(12-03-2023, 02:15 PM)Hamamelis Wrote: [ -> ]Is the solution to introduce fascism? Why do you think Fascism would relieve this dilemma of social leverages? And if it does, can we introduce it gradually (create Fascist groups in which life can get better without "self help")?
From
My Autobiography, Chapter 3: "The Book of Life" by Mussolini:
Quote:It is a general conviction that good or bad friends can decisively alter the course of a personality. Perhaps it may be true for those fundamentally weak in spirit whose rudders are always in the hands of other steersmen. During my life, I believe, neither my school friends, my war friends, nor my political friends ever had the slightest influence upon me. I have listened always with intense interest to their words, their suggestions and sometimes to their advice, but I am sure that whenever I took an extreme decision I have obeyed only the firm commandment of will and conscience which came from within.
I do not believe in the supposed influence of books. I do not believe in the influence which comes from perusing the books about the lives and characters of men.
For myself, I have used only one big book.
For myself, I have had only one great teacher.
The book is life — lived.
The teacher is day-by-day experience.
The reality of experience is far more eloquent than all the theories and philosophies on all the tongues and on all the shelves.
From
Parega and Paralipomena, Chapter 22: "On Thinking for Oneself" by Schopenhauer:
Quote:[§ 258] ... Scholars are those who have read in books, but thinkers, men of genius, world-enlighteners, and reformers of the human race are those who have read directly in the book of the world.
[§ 259] At bottom, only our own fundamental ideas have truth and life; for it is they alone which we really and thoroughly understand. The ideas of someone else which we have read are the scraps and leavings of someone else’s meal, the castoff clothes of a stranger.
The idea of another which we have read is related to our own that occurs to us as the impression in stone of a plant from the primeval world to the blossoming plant of spring.
Both of those excerpts, in my opinion, are better descriptions of self-help than pre- and peri-Petersonian attitudes, which I'd define more appropriately as "life advice" or something along those lines. Now, can we give a little ground and say that Mussolini may have been puffing and embellishing a bit? We probably can, I think. But at the same time, I don't think that it's a controversial view on this Forum to say that
most people need to be led. After all, Mussolini did become
The Leader,
The Boss... and contrary to what the victor-approved history and slander tell us, I really believe that
The Followers truly loved him as such.
Duce ti amiamo.
Schopenhauer says that it is only those higher types that choose to read directly from the
book of the world. Thus, not everyone is going to be able to do this. But shouldn't they at least try as much as they can? There is a quote by Jonathan Bowden: "
You can do a bit, but you're born to be what you are! And we should celebrate what we were born to be." The incompetent guest above me would do well to internalise that, as nothing about this is the wholesome chungusism that he (?) wants to believe that it is. He can 'serious hat' soyjak me and continue to bite the ankles of everyone here all he wants, because the truth is that he wasn't born to be a
thinker, but rather a
guest, a
nigger, someone who will
never understand.
Anyway, Hamamelis, to your questions: I think that we need to be very careful when we consider the reintroduction of systems as they existed when respectively implemented in the first place, lest we'll end up kidding ourselves into thinking that solving modern problems is as simple as "retvrning". This, to me, is the problem of ideology on [a big part of] the Right that the left doesn't really have as much. There are many that think that if we just introduced bands of
squadristi IRL then we could solve most of the problems that
we have today. It's fantastical and, frankly, a bit immature in my eyes. Conversely, when we look at the left, we see people (so-called) that cling to a constantly evolving set of views and definitionless ""ideology"" (i.e., whatever they say it is) in order to justify an ever-increasing intrusion upon the average person's way of life.
So it would seem to me that "to introduce fascism" outright is not the solution—nor do I believe that it would even be possible in the foreseeable future—but I don't think that this means that we can't take the core of what it was about to lay the foundation for something worthwhile. We should think about how the left, despite all its bullshit talk of kumbaya, is actually made up of all of the most jealous, selfish, and backstabbing types alive. Disgusting liars who only know how to exploit and molest the naïve of the world (both spiritually and physically...) for their own
personal gain. We should also think about how Fascism was definitely correct in its response to this, and how those aspects can be used in a way in which the rising tide lifts all
our boats. How can we cultivate an understanding of a similar sense of unity for a shared higher purpose that benefits the whole and not
only the individual, while still benefitting the individual?
If it isn't currently possible to
physically recreate this, I'd like to find a way to do so
spiritually. I believe that there are some places that are worth trying to start. I'm just going to quote what I wrote out in another
thread:
Quote:To that end, since my premise here is that these types of young guys seem to be attracted to characters that appear to reflect their personal situations, I think that it would be necessary to first find ways to foster real life friendships before making a bunch of friendless people wish that they had friends. I was surprised by the discussion of this in the shoutbox because -- as many here have recently expressed desire to rehabilitate forms of male bonding from antiquity -- no one mentioned anything about one that has existed and remained true for thousands upon thousands of years. That being, athletics. I'm not talking about watching niggerball on the TEE VEE and talking about it with braindead retards. I'm not even talking about going to the gym and lifting so you can be a cool "RW" "bodybuilder". Rather, I'm talking about the bonds that groups of men can form through sport by making a physical and mental sacrifice together with the sole objective being a shared desire to WIN. Few things come closer to the feeling of having a shared investment in accomplishing a goal than training for hours, months, years together, knowing that a tenth of a second is what might separate each of you, together as one, from victory or defeat. You'd be surprised how many never get to experience something like this. In both the winning and the losing, I believe one can find some of life's most valuable lessons that can only be learned as such.
I believe you have to promote this first. A requisite that must exist before.
I know that you mention sports being a common quip. Though in my mind, the essence of athletics as described above is almost no different than that of my interpretation of Fascism: anti-egalitarian, homosocial (masculine), sacrificial, and so on. Perhaps most of us here are past the age to experience youth or collegiate sports. But since I agree with anthony that the problem is really one of
society, I see no reason why we shouldn't consider potential solutions that would plant the seeds for those that will come after us.