(12-04-2022, 01:45 PM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ]Thus, the 'answer' to the JQ becomes conditional on the broader political project under consideration. I believe the Fuentes/AF variant of the JQ is positioned between [a),b), and c] - with the answer being either conversion or expulsion.
You're giving them too much credit. The only things AF 'groidpers universally agree on are:
1) slavish deference to Fuentes
2) an inoffensive agglomeration of "based" and "trad" and "right-wing" signifiers what are self-evidently true and good because ummm they just
are okay.
They don't argue about other matters of "ideology" because they don't have much going on up there.
Nickers disparagingly call BAP a "Zionist" in the same way they call K / Lindy Observer a "nihilist". "This loser's a mofuggin' nihilist!" They can't explain why K's "nihilism" is bad, let alone comprehend what life-experiences led him to think that way. They saw a meme where the Mommy E-Thot Wojak said "are you really gonna reject nihilism and live a fulfilling life on the heckin' homesteaderino?" and the Yes-Chad said "Yes" and rested his forearm on his dour-faced sundressed tradwife's bosom, and that was that, nihilism forever BTFO.
The AF-sphere is a cumrag caked with the memetic emissions of more highbrow RW cultures. A stain of normiecon televangelism, a dab of Moonman Garrison name-them infographery, and to keep the whole thing rigid, a fat gob of tradcath yes-Chad rhetoric. These people are pure "memetic progeny". Their mental lives are dictated by canned phrases to an extent the average Amarnite can't appreciate.
(12-04-2022, 01:45 PM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ]So who stands to gain from this? Principally nationalist 'Christian' 'anti-semites' from the lowest stratum of society. These are the kids and young adults that grew up watching Marvel movies, blasted Yeezus concurrent to making nigger jokes during Call of Duty matches on Xbox Live. As a group, they are typically southern, and have a marked predisposition towards emotive rants about woke culture. Additionally, they maintain a vague attachment to Christianity as a counter-culture identity. They tend towards a poor understanding of the faith, and possess a pronounced tendency towards vulgarity. Their consideration of the JQ is vague, and often poorly reasoned. Such things serve mostly as shibboleth - their disdain of trannies/gays/niggers is likewise often performative; much of it stemming from a sense of political victimization at the hands of such groups. Their political trajectories have been oriented by influencers popularized during Gamergate and MAGA.
I think 'groidpers are a distinct group from "sub-chuds" of the sort you're talking about here. A boy on the "Casual racism - Xbox-Live gamer-word bacchanalia - SJWs owned compilation" axis can drift one of three ways:
1) Becoming a "sub-chud" or (if intelligent enough) chud proper
2) "Hyper-correcting" the other way to become an irony hicklib or (if deviant enough) CCAN-adjacent kweer
3) "Growing out" of crude chuddery as his passions cool with age; perhaps looking back on it with some embarrassment
'Groidpers don't really fit into any of this. I think they're best profiled by making parallels to an analogous group: the Hazites / MAGA-Communists.
I imagine the modal 'groidper, like the modal Hazite, to be a second-generation non-white immigrant to the US. The 'groidper tends towards Mestizo, Southeast Asian, or (the lower strata of) Subcon, while the Hazite usually belongs to a more successful Asian or Middle-Eastern diaspora. He grew up with a "hyper-American" goyslop media environment, but doesn't feel
of his nation on account of his foreign blood, nor of his family's nation of origin on account of his lack of received tradition. For this reason, he promulgates a synthetic "American identity" based on a conveniently inclusive form of exclusion: anti-Semitism for the 'groidper, anti-WASP / "ruling class" rhetoric for the Hazite. That these "American identities" center around the two biggest cultural bugbears in American history - Roman Catholicism and Soviet Communism - has some significance that isn't immediately clear to me.
The ('groidper | Hazite) makes hard religious-conservative concessions to give an air of hard-assery and "having their shit together", and to differentiate themselves from other (Latinos4Trump | college Marxists). 'Groidpers are attracted to e-Catholicism's rich tradition of purity-spiralling and hysterical condemnation. In re-orienting their identities towards the group, cradle Catholics "get to" pin that part of themselves back on with an added BASED-factor, whereas 'groidpers of other denominations (or even other religions) often slough off their old faiths entirely. Hazites are more ecumenical on account of their internationalism, so their application of religion is scattershot compared to the laser lens of e-Cath casuistry; nonetheless, both groups view faith as basically the same thing, an otherworldly source of "rootedness" and BASED-affirmations.
Of course, Not All 'Groidpers Are Like That - a disproportionately influential minority are "converts" from older, predominantly white tradcath cultures, or individuals bordering on BAPist-Nietzschean who nonetheless have religious objections to taking those ideas to their conclusion - but I think this psycho-profile describes a sizable chunk of the AF membership. At the very least, the actions of the AF collective make sense if you look at them with this eigen-member in mind.
(12-04-2022, 01:45 PM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ]Having been deplatformed, Kanye may easily be persuaded to make a serious investment in Cozy.tv. Though Fuentes may be loathe to grift a personal hero, it will present as a natural opportunity. There is a tail-risk that the increased attention/profile could backfire, and bring down kiwifarms-tier constant DDoS attacks on the site. Furthermore, without advertising to support to the project, Cozy.tv has rather limited scalability.
Perhaps it's my self-loathing streak, but I tend to assume that if a "great person" associates with you, it's a more likely sign of their descent than your ascent. The benefit to AF is unintentional and almost vampiric, like a bunch of hobos standing around a flaming car wreck for warmth.