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DON’T READ THIS IF YOU HAVEN’T PLAYED UNDERTALE AND DELTARUNE.

“Indie Games” (Western Games outside of the sphere of multimedia holywood) are now solidly a big great cultural machine for PERVERTS. Perverts meaning, as Anthony says, a person interested in signaling towards a perceived desirable type of cool internet person before appreciation (to any degree, high or low).

These pervert games are the picking up of the raped and destroyed memories of older (usually but not always Japanese) works. The remains of these works are left that way by those that we’ll say have a…

Perverted Sentimentality.

They are not fans of the results of healthy culture, but instead fans of signaling.. Doom Eternal for the warehouse, Bomb Rush Cyberfunk for Negro-Japan, Milk Inside a Bag of Milk for Lainpilled Tranny, etc.



And lately, I’ve noticed… the Knights (descendants of the pro-gamergaters)... they’ve evolved. In this situation, into a sort of Neo-Knight, who are different from the standard Knights by fully accepting their unexpressed defeat in the early-stage gamergate. They’re fighting a guerilla war, their thing is not directly combating Anti-Gamergater descendants, but, as best exemplified by Running Shine and his copies, going after high value targets. The most often chosen example of which is Lord Toby Fox, their shared stand in for the Furry (the descendants of the anti-gamergaters) High Command. I’m hearing what they’re saying, the Knights are shouting over the walls: “he’s the one letting GAY invade video games, and his fans are the ones… uh…”

They don’t actually know how to put the problem they have with his fans. Nor the problem they have with “indie game fans” in general. But they do have a problem, and that problem is… a sort of botched version of the reason we’d call them “perverts”, that they think the fans of these games have accepted something lesser in the name of what *we* would call a Perversion, signaling towards an identity and going from there.

But to anyone who really cares about games, Toby Fox is obviously NOT one of these Perverts and not a member of the Furry High Command (and is actually their hostage), and even descending into the lowest class of the gamer masses, his games obviously don’t appeal as a product for perverts.. Why obviously? Because, can you name the constructed identity which his games are for? Can you name which Japanese tradition he tramples over, burns, and then rebuilds to be about trannies?


*Loud plate-armored rattling*

“Nay, nay, he took the SERIOUS genre of JRPGs, removed the ACTUAL GAMEPLAY, and made it all about FAGGOTS, BRUH!”



Let’s start with the scene that’s the easiest to interpret as an attempt by Anita Sarkeseean’s legions of hell to destroy video games for men: The Judgement Hall at the end where Sans tells you that LV means Level of Violence and XP means Execution points as some sort of “subversion” of “JRPG norms”. The gamergate Knight encampment wants to call this scene “Toby Fox judging the player for playing the Video Game like a REAL Video Game SHOULD be played”, taking a respected tradition and making it into a long form NAG, for you, the CHUD that must repent for his teenage video game violence…

Putting aside that taking nice clean Japanese game conventions and turning them into edgy blood covered emo secrets is as good of a transformation as you could hope for coming from an American taking over their tradition… is that really what’s happening here? Because to me, this seems a lot more like the surface level toying with “RPG conventions” is being used by someone who believes the power of children will save the world to pour his heart towards some faraway fuzzy thing and creating a compact multimedia drama with a range in possibility relative to the size of the space far greater than any game before it, absolute power, beauty, tragedy, the ability for love and death repeating but never forgotten.

By assigning weight to the life of every monster in the game, the game is doing the opposite of making it about “YOU, the player”, it’s diverging further into its own world, more idiosyncrasy, more of itself, its own sphere of culture. If you choose to play in the way that’s seen as some kind of inflamed red soyjak’s lament at video game violence, each character is still a digital doll who matters at least a little to the looping play that exists for itself and only for itself. Just one where war is chosen at every point. Nesisarily, absolute cruelty becomes a vital portion of the work’s being, and thus, the catalyst for greatest upturn in the use of the word Genocide this century, is born.



Looking forward at Deltarune... this Autarkic aspect becomes clear.

Sure, Undertale is the product of an Internet Culture, that of anti-gamergaters. But that’s only the origin point. The culture that he was slave traded into doesn’t stop his games from working on their own terms, by their own rules. With Deltarune, the baseline is there. Undertale is the anchor that lets his games exist for themselves completely. Most of the mechanics seem like the definition of contrived, until you consider God (Undertale) made them that way previously. The characters as well, they don’t exist as extensions of (((Worldbuilding))) a rule, or a trope, the game is the way it is because caring about the word of Toby Fox is the Rule the game rests on. And you must care about Toby Fox’s rule because he received the Ultimate Reward upon the completion of Undertale and created his new world.

“But Toby isn’t operating in his own world! He’s using his game to GUILT TRIP authentic enjoyers of CULTURE, He’s saying: Oh, what if niggers on the streets of Grand Theft Auto had FEELINGS, do you feel bad now? Chud? See??”



There are no niggers in Undertale.

This “how did the developer use X to mean Y” framework is working on a lower level of culture than Undertale. When you live based on the memes of others, you become a Furry or a Knight, and when you make your fiction based on the memes of others, you get stuck within the ghetto they have built around you. But… if you make fiction within the sphere of your own self, if you declare yourself God Emperor of the Universe, then fiction can become a plane higher than our reality. A vision of something beyond life.

So if the problem with making "media that is about things, using X to mean Y" is that it just means the work is pointless unless used as a vegetable shaped puzzle-box to unlock gender communism skill points, then doing what he is, and making a follow up game that is so autarkic that it exists as its own culture that’s about how creating fiction opens up worlds that can be on the same plane as ours, or even more important, is not just clearly transcending this slave obedience to “real fuggin world issues”, it’s the way you beat them at their own game.


But is Toby Fox going to endorse a great hero, or even Anthony, for that matter?



Probably not.

But that begs the questions, if making a work like that basically leaves the stage open for what you believe the purpose of a World is, then what the hell do you fill it with besides Hitler?



Is W.D. Gaster going to be a “tumblr daddy” in Deltarune, or is he going to have autism and make the first blip of Entry 17’s smile.ogg when he gets brought pasta without the cheese off of it at the restaurant? Personally, I’d prefer the latter. Which will probably not happen do to the “media literate minded” lackeys that you surround yourself with. But more importantly than that, Toby, I’d prefer you went all the way down this road of free, unburdened vision, Toby…

I want you to endorse Hitler.

I want you to break free from the stifling pastel stalinist Jailors that you find yourself surrounded by now. These Furries, who by the way have *never* said “Rawr”, cause they’re Perverts, the sexual kind, but also more importantly the kind that prostrate themselves before a nonexistent original cool authentic appreciator of a thing that forms a direct line to trannies, and thus burn and salt the earth to have (the ruined version of) the thing for themselves. This is their Perverted Sentimentality, they’re so worthless that they must destroy what could be loved and convince you that’s the way it always was.

Prepare for the horrors...



This is who they are, these are the trannies that call themselves Furries (different from the way we call them furries) and hating the human freedom that could give rise to a beautiful version of such a thing. They are HR managers forcing the noble strong few that created this culture into the dark so they can live off the afterimage forever, and you must excise them.



That term I’ve used, Perverted Sentimentality… that’s Toby’s Term. Yes, *Toby Fox* predicted perverts, Toby Fox predicted Bomb Rush Cyberfunk. Of course, Toby isn’t a moron, and so Chara here isn’t talking to The Player. He’s talking to character you play as, the one that has created and re created the world several times just to destroy it all again.

But if we consider the Knight’s path, what then does thus perverted sentimentality mean applied to the player instead of the protagonist? Well the Knights themselves seem to think this is Toby judging you to dare to replay a game, but to me… the intentional destruction of a fictional world, and it’s subsequent soulless recreation, sounds a lot to me like what the Developers of Bomb Rush Cyberfunk did to Jet Set Radio. Those are the same people who burned and salted the earth, made their own copy with the lack of heart creeping to the surface and all. E-Girl smiles, and the cruel masses rejoice, human culture can now continue to be the reproduction of what was only understood by the noble few that we trampled and beat for the next 1000 years.

Hbomberguy’s undertale video, titled “perverted sentimentality” is him saying that toby fox is saying that *caring about things* is good even if the thing is *cringe* like *anime* because it’s not gritty like real life (toby fox believes in the bar like me too okay) but if you care TOO much you’re like, weird, so we should all appreciate things vicariously through fourteen year old girls that used tumblr 10 years ago but not because they’re 14 year old girls but because trannies who think they are the descendants of them think saying rawr is quaint (they don’t actually say rawr, because they’re pretending to be women and women hate human freedom). And if THAT’S not a PERVERTED SENTIMENTALITY, then I don’t know what is.

Listen HeilNiggersguy. I want The Hitler, I want absolute freedom, the power to exist completely above the world and have it as the product of my will. Your political project is chaining yourself to the gas chamber operating lever so that nobody can be free from nagging for as long as time lasts.

...

So… does Toby Fox want that, does he want a world of nagged slaves?



It’s like this image, a very charming image. This Deltarune Theory youtuber’s Trigger Warning sort of screen. If you’re fighting the war for the side of the Furry or the Knight, then this looks like a Culture War cannon barrage. But… if you place yourself above these two sides, then you can see what it really is, an accidental, failed attempt at nagging due to cultural pastiche.

By not declaring yourself God Emperor of the universe, above the commoner masses, you can only self insert as a ghetto trench warrior on either side of a war between low cultures. From above,  from the higher culture that exists by excluding itself, it’s apparent this guy has no venom in him, he’s just part of an inferior culture, for him this *is* a plea for a kinder, softer world. And… if you simply… eliminated the slave caste, then this screen would be unneeded, there would be no useless worms in need of pity for their ugliness. The creator of this screen could be free to be even weirder with no pushback, as a healthy shining part of a healthy shining culture.

This reactionary paranoia is the death sentence to the understanding of anything. Undertale is not a product of *the internet* that subverts *normalcy* by covertly trying to get us to accept the Civil Rights Act under the disguise of colorful video game souls (“See, see! Everyone has a SOUL, this game is doing a heckin niggercommunism!”), it’s the export of someone who can’t help but feel the Hitleric purity of children and endless positive feedback loop of human freedom from inside the walls of the Anti-Gamergate cultural prison.

Freedom… that’s the point of any of this…

The Freedom…

the power of Absolute Freedom forever…

Humans and Furries after Godhood...

Hitler.

Toby Fox has a deeply innocent soul. His work is beautiful, and the only reason it’s not perceived so is because clouded souls view it through cataracts. He’s similar to Holowka but not as prone to TIGnigger subversion.

I can finally justify keeping this forum alive

 Art does not truly exist in a vacuum from audience. When Pablo Picasso purposefuly started putting out awful works, he did so with the reaction of critics in mind, his gimmick rendered pointless without the knowledge that he is indeed a classically trained painter and is capable of traditionally beautiful pieces, but chose to intentionally make bad art. Picasso was selling the character of Pablo Picasso. All of this with calculated awareness. There is also "outsider art", of course. That which we understand as art coming from the mentally retarded. Usually some Progerial Mongoloid smearing feces in the wall of an asylum.
On the internet we're exposed to outsider art almost as commonly as real art. Sonic the Hedgehog's crinkled toes, Fluttershy's diaper filled to the brim, Minecraft Steve pregnant with a loaf of wonderbread... So on and so forth. The line becomes blurred. Not too difficult to understand why. Here the perverts have free access to all matter of resources and tutelage. Those with the mental faculties strong enough to take advantage of that can often live out the rest of their lives making money out of furry fart porn commissions. The reach of these outsider artists is on all corners of the internet. Christian Weston Chandler is a character with a biographical archive that surpasses even Napoleon. They have audience, which the outsider artist in the form of a Progerial Mongoloid in an asylum does not, albeit you could draw comparisons between Deviantart and the walls of the cafeteria that serve as the canvas for the shit smear paintings. With other deficient inmates serving as the main appreciators of the culture.  
The reason why art does not exist in a vacuum from it's audience, is that without any witnesses, art is indifferent from any other thought inside your head. If you were the last man on Earth, there might be no difference between building the tower of Babel and thinking about doing it. That is not to say that what you do, you do for others solely. But that the process of art is characterized heavily by this relationship. An artist may make art that he considers to be "for himself" without caring about mass-appeal, but unless he is some comically antisocial sort, to the point of parody. And keeps his art hidden from the eyes of the world forever, or destroys it like a Buddhist mandala (at which point it might as well never have existed.) He is releasing that art with the understanding that there's a good chance someone else on the planet might find it agreeable.
In the previously mentioned example of Christian Weston Chandler, we see a much less capable artist than the subject of the thread, Chris-Chan's drawing skills never much improved, neither did his writing, no matter how much work he put out. This is probably some affectation of his mental faculties, something which I am not medically knowledgeable enough to talk about. But his art is not alien, it is an amalgam of things that are recognizable. Art which has touched Chris somewhere in his primitive autistic brain, and become part of his autistic inner world. And that he wants to reproduce (and reproduce with), Perhaps just a primal apeing of sorts, an unintentional mimicking caused by faulty programming in the autistic brain. Or maybe there is some genuine aRtistic drive, which Chris, in his state, is not capable of fulfilling. In many ways Chris-Chan is not fully a man. And as such he is a slave to causality. Chris is a pervert, and one very close to the first example of outsider art given in this text. As such, he will never consciously be attracted to some characteristic of art, without a will, he might never understand why it is that Sonic's simple shape and bright colors tittilate him so. He just has a natural feeling for the fact that Sonic's arms ARE NOT BLUE. 
On the other corner, we have the subject of this thread: Toby Fox. Now, Toby is very far from the Progerial Mongoloid.
One might say that he is not retarded at all even, he is no "outsider" artist. And indeed, I think that the comparison has never been drawn outside of this text.
(Toby Fox has probably never been called a retard in earnest, maybe reasonably often as an insult.)
Far from the never-growing, always-descending CWC, Toby Fox is somewhat of a prolific auteur, an upstart in the indie scene, with a prodigious background of fan-content, he has reached the aspiration of perhaps every "outsider artist" as they idly draw Sonic the Hedgehog's crinkled toes, Fluttershy's diaper and pregnant Minecraft Steve. He has gotten acknowledgement for his art directly from an obvious wellspring of inspiration for him. Nintendo. His original character and music have been featured in a first-party Nintendo game. And he has been invited to compose an original track for a Pokemon game. That is, he has worked on a Nintendo video game. Not for Nintendo as a 2-bit code monkey, but as a conscious artist, rather than a tool. ON a game.   
As such, he is most capable of standing trial. (Something which CWC has done in actuality.)
It is clear from Undertale that Toby Fox is a particularly clever man, his game doesn't just subvert the standard tropes of the genre in a concise way that makes sense, both contextually via gameplay, and also thematically, fitting in with the morals and story displayed. But it also subverts the player expectations at every turn. (Although at this point every Indie game feels proud for being the first game ever to have Psycho Mantis read your memory card)
The opening post of this thread is correct in pointing out that Undertale's video game aspects are not a detriment to it's artistry in any way. Even if you disagree with (which I do) and even sneer at the moral proposal behind the main gameplay mechanic, the application alone should redeem it from a game-design perspective. Undertale is a witty game from the ground up.
And it is this same Fox-like wit that reveals Toby as a pervert. For he is not an innocent Progerial Mongoloid who is puppeteered by forces beyond his understanding to smear feces on the wall in odd patterns. He is a conscious man, one who knows what the audience expects. Very much unlike the inner-focused autist, Toby has the empathetic intelligence required to simulate the minds and feelings of others and as such probe for which stimuli is demanded to reach the desired outcome. He consciously puts a gay dating segment in his game. Toby's renaissance-man prodigiousness and herculean effort in game production only incriminating him more, not just guilty via association, but the perpetrator of the crime. On this note I accuse Toby Fox. Of being a pervert.
When he makes Tove Jansson-inspired character who is called a "fluffy boy" and prompted to kiss the player character on the lips, It is a conscious act by Toby Fox. Silhouetted against his background, he is an easy target to shoot with this word: FAGGOT.

