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I've been observing this character who goes by 'dbdr' on youtube and discussing him with various people, some of whom are here and already know what I'm talking about. Several of the subjects that have been coming up in relation to this were just raised in the 'Looksmaxxing, etc' thread so I thought I'd make a thread to go into this with more focus here.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwX1MAR...V_g/videos

Rather than talking about specific videos and statements I'll just speak about him as a character. You can get a feel for his life by clicking through a few videos as the subjects interest you. He thinks out loud and tells stories rather than laying out theories and beliefs in a systematic fashion so there's no real right way to go about learning the story here.

Why I consider this character extremely interesting is that he sees himself as a failure, but I see him as an excellent example of the kind of person who is failed by our time. How this relates to inceldom and the blackpill is that in the other thread it was rightly pointed out that incel and blackpill communities get a kind of pleasure out of self-identifying as failures. This encourages people to think about themselves like dbdr does, with a bias that runs against themselves. The blackpill is supposedly about accepting painful truths, but I believe it runs into an opposite extreme and becomes a kind of inverse bluepill where people miss truths about the world because they can't bear anything that would reflect well upon themselves.

Much of the confusion around the subjects of blame and trauma and the effects of attempting to work through them is murkied by the fact that women and niggers got onto it. They are irresponsible and have no sense for truth mostly. Blaming forces outside of yourself for your problems is a very different thing depending on whether or not you are right. This guy would see himself far more clearly if he acknowledged the world's brutal prejudices of him and the failures of those who had power over him. He's half right with the blackpill on this. He rightly recognises that he doesn't have personality problems, women just despise him because he's ugly and weak-natured. But he can't see or bear the whole other side of the blackpill. The suffering in his life that he faces due to his virtues, rather than his failings or shortcomings.

This is the really hard part to accomplish. Especially in our time. It's the kind of thinking that will bring more criticism, contempt, and attempts at correction down upon your head than anything else you can dream up. The idea that you suffer because you are good. Taking these thoughts can grant incredible perspective. Very rare though. I think this rarity is proof that this is the real spiritual test that filters those who maintain themselves as disinherited aristocrats of the soul from the despair cultists who identify with their own felt decay.

This poor guy's self assessment is very fucked up on several points despite his ostensible devotion to truth and clear sight. A tendency which has catastrophic consequences for humanity is that sensitive people I believe are more likely to be biased against themselves than in favour. While with duller people it's the other way around. Nigger and woman demand JUSTICE when they're actually just shit. Brutalised nerd accepts that he was the problem all along no matter how hard life hurts him. The only people today who as classes of people confidently believe that their lot in life should be better are those who are already living far beyond what they deserve and can make good of. While this is happening those chronically reduced to a state of existence below what they deserve and could make good of naturally choose to quietly and peacefully "make good" of what life has dealt them and build identities and a community around their designated status as "losers", "failures" and "incels". 

Emotional labour is real. Just our society looks for it where it wants to distribute virtue status, not where quiet stress suffering is actually concentrated. 

dbdr considers himself rather stupid, but if you listen to him speak he's quite good at articulating himself and seems to possess stronger than average insight into the world around him. He raises miserable experiences and poor performance in school as proof against himself, it doesn't occur to this kind of person to raise this as proof against the world. I know several very intelligent people who were in some way labelled retarded by the school system and had their youths defined by that.  dbdr has had his life reduced to a completely miserable state, but he doesn't get mad. There's no sense of injustice when he speaks. He's just trying to "make good". He has, for now at least, been spiritually defeated. And one can see this streak running through the blackpill community. For the most part his comment sections are this low energy hugbox revolving around embracing failure and seeking peace through a lack of resistance in life.

I'll open this subject to the forum now. No definitive statements to make beyond this yet.

