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Remember those people spamming ‘READ SIEGE’ in every /pol/ thread and comment section they could find in late 2018? Turns out a lot has happened to them since then. While they were responsible for popularizing “There is no political solution,” the only other useful thing they did for us was show the DR exactly how not to conduct themselves.

Firstly, Siege Culture (often spelled Siegekultur because larpers) appealed to impotent Norwood rage more than anything else during its heyday. Constantly bloviating about how there’s no such thing as a better future for Whites and that organizing is useless, edgy nihilism and niggerlike violence were heavily promoted among themselves. They also had a knack for extreme hostility towards any and all non-Siegetards on the Right, which usually manifested in them calling anyone not making themselves easy targets for feds “derads” and “movementarians,” and ultimately alienating themselves from any useful DR connections they could have had. It was the perfect online outlet for the Norwoods’ fantasies of being violent revolutionaries, mixed together with lazy, Shadow-the-Hedgehog fedora nihilism.


(edit: I fixed the image - Anthony)

If you’re wondering how successful they were, look no further than the Atomwaffen Divison. A group so dearly dedicated to the tenets of Siege that they’ve done nothing their entire lifespan but get themselves thrown in jail for fedposting. Despite constantly claiming to be doing a lot more than everyone else, the only time Atomwaffen ever tended to make news, even in DR circles, was when they were arrested. Almost every single AW arrest happened because they publicly talked about their terror plots on the internet, which led to the feds busting in and finding their stashes of guns and explosives.



Even in the few attacks they’ve actually carried out (which amounts to random niggerlike street violence, not the sophisticated terrorism they run their mouths about), their kill count includes more Whites than it does niggers, jews, or anyone else they said they’d target.

It’s also worth mentioning that there’s a lot of crossover between them and the Order of Nine Angles, a notably gay and brown satanist organization, which itself has led to plenty of trouble.



The decline of Siegetardism began in early 2020, when a bunch of them getting arrested caused James Mason, the author of Siege itself and (consequently) an object of intense Norwood worship, to make a statement that the entire network was disbanding immediately. Any energy Siege Culture had was almost instantly erased, and all the sudden, skull mask spamming in Telegram comments wasn’t so common anymore. Since then it was a slow decline, with stuff like American Futurist popping up to entertain the few that remained.

Unlike similar online movements, I believe it is possible to point to an exact day that Siegetardism died, that being February 6th, 2023. It was the day that Brandon Russel, one of the highest-level figures in the Siege sphere was arrested by the FBI. A few days after getting out of prison he began plotting a terrorist attack, which he openly talked about with every single person close to him, leading to an FBI informant catching wind of it and him ending up back in the slammer. It doesn’t get any more quintessentially Siegekultur than that.


Flash forward to now, we have this article titled ‘Stagnation and Decay’ from American Futurist, which is what inspired me to make this thread:

Quote:We are on a plateau of sorts and starting to show signs of stagnation and even decline. We are sadly becoming the sick man of the movement, and I for one will not allow it.

After years of “You’ll never get us all! Le ideas are bulletproof!”, they admit defeat.

Quote:This was inevitable due to certain events, including but not limited to things like the fall of James Mason due to his own issues of delusion and dementia. Undermining his writings, such as SIEGE, making it harder for us to spread our ideas and undermining our image. Beyond this, there is the growing cancer of incompetence and delusion within our own faction of revolutionaries. Allowing the movementarian moderates within the movement, such as active clubs and optics-obsessed cowards, to grow in our place.

Seasoned armchair terrorists countersignaling Active Clubs, one of the most successful organizational models in the DR, because they’re Moobmentarians. Active Clubs are a whole other interesting can of worms which deserve their own thread, but that can come later.

Quote:This cannot and will not stand. We must adapt, reform, and change if we are to survive in the 2020s within the North American White racialist movement. We cannot continue on with the same old tired shadow of Atomwaffen Division, which, while revolutionary in its own right, has become a rotting corpse that has become dead weight for all of us.

Firstly we have American Futurist denouncing AW, which is notable because they’ve done nothing but fellatiate everyone involved since they started writing. Secondly, Immediately after a paragraph of classic anti-cooperation and lone wolf-ism, they say without a hint of irony that they need to change their tactics because they're not working.

