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(11-29-2023, 11:05 AM)august Wrote: [ -> ]Ctrl+f through here... perhaps even—and I know this is a big ask—read through some of it.

Aidan McLear Wrote:Imagine us in a shady basement dive, a few drinks in, casually talking shit about politics and life

He Norwoods in the third sentence of the first paragraph. I would not personally use this blog as evidence of his brilliance, as it seems more of a monument to the opposite.

It was actually the fourth sentence… I have been defeated by my own wrong.

Guest Wrote:Quite embarrassing to see this man pretend he doesn’t care about Amarnite critique on his Xitter account when talking about this forums critique of him, while simultaneously engaging in impassioned defense of it on the forum (that too to a literal homosexual tranny). Delete your niggerxost and Hail Amarna Forum now or delete your reply to Zed. You cannot straddle the line.

I care about critique- what I posted about on Twitter was shallow hate that I was expecting and did not respond to here because it was funny but not worthy of comment.

“Amarnite” does not mean that much to me because this forum is rather quiet and its commenters individuals with particular rather than monolithic opinions but I do have respect for the milieu the word represents; despite substantial disagreements I actually believe that it is one of very few reservoirs of aristocratic spirit today in certain respects.

And yeah, my old blog is a product of its time and some things in it are going to sound like coal today. Big deal. Male friendship is the fundamental unit of society and I don’t care if that impinges superficially on what the MtM lumbersoy troon professes as a value.

It was not shallow critique, it was a salient encapsulation of the fact that you are essentially an dandelion, not an orchid; capable of living in dysgenic times without being disturbed. The problem you have isn’t the problem of the Sensitive Young Man, it’s the problem of the jock, or the pickup artist, it’s the fact that women have become twisted and evil, and so your access to pussy is now gated. The SYM is truly affected by this world, and understands that the only reason to live in it is to use it to achieve some higher purpose (I think maybe you also believe this, but in a more cynical BAPist way). You don’t understand this, and so your book cannot work fully to express the life of one. You even have the gall to attack those you have named your book after!

I only looked at your blog due to augusts recommendation. I think it’s somewhat absurd to say that it’s been long since the blog was made when it’s only been 5 years. I’ve been clearpilled on the AOC for over a decade now, how is it that you still remained in the Longhouse in 2018?

august Wrote:

Zed Wrote:Next time, show us who you were before you ever posted a single tweet on X.com.

Mason Hall-McCullough Wrote:Interesting theory, but I think I'm going to stick with the more parsimonious explanation as to why you chose this subject matter and style, which is that you can't write, wanted attention, wanted to brag about how you "slay pussy", and don't possess an inner world.

Both embarrassing things to type out if you have even the slightest familiarity with the person that they're directed at, which, obviously, neither of you do. Mason made nearly the exact same attack on BAM not long ago on this most glorious Forum (while admitting that didn't read that either, like the many others) and was deservedly ragdolled around so humiliatingly that, if that had been me, I'd have made a new account and thought long and hard before posting even a single sentence here again.

Ctrl+f through here... perhaps even—and I know this is a big ask—read through some of it. Nothing about who the author is or was should have been a secret to anyone, and nothing in the book should have come off as boastful larping... or whatever the both of you are implying that it was.

I'm not embarrassed to be unfamiliar with this random 2k follower substack guy, there are a lot of them. This PDF looks a lot more worthwhile from reading a few posts. Maybe Aidan felt his efforts writing traditional blogs were unappreciated and realized how easy it would be to farm attention with some sexual clickbait slop instead. The point he intended to get across about casual sex being "authentic" or whatever could have been conveyed much more clearly and persuasively in a 1000 word blog post, as evidently it went over the heads of even those who were able to stomach reading the whole thing.

I've never attacked BAM, because I hadn't read it. If I recall I was attacking BAP's article on populism and his tweets. I am reading BAM lately and am drafting a post about it (keep losing interest), so far it hasn't challenged my expectations.