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(08-31-2022, 02:58 AM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]This is the really hard part to accomplish. Especially in our time. It's the kind of thinking that will bring more criticism, contempt, and attempts at correction down upon your head than anything else you can dream up. The idea that you suffer because you are good. Taking these thoughts can grant incredible perspective. Very rare though. I think this rarity is proof that this is the real spiritual test that filters those who maintain themselves as disinherited aristocrats of the soul from the despair cultists who identify with their own felt decay.
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This poor guy's self assessment is very fucked up on several points despite his ostensible devotion to truth and clear sight. A tendency which has catastrophic consequences for humanity is that sensitive people I believe are more likely to be biased against themselves than in favour.
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dbdr has had his life reduced to a completely miserable state, but he doesn't get mad. There's no sense of injustice when he speaks. He's just trying to "make good". He has, for now at least, been spiritually defeated. And one can see this streak running through the blackpill community.

People from the incel subculture either go in this direction, or in the opposite, as in 'it's all society's fault'. Frankly, I don't know which one is more pathetic, because it's either wallowing in misery and meaningless chest-pounding, acknowledging own faults that doesn't lead to any improvement or change; or refusal to perceive any need for a change because it's everyone else who's wrong and they're to blame.
I really cannot understand these people. I know you can be sad, get drunk, open the floodgates, complain to people you know, become depressed for one reason or another - but wallowing in it and actually building an identity around these actions and thought processes is something that should warrant expulsion from society at the very least, and physical removal at the worst. It's a quasi-religious cult of misery. Spiritually, they're modern 'skoptsy,' the russian sect who forced their members to castrate themselves. To me, they're no different than tranny groomers, because they also poison the minds of the young and vulnerable albeit in a different way, and any of their alleged virtues (critical thinking, introspection) are overshadowed by the poison they peddle.
I'm sick of their fucking whining. Sympathy for them is an insult to men who can live and work with their problems without being sniveling faggots.
the conceptual history of "inceldom" i find very interesting. honest coverage of the subject is kryptonite to the media, and all academic research on the matter is peppered with moralistic handwringing and lulzy digressions:
Quote:Growing up, I tussled with the anxieties of being perceived as 'too fat', 'too ginger', 'not smart enough', 'not good looking' and struggled to get the attention of those who I deemed to be above me on the social hierarchy. Feeling alienated from my peers, in conjunction with being bullied by others, meant that I, too, felt like hiding – and I certainly did. I entrenched myself within the confines of my bedroom playing online video games and browsing online chatrooms (the more graphic and disturbing, the better). I even briefly sought joy and bonded in misogyny, anonymously disrespecting women in online forums such as 4chan, in videogames and online chat groups. I felt frustrated at the hand I was dealt. Feeling alienated and lost, I uncritically perpetuated many of the discourses and worldviews that the Incels in this study display and fought back against those who I felt so alienated by – including women.
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I acknowledge my position as a cis-gendered, Pākehā, man from a working-class background, who has experienced and overcome many of the similar feelings that are espoused by Incel forum users. I also acknowledge my positionality as a pro-feminist academic, and the fundamental opposition that I hold concerning the "Red Pill" and "Black Pill" philosophies.

the only way to actually understand incel memes and folkways is to consult the communities themselves - the older the better, as their discourse ossified with the death of sluthate proper, and degraded into pure platitude with the death of lookism. diving into the archives you can see something rare and incredible - the formation of a culture ex nihilo. unlike "furries", "weebs", etc., incels had no pre-internet equivalent, nor any real-world figures who could be credited with devising their main talking points. it was a pure cry from the collective unconscious of a mass of frustrated men, shaped by a handful of intelligent posters (whose names have been lost to time) into a potent bottom-up #polemic.

i think it's precisely this distributed aspect of the incel ideology that results in internalized normie sadism or the "inverse bluepill" as you call it. because the "blackpill" is the product of a mass of people, most of whom couldn't help but internalize the norms of the society they grew up in, it's impossible for it to reach conclusions edgier than a piece of cardstock. you can only develop a real edge if you set yourself apart from society, and incels' constant bloviating about how subhuman and disgusting they are and how they wish they could fit in is proof they want the opposite, to integrate into society to the point of being unthinking. it all comes down to that boyd rice quote: “you have to want to be part of something in order to feel alienated from it.”

