Great topic, much to discuss.
I was reminded of it while watching this:
(03-27-2023, 11:14 PM)NuclearAbsolutist Wrote: [ -> ]What I wish to discuss is that due to various factors I will go into more detail shortly, the mindset of fandom, in various forms has become the default view for looking at all media/art for those who rise to the minimum level of being interested in the subject matter and unpassive in absorbing it-a disaster for culture.
(03-27-2023, 11:14 PM)NuclearAbsolutist Wrote: [ -> ]I consider this to be one of the main issues in culture today, this mindset reduces all to screeching like monkeys and much worse social behaviors. It effects creativity by colonizing the mind and withering any organic understanding.
(03-28-2023, 01:39 AM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]Fandom is the wilful submission of a man into a mass.
The mass will always exist. As will fandoms. But the "keys to the kingdom" were given to the mass when authorities ceased holding onto artistic standards.
(03-28-2023, 01:50 AM)Sanae Wrote: [ -> ]In other words, the concept of fandom is a theater-kid-ism
(03-28-2023, 02:27 AM)NuclearAbsolutist Wrote: [ -> ]I wish for nothing more for it to have stayed in the minds of such people never moving towards realization but instead it has as I have said burst out from 1970s low rent hotel conference halls to being the default way of interacting with culture on a level beyond couch potato.
Let's talk about furries...
(03-28-2023, 03:28 AM)Illustrious Wrote: [ -> ]In fact I suspect that most of the fandom types initially don't care that much about the object of what they're fawning over, they're just seeking a group to integrate themselves within and form relationships; this is the genesis of the geeky female nerd rawr, upon failing to integrate themselves into normalfag territory, they turn their sights into random media IPs to form a group and hopefully top the hierarchy. That's how you get dem gals memeing about how le cake is a lie XD yet haven't beaten Portal.
(03-28-2023, 05:27 AM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]Fandoms are a natural consequence of low IQ niggers being let into what was previously high culture. If you personally do not have an identity, you either subsume into a group identity (hippies, emos, punks, etc.) or you subsume into a media identity.
But the "furry" is not an "animal-fucker" or any of the other (ancient, and often deliberate) misinterpretations (
zoophiles are extremely rare, and far more interesting as individuals) that many "anti-furry" would tell you.
No, the furry is something much worse than someone who wishes to be an animal (only ignoble if selecting a particularly retarded animal, which furries do and that is part of the problem (dogs), how often do you see cat furries? ..avian furfags seek to be grounded with no interest in flight, and the subject of how Web 1.0 - 2.0 furfags were able to contort foxes into a type of "dog" is so important it deserves its own thread), they are someone who wants to be a "cartoon":
Rod O'Riley Wrote:We were a very strange fandom. We didn't fully grasp how strange we were going in, but we were not a fandom of a property, nor were we a fandom of a genre. Other fandoms would look at us and get extremely confused. "What are you about?" "WHO are you about?" All of those specificities don't matter. It's the overarching: animals-doing-things-that-animals-don't-do, thing, that binds this all together. Beyond that, it can be anything.
WikiFur Wrote:Mark Merlino is one of the founding members of the furry fandom, along with his long time partner Rod O'Riley, describing himself as the 'Father of the Furry Fandom' in his Oklacon 2004 panel "History of Fur". He got into the fandom in 1971 by meeting science fiction convention attendees with an interest in animal characters. He was one of the founders of the Cartoon/Fantasy Organization and by 1985 he organized the first furry room parties, most notably at Westercon, which, due to their growing attendance, lead to the creation of a newsletter and two magazines. In 1982 he created the first furry BBS, Tiger's Den.
Let's get this clarified before I move on: The "furry fandom" has nothing to do with animals, it's the first (or the first I can point to after 16+ years of research sprawling the internet, virtual worlds, and meatspace) "fandom-fandom". From here, we can begin to understand that "furries" are the only "fandom" that has ever mattered or will ever matter. Every other "fandom" that has existed since is downstream from furries— EXCEPT for
ANIME:
It is the weeaboo (not the otaku, key difference— the weeaboo and furry are both AMERICAN) who is the antithesis to the furfag.