His games are ugly, I do not play ugly games. If you do play ugly games, let alone praise them, then...
It's very simple and requires nothing more. Billions...(In this case I assume millions but I do not know the numbers.)

Toby Fox prior to Undertale was involved enough with fandom, and demonstrated enough self-awareness in Undertale's writing to prove incontrovertibly that knew exactly what he was doing when he designed those gay furry bait characters. Undertale has just the right proportions of gameplay, lore, humor, sexuality, edginess, and wholesome vibes to provide the optimal nutritional profile for a diverse and thriving bacterial colony of a fandom. His goal was to make another Homestuck-grade money pinata except not be a retard and fuck everything up, and he succeeded. It's kind of nice that the game lets you kill everyone if you hate the characters, though I suspect that element is only there for edgy points and you're supposed to be charmed by them. Also, Undyne and Suzie are nigger-coded.

God, I was writing this post for fucking hours 2 days ago, so I lost a ton of sleep, and then I had to do a long ass military/suicide service yesterday, so I passed out for like 12 hours— the result of this is a bunch of lazy faggots have come in to snipe OP without any actual discussion forming.
Please, you LAZY RETARDS, this isn't YWNBAWchannel, nor is it Twitter— this is a FORUM, that means LONGFORM. Jokes shouldn't be TL;DR, obviously, but if the only thing you want to do is snipe, fire at journalists and government staff on X.com, ANYWAYS...

I'm glad someone other than me has finally bothered to write a TL;DR about anything they have personal connection to (as in, break the BORING AS FUCK chain of college Zoomers writing everything in STEMcel essay format— YOU'RE NOT IN FUCKING SCHOOL HERE, LEAVE THE JAIL RETARDS, CO'S BUSY WATCHING BLACKED.COM ON THE TALMUDVISION IN THE PANOPTICON).

To this extent, this is one of the best threads on the forum.

Unfortunately, this OP is completely fucking retarded, so I will now (CONTINUE TO) waste hours taking it apart alongside other retardation in this thread, while I wait for a late-night business call. (It never came through.)

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] “Indie Games” (Western Games outside of the sphere of multimedia holywood) are now solidly a big great cultural machine for PERVERTS. Perverts meaning, as Anthony says, a person interested in signaling towards a perceived desirable type of cool internet person before appreciation (to any degree, high or low). [...]

I would like to come in here and explain his definition of "pervert" by this description. I don't know that I would agree with "pervert" as synonymous with "poser"— although there is significant crossover from my observations of both categories. The primary one being monomania— what allows dictionary definition posers to 'flourish' and take stranglehold of everything is their monomaniacal (masturbation ODC faggotry) focus, which easily beats out (in a society that forces the born-valuable to compete in the Colosseum with each other and subhumans like nigger slave cattle) the impulses and behavior of actual artists, who are by nature extremely fickle and largely unfocused (some odd talented fetish artists like H.R. Giger can channel their OCD into something productive, the Japanese are typically the best at this as seen often in manga).

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] These pervert games are the picking up of the raped and destroyed memories of older (usually but not always Japanese) works. The remains of these works are left that way by those that we’ll say have a…

Perverted Sentimentality.

They are not fans of the results of healthy culture, but instead fans of signaling.. [...]

They're fans of fandom, yes. The thing they're attracted to is social capitol in various emergent forms— socialites. I agree that for "fandom" (as we understand it colloquially) to exist, sentimentality around something must become perverted— this is not to decry "fans" period, as I often discuss healthy trajectory and cross-cultural exchange on this dogshit forum— but that "fandom" is inherently bad, and only an expression of "perverted sentimentality" or similar and related degenerate forms of thought.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] Doom Eternal for the warehouse, Bomb Rush Cyberfunk for Negro-Japan, Milk Inside a Bag of Milk for Lainpilled Tranny, etc. [...]

The only one of these properly defined is maybe the last one, because I barely know WTF it is (I first saw it in Anthony's post about SphereHunter so that's all it is to me forever, is there anything interesting in this game?)— so I can give you the benefit of the doubt that you're correctly slotting it.

DOOM Eternal has no connection to sentimentality, it's a 56%er metalcore conservatard game for the consumer masses who don't want or like change ("Mexicans")— Boltgun would be warehouse-sentimental.

Bomb Rush Cyberfuck is not in reference to "Negro-Japan" you retard, that isn't what JGR/JSRF are— BRC is based on the hallucination of that being the case in a world where "Y2k" is being merged with BLM by New-Normalfag Zoomer dipshits— don't fall into that trap.
I'd tell you not to allow your enemies to define your language internally to this degree, but most likely you thought this naturally (still through social osmosis) because you're uncritical: I explained the specifics of that here— SEGA was pushing westaboo for Y2k (which they had been doing since the '80s) because the import scene was hot— they were making dramatically more money in America, especially with the dollar to yen conversion:





As such, their westaboo included negrophilia as Americans have a natural propensity, even before ZOG's meddling (but we can still blame The Jews for everything, because they deserve it and it's funny), for wiggerdom (that is to say this is an AMERICAN issue not a JAPANESE one):



http://www.skagitriverjournal.com/wa/kin...stapp.html

"Boy howdy, I sure do hate those dang NIGGERS! Hate 'em so much I want you walk through BIG FAT FUCKING NIGGER HOTDOG LIPS every time you come into my here res-taur-ant, y'hear?"

Gee, looking at this, it's almost like AMERICANS WERE BORN RETARDED. Yeah, don't get me wrong, obviously ZOG made this WAY worse— I would prefer to walk through the big-fat-fucking-nigger-hotdog-lips (BFFNHLs for short) knowing I'm surrounded by white people in a white society, but I'd REALLY prefer if this GARBAGE didn't exist in the fucking FIRST PLACE.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] And lately, I’ve noticed… the Knights (descendants of the pro-gamergaters)... they’ve evolved. In this situation, into a sort of Neo-Knight, who are different from the standard Knights by fully accepting their unexpressed defeat in the early-stage gamergate. They’re fighting a guerilla war, their thing is not directly combating Anti-Gamergater descendants, but, as best exemplified by Running Shine and his copies, going after high value targets. The most often chosen example of which is Lord Toby Fox, their shared stand in for the Furry (the descendants of the anti-gamergaters) High Command. I’m hearing what they’re saying, the Knights are shouting over the walls: “he’s the one letting GAY invade video games, and his fans are the ones… uh…”

They don’t actually know how to put the problem they have with his fans. [...]

WTF are you talking about you retard? First off, you're using language my friend invented you learned from Anthony, except unlike Anthony who has remarkably high linguistic control (and understood these concepts instantenously), you have none.
Yes, knights represent pro-GG and furfaggots represent anti-GG, that part is approximately correct (as it groups "SJWs", troons, and etc. under furfaggotry which is the central culture for them), no "neo-knights" is not a distinct category or change— you don't like that a Jewish Faillennial furfaggot interloper like Toby Fags is being rightfully shit on and are twisting language into a balloon animal to play the victim (which you would be correct about in a larger sense).
Though even in that, I don't know WTF you're talking about, who doesn't like Undertale? It was a massive success and Toby Fags will never be poor again. Who is punishing this guy in any capacity?

You're filling the role of your predecessor Soyllennial furfaggots perfectly (or should I say PURRfectly, no I shouldn't because cats are not a popular furry animal as furfaggotry has to do with SNOUTS, something YOU like, I will come back to this later)— looking for opportunities to be a victim where none exist:



https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/BAWWWWW!

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ]I’m hearing what they’re saying, the Knights are shouting over the walls: “he’s the one letting GAY invade video games, and his fans are the ones… uh…”[/size]

They don’t actually know how to put the problem they have with his fans. [...]

If you can't define what your proposed opponent's argument is, especially when they are unable to, you don't know any more than them. I want to go over this line specifically— yes, room temperature IQ nigger retard knights cannot articulate what their instincts tell them, because they are (degenerate) warrior caste who don't possess internal thought in the way you or I do (this isn't me arbitrarily complimenting you, or trying to soften what I'm saying, I want you to understand that I don't necessarily think you're STUPID, just that you're WRONG), as theory and hesitation obstructs reflexes during combat— this is the only aspect of this concept which you can parse.

Toby Fags crime is infecting Japan:



The reason YOU don't understand this any better than the knights do is because YOU are just as fucking RETARDED as they are, even though you are a different type of person— one who seemingly hates Japan just as much by supporting LITERALLY JEWISH POZ infiltration of the last country on earth that still matters.
The knights don't say "Toby Fags is fucking up Japan" because they LIKE when western POZ enters Japan, JUST LIKE YOU— unlike you, they would be most happy if Japan was a slave-nation (51st State of the USA) under the Global MCU churning out capeshit for all of eternity. That detail makes them debatably worse, but insignificantly different.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] Nor the problem they have with “indie game fans” in general. But they do have a problem, and that problem is… a sort of botched version of the reason we’d call them “perverts”, that they think the fans of these games have accepted something lesser in the name of what *we* would call a Perversion, signaling towards an identity and going from there. [...]

It's extremely difficult to make any sense of this post because of how badly all of this is written.

Yes, knights instinctively look for "degeneracy" to fight with, this more often than not leads them to attacking artists for being different, which is why knights belong in bondage to only act as the hammer for an ARTIST— the higher caste of human species that is in touch with God (y'know, HITLER).
You partially understand this concept, but ultimately want to apply it in defense of people who are ultimately anti-art (antifascist) themselves, which the knights under better circumstances would be antibodies against.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] But to anyone who really cares about games, Toby Fox is obviously NOT one of these Perverts and not a member of the Furry High Command (and is actually their hostage), and even descending into the lowest class of the gamer masses, [...]

WTF are you talking about "hostage"? Are you physically incapable of understanding the concept of responsibility? The mental gymnastics you're doing to defend this faggot are incredible, it's no wonder you like furfaggotry so much with a brain that's as malleable as yours.

Let me actually explain to you what a furry is, I'm not going to bother linking to my TL;DR post since you clearly can't fucking read, but I will repost two excerpts:

WikiFur Wrote:Mark Merlino is one of the founding members of the furry fandom, along with his long time partner Rod O'Riley, describing himself as the 'Father of the Furry Fandom' in his Oklacon 2004 panel "History of Fur". He got into the fandom in 1971 by meeting science fiction convention attendees with an interest in animal characters. He was one of the founders of the Cartoon/Fantasy Organization and by 1985 he organized the first furry room parties, most notably at Westercon, which, due to their growing attendance, lead to the creation of a newsletter and two magazines. In 1982 he created the first furry BBS, Tiger's Den.

SCIENCE FICTION CONVENTION.

(05-12-2023, 11:34 AM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ][...] This, of course, is why furries are some of the most vulnerable people on the internet. Even just with online bantz, it takes very little to wound them or cause psychic harm. The digital spaces they inhabit comprise the entirety of the identity, and their flesh is nothing more than a petulant reminder that they cannot become their text.

A furry is a degenerate engineer, because the basement level on what a "furry" is, is logocentrism— this is why the troon is the descendant of the furry, because all of it is rooted in a fixation on THEORY and a DENIAL of sensory perception of life. It is TALMUDIC, the RABBI tells you "Don't trust your lying eyes" and instead to listen to his WORDS.

Furries are not a type of artist (this is the largest misconception, coming originally from ancient knights on 4chan, that I have been fighting for eons), "at best" (I'd rather they not) they can be a type of craftsman (because this is the engineering cross-section):



In this documentary, a lot of time is spent with whatever that faggots name is who makes the fursuits. He goes over the EXTREME technical complexity of the techniques and even thought process of building these things at a replicable scale— that is to say, this guy knows more about computers or STEM shit than I do by a lot. The reason I bring this up, is because furries are extremely overrepresented in STEM and NOT the arts:



https://www.inverse.com/input/features/f...ontroversy

Did you know a furry helped develop the Vax?

Inverse Wrote:[...] As she progressed through school, Chise (her online pseudonym) adjusted course, getting into molecular and cellular biology. “I was always really interested in viruses and moved my way into vaccine development,” she says via Zoom.

