The Internet is Real and I am Mentally Ill
(03-07-2023, 06:28 PM)JF_ Wrote: [ -> ]The title of this thread is an old post by Niccolo Salo, founder of "Salo Forum", which many of you are acquainted with. I intend to dissect this notion, so common among Millennials, but also younger people from what I've seen, that "the internet is not real life" and therefore its significance is incommensurable.
Probably the worst thing Gen X - Millennials have done, but faillennials especially since they were (discounting Xennials, who tend to do it more often due to generational insecurity) born online. I consider this to be a form of race traitorism, trying to limp back into normalfaggotry (something that if you are in this position, has long since been denied to you) and "beg for forgiveness" from the great (imagined) Normal One Havers (fake & gay).
(03-07-2023, 06:28 PM)JF_ Wrote: [ -> ]The second point still holds weight for me, I can't think of a disagreement, but I think it betrays a barbaric perspective. The first point is something I am less confident about after prolonged internet usage. It is fairly easy for a moderately skilled individual to get extensive personal information about you, especially if you are a normal social media user. I suspect this is more true in the present day than ever before.
This is actually not true. Back in tha days of GeoCities n' Angelfire Boomers (as well as many younger people, because they'd set the tone) would post their name, home address with phone number, sometimes photos of themselves... I've never seen more reckless posting (Boomers generally are king of this, even now), but the zenith of doxing was probably around Web 2.0 (mid to late '00s), mainly because Google had not yet become "woke" (completely FUBAR). In Web 2.0 it was easier to dox people because of unprecedented accuracy in search results combined with emerging social media sites with many people adopting consistent usernames or other trackable information. Technically, you're probably right that there is far more personal information online now, but my point is that after Google got ZOG'd it destroyed search result accuracy (I know there are other search engines, there have been forever, but I believe Google was actually able to damage search results for everyone due to their dominion of the web), meaning all that personal information exists online the way it does 'in reality'— as completely decentralized information, unlike in the past, where simply spelling someone's username properly in Google would get you an itemized rollout of nearly their entire internet history.
This is also why ZOG (? Big Troon??) is trying to take out Kiwi Farms (a website that I hate, and I hope the troons destroy) because it is essentially the last pillar of Web 2.0 user information repositories, like Encyclopedia Dramatica before it.
(03-07-2023, 06:28 PM)JF_ Wrote: [ -> ]There are a few things that happen online which, when described in real life, tend to provoke a response equivalent to Niccolo's assertion. People say vitriolic things to you out of nowhere, insult you in a way they would never act in real life, make totally baseless accusations and get away with it. There are lots of awful webcomics summarizing this. Anonymity Makes People Assholes. This simply isn't that accurate. People also do this in real life and get away with it, especially if the target is generally disliked by a community.
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(03-07-2023, 06:28 PM)JF_ Wrote: [ -> ]There is the phenomenon of "ghosting". You are friends with so and so for a time, seem to be getting along with them, think you treat them well, and then you are "ghosted" by them. They just avoid you altogether, cut you off, and later you learn they have been mocking you to strangers. This happened to me in High School, a male friend group did this to me in entire, and when I tried to confront one of them we got into a fistfight. I was never given an explanation.
That's awesome, I hope you won.
(03-07-2023, 06:28 PM)JF_ Wrote: [ -> ]The most significant difference for me is stalking, or voyeurism if you want. It is possible to stalk someone online with ease and to a degree that is impossible in real life. It would require the skill of a private eye, a federal official. Any old schmuck can do it, and in fact several of them may be doing it to the same person at once without being aware of the others, as if they were all living in the same house across the street from their object of interest and looking through the same windows with binoculars every day.
(03-07-2023, 06:41 PM)a system is failing Wrote: [ -> ]Voyeurism is something I've noticed myself. It seems to me the internet does transfer things from real life, as you say, though without modifcation to the wider culture their negative effects become even worse. Stalking and disgusting levels of privacy violation, both of public and private or random individuals, is going to continue to reach new depths, the latest being the technology now to fake the likeness of any person who has uploaded excessive data related to themselves to the internet.
Gang-stalking really is the high art of the internet (soon to become better through deepfakes as pointed out), CatWorld running perfectly. Gold eyes in darkness observing and outnumbering the terrified normalfag from the shadows. Bliss.