And the rest of the article is basically just like that, repeated ad nauseam. I’m not gonna pull apart all of it, but one particular thing caught my eye:

Quote:Exploitation and Radicalization: Sadly, our faction, the revolutionaries, hasn’t done this yet. The only people to attempt to take advantage are the movementarian moderates like Eric Striker and Patriot Front with their frankly pathetic and effeminate uninspired messaging that makes our movement look weak and pathetic. Which inspires no one besides their dedicated paypigs and fanboys on places like Gab and Telegram.

This is in reference to the East Palestine disaster. Though I fully agree that the NJP are retards, while Tim Turtle was writing scholarly wordcel articles about the future race war, Patriot Front was handing out water to the disaffected Ohio townsfolk.



Though an unusually extremist strain of Norwood ideology, it’s still impotent Norwoodism nonetheless. They saw the truth the DR provides, but their hylic souls were incapable of handling the fact that billions must die and they went insane. Their brains were turned to mush by a combo of negroid revolutionary fantasies and meth. It didn’t even lead to anything worthwhile, just retards complaining about the DR at best and retards giving the ADL massive fundraising opportunities at worst.

Natural selection has finally rooted them out. Thank God I never read Siege.

While "siegetardism" might have died, AWD and O9A style groups are still quite active and will only become more popular as the west undergoes its inevitable steep decline. Hitler said it first and we've said it again and again since then. This entire empire of lies is going to collapse in on itself and give way to a new vital culture. You think that can somehow be avoided? That one day in the future you'll just wake up and suddenly all of society is going to simultaneously be having a normal one? These power structures are built on illusions and false promises and they lack the ability to maintain themselves much further into the future. This forum's ideas about "white collar uprising" and "revolution through reform" are childish and dismissed eighty years ago by Hitler himself when he siezed power the only way that works in the real world. Fear and terror is power, if you're just some "innocent" weakling you're going to get trampled on by your nearest warlord. The cattle masses in the west have had the privilege of being under the reign of the strongest warlord for a while, but now that's over. Yes I've got an infinite number of disagreements with the praxis of these edgy skinhead-adjacent retards, but their worldview is fundamentally accurate to a T. No amount of buzzwords or 'jak posting changes the facts. Fight or die.

A friend of mine used to play Minecraft with that character who converted to Islam and then killed his roommates. One of the more dignified and respectable stories to come of this circle.

(03-23-2023, 09:21 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]...

This isn't an accurate summary of concrnsus here if there can even be said to be one. You can't look at these groups blindly and ignore the low impulse low functioning criminal element to it. Clearly that can be used, as the left does, but not without any framework to effectively and consistently bail them out amd challenge anything brought up against them, or laws made using them as a justification.

I read Siege, or half of it, when it was a meme. I don’t really remember anything about it. Don’t remember finding it either objectionable or enlightening. I didn’t commit any crimes or become trans unfortunately.

Even if "le based accelerationist collapse" happens, the siegetards will have no power, no path to victory at all. They want to derail trains and blow up government buildings, but won't dare consider getting into local government or anything like that.  Someone posted before- "the girls they raped but wouldn't dare kissing". They want to destroy everything without any blueprint to rebuild.

“The real path to power is voting in local elections and getting in contact with small town community leaders. Are you brave enough for that Chud?”

I look like this and say this, but yes a poor choice of words. If you prefer "forming legal mafias" instead of "local government" then fine. What I mean is that they do not want to infiltrate power structures because they believe the structures to be rotten, so they'd rather just burn them to the ground, which they have not been successful at doing so far.

(03-24-2023, 09:04 AM)Classical_Liberal_1488 Wrote: [ -> ]Even if "le based accelerationist collapse" happens, the siegetards will have no power, no path to victory at all. They want to derail trains and blow up government buildings, but won't dare consider getting into local government or anything like that.

This is a reason I think the current Active Club/Local Mannerbund model is great, it's a path to power and leverage via social cohesion. Want to run for local government? You know a group of men who are /ourguys/, and can help you find connections, money, and resources. Better yet, if you have a guy who's good at charisma and public speaking, you could have him be your political figure while you and the rest of the crew help him out behind the scenes. System pigs start drafting people in your town? You know some guys a town over who you could couchsurf with and wait for the golems to go away. Said system somehow loses local enforcement power? You're running with a bunch of strong men who would love to become warlords. The BAPian character of the overall movement is a plus too.