Guest Wrote:It was not shallow critique, it was a salient encapsulation of the fact that you are essentially an dandelion, not an orchid; capable of living in dysgenic times without being disturbed. 

how is it that you still remained in the Longhouse in 2018?

I am an oak, which reaches its highest potential in a healthy environment but will grow strong though twisted even in a rancid swamp.

And drinking with your friends is not the longhouse. My ancestors have been getting drunk and rowdy with their friends in every generation back to the Eurasian steppe six thousand years ago. Certain turns of phrase and stylistic motifs have become coalish through overuse and misinterpretation.

Just a factual correction, you COULD make that woman yours. The Philippines has no divorce procedure and is pretty lax with globohomo homewrecking stuff in general. Just be expat rich, convince her to belong to you forever, and enjoy!

...albeit in the third world

Strange to see people critique Aidan for unwarranted grossness, his ~2018 blog suggestion to only have sex with women if you have the intention to make them yours has steered me from the contemporary male lifestyle and towards better plans. I should add that this standard only really works as a moral bound you apply to yourself and not as an ethical measure- but since we don't live in a society, you only need the former.

Not gonna read the sex book though. I don't like the trope where the whole story is about a guy who is just lost in this crazy world. (except Selfie Suicide of course) At best this sort of book captures some cynical part of the beast or reveals some suppressed instinct.

Also, ahem! Accountants, make a new thread! This is the Recommend books thread!

august Wrote:Both embarrassing things to type out if you have even the slightest familiarity with the person that they're directed at, which, obviously, neither of you do.

I'll grant you that I have zero familiarity. Or I thought I did - I have apparently seen his 'battleaxe' PDF before, but forgot the authorship and did not read much of it. Reviewing it now, it seems better suited to the author - because it is actually a manifesto. Which is the right vehicle for this kind of writing.

Quote:How can you say this and then immediately admit that you haven't read it? I really don't wish to go back and forth on the whole thing much more, since Aidan personally gave comment, but I'm almost shocked that someone can call it "not raw" and uninviting of the "psychological state" while having only read a 3 or 4 paragraph excerpt. Is it just me? Because that excerpt specifically, in my opinion, was one of the most real parts of the book in terms of what it conveyed about the tragedy of modern sexual relations.

I hate it when the literary text preaches at me in explicit terms. I think it was Anthony who once noted, in a discussion about Dune, that the difference between left wing authors and right wing authors is that good RW fiction authors set out to tell a story, rather than directly espouse ideology. Several other good books mentioned in this thread are written by RW authors who managed to avoid preaching - but my critiicism should be taken with the grain that I have not read the entire thing - I was put off by what I read. I am not a fan of ZHP and I dislike his later output - but before his writing went to shit, his first two short stories were interesting both because they engaged with new ideas and did so without preaching so directly.

Quote:You would likely not believe me if I told you that it is not ex-post-facto rationalization through a “redpill” filter. If you read it, which you said you didn’t, you watch the protagonist’s views evolve throughout the book. It is actually about how I came to believe what I believe through struggle against the world, things that I felt with apocalyptic fury before I ever made a Twitter account or read a word of Heartiste.

Others have commented that “Sensitive Young Man” is an inaccurate title. It is an inaccurate title. It does not line up with the consensus of a SYM. It is intentionally an inaccurate title because I reject this consensus view that a fully ensouled non-normie must necessarily withdraw from the world. I am trying to in part be provocative against people who have abandoned this struggle just as the book is a far more vicious imprecation of the “live laugh love” normie who says that this stuff doesn’t matter and you should touch grass.

A man must impose his inner world on the outer world or be a slave.

Right, I don't disagree with your sentiment and I would never advise anyone to 'retreat' from the world.