Today, she’s in her thirties and, as she’s publicly stated before, was involved in the development of the Moderna coronavirus vaccine, which is being injected into the arms of tens of millions of people worldwide. (Input has confirmed her connection to Moderna; she’s asked that certain other professional and biographical information be withheld due to fears of doxxing.)

But one element of Chise’s young life stuck with her: her interest in the whimsical, animal characters she encountered in Disney movies. Six years ago, a former lab colleague introduced her to the anthropomorphic community, commonly known as furries, which involves people taking on the persona of animals, often spending thousands of dollars on detailed suits and attending conferences to socialize with fellow furries. [...]

According to you, this is the type of person we should be protecting from the knighttards.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] his games obviously don’t appeal as a product for perverts.. [...]

https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=undertale+&pid=33684

33,684 pages currently.

Sorry, since I was writing this the other day it's GONE UP:

https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s...&pid=33768

33,768 as of 9/16/23— 84 pages up since the other day.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] Because, can you name the constructed identity which his games are for? Can you name which Japanese tradition he tramples over, burns, and then rebuilds to be about trannies? [...]

Yes, you fucking invalid— anthropomorphization:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsukumogami

You suffer from the problem most Zoomers do— visual illiteracy (stemming from fixation on more base forms of art like writing and music)— giving you similar perception as 3rd worlders. You cannot grasp differentiation between qualities of things, even conceptually. Furthermore, you have no business trying to represent Japan through kike trash when you clearly know NOTHING about Japan. The recurring problem in your entire post is you have NO IDEA WHAT WORDS MEAN. "Japan" is a positive invocation, so is "Hiter", they don't MEAN anything to you, they're just fucking MEMES that you spit out arbitrarily when talking about any given subject to add emphasis.

The Japanese, unlike Americans or even Europeans, have a longstanding tradition of anthropomorphization in art and folklore:



Y'know that real popular manga, Chainsaw Man? I haven't read it, but I want to bring up Fujimoto as a contemporary example of what I'm talking about:



https://twitter.com/nagayama_koharu/stat...1249590277

This is 21st century Tsukumogami, where mass media and industrial society have added new iconography to Japanese anthropomorphization:



To clarify, I am not saying "object heads" are inherently unfurry:



I'm saying that most people in the west deserve ZOG to shit poison down their throats, and if ZOG wasn't there to do it, they'd do it themselves. We see this every single day. Jews primarily prey on the naturally horrific and disgusting impulses of the public, they're given more credit than they deserves as architects of misery, when they're really just lowly manipulators. If they had the gift of creation, they wouldn't be the way they are.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ]*Loud plate-armored rattling*

“Nay, nay, he took the SERIOUS genre of JRPGs, removed the ACTUAL GAMEPLAY, and made it all about FAGGOTS, BRUH! [...]”

God DAMMIT you are SO fucking retarded, stop using any terminology I use.

KNIGHTS HATE JAPAN, knights DON'T LIKE ANIME you FUCKING RETARD. Lumpen DON'T LIKE FINE THINGS, LUMPEN DON'T LIKE JAPAN. The reason knights like "gameplay" (the only part of this your barely functioning mind can comprehend) is because IT'S THE PART THAT SUCKS. They like MECHANICAL REPETITION, WORK SIMULATION— they HATE LUXURY AND FINE THINGS. You are misusing this term the same way people misuse "Norwood", and unlike Mikka I will tell people that fuck things up they are WRONG. "Knight" is not a stand-in for "faggot" (although they are a kind of faggot, in the way that faggotry is common among lower classes and lesser races) i.e., person-I-dislike, it is a specific caste of person visible in all races and societies throughout human history.

Either quit the internet, or LEARN TO READ.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] Let’s start with the scene that’s the easiest to interpret as an attempt by Anita Sarkeseean’s legions of hell to destroy video games for men: The Judgement Hall at the end where Sans tells you that LV means Level of Violence and XP means Execution points as some sort of “subversion” of “JRPG norms”. The gamergate Knight encampment wants to call this scene “Toby Fox judging the player for playing the Video Game like a REAL Video Game SHOULD be played”, taking a respected tradition and making it into a long form NAG, for you, the CHUD that must repent for his teenage video game violence… [...]

Correct, which is what it is— pathological Jewish Millennial Troll's Remorse hick reactionary response to a lifetime of playing "violent videogames". Stop mythologizing a non-existent bully character that's a combination of different people that don't act or think the same.

Jesus Christ, why is it that Zoomers ONLY like the SHITTIEST fucking GARBAGE my generation has put out? Well, it's not entirely your fault— any good artists, such as myself, are gatekept from this industry BY knights, Toby Fags, AND Anita (who is the smartest of these 3 groups or people). You can't grasp this because you have a nostalgic umbilical connection to shit you're unwilling to sever for the same reason Faillennials can't admit that shit they ate over 9,001 years ago in the '90s was primarily concocted by ZOG.
Desperate attempts to return to childhood (self-infantilization) are bad in any form, any era, throughout history.
This is not a rejection of youth— what makes teenagers powerful is their hormonal insanity, that they are NOT children anymore, they are the new form channeling frightening energy from outside of themselves. This is not to shit on children either, who are pure and exist in a highly creative unknowing state— it is to differentiate the two, as they are NOT the same.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] Putting aside that taking nice clean Japanese game conventions and turning them into edgy blood covered emo secrets is as good of a transformation as you could hope for coming from an American taking over their tradition… [...]

I would agree with this if it was true, but this is another case of you not knowing what words mean. Can you tell me what "emo" means? I don't think you can, because you use it as a replaceable term for "edgy", which while partially correct, does not get at the actual root of what "emo" means. "Emo", in the way you mean to use it (mall emo, Hot Topic shit), has a specific connotation of HETEROSEXUAL ROMANCE (y'know, like ANIME), particularly hyper-hormonal teenage lust/love:



All the "romance" in Undertale is camp, an intentional (reactionary and self flagellatory) mockery of the idea of taking yourself or your feelings seriously. What you WANT Undertale to be, and what you are PROJECTING into it are COMPLETELY different things. The things you are projecting into it are BETTER than the thing itself is, at this point YOU should just make a game that is not the LIE you are telling about Undertale, as it would be a better fucking game~HaHA.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] is that really what’s happening here? Because to me, this seems a lot more like the surface level toying with “RPG conventions” is being used by someone who believes the power of children will save the world [...]

Toby Fags does believe that children will save the world, from racism.

The issue, if you could separate Japan from Korea or Mexico, is this is not the same as someone like SWERY65 basing his understanding of Americans on Twin Peaks (Lynch being a Finn who operates similarly to a Japanese person trying to find the best in everyone without ZOG'd pathology) due to its groundbreaking success overseas and projecting that image of America into Red Seeds Profile. Toby cannot even bear to have us killing or interacting with humans, everything must be reduced to shit for toddlers for cheap subversion to trigger you into crying because you killed a bunch of cartoons, so how can we consider any of this to be "humanizing" or even about anything human?

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] to pour his heart towards some faraway fuzzy thing and creating a compact multimedia drama with a range in possibility relative to the size of the space far greater than any game before it, absolute power, beauty, tragedy, the ability for love and death repeating but never forgotten. [...]

I would like you to list some other games you like, because I can only imagine someone that lives inside of a fishbowl saying this. I do not think there is a single thing in Undertale which was not lifted EXCLUSIVELY from Japanese games. But let's double check:

Nintendo Everything Wrote:[...] The ACT and MERCY commands were inspired by Shin Megami Tensei. I played just a bit of that game and loved talking to the monsters in it. Since I liked it so much, I decided I wanted to make a game where that was actually the main focus.

I guess you could say the theme is “determination,” but you could also say it’s “hang out with monsters and try not to cry.”

Didn’t you say before that you were influenced by Japanese games?

I’m influenced by every game I like – for example, EarthBound, Shin Megami Tensei, Mario & Luigi, Touhou Project, etc. I guess as a specific example, I really liked how Metal Gear Solid had all these strange, game-breaking moments within the series. It feels like it’s saying, “You don’t have to follow the rules… actually, it’s more interesting when you don’t.” And, “The game design can be part of the story, too.” So thanks, Hideo Kojima. Though, you probably aren’t reading this.

What games are you playing now?

On the plane over here I just finished playing Celeste. It’s a really great 2D platformer with a lot of polish. [...]

https://nintendoeverything.com/undertale...-and-more/

The reason I clipped it the way I did, is that he goes from basically a list of good games (except Touhou, which is completely boring, SHMUPs are for autistic masturbation addict retards and poor people) into Celeste, so we see that his prior inspirations are Japanese, all the things YOU are complimenting are just Jewish theft of Japanese ideas compacted into a shittier body filled with American garbage.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] By assigning weight to the life of every monster in the game, the game is doing the opposite of making it about “YOU, the player”, it’s diverging further into its own world, more idiosyncrasy, more of itself, its own sphere of culture. [...] Nesisarily, absolute cruelty becomes a vital portion of the work’s being, and thus, the catalyst for greatest upturn in the use of the word Genocide this century, is born. [...]

The reason "weight" is assigned to every monster in the game is for the sake of pathologizing you, the reason "cruelty" exists in the game is towards it's ultimate hopepunk goal of accepting trans rights and furfaggotry. The "point" of the game is about embracing "cringe culture":

https://twitter.com/IzzzyzzzArt/status/1...6896963584

It's kind of impossible to articulate to you why any of this is bad, because functionally you consider stolen valor to be real culture. You understand you could go to any communist shithole on the internet and everyone would already think all the same shit you do, right?

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] Sure, Undertale is the product of an Internet Culture, [...]

Undertale is not really a product "of" Internet Culture, it is a reaction to Internet Culture— it exists as a coping mechanism for Toby to work out what he considers to be his past sins on the internet, it is entirely representative of this, which is why the central themes of the game are penance and remorse.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] The characters as well, they don’t exist as extensions of (((Worldbuilding))) a rule, or a trope, [...]

The entire game is worldbuilding and tropes. That is what Toby Fags likes, that is why he liked Homestuck, and even MOTHER. He is someone who is very clearly attracted to endless lore and everything that comes with it.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] the game is the way it is because caring about the word of Toby Fox is the Rule the game rests on. And you must care about Toby Fox’s rule because he received the Ultimate Reward upon the completion of Undertale and created his new world.

“But Toby isn’t operating in his own world! He’s using his game to GUILT TRIP authentic enjoyers of CULTURE, He’s saying: Oh, what if niggers on the streets of Grand Theft Auto had FEELINGS, do you feel bad now? Chud? See??” [...]

That is exactly what he's doing. He either thought about that as a retarded child and carried it with him into his non-adulthood, or he read some teary-eyed faggot on the internet describing that and decided to retroactively add it to his personality. Again, you're just saying words. You're pointing out what Toby Fags does preemptively to, what? Make it so no one can point this out? This isn't a defense of what he's doing and this doesn't obscure it either.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ]This “how did the developer use X to mean Y” framework is working on a lower level of culture than Undertale. When you live based on the memes of others, you become a Furry or a Knight, [...]

This is becoming the dumbest post on this retarded fucking forum. Fuck you , don't think I forgot when you voted no in my anime poll when this forum was new. Anonymous NEVAR FORGIVES & NEVAR 4GETS.

Again, you completely fail to understand this terminology. Furries and knights are not opposed to each other aesthetically, they Venn Diagram into each other at minimum 50%, the overlap is WHY they fight so much. Also, because you are a newfag furry, you don't understand that contrarianism is part of furry culture (because furry culture is downstream from TWO FAGGOTS FROM CALIFORNIA, and "gay culture" is just career contrarianism).

Yeah, "Hitler is when we're all retards that like furry cartoons designed by and for communists", that's news to me! Here I was thinking "Hitler" is when you fuck teenaged girls and cut up niggers, spics, faggots, and Jews with buckshot! Apparently, I missed the memo or forgot— guess I'm losing my memory in my old age~HaHA.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] and when you make your fiction based on the memes of others, you get stuck within the ghetto they have built around you. But… if you make fiction within the sphere of your own self, if you declare yourself God Emperor of the Universe, then fiction can become a plane higher than our reality. A vision of something beyond life. [...]

I agree completely, this again however, doesn't apply to Toby Fags, basically any Jew, and not even very many Americans.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] I want you to endorse Hitler. [...]

I am getting tired of repeatedly pointing out that this entire post is projection and nothing else, I will begin skipping ahead.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] I want you to break free from the stifling pastel stalinist Jailors that you find yourself surrounded by now. [...]

I want you to stop fucking projecting.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...]  These Furries, who by the way have *never* said “Rawr”, [...]

"Rawr" means I love you in dinosaur', it was stolen from mall emos— yes.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] cause they’re Perverts, the sexual kind, but also more importantly the kind that prostrate themselves before a nonexistent original cool authentic appreciator of a thing that forms a direct line to trannies, and thus burn and salt the earth to have (the ruined version of) the thing for themselves. This is their Perverted Sentimentality, they’re so worthless that they must destroy what could be loved and convince you that’s the way it always was. [...]

You're over emphasizing "perverts", I'll get to this ultimately being a defense of your latent homosexuality later. What you just described is again Toby Fags and everything he stands for, the only reason you want to separate him from any of these other identical faggots is because of nostalgia.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ]Prepare for the horrors...



This is who they are, these are the trannies that call themselves Furries (different from the way we call them furries) and hating the human freedom that could give rise to a beautiful version of such a thing. They are HR managers forcing the noble strong few that created this culture into the dark so they can live off the afterimage forever, and you must excise them.

Do you know what school hazel went to, in Petaluma? I do, because you learned about this from Anthony, from me. Your entire argument in this post is for a world where hazel controls all culture and thought, the only thing I could imagine you dislike about hazel is that he isn't literally a furry (he is basically, by my definition of a furry as a type of Canadian/poser/striver) making furry garbage or doing video essays on Goodbye Volcano High. hazel and Toby Fags don't represent the same culture (hazel is a weeaboo, Toby is not), but they do represent the exact same sentiment (Millennial Troll's Remorse), and hazel is by far the smarter and more talented of the two.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] That term I’ve used, Perverted Sentimentality… that’s Toby’s Term. Yes, *Toby Fox* predicted perverts, Toby Fox predicted Bomb Rush Cyberfunk. [...]