(edit: Above post is basically exactly what im trying to say)

(03-23-2023, 09:21 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]While "siegetardism" might have died, AWD and O9A style groups are still quite active and will only become more popular as the west undergoes its inevitable steep decline. Hitler said it first and we've said it again and again since then. This entire empire of lies is going to collapse in on itself and give way to a new vital culture. You think that can somehow be avoided? That one day in the future you'll just wake up and suddenly all of society is going to simultaneously be having a normal one? These power structures are built on illusions and false promises and they lack the ability to maintain themselves much further into the future. This forum's ideas about "white collar uprising" and "revolution through reform" are childish and dismissed eighty years ago by Hitler himself when he siezed power the only way that works in the real world. Fear and terror is power, if you're just some "innocent" weakling you're going to get trampled on by your nearest warlord. The cattle masses in the west have had the privilege of being under the reign of the strongest warlord for a while, but now that's over. Yes I've got an infinite number of disagreements with the praxis of these edgy skinhead-adjacent retards, but their worldview is fundamentally accurate to a T. No amount of buzzwords or 'jak posting changes the facts. Fight or die.

Hitler was duely elected by his peers, and ascended to Fuhrer through an enabling act that went through the proper channels of government. 1933 Hitler understood that Breaking the Law is retarded. Another note, your model of the world and extremely tedious style of 'argumentation' would be nearly identical to Tinkzorg's if the Hitler references were removed.

(03-24-2023, 09:54 AM)Spingebill Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-24-2023, 09:04 AM)Classical_Liberal_1488 Wrote: [ -> ]Even if "le based accelerationist collapse" happens, the siegetards will have no power, no path to victory at all. They want to derail trains and blow up government buildings, but won't dare consider getting into local government or anything like that.

This is a reason I think the current Active Club/Local Mannerbund model is great, it's a path to power and leverage via social cohesion. Want to run for local government? You know a group of men who are /ourguys/, and can help you find connections, money, and resources. Better yet, if you have a guy who's good at charisma and public speaking, you could have him be your political figure while you and the rest of the crew help him out behind the scenes. System pigs start drafting people in your town? You know some guys a town over who you could couchsurf with and wait for the golems to go away. Said system somehow loses local enforcement power? You're running with a bunch of strong men who would love to become warlords. The BAPian character of the overall movement is a plus too.

(edit: Above post is basically exactly what im trying to say)

I agree, these "active club" networks are what are most likely to survive if the "collapse" that siege fans worship ever comes. Have the active clubs work with local Whites, run for government spots,  become a mafia, until we control a town, move on to the next town, repeat until keyedstaat formed. The question: where to begin? What town is the best to plant the seeds in?

The SIEGE condition's fatal flaw is nihilism, the "fuck hope" attitude that says: "Dude everything is rotten, there's no chance for improvement, don't even try to do anything positive, just shoot at your local power substation or derail a train or something". They have no plans post-collapse, they just want to LARP as le epic revolutionary warriors.

I think there's a certain kind of person who tends to spiritually transplant Ian Brady's character and personality onto their reading of Hitler because they like that better than the truth.

To get more specific, Hitler's power was not built on fear and terror. If anything it was the opposite. Confidence and order. Stability and having nice things for everyone again. Guest's post is otherwise a barely coherent TLP style character-oriented gish-gallop of innuendo and garbage. The fundamental dishonesty (or idiocy, you decide which is more charitable) is in taking situationals for universals in a very selective and self-serving way. Considered and reactive responses to our own circumstances are bad because they potentially wouldn't serve so well in a proposed hypothetical future Guest is waiting for. Nobody is allowed to continue reacting after the steep collapse because I suppose the rules say we're class-locked by then.

It's not possible to get a working worldview picture out of Guest's first post, largely because so much of it is framed in willfully wrong readings of everyone else. If we want this thread to go anywhere new and potentially interesting; what is this worldview which is accurate "to a T" and also completely antithetical to what goes on here?