consider how many fundamentally dangerous things incels believe in that they declaw by loosing only on themselves. they believe human value is largely inborn, yet this never leads them to eugenics (except, in some cases, a stupid and inefficient kind directed towards themselves). they believe their pre-blackpill worldviews were "copes" driven by deep feelings of inferiority and resentment, yet they never turn this analysis towards society's "underprivileged groups". they believe society inculcates, values, and rewards transparently stupid behaviors, yet they can never bring themselves to acknowledge these things as stupid; having atypical values must be a "cope" or symptom of some dysfunction within themselves ("man, i wish i could switch bodies with a negro gangbanger" is a common train of thought on .is).

think of the "incel-sphere" as a taxidermy gallery and the "dissident-sphere" as a zoo full of live animals. inceldom superficially resembles an "on-ramp" to wrong-thought, but the underlying worldview - the flesh and bone of the belief - is so aggressively normopathic that deriving dissidence from it is like stuffing a tanned hide with meat and expecting it to animate and walk around.

* the incel community has always harbored two small-yet-influential minorities: low-iq wignat stormfags and people who would have been actual serial killers in a previous era
** dbdr is probably in the top 1% of incels in terms of intelligence and insight, most are like "normal people" in that they are incredibly stupid and  defer slavishly to the dictates of mass culture. viz. the per-capita prevalence of nigger-rap and nigger-anime in the media threads, seemingly for lack of awareness that other things exist
Incel ideology and memes are good for trolling pillgobbling establishment flakroasties but the understanding that women are trash shouldn't be the basis of your personality and worldview.
(08-31-2022, 04:42 AM)Chud Wrote: [ -> ]they believe society inculcates, values, and rewards transparently stupid behaviors, yet they can never bring themselves to acknowledge these things as stupid; having atypical values must be a "cope" or symptom of some dysfunction within themselves ("man, i wish i could switch bodies with a negro gangbanger" is a common train of thought on .is).

Good points that you and Anthony have brought up on this topic. I can attest to having had this psychology when I was younger. Critical of myself. I was ambivalent between not wanting to care so much about my stupid peers, not wanting to do drugs, have sex with whores, etc, and believing this to be a "cope" for my inability to make friends, have sex, etc.

There was some amount of truth in both views, I now realize. My lack of friends and popularity did in fact stem from certain personal weaknesses. Social anxiety, false belief that I was "looked down upon" in some way that I never was, a concern bordering on paranoia that my father would interfere in my relationships in some way. Yet, some vices prevent other vices. These things prevented me from interacting with degenerates, it was just that my inhibitions in this regard were beyond sufficient.

The idea that I was "coping" was a kind of projection of my weakness. Perhaps it was a method of obscuring the real issue, delaying the changes that I really had to make by focusing on changes such as "you should become a negro gangbanger" which are more fantastical distractions than truly held ideas - things that make me think "no, you couldn't possibly do that!" and so forestall me having to act.

(08-31-2022, 02:58 AM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]A tendency which has catastrophic consequences for humanity is that sensitive people I believe are more likely to be biased against themselves than in favour. While with duller people it's the other way around. Nigger and woman demand JUSTICE when they're actually just shit. Brutalised nerd accepts that he was the problem all along no matter how hard life hurts him.

This is true. In school, I noticed it to be an integral part of the social hierarchy - there were ugly popular people, and attractive unpopular people, but what made them popular or unpopular was self-confidence or self-criticism, which is often correlated to unintelligence and intelligence, respectively.