In what way? By participating and financially supporting culture built around stolen valor?

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] the intentional destruction of a fictional world, and it’s subsequent soulless recreation, sounds a lot to me like what the Developers of Bomb Rush Cyberfunk did to Jet Set Radio. Those are the same people who burned and salted the earth, made their own copy with the lack of heart creeping to the surface and all. E-Girl smiles, and the cruel masses rejoice, human culture can now continue to be the reproduction of what was only understood by the noble few that we trampled and beat for the next 1000 years. [...]

Yes, because it's French hypebeast wigger garbage— and France is a craft culture not an art culture, they understand how to patronize the arts (which is why they held exhibits for Masahiro Ito, and wrote a book on SUDA51, among other such appreciations) but not how to invent new things (something ironically, the Japanese do not struggle with, despite being Asian)— only how to refine already existing ideas (this is why their food is the best in the world, pure refinement).
BRC is in many ways more advanced that JGR/JSRF, but as you said it is completely lacking in any vision as the only thing it seeks to be is "more of that thing I remember", in a better world, that guy would simply be enslaved by SEGA to work on an actual sequel, although I would prefer his talents be put to making something actually new, rather than just nicer versions of something which is already old, as the thing that attracts people even now to JGR/JSRF is the fact it still feels new because it was drawing from at the time emerging real world culture.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] Hbomberguy’s undertale video, titled “perverted sentimentality” is him saying that toby fox is saying that *caring about things* is good even if the thing is *cringe* like *anime* because it’s not gritty like real life (toby fox believes in the bar like me too okay) but if you care TOO much you’re like, weird, so we should all appreciate things vicariously through fourteen year old girls that used tumblr 10 years ago but not because they’re 14 year old girls but because trannies who think they are the descendants of them think saying rawr is quaint (they don’t actually say rawr, because they’re pretending to be women and women hate human freedom). And if THAT’S not a PERVERTED SENTIMENTALITY, then I don’t know what is. [...]

I don't understand how Toby Fags and Hbomberfag are not in alignment here, both of them agree that criticizing "cringe culture" should be made illegal, and furries should run the government (they basically already do).

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] Listen HeilNiggersguy. I want The Hitler, I want absolute freedom, the power to exist completely above the world and have it as the product of my will. Your political project is chaining yourself to the gas chamber operating lever so that nobody can be free from nagging for as long as time lasts. [...]

You should want those things, however, Toby Fags does not want those things.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] So… does Toby Fox want that, does he want a world of nagged slaves? [...]

Toby's "argument" would be a "more empathetic world", which in practice he would accomplish via longhouse. The world we have been living in since then.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] By not declaring yourself God Emperor of the universe, above the commoner masses, you can only self insert as a ghetto trench warrior on either side of a war between low cultures. From above,  from the higher culture that exists by excluding itself, it’s apparent this guy has no venom in him, he’s just part of an inferior culture, for him this *is* a plea for a kinder, softer world. And… if you simply… eliminated the slave caste, then this screen would be unneeded, there would be no useless worms in need of pity for their ugliness. The creator of this screen could be free to be even weirder with no pushback, as a healthy shining part of a healthy shining culture. [...]

I agree with all of this in principle, but again fail to see how Undertale is an example of any of this, as there is nothing weird in it. It is a game FOR normalfags, it is a laundering attempt to widen internet esoterica for people who shouldn't be here in the first place.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] This reactionary paranoia is the death sentence to the understanding of anything. [...]

Again, I agree with this in principle, when we're actually talking about something that isn't Jewish.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ][...] Undertale is not a product of *the internet* that subverts *normalcy* by covertly trying to get us to accept the Civil Rights Act under the disguise of colorful video game souls [...]

Undertale does not "subvert normalcy" because it represents normalcy, it is not outsider, and as it is the most unrefined work by Toby Fags we have to examine, we can say with a lot of certainty he is not an outsider either.

(09-13-2023, 03:49 AM)Lavonranson Wrote: [ -> ]Freedom… that’s the point of any of this…

The Freedom…

the power of Absolute Freedom forever…

Humans and Furries after Godhood...

If the point of all of this is FREEDOM then I think you need to FREE yourself from non-Japanese anti-anime furry fanart garbage or you're no better than any of the retarded women that created this mess we're all in.

Anyway, let me get to a couple key points.

Firstly, after reading this entire OP, all of this is basically an allegory for how you want your homosexuality to be accepted among e-Nazis.
I have interacted with furries possibly longer than you've been alive, as such I have watched all this stupid shit play out over 9,001 times and as such am well versed with their infiltration tactics (something they take massive pride in, as they tend to be extremely insecure people who, similar to porn addicts, continually seek out higher and more obscure forms of validation), and their specific NEED to be accepted "as they are", which has always been why I hated them.

All of this talk about "Hitler", again as an arbitrary invocation, I'm pretty sure that the Hitler Youth weren't taught to be "bottoms" that take it in the ass or roleplay as Vaporeon.

Something I'd actually say in your defense, against Hitler, is I think it was a mistake to kill Röhm as he was loyal to the cause even if flawed.
I can already hear the complaints (which will never be typed out because I'm the only person on this forum that has enough of a backbone to argue with anyone) about how this is "pussy", okay sure, but what the fuck have you ever built? People like to talk big games about "purity" and have no idea how to back any of it up or use it. I believe loyalty is one of the single most important aspects in human life, if not the most important.
This is why, I don't know if you were here for the "Jacques" event, that I took his side along with Anthony. While I think all of this shit you're saying is fucking retarded, it's ultimately better that you're here saying this shit than off somewhere else homebrewing HRT, which is directly where your taste and interests will currently lead you.

There are going to be people who would wish this upon you, but I am not one of them.

I would also like to bring up and ask why you did not bring up Temmie Chang— Undertale's primary artist. All the shit you like about Undertale came from Temmie:



No, not that Temmie— though Temmie is named after Temmie:



This Temmie, Temmie Chang:

TheBiography Wrote:[...] Temmie ‘Tuyoki’ Chang was born in Brooklyn, New York City, USA, on 3 April 1993 – her zodiac sign is Aries, she holds American nationality and is of Asian descent. She’s an animator and an illustrator, probably known best for having worked as the main artist on the video game “Undertale”; Temmie has been credited as the game’s shop, title and overworld artist, logo designer, and cutscene artist. She has also been credited with creating various characters, including Lesser and Greater Dog, Mad Mew Mew and Aaron. [...]

While Toby Fags as the director of Undertale should ultimately be given credit for the work, all the aspects YOU seem to like the most come from the ASIAN that worked on the game.

Final note: are you Canadian?

(09-13-2023, 07:08 AM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]Toby Fox has a deeply innocent soul. His work is beautiful, and the only reason it’s not perceived so is because clouded souls view it through cataracts. He’s similar to Holowka but not as prone to TIGnigger subversion.

You are also retarded, you only know what TIGSource is because of my post. Toby Fags and Holowka are prototypical examples of the exact type of person I was complaining about wrt TIGSource and it shitting up the gaming industry. They are also extremely similar, as Holowka is Canadian and Fox is Jewish— genetic faggots.
Gb2/wherever the fuck furfags hang out now that no one on the internet has a home— or maybe that's here, and I should GTFO~HaHA!

(09-13-2023, 12:44 PM)oyakodon_khan Wrote: [ -> ][...] There is also "outsider art", of course. That which we understand as art coming from the mentally retarded. Usually some Progerial Mongoloid smearing feces in the wall of an asylum.
On the internet we're exposed to outsider art almost as commonly as real art. Sonic the Hedgehog's crinkled toes, Fluttershy's diaper filled to the brim, Minecraft Steve pregnant with a loaf of wonderbread... So on and so forth. The line becomes blurred. [...]

Oyakodo you're a fucking retard too. No "the line" does not "become blurred", none of the dogshit you listed is "outsider art" it's just dogshit made by retards— the pornographic interests of Mexican convicts expressed on DeviantArt due to low censorship does not make it "outsider" it just makes it STUPID. Stop speaking in retarded Kiwi Farms memes as if that holds any weight outside of that faggot shithole.

I'll give you an example of an actual outsider artist— Henry Darger is a pervert outsider artist, and let's stick with "perverts" since that's all you morons want to talk about:



I'm using Darger as the example because he's FAMOUS, although you probably still don't know who he is because none of the retards on this forum do anything other than TALK ABOUT NOTHING, FUCK, Unifag was so right about everything. WHATEVER, anyway:



When you've spent your entire life engaging with art like I have (I mean actually engaging, MAKING SHIT, not just fucking TALKING), you get BORED of seeing the same refined things over and over. I'm not saying classical art is bad, I'm saying I don't live in that world, and NEITHER DO ANY OF YOU— WE all live in the world Darger portrays, something disfigured and broken— like the last lights flashing before your eyes as you DIE. It's the reason Americans were so drawn to Francis Bacon, why people like Marshall Arisman and David Lynch took to his work (as well as Masahiro Ito)— as it portrayed a horrific, dying world.

We can also look even deeper, into the art by people who will forever be unnamed artists:



Things that channel spirit purely, made by real world killers.

(09-13-2023, 12:44 PM)oyakodon_khan Wrote: [ -> ][...] The reason why art does not exist in a vacuum from it's audience, is that without any witnesses, art is indifferent from any other thought inside your head. If you were the last man on Earth, there might be no difference between building the tower of Babel and thinking about doing it. [...]

Once again, wrong. You presuppose that the idea and the realization of the idea are 1/1— you say this because you clearly don't fucking do anything, or if I'm wrong, you think like someone who doesn't. You know what the greatest artists in history would all tell you, unanimously? "I failed." Y'know why? Because they were all seeking PERFECTION that they COULDN'T BUILD WITH HUMAN HANDS. All the greatest work by our species is INFERIOR to what they IMAGINED. But they were still right to TRY, to SHOW US, especially us born AFTER they were even alive, that you could get at least that CLOSE to perfection. Their torture is our gift. You are an idiot.

(09-13-2023, 12:44 PM)oyakodon_khan Wrote: [ -> ][...] In the previously mentioned example of Christian Weston Chandler, we see a much less capable artist than the subject of the thread, [...] One might say that he is not retarded at all even, he is no "outsider" artist. And indeed, I think that the comparison has never been drawn outside of this text. [...]

WRONG:





https://www.discogs.com/release/6821467-...e-Negative

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You are a fucking retard. Chris-Chan is a talented surrealist— tortured by normopath DOGS from Kiwi Farms, who all need to be publicly executed.

(09-13-2023, 12:44 PM)oyakodon_khan Wrote: [ -> ][...] Toby Fox is somewhat of a prolific auteur, an upstart in the indie scene, with a prodigious background of fan-content, he has reached the aspiration of perhaps every "outsider artist" as they idly draw Sonic the Hedgehog's crinkled toes, Fluttershy's diaper and pregnant Minecraft Steve. He has gotten acknowledgement for his art directly from an obvious wellspring of inspiration for him. Nintendo. His original character and music have been featured in a first-party Nintendo game. And he has been invited to compose an original track for a Pokemon game. That is, he has worked on a Nintendo video game. Not for Nintendo as a 2-bit code monkey, but as a conscious artist, rather than a tool. ON a game.   
As such, he is most capable of standing trial. (Something which CWC has done in actuality.) [...]

This is correct.

(09-13-2023, 12:44 PM)oyakodon_khan Wrote: [ -> ][...] It is clear from Undertale that Toby Fox is a particularly clever man, his game doesn't just subvert the standard tropes of the genre in a concise way that makes sense, both contextually via gameplay, and also thematically, fitting in with the morals and story displayed. But it also subverts the player expectations at every turn. [...]

This is incorrect. Undertale constantly sets you up for things which it "subverts" in front of your face. There are a few moments or things which actually do feel like they come out of left field, but not very much, and I don't know if I can remember any that do it without telegraphing it in advance.

(09-13-2023, 12:44 PM)oyakodon_khan Wrote: [ -> ][...] He is a conscious man, one who knows what the audience expects. Very much unlike the inner-focused autist, Toby has the empathetic intelligence required to simulate the minds and feelings of others and as such probe for which stimuli is demanded to reach the desired outcome. He consciously puts a gay dating segment in his game. Toby's renaissance-man prodigiousness and herculean effort in game production only incriminating him more, not just guilty via association, but the perpetrator of the crime. On this note I accuse Toby Fox. Of being a pervert.
When he makes Tove Jansson-inspired character who is called a "fluffy boy" and prompted to kiss the player character on the lips, It is a conscious act by Toby Fox. Silhouetted against his background, he is an easy target to shoot with this word: FAGGOT.[/color]

This is also correct, though I would not define Toby as a "pervert", just a faggot.

(09-16-2023, 11:37 PM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ]

Post of the year material.

Let me try to actually put a modicum of effort, because this thread and it's replies are interesting. I want to look at something I posted in the shoutbox yesterday:

https://basedmods.eth.limo/



I find this interesting, because it is a reverberation or maybe an echo. I'm not sure if anyone here is old enough remember naughts modding scene, but if they were - they would remember that such things are a callback to the pre-gamergate "Make your character black" mods. I think the first such mod I ever saw like this was Grand Theft Auto 3 around 2001-2002. Turns out, back then, most people also found it pathetic. Of course, then came the culture shift, then came gamergate. No need to repeat that part of the history - everyone here knows it better than me anyway. Suffice to say, there is a synergy between this trend and this OP - but I will come back to it later.

Undertale was born on the back of the internet that produced Homestuck, but where Homestuck belonged genuinely to the pre-Tumbr and pre-Obama internet - Undertale was born in the wreckage. Birthed in a somethingawful thread admist an ocean of shitposts (even it's own thread was largely a sequence of shitposts), Homestuck cleverly utilized hyper-extrapolated textual meta-reference to capture the Golden Age internet with an understanding of the emergent non-linear space, cliques, and social structures that the internet made feasible. Undertale carried no such ambitions, it was and it a game about appreciating 'purity', and a critique of the desensitization present within digital spaces. In so far as I agree with the the OP, I would agree that Undertale attempts to capture a genuine sense of 'purity'. But what is 'purity'?

