(03-17-2023, 11:00 AM)Datacop Wrote: [ -> ]I'll defend wholesome chungus folk dancing. It's not in any sense a political action in and of itself, but any sort of White cultural expression should be defended as a matter of principle, at least in the US. Polka dancing will not save the White race, but ingratiating a sense of White identity should be a goal for the hoi polloi, and events like this are at least de facto for Whites only. At least those folk dresses are prettier than what girls wear today anyway. If young men need scouting organizations like the Wandervogel, young women should have dances and pretty dresses to distract themselves with.
Not really related to the thread, the clubs & societies that typically put on polka dances have some value for us. Big talk is given here about making networks and inroads into civil society; what if there's potential there? Many European-American Societies have hundreds of members (mostly old people admittedly) and already have influence on the local level. The German-American club in my town was very active in local elections on the county level. These are relatively benign organizations that have decent potential if infiltrated. Just a small amount of young men could very effectively steer one of these orgs towards /our/ ends. It may be a bit larpy to suggest that you should infiltrate your local Swedish-American Club, but can anyone else think of another publicly-accepted all-White institution in every city that can throw around money in America?
I suppose if we were talking about an actually traditional American form of culture such as square dancing, then I understand and support it. I suppose my revulsion stems in part from the fakeness of the wignat-type "White identity," which is entirely artificial and ahistoric. While there certainly are White cultures, and these cultures are influenced and determined to varying degrees by the excellencies of good Indo-European and WHG stock (and the wretchedness of EEF/Pre-Aryan blood as well), there is no "White Culture" per se. I think that elements of White high culture - the art of Michaelangelo, the writings of Nietzsche, the conquests of Cortez, the music of Mozart, and the science of Newton - could be said to belong to the whole of Western Civilization broadly, and as such can appeal to and be claimed by any member nation of the West.
However, I think elements of White low culture, those of the peasantry, cannot be so easily universalized. Polka dancing has nothing to do with my culture, and never has - I am an actual American, whose ancestors conquered this land with their own blood to bring the cultural forms and folkways of their respective English regional culture to a new land which they could call their own. My culture is not a generic, averaged-out, commercialized mashup of the mores of various Eastern European untermensch (in the Hitlerian racial sense) peasants who came to Ellis Island looking for free jobs in the 1900s, well after the Whites of the true American mother nations (England, Scotland, Ireland, France, Germany, and the Netherlands, as per the original proposed Great Seal of the country) had finished the conquest. America already has a heritage consisting of several White cultures (Deep South, Appalachia, New England, etc.), and creating a generic "White identity" based around LARPing as Eastern European peasants with no connection to this nation's unique history and culture does nothing to help preserve that culture or create further cohesion within it.
I do think that there is potential in infiltrating German-American and Swedish-American clubs, for practical purposes.
I also generally support these things as non-corrosive and unpozzed hobbies for women; but as I said before, there already exists a strong American heritage. Trying to LARP as a Polack or other irrelevant East Yuro ethnicity is the socially-approved, wholesome chungus attempt to grasp at a genuine heritage. Rather than retreating into some sort of identity as Yuro peasants, which is smaller and therefore exclusive of other Whites and divides Americans as a whole, we should work on reclaiming the American cultural identity(-ies), which by definition will include all White Americans and will thus be more powerful, while still not being so broad and vague so as not to have any actual cultural relevancy. Hyphenated American identities - German-American, Irish-American, etc. - are good in as much as they emphasize their contribution to America, and demonstrate how everything good and great about America came about as a result of its foundation on White European racial stock and Western culture and civilization.
The trouble here is finding a demonym for these White Americans, which many in our circles have already tried - Amerikaner, Heritage American, Founding American, etc.. "White" is the term used to describe these people in practice, but it is muddled by its broadness of meaning (cf. how "Black" in practice means American descendants of slavery and their unique culture but can technically also include all Sub-Saharan Africans, no matter how culturally dissimilar they are, like Obama).
tl;dr White Americans identifying as specific European ethnicities divides and weakens the Nation, White Americans identifying as "White" alone is too generic and broad to provide any real motivation or cohesive culture, and White Americans identifying simply as "Americans" includes all of the other races which currently reside in America or hold American passports. A unique European-American culture(s) certainly exist(s), but it is as of yet unnamed.
(03-18-2023, 03:21 AM)Unformed Golem Wrote: [ -> ]But trad dancing is downstream of trad cultural hegemony. [...] And it's pretty culturally specific too, especially the distinction between partnered, single-sex groups, and solo exhibition dancing. Like I'm not a Slav, most Americans aren't.
