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There's been some enjoyable and lively discussion in the shoutbox on questions of human appearance. How we and others feel and talk about it, and how certain individuals look. All such discussion and sharing is welcome in this thread.

https://twitter.com/Isbara11/status/1603..._wvhg&s=33

The above clip was relevant for several reasons. Firstly the display of the horrific degeneration of Americans, but secondly, the striking physical aspect of the doctor.



What a deeply and utterly serious looking man. He is heavy set. He is bald. These traits are a "dysgenic bad fyseek" strikeout on paper, but just look at him. Nobody's immediate reaction to this man will be to not take him seriously. All right, we're rolling. Now please everyone take this thread whichever direction you like.

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Despite being fat and having a representation of being one of the nerdiest among the Silicon Valley pantheon, Wozniak projects a very enviable quality. Maybe it's the smile lines and beard, but he projects a sense of totally unvarnished "earnestness" if that description makes any sense.

(02-24-2023, 09:40 PM)carcinoEugenicist Wrote: [ -> ][img][/img]

Despite being fat and having a representation of being one of the nerdiest among the Silicon Valley pantheon, Wozniak projects a very enviable quality. Maybe it's the smile lines and beard, but he projects a sense of totally unvarnished "earnestness" if that description makes any sense.

Wellesian aspect. Men used to be able to get fat while still looking human. It's a few different things. The face is more developed than the standard of today, the beard is better formed, the hair on top is intact. Even the outright obese of the past looked much better than those of today. I believe this is because the foundations of the person (height, face, frame) were better as a baseline, and also the foods were real. Old timey obese people ate a lot of real food and gained mass that way, they didn't suffer extreme adverse chemical reactions to hyper processed corn syrups and rancid seed oils and whatever the hell else it is we're doing to ourselves today. People used to build and carry fit differently, it's very obvious.



William Taft looked more human and presentable than most people alive today.

Lindyman a.k.a. Paul Skallas. A reputation garnered for the somewhat exceptional quality of his thoughts. Supposedly a man of insight, or at least an expert in recognizing insight from the past.


Lindyman a.k.a. Paul Skallas. A man known for the somewhat exceptional quality of his thoughts. Someone with insight, or at least good at recognizing insight from the past.

He often looks as if he simply isn't present. Old and young at the same time. A teenager cast into the role of a hardboiled character. He's tired, and he doesn't want to be here. He looks lost. I can imagine him in some New Wave film, long shots where he wanders through those Mediterranean cities he so idealizes, tries to talk to women, gets ignored. Un homme qui dort but he fixed his life. It feels the same.



There's much one can say about the appearance of intelligence in a person's eyes. I don't know, he doesn't look that dumb. I can't say I know the appearance of genius either. He doesn't look like someone who should be concerned with wisdom at all, is the thing. He was someone's Dad, someone's neighbor, someone's acquaintance. He's an everyman, an American of the future. He's in a self-aware neo-noir flick. He's the next protagonist of True Detective.

He represents a prevalent type of man on the right. I feel like I've seen a few clones of him around. He grooms himself well, and yet it's obvious - somehow he looks like he rushed everything. He got out of bed late. "What more do you want?"

Gloomy incidental music follows him, mallets playing slow chromatic riffs. He sees some teenagers laughing and running by, turns to raise his eyebrow. He gets out plenty, yet the Sun still hurts his eyes. He has to squint. 

The lack of intelligence in the eyes isn't as pronounced as it seems at first glance. He's not completely stupid. But he looks lost. A tired man, somehow old and young at once. A teenager cast into the role of a hardboiled character. There is a kind of absent-mindedness in every picture of him.

(02-24-2023, 10:07 PM)JF_ Wrote: [ -> ]Lindyman a.k.a. Paul Skallas. A man known for the somewhat exceptional quality of his thoughts. Someone with insight, or at least good at recognizing insight from the past.

He often looks as if he simply isn't present. Old and young at the same time. A teenager cast into the role of a hardboiled character. He's tired, and he doesn't want to be here. He looks lost. I can imagine him in some New Wave film, long shots where he wanders through those Mediterranean cities he so idealizes, tries to talk to women, gets ignored. Un homme qui dort but he fixed his life. It feels the same.