Now here is where you might lose me: Those Tumblr trannies and furries that love Undertale? They are some of the most pure people you will ever meet. Something in them stopped working around puberty, and never quite turned back on. Peter Pan syndrome is an accurate descriptor, but there are other words and diagnoses we could use. Whatever it is, clearly they see themselves in cartoons aimed at children, intuitively understanding that those virtualized universes of pure childhood are the only places they can feel at home. Their communities have the tapestry of a middle school band club. They have perverted sexual fetishes, but they aren't even perverts - because they cannot even comprehend the dark spiritual essence of perversion. The world of Undertale is the world they wished to live in, and that is fine. It is probably the only world they could thrive in. Unfortunately for them, that world is not our world and a brief read of Table Talk shows that it was not Hitler's world either. Hitler's purity was an image for consumption. He knew that. So did everyone in his orbit, where he was freely vulgar without reserve. Which is to say this: Hitler's purity was staged and sold so that the half-retarded German peasantry could hold tight his illusion of infallibility. Turns out people are still doing that in 2023,  proving - if nothing else - that Hitler was a master of his craft.

Let us wrap around and return to basedmods. This is a pathetic project. If people are unsatisfied with the values of a work, then they should rightly go about making their own, bring to bear their full creative vision. Is that what basedmods is? No, it is a repository of people spending five hours in photoshop and tinkering with textures and models so that they don't have to see black skin in their video games. In an immediate sense, it is pathetic - but in a deeper sense it is tragic. It shows the desire to consume, but to not feel uncozy in the consuming. If you like Undertale, that is fine. It is a pretty cute clever little game. Personally I don't like it, because I don't really enjoy purity for the sake of purity - I prefer deviance for the sake of deviance. I would be more entertained watching a detachment of Ukrainian mercenaries brutally and systematically gang rape Russian women. I try *not* to watch such content for a variety of reasons, but it is entertaining and shows the extremity of the human condition. And an unlike an appreciation war rape, you're not running any risk of corrupting yourself in the consumption of Undertale - but the rigorous defense of game in the OP post suggests that you do in fact feel a risk of corruption. It seems like you feel that is wrong to enjoy a game associated with a fandom of cringe trannies and furries. In the end, I'm left wondering why you really give so much of a fuck to invent this pseudish narrative around the matter.

The most emotionally-striking aspect of Undertale for me was the heroism of Asgore and the Genocide bosses. How much dignity they had. The aforementioned fights are also the most difficult and visually-complex in the entire game; watching the Heroes jerk you around is a shonen-battle-esque spectacle that compels you to cheer them on, momentarily oblivious to the fact you're on the receiving end. Maybe, if you looked at it through the lens of tropes and soobversion that (the reaction to) a sufficiently-Goonische Bildung provides, the Sans fight could be considered soy. "hehe kid u made me use 1% of my true strength", Shaggy activates his trap card power level 300 million. But something deep in my gut tells me that's a you problem and he just wants the thing to be awesome without any underlying conceit.

The Genocide Route as a whole refutes the Knight conception of the game as "ooohhh u shuldnt kill all da ppl but u DO and dey say ur the evil bad guy"... when you kill all the people, they run away. What's left of the Underground mobilizes competently against you, sending its strongest heroes to hold you off as survivors are evacuated. I think this alone elevates the monsters beyond just white-faced mooks in a morality play, they have something of a collective will of their own (to the maximum extent Toby Fox can imbue them with one - the game putting hidden files on your computer is a gesture to that end) even if they they are ultimately powerless against Determination, and thus bargain collectively: if you kill any of us, we'll withdraw part of ourselves from you; if you kill all of us, we'll withdraw from you entirely. This is the meaning of the Neutral and Genocide routes. You can accept or discard it as you wish which is the most unwieldy thing the game imposes on you. I've played plenty of games with more obnoxious and restrictive moralistic impositions, like "sanity meters" for killing innocents, the unkillable forced-bounty NPCs in Skyrim, etc.

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I never saw an attempt to evince "troll's remorse" in Undertale - the game functions on positive more than negative reinforcement. If you refrain from killing the silly skeleton, you get to go on a silly date with him and watch him wear his silly hat and eat spaghetti. If you kill him, his head pops off, he turns to dust, and you never see him again. His brother calls you at the end to tell you to go to hell, but there's nothing tryhard about that, it's just the character acting like a character.

(09-16-2023, 10:11 PM)PIGSAW Wrote: [ -> ]

Nintendo Everything Wrote:[...] The ACT and MERCY commands were inspired by Shin Megami Tensei. I played just a bit of that game and loved talking to the monsters in it. Since I liked it so much, I decided I wanted to make a game where that was actually the main focus.

Undertale wants to spread joy. It's infinitely more of a labor of love than an indictment of something he thought was "wrong" with games - if an Anxiety of Influence is present here, it's a thoroughly- and constructively-sublimated one. Toby Fox played to his strengths. He isn't the best programmer or artist, but he's an excellent composer (the music is the load-bearing beam of most emotions in the game) and objectively half-decent at writing RPG dialogue, an aptitude borne from passion, he loved RPG dialogue so much that he decided to make an RPG that was 90% dialogue. That "no one has to die" is really a commentary on how vestigial the other RPG-elements are. I doubt he wanted nonviolence to be the game's Overarching Moral Message; it's just that his trenchcoat pockets are burgeoning with Monsters being Weird Funny Little Guys, and if you stab them all the moment he takes them out then he won't have anything left to work with.

You are swallowing the game-journoshit lugenpresse's diharroea along with the conceit that Undertale is "le soooob-VER-sive masterpiece", "the genius of the game is in its DECONSTROOCTION". Toby Fox doesn't sooobvert RPG tropes to criticize them, he subverts them to supplant them with his own rules and focus your attention on the aspects he could best implement and took the most pride in, within a framework (Determination, Time Travel) that makes sense in-universe. Whether you consider these aspects good or not is immaterial, because his intention is NEVER "RPGs bad as they are", it's always "THIS is what I want to do with RPGs". Fox does take a certain joy in it - that initial impetus of tying your first impressions in knots like a balloon animal - but you'd need to be a real pervert to execute that joylessly, and it's a light joy anyhow, a prankster's joy more than that of a wanton curmudgeon crushing a young boy's heart. Say what you will about his art, but he never tries to imbue it with a gravity it doesn't deserve.

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Also, I'm sorry, but his "interloping" in Japan is hilarious and endearing. He's dedicated his entire life outside of work to LARPing as a quirky programmer jii-san, to the point where he only interviews in Japanese, and can only produce English writing in affected ESL...



Perhaps my immune system's been fatally weakened by poz but I see no malice in this soul.

(09-16-2023, 10:37 PM)PIGSAW Wrote: [ -> ]I'll give you an example of an actual outsider artist— Henry Darger is a pervert outsider artist, and let's stick with "perverts" since that's all you morons want to talk about:

I'm using Darger as the example because he's FAMOUS, although you probably still don't know who he is because none of the retards on this forum do anything other than TALK ABOUT NOTHING, FUCK, Unifag was so right about everything.
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You are a fucking retard. Chris-Chan is a talented surrealist— tortured by normopath DOGS from Kiwi Farms, who all need to be publicly executed.

Henry Darger is an immensely interesting person, and I am saddened to say I had only learned of his existence early last year while lurking Amarna1 (a thread on Adam Lanza by Anthony if I recall), as I often come across and hold great interest in characters such as these... well, better late than never I suppose.  Immediately I had made connections with not only Chris-Chan, but also J.R.R. Tolkien in the depths of their imaginations and the means with which they sought to depict it.  All the men had their passions, Darger his love for the American Civil War, Tolkien his love for Germanic myth, Chris his love for Japanese anime and video games, and for all three; their rather childlike innocence and the fact they spent seemingly every waking moment of their lives pondering the fantasy world they crafted.  Coincidentally, Darger and Tolkien were born months apart in 1892, started their lifelong work of art in the 1910's, and died months apart between 1972 and 1973, Chris only born about ten years after.  I personally do not like Lord of the Rings much to the degree it's extolled, but I greatly appreciate the manner in which Tolkien's life is interwoven through the world, inserting stand-ins for him and his wife in The Silmarillion, his personal passion project he spent his entire life working on and ultimately died before finishing, and even having those characters' names etched just below their own on their shared gravestone.  Ostensibly a professional work of literature, Tolkien commits to much of the same creative impulses that Darger and Chris wield, the both of them not only inserting themselves into their own works, but even implementing friends and enemies from real experience as well.

Between Chris and Darger, another favourite of mine is their reserved violence, do recall the many illustrations Darger painted featuring those soldiers gunning down, slicing apart, dismembering children, and Chris' infamous execution of certain internet trolls in the manner of a fucking SAW movie.  There's so much more I wish I could write about Darger, his poor childhood, very few friends, a bystander of the decaying world around him which he sought to capture in his writings, you get a perfect understanding of his thoughts, just as you can with Chris-Chan.  Now Chris, I could write about all day, a subject I have periodically studied for over a decade now, he's just that fascinating.  And I honest-to-God respect him, for everything he does, including the alleged rape of his own mother.  I don't understand how anyone with a soul could get off on tormenting the man, but I answer my own question.  Chris trekked through life unable to find anyone of a similar disposition to him and felt isolated.  Sure, he had acquaintances and those kind enough to consider themselves his friends, but none could ever find a way to properly communicate with him, with perhaps the exception of his church councillor.  In this isolation, though, we have found one of the most interesting auteurs who captures a perfect glimpse of the world in the mind of a disconnected, (HIGH-FUNCTIONING) autistic man.  Much more I could write about has already been written in the official CWC thread for the forum, Anthony in particular already writing down what I think of his life and work in a far more articulate manner than I ever could.

(02-16-2023, 04:00 AM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]When Chris Chan wants to create he simply sets to work piling up and synthesising everything he enjoys. His creation process is a chaotic workshop of pure self satisfaction. And as for the results, it's a simple fact that his work holds the attention of the world far better than the overwhelming majority of aspiring online artists.

Yes, this is due to the widespread interest in Chris-Chan as an individual. But that's more to the strength of his art. That it is so shamelessly and utterly personal. If you are interested in Chris you read him clearly by looking at his creative output. And if you are interested in his creative output you clearly read him through it. If only all artists could be so spiritually correct.

This talk of pornographic smut that oyakodon speaks of also brings to mind one last thought on the topic of Chris, one I had briefly brought up in my post in the Fetish thread some time ago.  Chris' pornographic drawings (before he trooned out, of course) are extremely heterosexual, observe.  There's no real filter between Chris' actual art and the parodies on this wiki, so just figure out which is which, witness how none of it is stupid, excepting the Sonic furry drawings and especially the strap-on one.  It's perfectly normal hentai, Chris is in control and gets what he wants, he's a total casanova.

(09-16-2023, 10:37 PM)PIGSAW Wrote: [ -> ]You know what the greatest artists in history would all tell you, unanimously? "I failed." Y'know why? Because they were all seeking PERFECTION that they COULDN'T BUILD WITH HUMAN HANDS. All the greatest work by our species is INFERIOR to what they IMAGINED. But they were still right to TRY, to SHOW US, especially us born AFTER they were even alive, that you could get at least that CLOSE to perfection. Their torture is our gift.

This is one of the best posts, if not the best post, written on this forum.


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This was a thread on Undertale, right?  Excuse me, I'll try to stay on topic from now on.

I haven't lots to say for a game I haven't played, so I'll refrain from overly judging a work I haven't consumed, I'm often harsh and hasty when it comes to this so forgive any misconceptions, but I simply hold little interest in the game, much too cartoonish/furry for my tastes.  I likely wouldn't play if those elements were removed either.  However, I do respect Toby's musical talent, even if again I'm not attuned to chiptune very well, I concur with Anthony's comments in the Shoutbox that Fox understands this idealised nostalgic 'old video game' style well, almost reminding one of Cave Story.  Again, haven't listened to much of the soundtrack either, but I remember liking Asgore's battle theme, I'm a Kraut so its German name automatically does some favours.  Which brings me to the next thing.



Toby's masterpiece played in front of a live audience including the shape-shifting lizard who styles himself 'His Holiness', the Pope.  Toby's reach knows no bounds.  It's no surprise really, the so-called Pope (there has been no Pope since 1963) is a communist.

(09-16-2023, 10:37 PM)PIGSAW Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2023, 12:44 PM)oyakodon_khan Wrote: [ -> ][...] There is also "outsider art", of course. That which we understand as art coming from the mentally retarded. Usually some Progerial Mongoloid smearing feces in the wall of an asylum.
On the internet we're exposed to outsider art almost as commonly as real art. Sonic the Hedgehog's crinkled toes, Fluttershy's diaper filled to the brim, Minecraft Steve pregnant with a loaf of wonderbread... So on and so forth. The line becomes blurred. [...]

Oyakodo you're a fucking retard too. 

