07-07-2023, 02:19 PM
In "The Final Pagan Generation", Edward Watts` paints a tragic picture of the last cohort of Pagan men born into a traditional (albeit decaying) Roman Society in which those with similar religious beliefs to their own were the majority - a society that members of said generation could not imagine being anything other than one where sacrifices to the Gods and massive festival-holidays are a regular occurrence, where temples and other places of worship to said Gods are never more than a few city blocks away, and where the Gods are alive and immanent, their presence able to be felt everywhere at all times. Unfortunately, as these men would later learn, the world into which they were born was one that would soon disappear; this was a reality that many did not come to terms with, yet alone begin to rail against, until they had grown older and the changes to everyday life that came with Rome`s gradual Christianization became too great to ignore. Ultimately, this final Pagan generation died in a world that did not resemble the one into which they were born, and shortly after their deaths, Rome`s fate, as well as the fate of the faith of its founders, would be sealed.
Between 1994 and 2007, a generation of men was born in the United States, a generation the likes of which will never exist again if the trends around birth rates continue - the final white generation. Not unlike their 4th century Roman counterparts, these men were born into a society that they could not imagine changing, at least not for the first 10 or so years of their lives: a majority white United States in which white men still (ostensibly) ran things (albeit poorly) and in which English was the lingua franca. This world was theirs to inherit, it was their patrimony, and it was only within the past decade that (some) of these men realized that things were rapidly changing in a way that would tear down the very fabric of society as they knew it.
What I seek to do in this thread is lay out some of the similarities and differences between these two "final" generations in terms of their circumstances and prospects to showcase the analogous nature of our situation and that of the final pagan generation while also speculating about how, if at all, we can avoid the same fate that befell our late Imperial Roman counterparts.
Similarities:
(1) Our situation in general - as outlined above, our own situation is analogous to that of those Pagans born in 4th century Rome insofar as we are the last generation of our kind and face seemingly insurmountable obstacles to "saving the West": a massive wave of foreigners who are replacing us coupled with a set of revolutionary ideologies (that differ only on minutiae in terms of what their ultimate goal is and how to accomplish it) championed by both the aforementioned foreigners and our own kin, ideologies that seek to radically alter our society on a fundamental level. These Roman Pagans faced similar threats - though some of them were not Roman or even European, they faced a massive wave of immigration from the Levant and Syria, with many of the immigrants from these places being responsible for spreading the revolutionary ideology that they opposed - Christianity.
(2) The nature of the change-driving ideology faced by both final generations - this comparison is likely to rub some people the wrong way, but it is an apt one: both Christianity and Progressivism/GNC/whatever you want to call our enemies` beliefs are similar in form (not so much in substance) and in terms of the strategies employed to achieve their goals:
(a) Firstly, they were alike in terms of their goals, with both seeking/having sought to fundamentally change the societies in which they take/took root, largely through the destruction of their norms/folkways, traditions, and worldviews. The former set out to completely destroy the predominant religion in Roman society as well as all of the traditions derived therefrom - nothing was sacred to the early Christians and everything associated with the Religio Romana, be it festivals, statues, or traditions, needed to be wiped out entirely so that it can be replaced with that which is Christian; similarly, GNC seeks to fundamentally destroy Western society, targeting our traditions, cultural artefacts, and identity to pave the way for a society of nigger-worshipping, self-loathing whites and their judeo-brownoid overlords.
(b) Secondly, the means through which adherents of these ideologies accomplished/seek to accomplish this were/are similar. For instance, both captured and subsequently weaponized existing institutions against their ideological enemies (Roman Pagans and Whites, respectively). Another tactic shared by both was the use of material incentives to "convert" people to their side. In the instance of Rome, this was accomplished through the creation monetary incentives for conversion and disenfranchisement of their religious enemies through lawfare and through social pressure that was so severe that it made remaining Pagan exceptionally difficult for anyone who sought to function in society (for more on this, see Ramsay MacMullen`s "Christianizing the Roman Empire: 100-400AD" and Katherine Nixey`s "Darkening Age"). This tactic is one used by the modern left - one need not look to far to see how they have created incentives for "conversion", such as the ability to accrue status and the ability to participate in the system, while also using the institutional power they have to effectively bar dissidents from having any positions of power and punish them for speaking out against what is happening (see the somewhat recent tactic of "de-banking"). In addition to these similarities, GNC utilizes riots and promotes iconoclasm as a means of expressing their hatred towards our society and as a means of destroying cultural symbols, such as statues and artwork, that pertain to our heritage; not unlike GNC, the early Christian movement engaged in similar tactics, with the Church even going as far as to facilitate riots by allowing bishops and other religious figures to whip up their congregations into a furor in hopes that they would riot, destroying every pagan temple and statue they encountered along the way.