Beyond the 'show don't tell criticism', my critique on the snippet was based in the overwhelming feeling of familiarity. Clearly we've read some of the same blogs, many predating frogtwitter - and you've directly echoed and paraphrased them. Might not be intentional, cryptomensia is a real thing, and I have to watch for it when I am writing. Heartiste came to mind instantly, because the romantic tone of it and the way the language was employed. Of course - I also smell BAP, Nietzsche, Jim, and Tacos on it.

Having influences is not a sin - in fact, it is a good thing - but I felt too much like I was reading the echoes of voices of others, not your own.

Zed Wrote: 
Right, I don't disagree with your sentiment and I would never advise anyone to 'retreat' from the world.

Beyond the 'show don't tell criticism', my critique on the snippet was based in the overwhelming feeling of familiarity. Clearly we've read some of the same blogs, many predating frogtwitter - and you've directly echoed and paraphrased them. Might not be intentional, cryptomensia is a real thing, and I have to watch for it when I am writing. Heartiste came to mind instantly, because the romantic tone of it and the way the language was employed. Of course - I also smell BAP, Nietzsche, Jim, and Tacos on it.

Having influences is not a sin - in fact, it is a good thing - but I felt too much like I was reading the echoes of voices of others, not your own.

It’s not a story, it’s an autobiography. It doesn’t have a traditional plot structure because my life did not follow one. Autobiographies all have this semi-artificial quality in which the author ascribes significance to events that aren’t arranged as a plot. Inherent weakness of the form. 

Somewhat unfortunately the passage quoted by august is the preachiest part of the book and the passage where I basically turn to the reader directly to explain why I did what I did. I’ll freely admit it as a weakness of craft; if I’d spent more time with it I could have illustrated the point without having to wax philosophical, but I hope the reader will allow me that one moment (McCarthy does it all the time) because the rest of the story isn’t like that; my inner state is merely alluded to by a roiling internal monologue

And yeah, my book is part of a milieu. I’m with Eliot on literary theory here in regards to general conformity of style with other writers.

chevauchee Wrote:It does not line up with the consensus of a SYM.

It does not align with the definition of the SYM. The self-insert protagonist of Sensitive Young Man is not sensitive to the world; he is comfortable enough in it that he abandons his struggle with it and allows it to impose itself on him. The SYM-proper would sooner see the world consumed by nuclear fire than compromise with it.

There exists no polemical justification for your definition of "sensitivity." "The realm of 'sex relations' as an arena in which authentic Life threatens to erupt through the surface of fakeworld," i.e. the sexual marketplace as an arena in which true love can be discovered, is the axiom of every normalfaggot to ever exist. Yours is a moderating, deradicalising definition.

What you have written is a pamphlet about a sensitive nigger. You may have just as well written one about a square circle.

Guest Wrote:The last sentence is an ironic play on Nietzsche’s saying that a man’s story ends when he gets married; that the protagonist’s story is only just beginning is one of those things I thought I made too obvious but nobody picked up on.

You have missed the overarching moral message, you old faggot.

(11-29-2023, 02:30 PM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ]I hate it when the literary text preaches at me in explicit terms. I think it was Anthony who once noted, in a discussion about Dune, that the difference between left wing authors and right wing authors is that good RW fiction authors set out to tell a story, rather than directly espouse ideology. Several other good books mentioned in this thread are written by RW authors who managed to avoid preaching - but my critiicism should be taken with the grain that I have not read the entire thing - I was put off by what I read. I am not a fan of ZHP and I dislike his later output - but before his writing went to shit, his first two short stories were interesting both because they engaged with new ideas and did so without preaching so directly.

owwwwwwww, you make my thinking sound so trite.

I don't mean to rulefag about what to post where, if people are engaging with each other I'm happy. But as someone pointed out above this is the book recommendation thread. Let me get us back on track and talk this issue through again, via what will become a recommendation. A full elaboration on this subject would demand a full thread to get a proper treatment so let me skim ahead here.

You put it that a RW author might set out to tell a story rather than espouse values. I would put it more that a RW author can just tell a story, and the values will be naturally expressed within it, as they form the bones of all things exciting, heroic, interesting, and simply true.