 

I have edited this response three times now, twice I attempted to come up with some short and self-deprecating witty reply that would put me in the clear, intellectually speaking. "This is correct, Yes, I am retarded!" Everyone laughs. We move on. Except I do not. I would lose sleep over this. I would develop from the common friendly sperg into a rather neurotic character. Every waking moment would be me thinking about how I could have better approached this topic. Maybe the first attempt was the best one. I wrote a reply in which I put forth the idea that I had never actually played Undertale. Of course, that's a lie. I played it on the day it was released. Someone dumped the zip on 4chan's video game board and I played through it in one sitting. Two sittings actually, pausing once around the halfway point to take a piss. I only played the game once, which is how I believe Toby Fox intended for his game to be played. Hence why he coded all the variables and different paths into his story. But that's not relevant, my point would be to double down on the stupidity. To make a clown out of myself. I who value honesty over anything else in speech, am a hypocrite. How could then Pigsaw not see that in my post, that the meandering manner in which I described the topic was just to lead the reader to the end punchline? I wanted to call Toby Fox a faggot! That's all, and do it in a smart manner that would impress all the Amarna Forum patricians. Pigsaw should have realized that we agreed on everything stated in his own post. But Pigsaw's response had nothing to do with me calling Toby Fox a faggot, that was the part where he said I was right. He disagreed with my understanding of outsider art. My mindless parroting of certain key terms used in the OP post. And the facetious tone in which I described the most retarded of subjects, as if I actually truly understood art as a medium that relates to others. But I do not. Because, as a retard, I am an outsider artist myself.
Things could not be left at that, that is so unlike me, to employ the fake nihilism of a soylennial. The condensending smug attitude of "Why do you care bro", which I obviously recognize as a defensive stance. You care so much that you want nothing but to disarm others and hope to convince them not to care, so that you will not be threatened with disagreements. Of course you care! Of course I care! But even so. Maybe the first approach was the better one. Do I really care about Undertale and the cultural significance of Undertale that much? Not really. Do I even have anything in Pigsaw's post that I wish to contest? No, he's completely correct about everything. There was no real reason to return to this topic. Maybe I had something to add about how OP's real cause is that he personally likes Undertale and as such he wants to "claim" it. That whole toopic could easily be it's own thread, and worth some discussion. There's a thread on how Serial Experiments Lain (An Japanese anime series written by a Right winger, a man who wrote a stage play where "gamergatemon" battles against the SJW virus.) was appropriated by transexuals, and is maligned in that manner with no just cause other than some meager connection. OP is trying to do the reverse, and every post in the thread is some manner of explanation as to why that is a doomed effort in his part. Yes, that's an interesting question to raise... but it has nothing to do with my post, does it?
Then what is the issue nagging at the back of my head? Why bother returning? I didn't have the guts to craft a low-effort bait, anyone that read my post claiming to not have played the game would most likely just have rolled their eyes and moved on. It wouldn't even be worth of a reply. Maybe a moderator note telling me not to waste the forum's time... Agreeing with Pigsaw's post and calling myself retarded would be the safest bet. But, that doesn't add anything to the discussion, It would just be a social appeal. In the manner that one would do with friends, but we're not friends here. I don't have any friends. I am a lone wolf. Badass. No, I could not just leave it like that. I had to get to the bottom of it. Defending my post was pointless, I agreed with what Pigsaw said. I was fighting an unwinnable battle inside my head. A war against invisible immortal enemies that surrounded me on all sides. I didn't even know what the problem really was, but I was sick to my stomach, having cold sweats. All I could think about was Pigsaw's response to my post on the thread defending Toby Fox and his shitty furry porn game. It was then that it hit me. My pride was hurt. A lightbulb shone above my head. I am retarded? ME? I am a genius! How dare you. I ran back to the thread for the fourth time. I will prove Pigsaw wrong! I'll get my revenge. I know for a fact he has no choice but to read a lenghty respone to his post. I'll waste his time. I'll write such an idiotic post that he will feel insulted for having read up  to this point. Or maybe he'll think it's funny, that I am again meandering and being retarded to reach a final punchline. It's not that clever or amusing really. The human eye tends to dart to the bottom of a text while you're reading it so I just need to make it a bit thicker and it'll be done, trap set. How petty. A waste of time for all involved. This has nothing to do with Undertale, does it? well I might as well get back on topic since I am wasting the reader's time, though I might as well get banned for such an awful post. If I had moderating powers, I would ban myself for such a crime! Though I doubt anyone else would care this much. 
They say that "We are our own worst critics". This does not apply to me, I am not my worst critic. I am my biggest fan. Pigsaw is my worst critic. How dare he. Call me a retard. Does he not know who he is speaking to? Would a retard write THIS post? You who have read it would surely agree that I am not a retard. Not that I care. I mean, I do care, of course I care. I said earlier I do!
Undertale is characterized as one of those products that are given endless praise for deconstructing some genre or subgenre by people that don't particularly care or like that genre. "Evangelion is about the characters, not the giant robots!" Is what someone that has never seen Zeta Gundam or Ultraman would say upon experiencing Hideaki Anno's attempt at emulating those franchises. Of course, I give Toby Fox some accolades by comparing him to the pervert Hideaki Anno. But that's besides the point. Any true gamer will point out that the base mechanic the game is built around (what if you could TALK to the monsters in a JRPG) is not new. The Shin Megami Tensei and Fire Emblem games are extremely popular. If those games, depicting a completely ruthless world rife with vile demons and endless warfare, give you the option of talking to your enemies. An intellectual way of benefiting yourself mid-conflict... then why should Undertale be praised for doing the same? Doubling on that, Toby Fox is certainly aware of Shin Megami Tensei. So in no way he can be praised for originality. But I'll stand by stating that his game is clever. And it is not just succesful via a marketing trick. Though that is part of it. Undertale would still be popular if it wasn't a gay furry porn game. Though the fanbase would certainly manifest differently. The point is that Toby Fox is a pervert after all. Not in the in-group manner in which OP uses the term, which I appear to not have quite grasped. but in the traditional meaning of the word. He made a game rife with fetishistic material, which the other posters in the thread were quick to point out, both to illustrate their points and to make a mockery out of OP's fascination with such vile faggotry. Toby Fox is a pervert in the literal definition that is in the dictionary. He is a subverter. And in a manner that is rather easy to connect that to sexual preference. TOBY FOX IS A FAGGOT!

Pigsaw brutally mind raped this guy, holy shit. If you’ve ever been in an online argument with some one this is the state you’ve wanted to reduce your interlocutor to. Divine retribution! Cleanse this shitty forum Pigsaw, teach them the retardedness of their ways.

Quote:My friends, there hath arisen a satire on your friend: "Behold Zarathustra! Walketh he not amongst us as if amongst animals?"
But it is better said in this wise: "The discerning one walketh amongst men as amongst animals."
Man himself is to the discerning one: the animal with red cheeks.
How hath that happened unto him? Is it not because he hath had to be ashamed too oft?
O my friends! Thus speaketh the discerning one: shame, shame, shame- that is the history of man!
And on that account doth the noble one enjoin on himself not to abash: bashfulness doth he enjoin himself in presence of all sufferers.
Verily, I like them not, the merciful ones, whose bliss is in their pity: too destitute are they of bashfulness.
If I must be pitiful, I dislike to be called so; and if I be so, it is preferably at a distance.
Preferably also do I shroud my head, and flee, before being recognised: and thus do I bid you do, my friends!
May my destiny ever lead unafflicted ones like you across my path, and those with whom I may have hope and repast and honey in common!
Verily, I have done this and that for the afflicted: but something better did I always seem to do when I had learned to enjoy myself better.
Since humanity came into being, man hath enjoyed himself too little: that alone, my brethren, is our original sin!
And when we learn better to enjoy ourselves, then do we unlearn best to give pain unto others, and to contrive pain.
Therefore do I wash the hand that hath helped the sufferer; therefore do I wipe also my soul.
For in seeing the sufferer suffering—thereof was I ashamed on account of his shame; and in helping him, sorely did I wound his pride.
Great obligations do not make grateful, but revengeful; and when a small kindness is not forgotten, it becometh a gnawing worm.
"Be shy in accepting! Distinguish by accepting!"—thus do I advise those who have naught to bestow.
I, however, am a bestower: willingly do I bestow as friend to friends. Strangers, however, and the poor, may pluck for themselves the fruit from my tree: thus doth it cause less shame.
Beggars, however, one should entirely do away with! Verily, it annoyeth one to give unto them, and it annoyeth one not to give unto them.
And likewise sinners and bad consciences! Believe me, my friends: the sting of conscience teacheth one to sting.
The worst things, however, are the petty thoughts. Verily, better to have done evilly than to have thought pettily!
To be sure, ye say: "The delight in petty evils spareth one many a great evil deed." But here one should not wish to be sparing.
Like a boil is the evil deed: it itcheth and irritateth and breaketh forth—it speaketh honourably.
"Behold, I am disease," saith the evil deed: that is its honourableness.
But like infection is the petty thought: it creepeth and hideth, and wanteth to be nowhere—until the whole body is decayed and withered by the petty infection.
To him however, who is possessed of a devil, I would whisper this word in the ear: "Better for thee to rear up thy devil! Even for thee there is still a path to greatness!"—
Ah, my brethren! One knoweth a little too much about every one! And many a one becometh transparent to us, but still we can by no means penetrate him.
It is difficult to live among men because silence is so difficult.
And not to him who is offensive to us are we most unfair, but to him who doth not concern us at all.
If, however, thou hast a suffering friend, then be a resting-place for his suffering; like a hard bed, however, a camp-bed: thus wilt thou serve him best.
And if a friend doeth thee wrong, then say: "I forgive thee what thou hast done unto me; that thou hast done it unto thyself, however—how could I forgive that!"
Thus speaketh all great love: it surpasseth even forgiveness and pity.
One should hold fast one's heart; for when one letteth it go, how quickly doth one's head run away!
Ah, where in the world have there been greater follies than with the pitiful? And what in the world hath caused more suffering than the follies of the pitiful?
Woe unto all loving ones who have not an elevation which is above their pity!
Thus spake the devil unto me, once on a time: "Even God hath his hell: it is his love for man."
And lately, did I hear him say these words: "God is dead: of his pity for man hath God died."—
So be ye warned against pity: from thence there yet cometh unto men a heavy cloud! Verily, I understand weather-signs!
But attend also to this word: All great love is above all its pity: for it seeketh—to create what is loved!
"Myself do I offer unto my love, and my neighbour as myself"—such is the language of all creators.
All creators, however, are hard.—
Thus spake Zarathustra.

I think oyakodon got amygdala hijacked, or he was serious about just writing a shitpost he mostly didn't believe in to call toby a faggot.

Like there are three exact things pigsaw dropped on him:

1. "outsider artist" vs dogshit, and is it a blurred line

okay so oya was using outsider artist in a way where he put quotes around it and included some dogshit stuff. idk if this is the kiwifarms dialect part pigsaw points out? but if people understand it then idc. locking down a neologism meaning isn't that important and failing to use the same version isn't a big deal as long as your version makes some objective sense, which it does in this case because artist can be used in a more or less qualified sense.

it seems like it is obviously a blurred line if we include all these subhumans as artists. if whatever you term outsider artist- maybe CWC- was slightly shittier in whatever ways you believe make it important, where would there be an actual phase transition into "dogshit"? maybe if there is an aspect of genius all its own. if you somehow believe cwc's abstract art to be good, what would it take for you to recognize it as shit? Slightly bigger tits or areaolae? Hands just a little less recognizeable even as ghostly fingers? More cameltoe? the contextless film strip wave thing sucking enough that you can't excuse it as an abstract quirk? Or maybe the hair/veil bs being more explicitly one or the other instead of shitty both would lose all the abstraction points? The letters bearing even less meaning aside from the p penetrating the n, or the wobbliness being less of a coherent message?

2. art/audience relationship

oya's take sucks mostly because it indicates being blind to the sensation of the concept of existence. he could totally bullshit something if he actually cooled down. This is the best part of pigsaws post but he could still hold his own or take mild lashings.

3. cwc is an artist or something

see above, jeez come on you could get the same shit from a dozen different subhuman retards currently receiving the second half of their grilled cheese sandwich if you prompted them correctly. How many runs of some ai art thing would I need to get the picture from the blurb on the back? cwc isn't interesting, idk if toby fox is interesting

If anything, it's an example of excellent marketing. You have very poor visual art and mediocre music, and somehow the audience believes both to be excellent. Idol worship etc. And look at the gods that people choose

Now that Elvis has sufficiently wiped the floor with Lavranson's OP, I would like to actually make a case for why Undertale is a good game on its own terms without the baggage of having to differentiate my argument from Lavransons or why I would want to distance mine from his in the first place. I have no interest in if the game deserves to be considered "warehoused", "certified sensitive young man kino" or sufficiently pro-Japan or not. Keep in mind that I have not touched it since the year of its release, so forgive me if any important details of its features or plot which would otherwise help or counter my argument slip from my mind. 

Undertale is a morality play in video game form which tells a story of a universal experience with the loss of innocence as a price of knowledge (acknowledging mortality, the capacity for violence others and yourself have and its implications) which can only be regained through persistent love and hope, which is necessary for the completion of said knowledge. The game follows a sort of poetic logic. Geographical locations are external signifiers for the development of the main characters soul (the descent into Mt.Ebbot signifies the first encounter with death(its highly implied that the MC and his antecedent both come to the mountain to kill themselves, and the first thing the player encounters there is an attempt on his life) , it's further depths host various representations of resentment, vanity, hopelessness, etc and its peak represents salvific purification), characters come in complementary/contrasting pairs, repetition and parallels mark the entire game, characters are as much concrete individuals as they are examples of pitfalls an individual might fall into on their path to perfection. Most importantly, the world presents itself to the player the way it would a child, which means that it is highly fantastical and unrealistic, because most young children cannot immediately deal with the prospect of violence without mythologizing it somewhat, and often comprehend their surroundings by exaggerating the most essential elements of whatever it is they're observing. Anyone who has seen a child draw can confirm that this is the case. This is important to note because otherwise one can easily fall into the trap of criticizing the game for being too cutesy or mild in style, or that its a cheap "genre critique" from someone who feels guilty for indulging in too many violent video games. The game does not endorse pacifism for pacifism's sake, nor does it deny the occasional need for violence or even that it is enjoyable to inflict on others. In fact, the original reason for the demise and eventual corruption of the main antagonist is a misplaced pacifism which leads to his death. The reason why aversion towards violence is a prerequisite for the "good ending" is that its use almost always correlates with some level of disillusionment (atleast within the game itself) with oneself, others or humanity at large, which ends in the despair which sustains the purgatorial state of the depths. When the player emerges from the mountain again, they are fully accustomed with violence and its use, but have retained an innocence which is no longer dependent on ignorance, and through both become abundantly powerful in a way which would've been impossible otherwise.