I don't know that it is catastrophic though. Especially in my youth, I would never have wished away my self-criticism. I gained many insights by it. I think the virtue here is to be self-critical and also critical of others. The reason this virtue is not "natural", I think, is that the criticism of the external world has historically been the responsibility of someone else; young men are to be critical of themselves according to a certain mentor or social tradition, and that mentor or social tradition would also instruct these self-critical young men as to how the external world should work, and what external conditions are acceptable and unacceptable. Lacking such a mentor or social tradition, as people do, one is left only with self-criticism and no source of judgement about external things.

Put simply, one is either in a position to learn or in a position to teach. It helps those who want to learn if they are critical of themselves and receptive to wisdom. Young intelligent people are disposed to this, but they don't actually receive any wisdom, so they tend to effetely criticize themselves and nothing else.
I think we may be expecting too much from someone who is essentially a zoomer normie. Yes, he uses incel terminology here and there (I hadn't heard of jestermaxxing before and that made me laugh) but he doesn't appear to have aspirations beyond being accepted by the people and society that torment him currently.
As Anthony suggests he doesn't seem to have a violent bone in his body and this meekishness from social outcasts doesn't sit well with me.
If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you scary.
It's hard to blame him and others for attaching themselves to the blackpill 'movement', it's the first place they find acceptance and like-minded people. And once you become a prominent member I imagine you find yourself sucked in more and more.
I wouldn't be surprised if the transgressiveness of his views ends there, I remember /r/braincels would routinely have a ‘Incels of all races need to stick together’ post. And the demographic and low energy of his comment section would appear to be of the same.
There are very young gifted men in a similar situation to him for which A’s original post stands very true and is regrettable. I just don’t see him as one of them.
Dbdr is a sub-5 as he says, and he has no talents. He's the kind of person who has eagerly tried all kinds of hobbies and has been terrible at all of them. He's a talentless, human-average warehouse grunt yet he has the mentality of a standard American chad. He longs for the things that come easily and naturally to the kind of person he isn't. This is a very bizarre type of man that must be historically peculiar and entirely new. He should be content to just work his grunt job and marry an ugly girl and just live out his life, hopefully being a decent person, maybe going to church. There's nothing wrong with being that type of person. I've encountered plenty of people just like him who know exactly what they are but aren't oin any way filled with angst about it. Rather they're not wont to ruminate about anything pertaining to their status and role in the world. That's what a man is supposed to be like. These are not in any way 'men.' Where do they come from?

This guy is identical to Eliot Rodger minus the penchant for violent revenge, which is to say he's basically a bad guy. He hates people and himself. This is something I can empathize with on some level, having been reared in the same abusive world of public schooling and insignificant culture, but to make a youtube channel about what a failure you are and how there's no hope for anyone but chad is incomprehensible. The comment section is a bleak place. These zoomers are utterly feminine, at once possessing the mentality of a 16 year old and the cynicism and hopelessness of a scorned 45 year old spinster. And they know all of this, very well in fact.

What makes these guys so miserable? Why do these guys even exist? Most of humanity is average to below, but they generally enjoy their simple, invisible lives. This new breed of angsty zoomers is nothing like their larger historical cohort. Why are they so disenchanted by the fact that they couldn't get dates in high school? Why are they so open about being socially awkward? Why are they so painfully socially inept? It makes no sense for these kinds of men to exist as they're mentally constructed. This guy in particular has had a few romantic prospects but he blew it each time because he's actually a manchild dickhead. He trashes his friends for having the audacity to not be redpilled, for being a normal human being who lives with a basic sense of hope.