There's much one can say about the appearance of intelligence in a person's eyes. I don't know, he doesn't look that dumb. I can't say I know the appearance of genius either. He doesn't look like someone who should be concerned with wisdom at all, is the thing. He was someone's Dad, someone's neighbor, someone's acquaintance. He's an everyman, an American of the future. He's in a self-aware neo-noir flick. He's the next protagonist of True Detective.

He represents a prevalent type of man on the right. I feel like I've seen a few clones of him around. He grooms himself well, and yet it's obvious - somehow he looks like he rushed everything. He got out of bed late. "What more do you want?"

Gloomy incidental music follows him, mallets playing slow chromatic riffs. He sees some teenagers laughing and running by, turns to raise his eyebrow. He gets out plenty, yet the Sun still hurts his eyes. He has to squint. 

This may sound harsh, but he's always reminded me of ralphthemoviemaker from youtube.



Impossible to find a picture of this guy where he doesn't look like a prematurely aged teenager. Youtube "film guy" who never grew out of imdbcore. Similar Americanised Southern European face. Hereditary skull-density off-setting some of the damage of American boneless pudding face syndrome. Physique tending towards American shapelessness but with a bit of peasant-broadness left in the frame to prevent a total collapse. They both look halfway into their transition into monsters, or American Yharnamites. Skallas is clearly more comfortable dressing like an adult, and living like one. He has more of a lost man's face, in contrast to Ralph's lost teenager one, but they both look like they aren't turning out right.

Skallas does not look dumb. Lost, as you say. Ralph, unfortunately, does look a bit dumb. Warehouse-bound. The kind of dumb that could and does function perfectly well in the kind of functional culture America used to be but isn't anymore.

What really interests me about Ralph is that there's a complete softening appearance to him which runs far beyond the superficial, and which I believe is an accurate representation of the state of his character and being. These guys came from Europe, their ancestors were human, now contact with America, the biosphere, the food, the social sphere and environment, it's changing them entirely. Yes, the food makes you fat, but I also believe that being made to live like an American makes you spiritually and mentally a soft mush-brained monster. Looking at Ralph I get the strong impression his grandfather would likely have had a very strong face. He has inherited a big Southern Italian skull, but now America has put a shapeless uncritical putty-face on it. Skallas is physically and spiritually a man in the same boat but doing better. His face has some harder edges left, and his online persona is defined by awareness of and resistance to all of this.

Great thread topic. Nothing much to add than that acutely proper expression, character of communication, and tasteful dress are the primary factors that lend real gravity to people. Male bimbo actors with the "perfect" features that websites like Lookism lend priority of focus towards are largely performing clown faggots. It's not that handsome young men can't be admirable people, but that noble behavior is a prerequisite buoy.

Nonetheless, beauty should be taken as a desirable trait in itself. Types of generally lesser physical beauty always seem to pale in almost every other admirable regard to others.

(02-25-2023, 02:12 AM)GraphWalkWithMe Wrote: [ -> ]Great thread topic. Nothing much to add than that acutely proper expression, character of communication, and tasteful dress are the primary factors that lend real gravity to people. Male bimbo actors with the "perfect" features that websites like Lookism lend priority of focus towards are largely performing clown faggots. It's not that handsome young men can't be admirable people, but that noble behavior is a prerequisite buoy.

Nonetheless, beauty should be taken as a desirable trait in itself. Types of generally lesser physical beauty always seem to pale in almost every other admirable regard to others.

Sort of related to the classical obesity question, classical baldness. This man is built differently, but also carries himself differently. As you say, character of communication. There are obvious details like accents and enunciation we can point at, at some point it all comes together and creates a completely different kind of person.



I think that speech could be considered an element of physical aspect. And I might link some stuff on that later. I'm interested in how you can hear people getting dumber over time through television clips.

I study modern military history and hence see many photos of various men and women I think this thread would benefit from studying. I will submit to you 4 men 2 American and 2 German all decorated soldiers for your perusal. Apologizes for any novice analysis on my part.