But why compare the two? Why isn't the opposite of a furry a gamer, or anything else?
I'll show you:
February 29th, 1976
A hatred of "seriousness", "pretentiousness", "impact", and "significance"... hmm, what does this sound like in contemporary terms? Who does this look like in 2023, 47 years later?
One fight, one enemy— who takes many forms (this is the key point, one I will come back to later).
The war of the Goon vs. the Channer is no different.
Chained to them, sharing the same space and air.
The "furry" is the perfect "communist": A deracinated faggot non-faggot (everyone is "gay" now, this is different than being a faggot as many would imagine) born out of genre fiction, cartoon and capeshit obsessive (anesthetic taste)... the furry breathes kikeshit to degrees that would kill a normalfag (as much as they try):
The furry is "terminally online", parallel to the weeaboo (or was, furries have unfortunately "won" post-Chanology (as most 'edgelords' were lost in the 2008 reset) because they are the mass). Deeply connected to the pulse of internet culture.
Rod O'Riley Wrote:Right about the time that furry fandom was hitting was right about the time that the AIDS crisis hit.
Now that's a fucking quote, hoo-wee! Can't believe I didn't write that shit.
As a proud veteran of the
YouTube Furry War..
(Recovered propaganda showcasing one of our boys executing the
enemy, both most likely furries or An Hero now.)
I am most qualified to discuss this subject, and it's crucial relation to ALL "fandom".
I was there, over 9,001 years ago:
The war between weeaboo and furries might as well be as old as the internet itself.
The true war, one fight, against one enemy.
We fought them on YouTube:
We fought them on Second Life:
Some people even fought them in the streets:
(If I told you someone in this video was on a TekWars episode about Gargoyles— that they know Kantbot, would you understand what I mean when I say "
...the world will keep getting smaller?")
On every platform there were faggots and retards, and on every platform I would interfere, as would many, many others.
As for what happened? Everyone "grew up".
Well, not exactly.
The current (or maybe last, we haven't moved past it) stop on the hyperreality train, the "furry" seeks to abandon their humanity but not in the way anyone understands. All "fandom" is furry fandom now, and all "gay culture" is downstream from furries:
(Remember what I said about "dogs"?)
"Pride" is the Gay Fandom convention.
But this is quite different from older eras of faggotry:
This is not to say old faggotry = good and new faggotry = bad (although old faggotry = better and new faggotry = worse, is entirely correct), but that looking at these people they are simply NOWHERE near as degenerated. Of course, we could talk about lower levels of poison in food and water, less sedentary lifestyles.. all manner of
external differences, but we're still talking about
FAGGOTS and especially faggots (back then) at a time where STDs were significantly more deadly. So, what happened? Did the strongmen fags all die of AIDS? Well, that's probably a factor worth considering, but it's not what I think.
I think that furries don't have anything to do with being gay, just like they don't have anything to do with animals, and that both of these details as crucial as they may seem outwardly, are completely incidental.
The furry is then better understood as being more like a Canadian— someone who's identity is reliant on surrounding circumstances to exist at all.
But that fucks up my metaphor, that I watched all of his happen before and it's happening again, if my metaphor was true, there would be a
perfect parallel to what I described in the past happening now...
Now finally, I can come back to what I said earlier and connect all the dots— one enemy, that takes many forms:
The troon (NOT the tranny, they are different because of this) is the modern version of a furry, but they're importantly DOWNSTREAM from furries— the furry is not a type of troon, but the other way around. Furries created troons, but they did so in such obscurity no one noticed.
For anyone who remembers Shmorky..
..and for those who don't, he is the perfect example of everything I'm talking about. "First" a goon (functionally second or third in command of SomethingAwful itself), then a furry, then a troon.
There is no single person who has "won" more from the changes in culture than Dave Kelly, even with him being run offline.
We are living in
his world.
The world of fandom.
BONUS CONTENT:
https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Mark_Merlino
Wikifur Wrote:He owns a well-known furry household, The Prancing Skiltaire in Garden Grove, California.
https://dogpatch.press/2017/05/04/fuller...der-story/
https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Fullerton_triple_homicide
https://www.ocregister.com/2018/11/08/ju...community/