I start to understand the impulse to ban certain types of content. But it might be things like 'the blackpill community'.. these grifters who articulate so well the usual (very quotidian) problems of social losers and extrapolate it to an apocalyptic issue. Whatever is enabling these types of guys to exist as they are, that is, to have the perspective they have, should probably be assessed. It's just so sad and dark, and there's nothing anyone can really do except suggest suicide.
Self improvement is very feasible, especially if you are 16 years old. Young guys have infinite potential that they could unleash if they worked very hard and had a good mentor. I could mentor a 16 year old me or even an ambitious introspective white guy who is not as smart as me into being a multimillionaire with a 10/10 wife etc. I hate that these hunchbacked vampires abuse their mediocre knowledge and experience to discourage and ruin the lives of younger men.
(09-04-2022, 02:50 PM)Trevor Bauer Wrote: [ -> ]Dbdr is a sub-5 as he says, and he has no talents. He's the kind of person who has eagerly tried all kinds of hobbies and has been terrible at all of them. He's a talentless, human-average warehouse grunt yet he has the mentality of a standard American chad. He longs for the things that come easily and naturally to the kind of person he isn't. This is a very bizarre type of man that must be historically peculiar and entirely new. He should be content to just work his grunt job and marry an ugly girl and just live out his life, hopefully being a decent person, maybe going to church. There's nothing wrong with being that type of person. I've encountered plenty of people just like him who know exactly what they are but aren't oin any way filled with angst about it. Rather they're not wont to ruminate about anything pertaining to their status and role in the world. That's what a man is supposed to be like. These are not in any way 'men.' Where do they come from?

If you listen to more of his stuff you can get a picture of exactly where this type of man comes from. And more importantly, what exactly he is. You're reading him wrong here and lapsing into baby monkey torture brain. He is ugly, more particularly, malformed. He talks about certain particular issues now and then, like how he grew up with a serious tongue-tie that wasn't cut when he was born, meaning he has a catastrophically formed palate and needed many years of unusual and painful orthodontic work to get to a level where he could just function without further work.

Judging from the things that go unquestioned in your post it seems plain you have a view of human nature and fate at least as rigid and pessimistic as that of the most hardcore blackpillers, only on top of that you're out of touch with the realities of being an unimpressive man. You have a few details of dbdr right, but it feels more like you have an already formed idea of what an incel is and want to vent against that to affirm your own understanding of the world, which seems formed more by necessity than observation. Which is to say, I think this post is actually a gigantic cope.

dbdr is working his grunt job. He is as close to content as he has been in living memory, and he does not aspire to much beyond this. He isn't asking to be Jeremy Meeks. I feel like if there's a single point being consistently worked at across his whole channel it's that he's merely aiming for this modest baseline existence you describe, if not significantly less, and life simply refuses to stop shitting on him in ways his grandparents could never even have imagined, let alone tolerated.

He is not stupid or talentless. The fact he ruminates, and articulately at that, is proof he is above the type you describe. Still, due to the misfortune of his face he is willing to accept a low lot. But he can't even have that. And the reasons why are clear to me and have been touched on in this thread already, see author's point on confidence and consciousness being a truer division of social success than appearance at lower levels. He is not "that type of person" who can just aim "realistically" low and have a pleasant coast through life. The attainable life you describe as his rightful place has done nothing but kick and spurn him from the beginning. He does not think he is too good for this. If he has a major character flaw it's that he refuses to believe he's too good for anything.

Quote:This guy is identical to Eliot Rodger minus the penchant for violent revenge, which is to say he's basically a bad guy. He hates people and himself. This is something I can empathize with on some level, having been reared in the same abusive world of public schooling and insignificant culture, but to make a youtube channel about what a failure you are and how there's no hope for anyone but chad is incomprehensible. The comment section is a bleak place. These zoomers are utterly feminine, at once possessing the mentality of a 16 year old and the cynicism and hopelessness of a scorned 45 year old spinster. And they know all of this, very well in fact.
He is not a general blackpill theorist. He doesn't tell anybody that it's over for anybody as a rule but himself. He'll say "it's so over for this guy" when describing a bald manlet 18 year old alcoholic he works with or whatever, but who's really peddling poisonous psychological cope if you disagree with that? I agree that the comment section and general blackpill community is not a good thing, but you're basically refusing to acknowledge the roots of any of this here, which is worse. You can't get through to these people without respecting where they're at. If you can listen to dbdr's life story and call him entitled these people would rightfully call you an out of touch faggot with no respect for the reality of their existence.