Then U.S. Army Spc. 4 Mike R. Vining served with the 99th Ordnance Detachment (Explosive Ordnance Disposal) in Phuoc Vinh, Vietnam[1970]"



His retirement photo November of 1998.

Mike Vining became something of a meme on military social media he looks like your dad has that dweebish guy with glasses look but if you decode his ribbion's they show a professional with the career and citations you would expect from a founding member of Delta Force. His face and the sense of bearing in the photos have always given me one feeling-hes  a ideal American just like the ideal meal is apple pie.

Another from Vietnam



"Army Staff Sgt. Joe Ronnie Hooper, left, wears his Medal of Honor beside two other recipients...at the White House, March 7, 1969."

His retirement photo taken in 1974(could not find the month or more info beyond that)


It is said "no man in the history of American international combat is reputed to have received more decorations than one Staff Sergeant Joe R. Hooper." I bet before my post most users of this forum will not have heard of him. This is of course because he fought in Nam he knew this saying in 1977 “It's sort of like the war itself,” “So many people wanted to forget it when I was fighting it. Why should they want to remember us now?”. On his physical type his smile is not like Vining's to say the least. His retirement photo feel like someone took a photo of a pained cartoon. He shows another kind of American-the great worker with endless energy and daring awarded-then forgotten.

Now on to the Germanic warriors firstly Christian Tychsen


"Russia, April/May 1943, II./ SS-Pz.Rgt. 2 of the SS Division "Das Reich", Knight's Cross awarded on March 31, 1943"



He looked like a viking come to life. Wounded at least 9 times over all he would be awarded the Knight's cross in 43 for bravery during the Kharkov advance and then he would be the 353rd man to be rewarded the Knight's cross with oak leaves for his actions in November of 1943 wherein with just 5 tanks he would break through enemy lines take out two of 3 enemy tanks and battle until the next day when reinforcements arrived to secure his unit's flank. He would however die in Normandy in July of 1944 after being captured by US forces. His bearing is totally different to the two American soldiers above his shape not unlike the grinning skulls beloved by the SS and their Prussian forbears.

The last man I wish to cover is likely at this point the most famous of all the men I have covered.





Now the reason I bring up someone who has been reduced to a meme infamous on a level that is not approaching but is mythical well look at him. This man a decorated great war veteran turned doctor of political science turned prisoner for statutory rape of 14 year old girl turned leader of a unit of 300 poachers turned a man of such nature his men did not believe he had died but instead had moved to Egypt is clearly vampiric. And yet met unbridled success with the leadership of a organization that has yet no equal in its dedication to phenotype after the war. Fascinating.

(02-27-2023, 03:59 AM)GraphWalkWithMe Wrote: [ -> ]That second photo of Hooper really is caricaturish. Grimace fully baring both rows of teeth, Pentagram necklace on lurid central display between all the medals. If he was the most prolific American combat veteran in Vietnam it's impossible he didn't see some horrible shit. Given its image quality I'd be surprised if the photo hadn't been widely employed as Leftist propaganda, but to your point I've never heard of him.

I wish to quote from a army blog post on him for a series known as Medal of Honor Monday(I suggest reading as it summarizes the action he took to get the most treasured of medals in America which is a amazing story)

https://www.defense.gov/News/Feature-Sto...ie-hooper/ Wrote:He's known as one of the most decorated soldiers of the Vietnam War, having earned 37 medals, including two Silver Stars, six Bronze Stars and eight Purple Hearts. The Army also credited him with killing 115 North Vietnamese fighters.

And in addition this from a civilian roll of honor website

https://militaryhallofhonor.com/honoree-....php?id=56 Wrote:Captain Joe R. Hooper holds a place with Sergeant Alvin York and First Lieutenant Audie Murphy (major in Texas National Guard) as one of the most decorated soldiers in U.S. Army history. He remains the one of the most decorated soldiers of the Vietnam War.