William Luther Pierce once talked about how groups like Aryan Nations etc. were magnets that attracted all the fucking losers away from National Alliance. One wonders if it's like that, if the Siegetards will now gravitate to something else and ruin it.

Certainly it does not hurt to have Federal honeytraps in place for them. Fuck them, it's eugenic. Hitler would approve.

(03-24-2023, 10:26 AM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]I think there's a certain kind of person who tends to spiritually transplant Ian Brady's character and personality onto their reading of Hitler because they like that better than the truth.

To get more specific, Hitler's power was not built on fear and terror. If anything it was the opposite. Confidence and order. Stability and having nice things for everyone again. ---

This is what I feel any normie picks up from light reading about the Third Reich, seeing the uniforms, or looking in to any of the major figures. This confidence and order that radiates from these things are deeply interesting and even mystical to most people. Those who have built the history curriculums in the west did so to shift focus on this period towards the holocaust and the holocaust only so that every mind is pre-occupied with this spectre of looming mass death when anything even nominally right wing or nominally traditional appear.

Going back to the main topic. What I feel is so weak about "Siegetardism" is that it doesn't learn from, or even know, the strengths and the greater objectives of the NSDAP at all. The "siegetards" simply make use of what they've been taught about the "Nazis" so they can give their criminal and deviant acts greater shock value and direction. The real debate of the "optics wars", both in the past and ongoing was this: The battle between those with high time preference, using the symbols and ideas of the right for shock value and those with low time preference who had -or were working to- a proper understanding of what they were fighting for and how to best pursue actual goals and change. 

Nick Fuentes is an interesting case as he fought against "siegetardism" only to then go on to create his own brand of it after becoming frustrated with the real world difficulties of creating, growing and managing an actual political organisation.

Most of what I know here comes second/third-hand from individuals who were involved in the outer-discord orbit of those spheres. Despite my curiosity, I kept my distance - for good reason. Those involved in AW in particular were unfathomable degenerates, and it largely functioned as a CP trading ring - often pictures and videos of toddlers getting molested.

(03-24-2023, 10:26 AM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]...

This is hilarious. Cute, even. Reminds me of some fag on Twitter that I was arguing with. They were basically saying what you guys like to say, how Hitler was this completely normal practical dude. My point was that Hitler was literally a revolutionary who stood against every established power on the globe and created an entirely new vision for the future. Of course the fag responded that my comment was just edgy drivel and that people like me were a more sour legacy of Hitler than the kike atrocity propaganda. Moments like those really give insight into just how deranged and deeply engrossed in your own fantasy you people are. It's funny to me that you want this amoral imperialist meritocratic regime when you are already living in it. Sure it peddles degeneracy to the masses to keep them passive, but otherwise it has everything you want. A huge MIC used at the whim of the elites unscrupulously. A national doctrine that champions the superiority of your people over the savage aliens outside the walls. So of course you're not really opposed to any of it. You think White guys should join the military, police, political structure. You think White guys should get into business and finance and become engrossed in the system of capital. You're right wing after all, not revolutionary. All that being said, I'm not going to take your shit about my "misreading" of Hitler, I'm not going to play into this paradigm where your plan is a "considered and reactive response". You people are unabashed amoral opportunists, so we fundamentally disagree, and there's nothing else about "this worldview" you need to know about. Why would I explain myself to a kike?

(03-24-2023, 10:26 AM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]I think there's a certain kind of person who tends to spiritually transplant Ian Brady's character and personality onto their reading of Hitler because they like that better than the truth.

To get more specific, Hitler's power was not built on fear and terror. If anything it was the opposite. Confidence and order. Stability and having nice things for everyone again. Guest's post is otherwise a barely coherent TLP style character-oriented gish-gallop of innuendo and garbage. The fundamental dishonesty (or idiocy, you decide which is more charitable) is in taking situationals for universals in a very selective and self-serving way. Considered and reactive responses to our own circumstances are bad because they potentially wouldn't serve so well in a proposed hypothetical future Guest is waiting for. Nobody is allowed to continue reacting after the steep collapse because I suppose the rules say we're class-locked by then.