Quote:What makes these guys so miserable? Why do these guys even exist? Most of humanity is average to below, but they generally enjoy their simple, invisible lives. This new breed of angsty zoomers is nothing like their larger historical cohort. Why are they so disenchanted by the fact that they couldn't get dates in high school? Why are they so open about being socially awkward? Why are they so painfully socially inept? It makes no sense for these kinds of men to exist as they're mentally constructed. This guy in particular has had a few romantic prospects but he blew it each time because he's actually a manchild dickhead. He trashes his friends for having the audacity to not be redpilled, for being a normal human being who lives with a basic sense of hope.
You're conflating all unsuccessful people into one type. You're asking why neurotic burnouts with more delicate natures can't enjoy the modest existence of a 95IQ manual labourer. This is like an inversion of "learn to code". I know I tend to generalise in the direction of mainly describing the best of the burnouts, but I still consider this generally true for all. There's a level of humour, wit, and comfort with language in so much of this discourse that I'm inclined to see the general type as above the forklift-life.

They're disenchanted by the lack of dates in high school because they correctly read that they're basically never going to be integrated within the mainstream of social life, or what's left of it anyway. It's generally not just a little circumstantial "oh he said the wrong thing at the wrong time". There's a kind of social ant-smell normalfags can detect on you, if it's there even if you batter or fluke your way into an in state, you'll never be of these people. The normalfag stream of life gets more brutal and discerning all the time, and finding ones self outside of it can be quite a distressing thing. Not getting dates in high school is basically a failure to enter the social middle class.

dbdr did not have romantic prospects, and he did not "blow it". His life was blown for him well before he tried. Again, you have that spirit that's agreeable to normalfags or you don't. He doesn't, and he lacks the strength of character and will to be his own thing and potentially impress and make a place for himself that way either. Maybe because people like you never stop with your frankly retarded moralising at him.

Quote:I start to understand the impulse to ban certain types of content. But it might be things like 'the blackpill community'.. these grifters who articulate so well the usual (very quotidian) problems of social losers and extrapolate it to an apocalyptic issue. Whatever is enabling these types of guys to exist as they are, that is, to have the perspective they have, should probably be assessed. It's just so sad and dark, and there's nothing anyone can really do except suggest suicide.
Grifters? Where's the dbdr merch. I want a shirt. Fuck you idiot. What happens if the blackpill doesn't exist? Would less self awareness really help these people? We could channel it in more helpful and potent directions, sure, but you aren't proposing that. You're proposing we deny what's plainly in front of us because self awareness can do harm.

I leave comments under dbdr telling him to think more of himself and less of the world around him. What do you do?
Absolutely incredible new upload from this guy that I have to share. He got a warehouse job, and is putting his observational skills and curiosity about human character to incredible use there.




This is what a real ongoing social crisis looks like playing out. Or arguably several at once.
I think he said recently he was going to shave his head.

Also, looks like there's a few pictures of him if you google DBDR face reveal or go on his reddit - https://www.reddit.com/r/DBDR/

If it is in fact him he's no monstrosity, as expected.
The warehouse seems to be taking a toll. He is accelerating into Houllebecq territory.




The short gist of this video is that he believes it's over. And it's kind of hard to argue considering the state of society. He says that his life is working and coming home and he doesn't like it. How do you answer that? The normalfag answer is to order a person to care, but he simply doesn't. You can dismiss him as a moral failure for not being willing to pretend or fake it until he makes it, but this seems like the fate that awaits everyone sooner or later. You can have sex, play with toys, and aspire to the bug-standards of success that our society leaves open for you to aspire to but behind increasingly cruel and arbitrary demands.

This isn't a sexual blackpill channel. It's an everything blackpill channel. This guy doesn't enjoy life. He can't. Our society has been filtering more and more fine and particular types for decades now, but now increasingly normal men with increasingly modest expectations of the world are finding that the world has nothing for them. He says in this video, were it not for the channel he'd be just like countless men out there who live like this without being noticed at all, and he's right. How many people like this work in every warehouse, supermarket, etc?