But unlike the two soldiers mentioned he is like a ghost, not even exploited by the left nor used as a banner man of patriotism. Just noted for his place on the rolls with occasional passersby who have studied that era and go "What a shame hippies have damped history." In this aspect and per the thread's subject his physical type he is emblematic of modern America. Especially if you see photos of him of what turned out to be late in his life





[From Looking for a Hero:Staff Sergeant Joe Ronnie Hooper and the Vietnam War]

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Who has experience with this phenotype? Please share if so.

(02-27-2023, 04:54 PM)JF_ Wrote: [ -> ]





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Who has experience with this phenotype? Please share if so.

Alpine race.

Forgive me for making you go to Twitter to watch this video, but pictures weren't doing this point justice. Been seeing this guy around and I think he has some very interesting looks. Obviously just from his speech alone he's a fairly introspective, reflective type of guy. People like this having no narrative besides failed normalfaggotry strikes me as a profound failure of the creative side of society, the arts should be natural path for these types but unfortunately they are utterly colonized by normism so it's no longer a meaningful escape. I do have to wonder how much the issue is that he is "ugly", because I bet most people like him reject advice that could hel0 them pass into normalfagism. The fact is they can probably recognize the strangeness or otherness about themselves, physically and mentally, and they know they aren't supposed to be normals, yet there are so contained by normcore reality and consensus they are crushed by it.

(02-24-2023, 11:03 PM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-24-2023, 10:07 PM)JF_ Wrote: [ -> ]Lindyman a.k.a. Paul Skallas. A man known for the somewhat exceptional quality of his thoughts. Someone with insight, or at least good at recognizing insight from the past.

He often looks as if he simply isn't present. Old and young at the same time. A teenager cast into the role of a hardboiled character. He's tired, and he doesn't want to be here. He looks lost. I can imagine him in some New Wave film, long shots where he wanders through those Mediterranean cities he so idealizes, tries to talk to women, gets ignored. Un homme qui dort but he fixed his life. It feels the same.



There's much one can say about the appearance of intelligence in a person's eyes. I don't know, he doesn't look that dumb. I can't say I know the appearance of genius either. He doesn't look like someone who should be concerned with wisdom at all, is the thing. He was someone's Dad, someone's neighbor, someone's acquaintance. He's an everyman, an American of the future. He's in a self-aware neo-noir flick. He's the next protagonist of True Detective.

He represents a prevalent type of man on the right. I feel like I've seen a few clones of him around. He grooms himself well, and yet it's obvious - somehow he looks like he rushed everything. He got out of bed late. "What more do you want?"

Gloomy incidental music follows him, mallets playing slow chromatic riffs. He sees some teenagers laughing and running by, turns to raise his eyebrow. He gets out plenty, yet the Sun still hurts his eyes. He has to squint. 

This may sound harsh, but he's always reminded me of ralphthemoviemaker from youtube.



Impossible to find a picture of this guy where he doesn't look like a prematurely aged teenager. Youtube "film guy" who never grew out of imdbcore. Similar Americanised Southern European face. Hereditary skull-density off-setting some of the damage of American boneless pudding face syndrome. Physique tending towards American shapelessness but with a bit of peasant-broadness left in the frame to prevent a total collapse. They both look halfway into their transition into monsters, or American Yharnamites. Skallas is clearly more comfortable dressing like an adult, and living like one. He has more of a lost man's face, in contrast to Ralph's lost teenager one, but they both look like they aren't turning out right.

Skallas does not look dumb. Lost, as you say. Ralph, unfortunately, does look a bit dumb. Warehouse-bound. The kind of dumb that could and does function perfectly well in the kind of functional culture America used to be but isn't anymore.

What really interests me about Ralph is that there's a complete softening appearance to him which runs far beyond the superficial, and which I believe is an accurate representation of the state of his character and being. These guys came from Europe, their ancestors were human, now contact with America, the biosphere, the food, the social sphere and environment, it's changing them entirely. Yes, the food makes you fat, but I also believe that being made to live like an American makes you spiritually and mentally a soft mush-brained monster. Looking at Ralph I get the strong impression his grandfather would likely have had a very strong face. He has inherited a big Southern Italian skull, but now America has put a shapeless uncritical putty-face on it. Skallas is physically and spiritually a man in the same boat but doing better. His face has some harder edges left, and his online persona is defined by awareness of and resistance to all of this.