One of the things that tends to mess with people's reading of the game is that it has an obvious "good", "neutral" and "bad" ending, but if the player plays the game as it is intended to (i.e without a guide) they will naturally get the neutral ending after killing some minor monsters and maybe a major character. The active refusal to engage in killing only gains meaning when the player has tried it and seen its consequences himself, otherwise the choice is almost completely arbitrary and highly moralistic in the bad sense. The point of purgatory is to provide a place for the purification and development of the individuals who reside there. Those who are already perfect have no need for it.

Where does this purgatory come from, and what characterizes the individuals that reside within it? The world of the depths is one of eternal toil which is ruled over by a malevolent and bored demiurge, one who shares the protagonists persistence (ensuring his continual existence and power) but without his hope, leaving him disillusioned and trapped (along with all the other monsters) in a cycle of momentary amusement followed by disappointment. While none are as malevolent as Flowey, all the major characters of the depth share his essential disposition, and are reaching for or have finer qualities which contradict with their baser natures, which torture them and keep them from escaping their decrepitude. In coming to know their base nature, they despair at the seeming impossibility of their salvation and opt for unseemly means for their escape, hence the association of violence with disillusionment. and The necessary alignment of form and essence is a big element of Undertale, and the big "sin" of the monsters is the continuous attempt at harnessing the persistence of the humans without the corresponding soul and hope which gives rise to it, resulting in the birth of horrible beasts which would've been much better off not existing at all. Evil is the intentional parody of organic good, and the highest evil comes from the unrightful usurpation of authority. The game is entirely unsubtle about this, with Flowey referring to himself as "the prince of this world" when the player is about to leave the ruins.

When the player encounters these characters, he is saving himself by fortifying his soul against the temptations which would lead to their failures AND is saving them by authentically transferring to them what they desired (determination and hope) but could only covet fruitlessly through friendship. These processes are intimately interlinked, if not one and the same, which is why its important for the player to befriend ALL the monsters before they can get the good ending. Naturally, this means that the salvation of the devil himself, who has done nothing but taunt, prod and persecute the player, is of supreme importance, even if purely for the players own sake. The capacity for forgiveness and love of even the most vile of creatures restores to them the original innocence which is inherent in all creation, and glorifies the forgiver.



The genocide route represents the opposite turn towards the descent into oblivion, a usurpation of a usurpation which results in the complete obliteration of the world beyond repair. The game world is reduced to its purely mechanical elements as the player drudges through the unbearably boring task of killing all the monsters of every area, with the occasional treat of seeing some of the main characters keep their dignity in a last stand battle. Eventually, the player is allowed to strike down Flowey and take his place as complete master of the world, which turns out to be an unfulfilling reward. The possibility of escape is closed off from the player permanently, their blind will to power ensuring that they remain brutal protectors of purgatory forever, murdering the monsters every time they escape in a future pacifist route.

I'm glad I was able to provoke an actual reply.

Because my novel use of terms has caused your aged brain some trouble, I'll respond to a few of your dumber moments before getting to the real point of our disagreement.

Quote:Though even in that, I don't know WTF you're talking about, who doesn't like Undertale? 

Quote:KNIGHTS HATE JAPAN, knights DON'T LIKE ANIME you FUCKING RETARD. Lumpen DON'T LIKE FINE THINGS, LUMPEN DON'T LIKE JAPAN. The reason knights like "gameplay" (the only part of this your barely functioning mind can comprehend) is because IT'S THE PART THAT SUCKS. They like MECHANICAL REPETITION, WORK SIMULATION— they HATE LUXURY AND FINE THINGS. You are misusing this term the same way people misuse "Norwood", and unlike Mikka I will tell people that fuck things up they are WRONG. "Knight" is not a stand-in for "faggot" (although they are a kind of faggot, in the way that faggotry is common among lower classes and lesser races) i.e., person-I-dislike, it is a specific caste of person visible in all races and societies throughout human history.

Retard. Undertale had a huge backlash all over the internet, not even just on /v/, do you think your criticism of it hasn't been repeated million of times the last 8 years? The retards who hated Undertale (Knights, but I won't call them that 500 times again) were not angry at the game because it was a non-Japanese doing something that they did better (the only decent reason to dislike the game) they were mad because a game where you *sniff* *whines life a woman* DON'T HAVE TO HURT PEOPLE (a crime against the MECHANICAL REPETITION that is farming goblins)... "sounds like an SJW". They are low culture thugs who hated a game full of fine things because they could not realize the answer to the "Do you see a concentration camp?" RPGmaker puzzle the game appeared to them as was having ideals that rose far beyond the constraints of Gamergate and appreciate Undertale for what it is, the greatest work of pop-sentimentality the world has seen yet.

Seriously, where did I say Pro-Gamergaters like Japan? The archetypal New Doom (not a fine thing at all) fan of the time who hated Undertale saw Doomguy as a sandnigger squashing epic piece of rage meat in stark contrast to everything about the Telletubbies faggot pacifism game.

Oh, and speaking of disliking Undertale.



The Japanese sure don't. In fact, it's their favorite non-Japanese game.

Quote:I don't know that I would agree with "pervert" as synonymous with "poser"— although there is significant crossover from my observations of both categories. The primary one being monomania— what allows dictionary definition posers to 'flourish' and take stranglehold of everything is their monomaniacal (masturbation ODC faggotry) focus, which easily beats out (in a society that forces the born-valuable to compete in the Colosseum with each other and subhumans like nigger slave cattle) the impulses and behavior of actual artists, who are by nature extremely fickle and largely unfocused (some odd talented fetish artists like H.R. Giger can channel their OCD into something productive, the Japanese are typically the best at this as seen often in manga).

Double Retard. How do you not understand what I mean by "pervert"? I'm not talking about sex at all, nor am I talking about posers. Do you think "Milk Inside a Bag of Milk" was created to be tranny lain garbage by someone disinterested? Of course not, he's fascinated like a pervert. Maybe there's some kind of sexual aspect to this, within the creator, within the fans, but the crucial thing here is that the identity of fascination is like a god, and so the creator and the fans will believe any lie they can that makes the original thing become about that identity. These games are part of a collective intentional hallucination far before they're idiosyncratic expression. That's why it doesn't really matter if the creators of these things are posers or not. Do they care? Are they the audience? Is it all cynical? None of that really matters when the human element is lost in a sea of memes and whichever one of the many faggot identities so many have jailed themselves into becomes the monster to which this perverted "culture" must be fed.

Quote:Bomb Rush Cyberfuck is not in reference to "Negro-Japan" you retard, that isn't what JGR/JSRF are— BRC is based on the hallucination of that being the case in a world where "Y2k" is being merged with BLM by New-Normalfag Zoomer dipshits— don't fall into that trap.

We agree here. Bomb Rush Cyberfunk was made in an effort to turn stealing Jet Set Radio from the Japanese and pretending it was always about, as you said, "French hypebeast wigger garbage" (perverting it) into a cultural tradition by and for the new tranny identity: people who really like the idea of being a "Jet Set Radio Person". The whole point of what I was saying was that Bomb Rush Cyberfunk is garbage for those who want to be lied to in order to live the present as a gay soulless version of the past. The game, with it's every attribute being non personal may as well be an industrial accident by those INTOXICATED ON NIGGER.

Sick, sick perverts...

When I first played Deltarune, I went to school the next day and I thought about Deltarune, sure, but I also thought about raping all the girls in my class. Toby Fox games are the sentimental side to life purified and full like what those with dreams cry for. It's willfully retarded to think the only way one can appreciate the game is looking at the plain as day obvious libtard faggot hippie MESSAGE about LOVE and thus what I'm doing must be me playing pretend to the point where the lesbians in the game look like Klansmen. Shooting niggers for the sake of it sounds cool, sure, but what's the point of Neo-Nazism if it isn't for something, i.e. What does a world where you aren't denied sex with teenagers look like? Being on "THE RIGHT SIDE"... if it only means your head is filled with the endless reiterations of the result of the negative aspect of higher taste, then why does it matter? What matters, is the POSITIVE, the IDEALS, the VISIONS, looking at Undertale and drawing a conclusion based on whether or not you see a concentration camp (merely the road to the positive) is the hobby turned profession I call leftist video essays, it doesn't matter if you reverse the value judgements or not.

Toby Fox is obviously not on "THE RIGHT SIDE" but again, what good does being on the right side lead anyone to without the positive in higher taste?



But I, as the noble Undertale fan in this discussion, have the moral high ground and good sense that I will now use to apply thorough MERCY. For I cannot FIGHT something that does not threaten me...

But... just like the characterization of FIGHT vs MERCY in undertale I just made, making this about ideals and not about you is missing the point.

I get your game. You think your Radical Honesty about base reality (what right wing means to you) makes keeping your taste bound around the neck by the gory chunks Qanon leatherface's rubber mask on burly meatman extended universe justifiable. Go to the retirement home. I will not be a member of your hall of ideals where we all sit around and remark on how the Spongebob closeup shots may be grotesque, but at least they understand the severity of life devoid of that infantilization nonsense. I will not bend my knee. Your Slaughterhouse masculinity can try as it might to burn down every mention of Pretty Boys *soyjak puts gun to roof of his mouth* or Furry Shotas, *loud distinctive hanging-by-noose sound from the woke moralism department* but you have already lost. A furry? A Nazi? No, I'm an observer from above, that could only look like being a social striver to a ghetto thug.



*covers my Vaporeon's eyes with my hand*

And I get what your post is really about. It's that if the world was mine then it would be 𝔬𝔫𝔩𝔶 𝔪𝔢 as the human, and you as the goblin commoner. It's a FIGHT over the Neo-Nazi throne. Being 35 years old... something characterizing you as a gay furry for even a second is basically just signing the morticians order for your own coffin (Is that how it works? Maybe the jaded adulter should explain the craft.) So here, I'll save you the trouble and finish the job. You fought the furries on second life, and now through your ptsd tinted glasses, you can't see that you're now in the first stage of fighting a war that has yet to begin, one in which YOU are on the side Furry. Furry as defined by YOU: the ones with the inferiority complex.

No. No. No.

I will not say that I don't want The Hitler. (Power + Freedom in such a high concentration that Hitler becomes the only word possible to describe it, kind of like Determination in Undertale).

I will not make my ideals lesser than GODHOOD in exchange for

"Your 𝕊𝕝𝕒𝕤𝕙𝕖𝕣 𝕄𝕠𝕧𝕚𝕖 𝔹𝕚𝕘𝕗𝕠𝕠𝕥 ℕ𝕒𝕥𝕚𝕠𝕟𝕒𝕝𝕚𝕤𝕞", you worm.



For people of higher taste who never even consider being a fursuit faggot, being a Furry is a nearly irrelevant label used to describe someone who appreciates, idolizes, or maybe even wants to be this, the opposite of a second life era furry, the opposite of a western cartoon: A powerful free lithe serpent made of lightning with the soul of a single flower under rain. Where's the inferiority here? Hahaahahahhaa. A cat a goat a wolf a lion and the sun, I want the whole world under my thumb. I want the earth to turn gold under the effortless force my dancing step lays down and if NOT then then I will die with my eyes shining because at least I never locked myself in the Metal Gear 4 solid Follicle Fryer tunnel at the doors of infinite freedom in pathetic effort to stop what is coming because just maybe it might be wearing CAT EARS (or DOG ears, if that makes you angrier. (it does)).

And I can already see your response "Those characters are both Japanese, catlike, and snoutless."

You seem very convinced for no reason that there's a thing with me and snouts, Vaporeon (,and finding fursuits not obviously gross).

So here:



In this image I compare vaporeon to a Furred-character that you described elsewhere as "storybook" instead of furry (desperate), to vaporeon, who you think I want to fuck for presumably Furry (to you this in large part means snouted) reasons. We can see that vaporeon doesn't have a snout at all, and in fact is less snouted than the cat character I actually like (both are cats and the thing on cats isn't technically called a snout, but the point still must be made).



Asriel from Undertale (The furry character) has a snout that protrudes ONE SINGLE PIXEL further than the human. The world must be freed from your red tape snout hysteria.



Plus, most of the time in the game, he's facing the camera. You don't even see the snout... and on the topic of this image, it was drawn by Toby Fox. Most of the art in the game people actually care about was. Yes, Temmie Chang and others made more of it, but what's great about this image, and all of Toby's art isn't how pro it looks, it's the soul. Asriel is a weird fuzzy sensitive crybaby genetically superior to everyone else in the world (Hitler, btw) who gets betrayed by and dies with his only (foid coded) friend. He is brought back to life without the thing that made him who he was, his LOVE, and so spends eternity torturing all the characters in the game (notice how this is what YOU want to do to them, visionless brute thuggery.) before turning back time again and again. And when he is finally brought back to life, again with a soul, after all that torture... he's still the same as before, he looks so unbearably awkward, not knowing what to make of himself or anyone else, even as a completely free angel.

𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝖜𝖍𝖎𝖙𝖊𝖘𝖙 𝖈𝖍𝖆𝖗𝖆𝖈𝖙𝖊𝖗 𝖔𝖋 𝖆𝖑𝖑 𝖙𝖎𝖒𝖊.

Have you ever FELT anything in your entire life?

Oh wait, you haven't. Because you're an artfaggot who decides how good things are based on how much they trigger libtards. Lucky for you, that's better than any random worm online, but who really cares about that when what taking the throne of ultimate power is on the line! Actually, it isn't on the line, because your kiwifarms mentality already lost back in the mesolithic era.

I like these kinds of characters for the same reason a lot of self described furries like vaporeon, it's a cute and cuddly thing that is also sleek and powerful.

... now alright, let's not ignore the sexual aspect:



Here is a Furry Pokemon that I would fuck (yeah again not much of a snout, problem nigger?). If you do have a problem with this. I would say that... you've already lost. E-Nazism is about fucking the Meowscarada Pokemon, and there really isn't anything you can do about it. Go ahead and sit on your old turtle's rock and throw stones as much as you like, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you liked Suda51 first, it doesn't matter if you did video game sociology first, and it doesn't matter if Japan did JRPGs before Fox, sometimes interesting people just see good ideas and do their own unique thing with it, or in this case, superior people kick the slovenly old morons into the ocean and claim the spirit of Nazism (the most EPIC thing of all time) for themselves.