This guy isn't a weirdo outlier. He's becoming something more like the voice of a generation.
I can’t imagine being “blackpilled” like that. Maybe if I was crippled or in prison. I honestly relate much more to the resident tranny who experiences deep romance and passion, enjoys art and computer science, and has financial and otherwise aspirations. Simply thinking and having deep insights is extremely pleasurable and meaningful to me. Why does he not get this enjoyment out of his supposedly deep insights? Seems like a gray souled NPC like lots of low IQ low testosterone people and nonwhites. I hope continuing to exercise and work on self-improvement stuff stimulates some blood flow to his brain.

No one is preventing you from engaging in violence. If everything else is truly gray to these people then why don’t they go to war with whoever they think is persecuting them? They are highly protective of their dull gray lives spent complaining and being miserable. This is their secret desire and they can’t change or realize this because being an incel is synonymous with losing one’s locus of control.

Btw if it’s hard to accumulate wealth and to get a better job than working in a warehouse, that’s THE GOVERNMENT’S fault (do I really need to explain why that is?). Not normalfags, society, Chads, brutes, insensitives, technology, etc. Blaming anything but the government is both victim blaming and low IQ. Of course someone with no locus of control would subconsciously defend the government though, the patron god of NPCs who want all of their problems solved by a mystic authority. The same goes for not being able to find a hot girlfriend.
(09-07-2022, 02:22 AM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]Absolutely incredible new upload from this guy that I have to share. He got a warehouse job, and is putting his observational skills and curiosity about human character to incredible use there.




This is what a real ongoing social crisis looks like playing out. Or arguably several at once.

The manager being a woman is almost too fitting. 70 years ago people probably would've thought that mid-level managerial functionaries would all be 115 IQ slightly aspergic men like dbdr. Instead it's all nannying, unfruitful women. Turns out mid-level bureaucratic positions select for agreeable, nebbish functionaries (women) moreso than technically competent analysts (men).
(10-18-2022, 06:07 PM)Wired Wrote: [ -> ]The manager being a woman is almost too fitting. 70 years ago people probably would've thought that mid-level managerial functionaries would all be 115 IQ slightly aspergic men like dbdr. Instead it's all nannying, unfruitful women. Turns out mid-level bureaucratic positions select for agreeable, nebbish functionaries (women) moreso than technically competent analysts (men).

In the last video he says all the girls working at the front make more money than him. Very funny since all they seem to do is loudly talk about how subhuman the warehouse guys are.
(10-18-2022, 06:55 PM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-18-2022, 06:07 PM)Wired Wrote: [ -> ]The manager being a woman is almost too fitting. 70 years ago people probably would've thought that mid-level managerial functionaries would all be 115 IQ slightly aspergic men like dbdr. Instead it's all nannying, unfruitful women. Turns out mid-level bureaucratic positions select for agreeable, nebbish functionaries (women) moreso than technically competent analysts (men).

In the last video he says all the girls working at the front make more money than him. Very funny since all they seem to do is loudly talk about how subhuman the warehouse guys are.

I'm reminded of those videos wherein affluent 22-year-old women show off their highly-paid do-nothing email jobs at some tech company in New York. This seems like a milder (likely more pervasive) instance of the same trend, just with fewer cereal bars and ping-pong tables. There's an absolute glut of superfluous jobs in modern societies and that's where women work. Society having no real place for you is one thing, but it must sting all the more when you see that it DOES have a place for women whose only "marketable skill" is monitoring water cooler talk for minute social infractions.
(10-18-2022, 07:17 PM)Wired Wrote: [ -> ]I'm reminded of those videos wherein affluent 22-year-old women show off their highly-paid do-nothing email jobs at some tech company in New York. This seems like a milder (likely more pervasive) instance of the same trend, just with fewer cereal bars and ping-pong tables. There's an absolute glut of superfluous jobs in modern societies and that's where women work. Society having no real place for you is one thing, but it must sting all the more when you see that it DOES have a place for women whose only "marketable skill" is monitoring water cooler talk for minute social infractions.