As I once said to some faggot on twitter, who was trying to say that Fallout is leftist and stupid gamers miss the point. I guess because there's an evil corporation and government or something. The most striking political statement in Fallout is that you can solve problems by shooting people in the face whenever you get sick of them. I don't necessarily think that this was intentional (as a statement), but they built a world of action. In which you can be a man of any kind of action. A thoughtful person might find the experience rather clearpilling. "You could just shoot them. They'll be gone."

My thinking is particularly focused on genre writing. In fantasies we can say a lot more about the world. In the realm of social realism we're basically forced to put our thoughts into someone we're writing to convey the point. Because otherwise what can emerge from a depiction of the world in which we live but the world in which we live? A scenario which expresses beliefs which break from that reality would have to break from reality itself. And then we're writing fantasy of one kind or another. This isn't something I'll hold against writers of realist fiction of any kind as failures of realist writing. I just think this stuff tends to be less interesting than genre because of it. DH Lawrence writes nicely and his characters have interesting things to say, their relationships do demonstrate the points. But I think I enjoy him more as an essayist. Very sharp and to the point. I wonder if he'd be bothered by my saying that.

Now I said I'd give a recommendation. This might give some form to this post.



This is 'Red Rising' by Pierce Brown. Something I read on Zed's recommendation.

It's a novel which runs on what we might consider a lot of "YA" tropes. But is also a rather serious work which is attempting to be true to a broadly and deeply informed picture of what humanity is. It's a story about a powerful and hierarchical society which is disrupted by a popular revolution of its lower ranks. As is typical of "YA". Several other popular tropes appear and frame the story, I won't even say which ones here because it's interesting which ones do and how each is made rather interesting by the author's larger than YA appreciation of the human condition. The man enjoys quoting the Romans and Greeks and clearly knows them well. He invokes the tropes and fun ideas of various older and heavier works of literary science fiction. The premise is YA, but the spirit is more Dune than Hunger Games, more Starship Troopers than Divergent, etc. But it gets stranger. There's a character named as a Gundam homage later on. And at one point in the second novel I'm about 60% sure he's quoting a certain internet person leftists are not supposed to concede points to. I'm pretty sure that Gundam thing isn't a passing meme and he actually understands Tomino. His revealed taste is rather heroic for a man writing in a field mostly patronised by redditors. And I think if you know how to read it shows all through the thing.

If there's a point to this post it's that I believe that fidelity to "RW" ideas lends a certain structural fidelity and harmony to a work which is trying to aim for any kind of big picture idea about the human condition. And that I strongly recommend reading this relatively simple, somewhat YA novel that's popular with that kind of person to see how the whole thing is uplifted, ennobled, and just made so readable by the unusual richness of the author's engagement with history and ideas. Engagement along lines that one might consider ours. As far as a trend in art can belong to anybody, an idea I don't really like. And I don't mean to do Brown discredit by suggesting that very good genre fiction assembles itself once you become based enough, he is clearly very good at what he does and a person with a mature and interesting view of the world.

Further and more elaborate comments on the history of YA and action and the particulars of this work I'll save for when I actually make a thread on it. Remind me in the shoutbox if I don't do that soon.

anthony Wrote:Now I said I'd give a recommendation. This might give some form to this post.

I'll reserve my detailed thoughts and analysis until Anthony's thread, but I really can't shill this series enough. It is very much the kind of book that people on this forum would enjoy. Gundam is a great comparison, and so is LotGH. The great credit to the author is that he allows the world to take itself seriously in its full moral complexity. My two sentence pitch to Amarnites: The first books clearly positions the protagonist against a cruel eugenic aristocracy, but one recalling Greece and Rome and it is treated with a fair amount of respect and reverence (even, at times, by the protagonist himself). One has to endure a little bit towards the early parts of the first book where it may seem like a book about space communism - the name does the series a disservice - but it quickly becomes clear that the antagonists are of the Char/Reinhard make.

chevauchee Wrote:

Guest Wrote:It was not shallow critique, it was a salient encapsulation of the fact that you are essentially an dandelion, not an orchid; capable of living in dysgenic times without being disturbed. 

how is it that you still remained in the Longhouse in 2018?

