(05-05-2023, 11:22 PM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ] (05-05-2023, 01:45 PM)Reverend Moon Immortal Wrote: [ -> ]…
As I was just saying to Billionaire and Bronski, people don't rationally understand the world, and most aren't even capable of processing or responding to rational arguments. He felt the way he did, then while mentally idling and buzzing around normalfag internet comes across a few shreds of this several times digested pulp and thinks "yeah that sounds about right". He did not think the world through and then come to this conclusion.
Again, convincing him of "something higher" would not be a rational process. He'd have to feel it. Then he can mentally frame it however he wants after the fact. Yes, brown social striver internet will have done horrible harm, but I have to wonder how much taste he could have formed. He's a call of duty and dead by daylight player. That's bleak.
And your comment on my comment, more of what I'm saying. This guy is not a thinker. If I can do anything for him it's pushing him into something he actually enjoys.
“God is dead, but where is Zarathustra, where are the prophets and poets, who shall deliver me from this misery?” Yet no one came.
On the subject of helping him, your 100% right about the rational thing.
Quote:“On the contrary, of course he is sentimental, and very likely he was unacquainted with that cowardly timidity of the younger writers of today at the signs of emotions, at the appearance of sensitivity! But he is also the opposite of sentimental, he is also a thinker, a scoffer, he is also a lonely Prometheus, aware of the impossibility of true understanding between human beings, enclosed in lonely greatness, cold crushingly severe.”
(This quote is about me, it didn’t really need to be added, just showing off)
The cause of his condition is an affliction of the heart, more then bad ideas. Although I would argue that man is still the rational animal, even if his first principle is unsound man must still find some semblance of order and connection, even if he uses the unknown to fill the gaps and name it something. But back to helping him, can he really be helped?
By his own claims he’s been to therapists, doctors, brown strivers(funny term—will appropriate—but at least when he was watching the content they were not brown) and he is even approached by internet wise men who out of their kindness share their self-gnosis which led them to salvation. I think he’s been told what I said above before, I remember him saying “I can’t just change my mindset like that.” Yes, the rational argument is useless. Most of his impressions are “bro just do this, bro just do that.” Advise is most definitely the last thing he needs. But what does he need is this godless age without prophets? An age where all the poets have had their tongues removed.
His salvation isn’t really in something he can enjoy—no—grace is a gift. He talked about how he understands he’s the only one who can help him, who can make a change. He’s talked about how he doesn’t believe in friendship, and from his descriptions of his past he is a man who has not known human kindness. How he’s never had a truly “deep” conversation with anyone, he’s never belonged with anyone. For who is Dbdr but an incel. The incel is he who has been rejected by mankind. The social animal rejected by the social, how tragic. He himself knows where his only salvation lay, with woman.
He must be shown tender love and understanding, he must be given what only a woman can offer, a return to paradise. Man embraces woman and returns to Adam, to paradise, to innocence. This is the only way the incel can be saved, the only way his heart can heal. No matter what you do you can’t win grace, because it’s a gift. Dbdr can’t save himself, there is nothing within his own power he can do, he needs someone to save him.
Dbdr is not one of the elect. He—by his nature—is bound to a different theology. This is on the wider phenomenon(I’m going to change this when I think of the right word), on the reality of our prophet-less age. Dbdr, his type, need a savior. They need a Christ like figure, they need Gods love. “But Dbdr goes to church every Sunday.” Yes, he knows The house of God is empty. But to get to the essence of it, God possesses the social element within him, as Feuerbach said—
Quote:“Without species, love is inconceivable. Love is nothing else than the self-consciousness of the species as evolved within the difference of sex. In love, the reality of the species, which otherwise is only a thing of reason, an object of mere thought, becomes a matter of feeling a truth of feeling; for in love, man declares himself unsatisfied in his individuality taken by itself, he postulates the existence of another as a need of the heart; he reckons another as part of his own being; he declares the life which he has through love to be the truly human life, corresponding to the idea of man, i.e., of the species. The individual is defective, imperfect, weak, needy; but love is strong, perfect, contented, free from wants, self-sufficing, infinite; because in it the self-consciousness of the individuality is the mysterious self- consciousness of the perfection of the race.”
Quote:“Hence intercourse ameliorates and elevates; involuntarily and without disguise, man is different in intercourse from what he is when alone. Love especially works wonders, and the love of the sexes most of all. Man and woman are the complement of each other, and thus united they first present the species, the perfect man.”
The only cure for loneliness is another to drive it away. In our triumph and hardship we run to another to share our burden, we communicate with them. Thus to cure an incel, don’t give him advice or something he can enjoy, give him a state-mandated GF.(this would be dysgenic)