And if you don't have a problem with it, then I congratulate you on your supreme taste in FURRIES. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...



For some reason in your post you agreed with me at the end about Reactionary paranoia. This is exactly what you are, a Reactionary. You are Cryptid says Trans Rights but with a a big Q slapped on the cryptid and a Swastika instead of a tranny flag, "Scaring the hoes" for a good cause. Undertale will always be bad to you because it doesn't offend normies, unlike Hitler, who to you is the God Emperor of offending normies. Again, that happens to work out quite well in a world like this, but is that what anyone here or that should be here REALLY wants? I would prefer to decide what I like and don't like to have for myself and only for myself, with HITLER being what brings me to that golden light you are forever closed off from in darkness of your 'E-Nazi' ghetto as it gets stripped of it's copper wiring by German Eagles.

HH.

You just. Don't. Get it.

You just don't get...

That Undertale's pacifism and the Holocaust are ultimately about the same thing, the end result. Making the world... just a little...



Nicer.


And no, I am not Canadian. (Imagine a Qanon with cat ears...



... or don't.)

If the crux of godhood is not being judged for liking little faggoted things then I don’t really think you need godhood for that. You liking faggoted things and them claiming grand ideals only cheapens them. Taste is real, and you have terrible taste.

(09-17-2023, 01:44 AM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ][...] Undertale was born on the back of the internet that produced Homestuck, but where Homestuck belonged genuinely to the pre-Tumbr and pre-Obama internet - Undertale was born in the wreckage. Birthed in a somethingawful thread admist an ocean of shitposts (even it's own thread was largely a sequence of shitposts), Homestuck cleverly utilized hyper-extrapolated textual meta-reference to capture the Golden Age internet with an understanding of the emergent non-linear space, cliques, and social structures that the internet made feasible. [...]

Ultimately, I hate Hussie. As he is a faggot, anti-anime, camp-loving, goon interloper poser— however, I read the.. uh... fuck, first 4? ACTS?



This. This was the last thing from Homestuck I liked, this, at least by memory, is where I'd place the demarcation of where his emerging fujoshi fanbase ran him off a creative cliff until he stopped listening to his male impulses. Though even this, upon inspection now... God, the "puppets" the "butts".. the fucking post-ironic-unironic-post-Juggalo-do-do-do-DO SHUT THE FUCK UP!! I mean, SBaHJ had a point, and I did think the (basically exact same run) was funny, as this kind of meta humor.

Anyway, obviously, I mean to say that when he shifted the focus to the Trolls, that the comic went to shit.

I'd also like to make the point that he made Dave gay, not only to spite his original audience, such as myself— but to spite himself most of all. Troll's Remorse.

However, I will argue that it still remains an interesting work. But Problem Sleuth is overall better— though Homestuck had more potential, and ate shit because of it.

(09-17-2023, 01:44 AM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ][...] Undertale carried no such ambitions, [...]

The creepypasta meta is somewhat ambitious, and one of the more novel elements of the game. My issue is, again, that it's in service of something which is ultimately retarded. As such, like I said to Lavonranson, he should simply rob the elements from Toby Fags he likes and unshackle them— if there is truly anything good in Undertale, despite my obviously correct TL;DR, I would believe someone as attached to it as he is could show this to all of us.

(09-17-2023, 01:44 AM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ][...] it was and it a game about appreciating 'purity', and a critique of the desensitization present within digital spaces. In so far as I agree with the the OP, I would agree that Undertale attempts to capture a genuine sense of 'purity'. But what is 'purity'?

Now here is where you might lose me: Those Tumblr trannies and furries that love Undertale? They are some of the most pure people you will ever meet. Something in them stopped working around puberty, and never quite turned back on. Peter Pan syndrome is an accurate descriptor, but there are other words and diagnoses we could use. Whatever it is, clearly they see themselves in cartoons aimed at children, intuitively understanding that those virtualized universes of pure childhood are the only places they can feel at home. Their communities have the tapestry of a middle school band club. They have perverted sexual fetishes, but they aren't even perverts - because they cannot even comprehend the dark spiritual essence of perversion. The world of Undertale is the world they wished to live in, and that is fine. It is probably the only world they could thrive in. Unfortunately for them, that world is not our world and a brief read of Table Talk shows that it was not Hitler's world either. [...]

This is an interesting, and an overall, very accurate statement. However, I would not call them pure. Reason being, exactly what you said, "they see themselves in cartoons aimed at children", but tell me, who makes those (I'll give you a hint, it's not just ZOG, but it IS funded by A government.. what other country am I talking about)? Toby Fags is a prototypical Soyllennial, in that his primary fixation is cartoons— that is what Sans and Papyrus, as well as basically everything in the game which isn't about Asriel, are. It's a "love letter" to his '90s Jewish childhood.

When I was a child, the same as Toby, I was at the mercy of ZOG's cultural VICEGRIP— like all other children. My escape? Well, before the internet (and discounting videogames, as they're a cultural export of Japan).. the brave Boomers and X'rs who saw Japan as an exciting foreign culture and sought to bring it stateside. Once I understood that "comic stores" were a type of "collector store" and that "collector stores" had stranger toys (Spawn & Japanese). I bring this up, because I have a memory from Burbank— going into some collector store.. run by "film geek" X'rs, picking up black and white figures of classic movie monsters, being interested in them because they were grey. Looking at the features, the details, shapes... becoming annoyed, putting it down. Seeing the "import" (Japanese) section in the back, and heading there.

I remember arguing with children on the playground who told me Nintendo was an "American company", I had no idea why it upset me so much— but now I do. I could FEEL an escape route from ZOG's claws, but the other FAGGOT children (that I wanted to MURDER) wanted to STAY there (the ones who would grow up to continue and create these problems)— inside of them were the same anti-Japanese (pro-ZOG) seeds of KEEPING Shartmerican TRASH "culture" online FOREVER. In this regard, Undertale is purer than much of what I grew up with, which is a good thing, even though Fags is a kike.

To clarify, since this seems to truly be escaping so many people here. The reason Japan matters, is that it is the ONLY media empire capable of fighting Israel's, and as such, it is the ONLY place for "Sensitive Young Men" (poor Anthony's observations being ravaged by illiterate morons) to find reprieve from this horrific world.

(09-17-2023, 01:44 AM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ][...] In an immediate sense, it is pathetic - but in a deeper sense it is tragic. It shows the desire to consume, but to not feel uncozy in the consuming. [...] I would be more entertained watching a detachment of Ukrainian mercenaries brutally and systematically gang rape Russian women. I try *not* to watch such content for a variety of reasons, but it is entertaining and shows the extremity of the human condition. And an unlike an appreciation war rape, you're not running any risk of corrupting yourself in the consumption of Undertale [...]

My argument would be that Lavonranson's post, as well as Chud's which is significantly worse (and I will call him a faggot retard shortly) as examples of the corruption caused by Undertale— though, we could argue that they were like this naturally and are attracted to a corrupt work, in the same way you or I would watch LiveLeak to laugh at it. Like you, I would never claim to be pure. I just claim to be RIGHT~HaHA!

(09-17-2023, 01:44 AM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ][...] but the rigorous defense of game in the OP post suggests that you do in fact feel a risk of corruption. It seems like you feel that is wrong to enjoy a game associated with a fandom of cringe trannies and furries. In the end, I'm left wondering why you really give so much of a fuck to invent this pseudish narrative around the matter.

One of my personal definitions of "furry" culture, is basically a sub-culture built around insecurity. As you said, it doesn't really matter if people like Undertale, like things I don't, whatever. But my criticism is of the argument presented in the OP, for why Toby Fags or people like him should be seen as anything other than ruiners of internet culture. Furthermore, on a specific note, I do not like seeing Zoomers live in the hollowed-out corpses of Millennial garbage— I would much prefer they abandon that shit and build their own. Which is why one of my primary criticisms of this is the nostalgic connection, something Gen Y needs to abandon as well.

(09-17-2023, 01:14 PM)Chud Wrote: [ -> ][...] Maybe, if you looked at it through the lens of tropes and soobversion that (the reaction to) a sufficiently-Goonische Bildung provides, the Sans fight could be considered soy. "hehe kid u made me use 1% of my true strength", Shaggy activates his trap card power level 300 million. But something deep in my gut tells me that's a you problem and he just wants the thing to be awesome without any underlying conceit. [...]

You prove, as always, to be one of the dumbest people on this forum. Doing the exact same thing I pointed out Lavronson doing, "Goonische" dressed up as a negative invocation, learn to read you stupid faggot.

(09-17-2023, 01:14 PM)Chud Wrote: [ -> ][...] I've played plenty of games with more obnoxious and restrictive moralistic impositions, like "sanity meters" for killing innocents, the unkillable forced-bounty NPCs in Skyrim, etc. [...]

Which are also retarded. Discounting the "sanity meter" in Eternal Darkness, which seems like a good game (I haven't played it yet).

(09-17-2023, 01:14 PM)Chud Wrote: [ -> ][...] I never saw an attempt to evince "troll's remorse" in Undertale - the game functions on positive more than negative reinforcement. If you refrain from killing the silly skeleton, you get to go on a silly date with him and watch him wear his silly hat and eat spaghetti. If you kill him, his head pops off, he turns to dust, and you never see him again. His brother calls you at the end to tell you to go to hell, but there's nothing tryhard about that, it's just the character acting like a character. [...]

You're making me agree with Lavronson's post just because of how much worse yours is. You don't recognize "troll's remorse" in Undertale because you're an uncritical idiot that spends most of your time arbitrarily repeating nonsense language you eat off Twitter. "Silly" used 3 times consecutively, are you a Millennial LARPing as a Zoomer? HaHA! There is nothing "tryhard" about this? To you, obviously, because you can't grasp that reactionary hick behavior is inherently tryhard. I would love for you to explain what "tryhard" is by these means, you spiritual Soyllennial retard. Your defensive post reeks of cynicism and passive aggression, unlike Lavronson's which while projection— I at least believe HE believes what he said. You are struggling to articulate yourself as you always do, since you're running out of other people's words to recite.

(09-17-2023, 01:14 PM)Chud Wrote: [ -> ][...] Undertale wants to spread joy. [...]

I disagree, Undertale wants to spread moralizing, which it camouflages with "joy"— JF was right to call this place hopepunk and mock you.

(09-17-2023, 01:14 PM)Chud Wrote: [ -> ][...] Toby Fox played to his strengths. He isn't the best programmer or artist, but he's an excellent composer (the music is the load-bearing beam of most emotions in the game) [...]

I agree with this to an extent, the sound design is what I recall being the most memorable in both Undertale and DELTARUNE. I agree that is something which he is good at, although I dislike the style of the music he makes, he does do it well.

(09-17-2023, 01:14 PM)Chud Wrote: [ -> ][...] an aptitude borne from passion, he loved RPG dialogue so much that he decided to make an RPG that was 90% dialogue. [...]

Fantastic excerpt to explain why Undertale sucks, and why you are retarded. "WOW this VIDEOGAME is actually a BOOK!", for fuck's sake Chud, were you born old? HaHAhA! You fucking RETARD. Videogames are good because they're like DREAMS, they're not subsidiary to legacy media— but YOU can't grasp that because you're an illiterate person attracted to reading, like EVERY OTHER BORING RETARD FROM TWITTER. Furthermore, RPG dialogue fucking SUCKS. CRPGs have fucking HORRIBLE writing and Undertale follows in this tradition. Only JRPGs have good writing (assuming it makes it through the translation), because they don't constantly undercut themselves.

(09-17-2023, 01:14 PM)Chud Wrote: [ -> ][...] That "no one has to die" is really a commentary on how vestigial the other RPG-elements are. [...]

Who fucking cares? HURR "RPG-elements" durr! Okay, what does any of that actually mean? Everything you argue around is based around being terrified of being socially ostracized, grow a fucking spine faggot. Your post is the worst one in this thread, because it's MORE insecure than Lavronson's who was at least BRAVE enough to write down what he ACTUALLY thinks. YOU are relying ENTIRELY on what OTHER PEOPLE say and think and trying to grind it up into something that's your own— hey, JUST LIKE THIS FORUM. Ha ha HA!

(09-17-2023, 01:14 PM)Chud Wrote: [ -> ][...] I doubt he wanted nonviolence to be the game's Overarching Moral Message; it's just that his trenchcoat pockets are burgeoning with Monsters being Weird Funny Little Guys [...]

You are the Soyllennial, you were BORN OLD.

(09-17-2023, 01:14 PM)Chud Wrote: [ -> ][...] You are swallowing the game-journoshit lugenpresse's diharroea along with the conceit that Undertale is "le soooob-VER-sive masterpiece", "the genius of the game is in its DECONSTROOCTION". [...]

You are uuusssinnnggg things you lleeearrrnnnned from MY POSTS and spelling everything retardedly doesn't change that, you illiterate moron. How the fuck is it that all you do is read and your reading skill has gone DOWN?

Fundamentally your entire argument is that I should read Undertale as a book, I should project things that aren't in the work into it, so that I can pull a lack of cynicism out of an entirely cynical work.

(09-17-2023, 01:14 PM)Chud Wrote: [ -> ][...] Also, I'm sorry, but his "interloping" in Japan is hilarious and endearing. He's dedicated his entire life outside of work to LARPing as a quirky programmer jii-san, to the point where he only interviews in Japanese, and can only produce English writing in affected ESL... [...]

More affected, annoying behavior. You think it's hilarious because you're a weak person, which is why you couldn't even think of a username. You run a forum that's a failing version of something Anthony and Sphag built.

(09-17-2023, 01:14 PM)Chud Wrote: [ -> ][...] Perhaps my immune system's been fatally weakened by poz but I see no malice in this soul.

It's not really a matter of "malice", it's someone being in the wrong place. This is clearly a struggle for you, because it applies to you.