It's not possible to get a working worldview picture out of Guest's first post, largely because so much of it is framed in willfully wrong readings of everyone else. If we want this thread to go anywhere new and potentially interesting; what is this worldview which is accurate "to a T" and also completely antithetical to what goes on here?

I would argue that it's less a 'worldview' than it is an aesthetic preference comorbid with certain kinds of effeminate ennui. These are sensitive young men in the worst meaning of every word, the right wing equivalent of 'anti-work anarcho communists', they have no prescriptive plan for things - only a plan for how they will circlejerk about having been Above this Fallen World all along. I fucking hate this personality type.

(03-24-2023, 11:26 AM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-24-2023, 10:26 AM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]...

This is hilarious. Cute, even. Reminds me of some fag on Twitter that I was arguing with. They were basically saying what you guys like to say, how Hitler was this completely normal practical dude. My point was that Hitler was literally a revolutionary who stood against every established power on the globe and created an entirely new vision for the future. Of course the fag responded that my comment was just edgy drivel and that people like me were a more sour legacy of Hitler than the kike atrocity propaganda. Moments like those really give insight into just how deranged and deeply engrossed in your own fantasy you people are. It's funny to me that you want this amoral imperialist meritocratic regime when you are already living in it. Sure it peddles degeneracy to the masses to keep them passive, but otherwise it has everything you want. A huge MIC used at the whim of the elites unscrupulously. A national doctrine that champions the superiority of your people over the savage aliens outside the walls. So of course you're not really opposed to any of it. You think White guys should join the military, police, political structure. You think White guys should get into business and finance and become engrossed in the system of capital. You're right wing after all, not revolutionary. All that being said, I'm not going to take your shit about my "misreading" of Hitler, I'm not going to play into this paradigm where your plan is a "considered and reactive response". You people are unabashed amoral opportunists, so we fundamentally disagree, and there's nothing else about "this worldview" you need to know about. Why would I explain myself to a kike?

Ah, the classic "Trannies, nigger, fags, and obese bureaucrats like Victoria Nuland are the REAL Nietzschean Nazi eugenicists" canard rears its balding head once more.

(03-24-2023, 11:18 AM)FrenziedFish Wrote: [ -> ]...

Beautiful, we're now going into full schizo territory. "They built the history curriculum so the mind is preoccupied with looming mass death when anything even nominally right wing or traditional appears". Very astute assessment from an advocate of Total Nigger Death, I applaud. This parallels the rhetoric of shills on 4chan who say Hitler was a jewish plant because he's the reason nothing right wing or traditional can succeed. Talking points like these are truly one dimensional and pointless.

For your second paragraph, it's obvious you haven't even read Siege. The optics wars are not degenerates versus rational men, they are cowards versus people with conviction. You think Ben Shapiro is optical so he can better push the message and advance the goals of the right? No, he's a stop sign that gives potential dissidents a way out of the pipeline so they can deradicalize and stop asking questions. I love the way the cucks frame things, "imagine you're a normal person and the only people on the streets are Nazis and antifa". Yeah welcome to Weimar conditions buddy, you ready to board for Weimar solutions? What else do you call someone who fundamentally opposes the modern world and wants to live in a society free of degeneracy? A Nazi! The Nazis are the ones who are fighting against this world, who truly have a basis to stand on for opposing it, and that's exactly why you see no one else on the streets. So instead of being puzzled about what's going on in the real world on the streets, maybe people should get out of their echo chambers and ask themselves "What makes Nazis the bad guys?" You hide behind "optics critique" and "practical goals" because it's easy to say, but the reality is it isn't that normal people are disgusted by Nazism, you are the one that is disgusted by Nazism. The fundamental reason people want "optics" is to serve the ends of enemies and subverters. This is why Fuentes moved away from optics, he saw firsthand just how pointless and harmful it would be to try and hide the character of his movement.

(03-24-2023, 11:26 AM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]A huge MIC used at the whim of the elites unscrupulously. A national doctrine that champions the superiority of your people over the savage aliens outside the walls. So of course you're not really opposed to any of it.

Always a pleasure to find another demented specimen mentally stuck in 2004, for ever and ever, without any hope of escape. These things were ubiquitous on the tubes when I was a wee todger; but I figured that by now they'd all be in nursing homes that limited their internet access.