“Ahh a fellow Sepehead”
But regarding his appearance I would like to point to his great uncle, Angelo Sepe:
(https://www.reddit.com/r/Mafia/comments/...unge_crew/)
His uncle was in fact a real mob character who was renamed as Frankie Carbone in Goodfellas. I remember when Ralph himself admitted this on the heavensite and I couldn’t help but notice just how pudgy he looks in comparison.
Ralph is also an annoying libtard, more so now that he graduated from film school; alongside that, the guy thinks he has the face to be an actor when he looks eternally 14 (not the good SYM eternal youth kind)

I will say, Skallas has that weird wide-head but doesn’t look as weird as Ralph for sure.

(04-08-2023, 12:39 AM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]“Ahh a fellow Sepehead”
But regarding his appearance I would like to point to his great uncle, Angelo Sepe:
(https://www.reddit.com/r/Mafia/comments/...unge_crew/)
His uncle was in fact a real mob character who was renamed as Frankie Carbone in Goodfellas. I remember when Ralph himself admitted this on the heavensite and I couldn’t help but notice just how pudgy he looks in comparison.
Ralph is also an annoying libtard, more so now that he graduated from film school; alongside that, the guy thinks he has the face to be an actor when he looks eternally 14 (not the good SYM eternal youth kind)

I will say, Skallas has that weird wide-head but doesn’t look as weird as Ralph for sure.

Now that's interesting. Angelo has that kind of angular, pointed, Vincent Gallo mandible shape, but the full head is more neanderthal leaning. That's a very tall and bony skull. The features are a bit too full and fleshy on such a bony face for Angelo to be called handsome, but he looks far more normal. He looks like a man. Not a weird grotesque child-thing.

I was not aware of this connection. Thanks for sharing. Including the picture in this post for quick reference.

(04-08-2023, 01:24 AM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-08-2023, 12:39 AM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]“Ahh a fellow Sepehead”
But regarding his appearance I would like to point to his great uncle, Angelo Sepe:
(https://www.reddit.com/r/Mafia/comments/...unge_crew/)
His uncle was in fact a real mob character who was renamed as Frankie Carbone in Goodfellas. I remember when Ralph himself admitted this on the heavensite and I couldn’t help but notice just how pudgy he looks in comparison.
Ralph is also an annoying libtard, more so now that he graduated from film school; alongside that, the guy thinks he has the face to be an actor when he looks eternally 14 (not the good SYM eternal youth kind)

I will say, Skallas has that weird wide-head but doesn’t look as weird as Ralph for sure.

Now that's interesting. Angelo has that kind of angular, pointed, Vincent Gallo mandible shape, but the full head is more neanderthal leaning. That's a very tall and bony skull. The features are a bit too full and fleshy on such a bony face for Angelo to be called handsome, but he looks far more normal. He looks like a man. Not a weird grotesque child-thing.

I was not aware of this connection. Thanks for sharing. Including the picture in this post for quick reference.

In my opinion, he looks like a less attractive Jimmy Caan. Here's a photograph with facial hair. But it goes to show the stark difference between the 1st/2nd gen Italian/Euro Ethnic (who looks much whiter as well) and the 4th/5th gen Italian/Euro ethnic. A normal male vs some type of latinx baby creature with weird facial hair.  
https://twitter.com/ralphsepe/status/963...72/photo/1

(04-08-2023, 07:34 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]In my opinion, he looks like a less attractive Jimmy Caan. Here's a photograph with facial hair. But it goes to show the stark difference between the 1st/2nd gen Italian/Euro Ethnic (who looks much whiter as well) and the 4th/5th gen Italian/Euro ethnic. A normal male vs some type of latinx baby creature with weird facial hair.  
https://twitter.com/ralphsepe/status/963...72/photo/1

Ahahaha, yes. The double-hit of baby face and racial transmogrification. The transmogrification is a distinctly American thing I believe, but facial weakness is everywhere. Jonathan Bowden liked talking about this. How people used to never smile in photos, in addition to have far more defined and finished faces. I believe there's a connection. Doesn't seem at all a stretch to suggest that soft, nonsensical, yielding first world insect-people culture obliterates your hormone profile.