Of course if "dating apps" were banned or regulated -- I'm on the fence about the feasibility of this -- and the patriarchy were re-established (definitely possible) then modern analogues to traditional romantic patterns will re-emerge, but the other way around won't work because the cause and effect simply is simply not in that direction. Just because the cargo cult analogy is tired doesn't mean it's not completely correct here.
Well-said, "upstream vs. downstream" is a good way to look at culture which I neglected to bring up.
(03-18-2023, 10:06 AM)a system is failing Wrote: [ -> ][snip]
Best post in the thread. Many good ideas and insights here, especially the last point about creating dark and reclusive spaces outside of the view of the Leviathan in which we can work freely. BAP speaks of this.
From
Bronze Age Mindset, Aphorism 17:
Quote:I’ve always been attracted to filth and dirt, because something in me knew intuitively that it is only in the underseam of life as it exists today that you find the real “lacunae,” the “holes” where its reach is limited or weak. I always sensed there was some real freedom in the blackest of red light districts among whores and junkies, perverts, and worse, with whom I’ve always chosen to take my dinners when I had the chance. I like the stories they told me, some showed letters from delusional Spanish engineer who wanted to marry her, another told me story of miscarriage her friend had in old pervert’s bathroom, and how they flushed it down a toilet and then its name written on a piece of toilet paper. It’s in this world and almost only in this world today that you can start to polish the claws nature gave you, assuming it gave you any. Unfortunately it’s easy for a man with good antennae to see that even this world of shadows has at most a conditional existence. The truth is that they are allowing these “holes” because they, or the people who crafted the fabric in which the masters of lies operate, are smart enough to know you need these “free spaces”: they are of great use to a manipulator. See how the Japanese, so famed for their love of law and order, have nevertheless always allowed the yakuza to operate running prostitution and meth rings and even worse. Such things have a serious function in Japanese society, as the mafia and other institutions have had in Western society. Only a cretinous government will get rid of such a world entirely, and thankfully we have very stupid governments in the West now. Their days are numbered. It is with sadness that you realize, eventually, after the first exhilarating rush of freedom in this world of the damned, that these spaces too, though not so pervasively “owned,” have portals and gates manned by that which owns everything else. Still, it’s better than nothing because in the moment all of that’s still far away… on a late summer night when you are asked by corrupt lawyer to spy on Lebanese strip club owner and you’re out in courtyard with 20-year-old prostie, she put cocaine on your tongue and you feel the ocean air at night fill you with the longing of the great sea…. you might almost forget suffocating air of gravity outside, and feel for a few minutes like animal before moment of hunt.
And from Aphorism 77:
Quote:To be effective in this world you must be very well-acquainted with the underworld, with criminal life, with junkies, dealers, prostitutes, gamblers, with the perviest of pervs. And this is what I mean by the great down-going. To gain a true hold on the foundations of this trash-world, a certain group among the right will have to descend in this inferno. I am firmly convinced that this is the key to overturning everything that is corrupt, and the path to the great purgation. I imagine a network of brothels and gambling-houses around the world, production of porn videos, and a complete penetration of the world of vice. Yes, to ensnare, to compromise, to corrupt, and above all to observe and to know their secrets. To descend into a floating world of complete vice, and even to engage in it—as you must if you are to thrive in this world—while keeping your head and keeping in focus the fire of your aim…isn’t this a great and very difficult achievement? This path must be only for very few, very few are suited to it. But these few are to be among the greatest of the coming generation. This brotherhood will work instead to intensify vice, to stir up demonic passions, to sow total confusion in the heart of the beast. The increase of chaos, confusion and pressure on the Leviathan will lay it low: imagine even a world where the people, under relentless assault of contradictory and wild claims, would lose all faith in the media and government and doctors and believe nothing they hear through official channels anymore [poster's note: it is marvelous how prescient this verse in particular sounds post-COVID]. This would be an order of knights of the spirit such as exists at most every thousand years. Slowly, maybe over two generations, they will work patiently, exploring and laying claims to all the sewers of the underworld, all the effluences of the Leviathan, all the joints of the lower skeleton that undergirds this world. They will take over night clubs, bars, brothels, hotels, casinos, pornography, and much worse, and rather than live to insulate themselves from the vice promoted by this world, they will intensify it and learn to wield it as a great weapon.
This shall be our power. Who among us shall be the one bold enough to start the Amarna Nightclub, the Amarna Brothel, the Amarna Cartel?