Are some seed/nut oils less toxic than others? Is it safe to eat a bunch of sunflower seeds, almonds, or walnuts so long as I avoid the seed-based cooking oils?
I remember some twitter thread about how Black Walnut Trees used to feed a lot of wild pigs in America, but then certain beetles killed off a bunch of the trees. The poaster lamented how people have less pigs to hunt in the wild now. But generally we also say seed oils are bad for you due to PUFAs. If so then eating anything that eats them in large quantities (toxins are stored in their fat) should be risky too right?
Don't have the integers at hand but I think you'd have to eat something like five digits of corn ears to ingest ~a cup of vegetable oil. Similar amounts for other plant oils. The danger lies in the distilled product, not the plant product itself (granted it doesn't contain too many harmful pesticides or whatnot).
(07-21-2023, 01:54 AM)genericMC Wrote: [ -> ]Are some seed/nut oils less toxic than others? Is it safe to eat a bunch of sunflower seeds, almonds, or walnuts so long as I avoid the seed-based cooking oils?
I remember some twitter thread about how Black Walnut Trees used to feed a lot of wild pigs in America, but then certain beetles killed off a bunch of the trees. The poaster lamented how people have less pigs to hunt in the wild now. But generally we also say seed oils are bad for you due to PUFAs. If so then eating anything that eats them in large quantities (toxins are stored in their fat) should be risky too right?
Seed oils are generally bad across the board, but they`re not as bad for you as grifters want you to think, especially if consumed in small quantities. A lot of the anti-seed oil shit is overblown and intended to get you to buy something, though this doesn`t mean that you shouldn`t try to limit your consumption of them as much as reasonably possible (no point in becoming neurotic about it or spending money that you don`t have to avoid them).
They`re far worse for your actual health (hormonal profile, heart function, gut health, etc.) than for your physique, so if you`re avoiding them mostly for reasons related to the latter, you`re probably worrying about something that you needn`t worry too much about. There are plenty of bodybuilders who guzzle seed oils like you wouldn`t believe, yet have physiques that you or I could only dream of having (though this is also attributable to steroid use in part).
Seed Oil hysteria is a kosher talking point. Feds/JIDF/other ZOG goons encourage idiots to screech about it in order to drown out discussion of more important topics.
Simple, easy rule of thumb for home-cooking:
Low-medium heat: Butter
Medium to high heat: Avocado oil, mix with butter if closer to medium
For outside food, you are always getting bogged one way or another.
Another easy, and important thing to avoid is artificial sweeteners. Recent sucralose news aside, sugar has always "appeared" better than all the sweetener types (largely because we understand sugar so there are no nasty surprises in store for you.) Many proteins, supplements are sweetened with sucralose. I recommend getting unflavored supplements and simply mixing in glycine (it is sweet itself and will sweeten a protein shake well.)
(07-21-2023, 01:51 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]Feds/JIDF/other ZOG goons encourage idiots to screech about it in order to drown out discussion of more important topics.
Not many people talk about seed oils outside of certain online communities (mainly niche-RW and leftist/hippie groups) and I doubt there is any outside power that would benefit from increasing a very small group of people obsessing about a food ingredient.
That being said, it probably has to do with the fact that the online right attracts a lot of hypochondriacs because RWs tend to use "purity" as an aesthetic which acts as a magnet for health nuts. I definitely think that the "right wing hippie" is an real subgroup which includes people like Neo-pagans, Ted Kaczynski fans, "esoteric fascists" and other people who are right-wing mainly because "corporate-leftism" is the dominant force in American culture.
I just remembered I can move threads. Let's put this somewhere less confusing.
(07-21-2023, 11:01 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ] (07-21-2023, 01:51 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]Feds/JIDF/other ZOG goons encourage idiots to screech about it in order to drown out discussion of more important topics.
Not many people talk about seed oils outside of certain online communities (mainly niche-RW and leftist/hippie groups) and I doubt there is any outside power that would benefit from increasing a very small group of people obsessing about a food ingredient.
I don't disagree, but I think more prominent figures prefer to focus on these safe topics because the other ones are prone to trigger backlash from the general public or institutions. Over time these topics are given undue weight and the original intent of the movement is hijacked.
In this sense anyone who relies on public perception tends to be gradually corrupted by the system even though they were not literally visited by feds.
Good rule of thumb, if an oil can be extracted without an elaborate industrial process - e.g. olive, coconut, avocado - then it's fine. Anti-seed-oilers verge into hysteria when they start saying olive oil or coconut oil are bad for you. Both are lindy
There are 2 basic reasons, why most seed oils are toxic to humans:
1.) High amount of PUFAs to make the fat available during low temperatures during germination. This is the same reason why fatty cold water fish, which should also not be consumed in large quantities, has lots of PUFA
2.) Toxins aimed at animals to prevent the seeds from being eaten.
The typical industrial processing of seed oils only covers point 2.).
Hydrogenation could cover 1.), but since saturated fat became unpopular as an effect of a marketing campaign, it isn't used very much anymore.
Coconut oil is a peculiar exception, because the metabolism of the palm tree happens at temperatures similar to our own and the protection of the seed is mainly fascilitated via a physical barrier, rather than nasty toxins.
Also, olive oil is not a seed oil.
It's extracted from the fruit flesh, not the seed.
This is why it's safe to eat immediately after mechanical extraction.
In practice, use milk fat (butter, cream, ghee), coconut oil, or, if you need something liquid at room temperature, use olive oil.
(07-21-2023, 01:51 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]Seed Oil hysteria is a kosher talking point. Feds/JIDF/other ZOG goons encourage idiots to screech about it in order to drown out discussion of more important topics.
Seed oil discourse is highly effective for spreading our ideas. It gives halfway normies a covert signal to show they’re on board with the other stuff without being explicit. Whether or not seed oils are *actually* that bad is secondary. To your point about “drowning out discussion”, I would rather someone focus on health than produce lackluster takes just to participate. If our ideas go wide, I think it’s important to push people away from engaging in politics directly where they might only do damage. Sol brah understands this dynamic well.