© Lastly, both misappropriate(d) ideas traditionally associated with their enemies that might be useful for furthering their cause, ultimately weaponizing them against said enemies. In the case of the early Christians, this was done primarily through the hijacking of Greco-Roman philosophical/metaphysical concepts and re-framing them through a Christian lens, with some Christian figures going as far as to claim that it was Moses, not Plato, who came up with the ideas discussed by the latter in his dialogues - these sorts of arguments were made to simultaneously (and paradoxically) show that the Greco-Roman religion they loathed was not so different from that which they adhered to (with the implication being that Pagans should simply convert because Christianity was basically just a better, more complete version of Greco-Roman paganism), but also that it was inferior to Christianity because the Greeks and Romans had essentially stumbled upon perennial truths that the Christians` predecessors, the Jews, had figured out long before. GNC`s proponents utilize a tactic that is eerily reminiscent of this, oftentimes proclaiming themselves to be the true heirs and defenders of Western political systems, values, and concepts such as "human rights" and "progress". They then proceed to use these concepts, values, ideas, etc. as bludgeons with which to beat Whites over the head despite the fact that many of these things were thought up by White men who never intended for them to be used to advance the rights of niggers, faggots, etc. (doing so by either ignoring the hypocrisy in this or acknowledging this and appealing to the "death of the author").
Differences:
1) Time at which we gained awareness of our problem - as mentioned in the introductory paragraph of this post, the final Pagan generation did not become aware of the dire nature of their situation until it was far too late. Many were caught up in the pursuit of wealth and power, while others simply failed to pay sufficient attention to the world around them until the changes that had occurred in their society could not go unnoticed any longer, and by this time, they were too old to do much about it. We white men differ from them in this regard, as we have had the fortune of noticing what is happening at a relatively young age and have already begun opposing it (though most of this opposition is admittedly limited to the virtual world). This is a massive whitepill, as it gives us a distinct advantage over our 4th c. Pagan counterparts because it is not quite too late for us to fix things.
I believe what was written above will suffice to start a conversation, and I do intend to come back to this post to further discuss the comparisons I`ve made and to expand upon them.
Between 1994 and 2007, a generation of men was born in the United States, a generation the likes of which will never exist again if the trends around birth rates continue - the final white generation. Not unlike their 4th century Roman counterparts, these men were born into a society that they could not imagine changing, at least not for the first 10 or so years of their lives: a majority white United States in which white men still (ostensibly) ran things (albeit poorly) and in which English was the lingua franca. This world was theirs to inherit, it was their patrimony, and it was only within the past decade that (some) of these men realized that things were rapidly changing in a way that would tear down the very fabric of society as they knew it.
What I seek to do in this thread is lay out some of the similarities and differences between these two "final" generations in terms of their circumstances and prospects to showcase the analogous nature of our situation and that of the final pagan generation while also speculating about how, if at all, we can avoid the same fate that befell our late Imperial Roman counterparts.
Similarities:
(1) Our situation in general - as outlined above, our own situation is analogous to that of those Pagans born in 4th century Rome insofar as we are the last generation of our kind and face seemingly insurmountable obstacles to "saving the West": a massive wave of foreigners who are replacing us coupled with a set of revolutionary ideologies (that differ only on minutiae in terms of what their ultimate goal is and how to accomplish it) championed by both the aforementioned foreigners and our own kin, ideologies that seek to radically alter our society on a fundamental level. These Roman Pagans faced similar threats - though some of them were not Roman or even European, they faced a massive wave of immigration from the Levant and Syria, with many of the immigrants from these places being responsible for spreading the revolutionary ideology that they opposed - Christianity.