The jobs women get make it very plain that there are powerful people who do understand that jobs are human maintenance. The understand the idea of creating and maintaining jobs for people you want to take care of even if it's not perfectly efficient. The understand. Just they don't want to give these to you. They don't want to maintain you. They want to asphyxiate you so that you drop off and rot. Meanwhile donations to wikipedia go to black women with 20 youtube subscribers who make one lecture a year about decawluhneyezin history and science.
(10-18-2022, 08:05 PM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]The jobs women get make it very plain that there are powerful people who do understand that jobs are human maintenance. The understand the idea of creating and maintaining jobs for people you want to take care of even if it's not perfectly efficient. The understand. Just they don't want to give these to you. They don't want to maintain you. They want to asphyxiate you so that you drop off and rot. Meanwhile donations to wikipedia go to black women with 20 youtube subscribers who make one lecture a year about decawluhneyezin history and science.

dbdr is actually interesting in that he somewhat exemplifies the only acceptable (to those in polite society) attitude towards the crisis of aimless young men. Not only does he think its over, but he thinks its more or less his fault. According to normie moralists incels have only themselves to blame, and to suggest otherwise is dangerous rhetoric. If you're an incel, then it is entitlement to think you deserve any better, it is conspiratorial to notice the sociopolitical forces that created these conditions, and it would be a social transgression for someone to show you anything other than disdain.

MolaRam

Women Jobs seem to be at their core relatively cheap to a companies bottom line and without any sort of real consequences for failure or production goals. How many HR girls working in DIE seem to care if they hit whatever bullshit retention metrics or meetings goals they have? They aren't paid the big bucks for their mediocre efforts (I mean the Chicago whore who worked for Uber or one of those other bullshit jobs was only making 23 or so bucks an hour), but they are paid for their efforts. In times of real lean profits and a unbalanced balance sheet for an organization I would imagine they have roles that are designed to be jettisoned and slimmed down while they migrate to yet another do-nothing email job.
(10-18-2022, 09:18 PM)MolaRam Wrote: [ -> ]Women Jobs seem to be at their core relatively cheap to a companies bottom line and without any sort of real consequences for failure or production goals. How many HR girls working in DIE seem to care if they hit whatever bullshit retention metrics or meetings goals they have? They aren't paid the big bucks for their mediocre efforts (I mean the Chicago whore who worked for Uber or one of those other bullshit jobs was only making 23 or so bucks an hour), but they are paid for their efforts. In times of real lean profits and a unbalanced balance sheet for an organization I would imagine they have roles that are designed to be jettisoned and slimmed down while they migrate to yet another do-nothing email job.

It's not about the cost to companies. It's about the cost to societies. Japan understands this. This isn't a corporate question. It's a political one. The standards which create and enforce woman and nigger anti-jobs are government created and enforced. Look at how many companies go from lean autistic white male success machines, to bloated brown woman bureaucracies, to dead. Ruthless capitalism is a myth.

(10-18-2022, 08:58 PM)Wired Wrote: [ -> ]dbtr is actually interesting in that he somewhat exemplifies the only acceptable (to those in polite society) attitude towards the crisis of aimless young men. Not only does he think its over, but he thinks its more or less his fault. According to normie moralists incels have only themselves to blame, and to suggest otherwise is dangerous rhetoric. If you're an incel, then it is entitlement to think you deserve any better, it is conspiratorial to notice the sociopolitical forces that created these conditions, and it would be a social transgression for someone to show you anything other than disdain.

I'm glad that you understand the essential issue the same way I do. dbdr blames himself for things which are obviously not his fault and nature for things which were done by malevolent or incompetent people. I've actually gotten a couple of replies from him in comments trying to suggest this to him. It just kind of... bounces off. The conditioning is insanely strong here.
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