(02-27-2023, 12:55 AM)NuclearAbsolutist Wrote: [ -> ]I study modern military history and hence see many photos of various men and women I think this thread would benefit from studying. ...

Many great posts in this thread, and this was the greatest. Astonishing examples.

Especially on Twitter, the mention of physiognomy is always tied to politics, i.e. "our guy looks cool, your guy looks weird". I don't want to deny that such commonalities can be found, or that the appearance betrays much of the inner workings of a person. However, it pays to remind yourself of the limits of photography. The best picture in the world cannot display the presence that a man has in the flesh. Handsome actors who impress with their great posture and attentive gaze can appear wholly unremarkable when you see them out their element.

I think the pictures in NA's post show impressively how hard it is to guess a life history from a photo. I would bring up Neall Ellis as an example as well, he looks like a stereotypical suburban boomer.



Another one is this man:



If I had to guess, I would say that his face reminds me of every janitor I have ever met. In reality, this is Ueli Steck, maybe the most impressive Alpinist that ever lived. Not sure how I would expect such a man to look, but probably not like this.

There are also examples of handsome leftists, who sometimes even have impressive biographies. Most prominently I would point to Fidel and Guevara. If we fall for some simplified theory of "bad ideology makes ugly people", this could not be true. I don't think I have a point that goes any deeper than this. Physiognomy is an emergent property of the interaction of many complicated systems, and oversimplification is a common mistake when discussing it.

(04-09-2023, 03:08 PM)Hamamelis Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-27-2023, 12:55 AM)NuclearAbsolutist Wrote: [ -> ]I study modern military history and hence see many photos of various men and women I think this thread would benefit from studying. ...

There are also examples of handsome leftists, who sometimes even have impressive biographies. Most prominently I would point to Fidel and Guevara. If we fall for some simplified theory of "bad ideology makes ugly people", this could not be true. I don't think I have a point that goes any deeper than this. Physiognomy is an emergent property of the interaction of many complicated systems, and oversimplification is a common mistake when discussing it.

Valid point, I don't think bad ideology makes people ugly per se, but leftist morality definitely tends to turn things ugly from the resulting spiritual confusion. Even when leftists are physically good looking, their lives are usually absurd. In that regard, there is also definitely a gradient of decline from leftoid revolutionaries of previous centuries to the modern left, but at no point have they been aesthetically superior to their contemporaries.

(04-10-2023, 06:39 PM)turnip Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-09-2023, 03:08 PM)Hamamelis Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-27-2023, 12:55 AM)NuclearAbsolutist Wrote: [ -> ]I study modern military history and hence see many photos of various men and women I think this thread would benefit from studying. ...

There are also examples of handsome leftists, who sometimes even have impressive biographies. Most prominently I would point to Fidel and Guevara. If we fall for some simplified theory of "bad ideology makes ugly people", this could not be true. I don't think I have a point that goes any deeper than this. Physiognomy is an emergent property of the interaction of many complicated systems, and oversimplification is a common mistake when discussing it.

Valid point, I don't think bad ideology makes people ugly per se, but leftist morality definitely tends to turn things ugly from the resulting spiritual confusion. Even when leftists are physically good looking, their lives are usually absurd. In that regard, there is also definitely a gradient of decline from leftoid revolutionaries of previous centuries to the modern left, but at no point have they been aesthetically superior to their contemporaries.

Much has to be given to the nature of the camera. It doesn't capture reality. Pictures are media in all senses. Appearance can only be judged in face-to-face settings. There is something in the eyes that is utterly disgusting in many who otherwise look normal or even good in photos and on video. And vice-versa, you can find those who don't capture well but might be striking in person for strange, untraceable reasons.

This is very unscientific and very abusable however. As many uglies will say "But I have this invisible beauty." This is unfortunate, but I still believe that the idea is true.

As an aside, compare a photo of a work of art versus seeing it in person. A similar phenomenon.