(2) The nature of the change-driving ideology faced by both final generations - this comparison is likely to rub some people the wrong way, but it is an apt one: both Christianity and Progressivism/GNC/whatever you want to call our enemies` beliefs are similar in form (not so much in substance) and in terms of the strategies employed to achieve their goals:
(a) Firstly, they were alike in terms of their goals, with both seeking/having sought to fundamentally change the societies in which they take/took root, largely through the destruction of their norms/folkways, traditions, and worldviews. The former set out to completely destroy the predominant religion in Roman society as well as all of the traditions derived therefrom - nothing was sacred to the early Christians and everything associated with the Religio Romana, be it festivals, statues, or traditions, needed to be wiped out entirely so that it can be replaced with that which is Christian; similarly, GNC seeks to fundamentally destroy Western society, targeting our traditions, cultural artefacts, and identity to pave the way for a society of nigger-worshipping, self-loathing whites and their judeo-brownoid overlords.
(b) Secondly, the means through which adherents of these ideologies accomplished/seek to accomplish this were/are similar. For instance, both captured and subsequently weaponized existing institutions against their ideological enemies (Roman Pagans and Whites, respectively). Another tactic shared by both was the use of material incentives to "convert" people to their side. In the instance of Rome, this was accomplished through the creation monetary incentives for conversion and disenfranchisement of their religious enemies through lawfare and through social pressure that was so severe that it made remaining Pagan exceptionally difficult for anyone who sought to function in society (for more on this, see Ramsay MacMullen`s "Christianizing the Roman Empire: 100-400AD" and Katherine Nixey`s "Darkening Age"). This tactic is one used by the modern left - one need not look to far to see how they have created incentives for "conversion", such as the ability to accrue status and the ability to participate in the system, while also using the institutional power they have to effectively bar dissidents from having any positions of power and punish them for speaking out against what is happening (see the somewhat recent tactic of "de-banking"). In addition to these similarities, GNC utilizes riots and promotes iconoclasm as a means of expressing their hatred towards our society and as a means of destroying cultural symbols, such as statues and artwork, that pertain to our heritage; not unlike GNC, the early Christian movement engaged in similar tactics, with the Church even going as far as to facilitate riots by allowing bishops and other religious figures to whip up their congregations into a furor in hopes that they would riot, destroying every pagan temple and statue they encountered along the way.
© Lastly, both misappropriate(d) ideas traditionally associated with their enemies that might be useful for furthering their cause, ultimately weaponizing them against said enemies. In the case of the early Christians, this was done primarily through the hijacking of Greco-Roman philosophical/metaphysical concepts and re-framing them through a Christian lens, with some Christian figures going as far as to claim that it was Moses, not Plato, who came up with the ideas discussed by the latter in his dialogues - these sorts of arguments were made to simultaneously (and paradoxically) show that the Greco-Roman religion they loathed was not so different from that which they adhered to (with the implication being that Pagans should simply convert because Christianity was basically just a better, more complete version of Greco-Roman paganism), but also that it was inferior to Christianity because the Greeks and Romans had essentially stumbled upon perennial truths that the Christians` predecessors, the Jews, had figured out long before. GNC`s proponents utilize a tactic that is eerily reminiscent of this, oftentimes proclaiming themselves to be the true heirs and defenders of Western political systems, values, and concepts such as "human rights" and "progress". They then proceed to use these concepts, values, ideas, etc. as bludgeons with which to beat Whites over the head despite the fact that many of these things were thought up by White men who never intended for them to be used to advance the rights of niggers, faggots, etc. (doing so by either ignoring the hypocrisy in this or acknowledging this and appealing to the "death of the author").
Differences:
1) Time at which we gained awareness of our problem - as mentioned in the introductory paragraph of this post, the final Pagan generation did not become aware of the dire nature of their situation until it was far too late. Many were caught up in the pursuit of wealth and power, while others simply failed to pay sufficient attention to the world around them until the changes that had occurred in their society could not go unnoticed any longer, and by this time, they were too old to do much about it. We white men differ from them in this regard, as we have had the fortune of noticing what is happening at a relatively young age and have already begun opposing it (though most of this opposition is admittedly limited to the virtual world). This is a massive whitepill, as it gives us a distinct advantage over our 4th c. Pagan counterparts because it is not quite too late for us to fix things.
I believe what was written above will suffice to start a conversation, and I do intend to come back to this post to further discuss the comparisons I`ve made and to expand upon them.
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