(03-07-2023, 06:41 PM)a system is failing Wrote: [ -> ]The refrain that the internet isn't real is one of those things that's true but destroyed by misuse and association. The internet is very much a potent unreality device in the hands of most people outside of our tiny circles,
I agree with the sentiment but you have the details backwards— the internet is meant to be an unreality device, and the cats are meant to run it. It's a tool for controlling the masses; taste making. The reason ZOG wants (needs) to bust it up is because no one else was supposed to have a tool like this.
(03-14-2023, 02:17 PM)Manjiro Sano Wrote: [ -> ]I think the internet is best thought of as an alternate dimension we navigate and deliberately connect to our real lives to varying degrees.
(03-10-2023, 06:36 PM)Verl Wrote: [ -> ]I will never concede to the point that "the Internet is not real" simply because if it "isn't" therefore shouldn't exist I would probably be not even half as based as I am now. The internet has saved millions of lives from the clutches of conformity and mediocrity. I have learnt so much from the internet. Thank you internet.
Thank you internet.
(03-13-2023, 11:57 PM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]I don't need to be friends with everyone, but this kind of antisocial attitude is a very serious problem. There's a certain kind of person who naturally is hard to get along with who through the internet can actually get formed thoughts across that they couldn't irl. That's a good thing. There are also people who could be civil and stable who are just led into extremely disagreeable patterns of behaviour. Being pointed and difficult can incidentally come with being a strong character. Then we get weak characters observing and deciding that's what it means to be cool.
This is an excellent point, one I'm very familiar with. The internet is CatWorld for a reason, it is a "safe space" for cats— you will find people in the Wired you simply cannot otherwise, because they are too obscure for one reason or many. This is one of the internet's greatest features— to be able to interact with the fragile, retarded, difficult, lost, insane.. who in meatspace cannot be spoken to "in their language".
Why should they change for the world which hates them? This is their world, one of smoke & mirrors.
(03-14-2023, 02:17 PM)Manjiro Sano Wrote: [ -> ]The sentiment behind "the internet isn't real life" is partially some millennials who think some other mythical group of normal-one-havers, who go to work and watch TV and avoid the internet, are more "real" than they are, though I don't think this group actually exists to any significant size anymore. I think the other half of this sentiment is the experience of the innumerable number of small anon accounts and lurkers, totally separated from their personal lives its effectively a time sink which has no consequence at all to their personal lives in comparison to similar in-person activities.
The Failed Normalfag, or worse— the Repentant Netizen, is the bane of CatWorld.
(03-14-2023, 02:19 PM)Hamamelis Wrote: [ -> ]However, I have maybe one interaction a fortnight on average with each of my "internet friends", and when I do, it's an exchange of a few sentences over the course of a couple of hours. That does not feel like socialisation at all, and I don't see how it could. I feel much more socially connected to the very few friends I have that I can actually meet, even if I can not reveal my power level and can barely talk about anything I find interesting with them. I wish it were different, but I don't see how sitting in front of your computer can satisfy your need for company.
(03-16-2023, 06:02 PM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: [ -> ]I like the intellectual aspect of forums like these, and I enjoy the ability for the Internet to help me keep in touch with friends, but I find that people are quite universally much more tolerable and enjoyable to be around in person than through the Internet. I think that communicating only through text and removing live speech and body language from the equation disrupts things and makes the flow a bit janky and distorted.
Both of these points are bizarre, further proof Zoomers are older than Millennials (somehow). These are descriptions of using the internet the way someone 45-60 uses it (like your parents or mine, Gen X - Boomer). "Communicating only through text"? I've used voice systems since I was 12 or 13, also, have you never had a cellphone? I talked to my friends in high school on a (white) LG Chocolate all the time (due to people often not living that close to each other) it was no different to move from that to Xbox Live, Ventrilo, or in-game voice when available (Valve/Steam). I don't disagree that interacting with people as intangible (and incomplete) clouds of information is different, but I would argue it's purer:
(03-14-2023, 10:46 PM)Datacop Wrote: [ -> ]The internet is real life because the way you act online is how you are irl. The whole "on the World Wide Web I can be anybody I want" shit is trannycore, most people can ONLY be themselves even if they tried. If you're an effete pushover you'll come off as a faggot on the internet even if you're larping as Achilles of Phthia on the bird app (not referencing anyone in particular). The lack of real-world material interference means spiritual weakness is all the more profound.
And an aside: if you feel the need to "hide your power level" around your irl friends you either a) don't have any real friends, or b) aren't actually that politically motivated
Anyway, Datacop is right. There is no separation— account, avatar, and posting physiognomy have been present for the entire history of the internet, and only become more acute as these things became more detailed.