I am an oak, which reaches its highest potential in a healthy environment but will grow strong though twisted even in a rancid swamp.

And drinking with your friends is not the longhouse. My ancestors have been getting drunk and rowdy with their friends in every generation back to the Eurasian steppe six thousand years ago. Certain turns of phrase and stylistic motifs have become coalish through overuse and misinterpretation.

Having IFL (in fake longhouse, the based way to say IRL) friends is the longhouse, actually. By extension drinking with normies is norwooded. Having sex with normies is worse, it's bestiality, which you are guilty of.

Exactly, I've been thinking about this extensively for the past few days, how I have zero friends and don't feel the need for any friends whatsoever. The only type of conversation I can bear is the one that takes place in this forum in particular, populated by intelligent people speaking about subjects they find interesting.

You can't have this IRL(or IFL) anywhere.

People no longer go to IFL events, only women and normies go to those places and from my observation they're always five years behind in culture.

https://ia800701.us.archive.org/32/items...usashi.pdf



I highly recommend reading Musashi by Eiji Yoshikawa. It is a highly engaging read with excellent prose and it just has some rather funny moments such as every single word that comes out of Takuan's mouth. Here is probably my favorite excerpt so far from my reading...

"It does happen, of course, that the priesthood has been on bad terms with
womankind for some three thousand years. You see, Buddhism teaches that
women are evil. Fiends. Messengers of hell. I've spent years immersed in the
scriptures, so it's no accident that you and I fight all the time."
"And why, according to your scriptures, are women evil?"
"Because they deceive men."
"Don't men deceive women too?"
"Yes, but . . . the Buddha himself was a man."
"Are you saying that if he'd been a woman, things would be the other way
around?"
"Of course not! How could a demon ever become a Buddha!"

Mein Kampf (the ford translation) is actually quite insightful and good. Lots of interesting things there from a sensitive young man. Maybe pair with a biography of Hitler for a more well-rounded understanding (Zoomer Historian on YouTube has a good series I think?)

I'm going to pair it with David Irving and a very heavy heaping of internet articles about the technical aspects (maybe wages of destruction, nignore moralfagging)  of the war to get a good, well rounded view of the great struggle 

Also there was a guy here who was reading Toby Wilkinson's "The Rise and Fall of Ancient Egypt": it's actually pretty great if you ignore moralfagging: Know "we wuz kangs" goes back to atleast the 8th century B.C. and since the 20th dynasty the entire thing has been a cargo cult for one of the most interesting peoples (races?) to ever live, even including the modern Arab """Egyptians"""

He's since been bodysnatched into a never Trumper GOP mannequin, but P.J. O'Rourke's Holidays in Hell is an entertaining account of varying shitlocales during the Reagan era.

(01-25-2024, 08:33 AM)La Méritocratie En Marche ! Wrote: [ -> ]It's all an aesthetic for this fag. He will NEVER understand.

I don't think so. Aidan has been around for quiet some time and the use of SYM in his book's initial title was very likely used in admiration for the idea and concept rather than grifting or poking fun. He's already explained it himself and even 'republished' the book with the term removed from the title—surely a gesture of goodwill. There's many people that deserve this attack before him, in my opinion.

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Anyway, here's a recommendation for history lovers: An Account of the Natives of the Tonga Islands, in the South Pacific Ocean. It follows William Mariner's personal account of being shipwrecked in the South Pacific at just 14/15 years old and living with the Tonga peoples for four years. It really reminds one of how these peoples lived only two centuries ago, and how they now occupy a privileged position in the Anglo sphere of the Pacific (I assume many saw the video a bit back of that Maori MP performing a rain dance or something before being sworn into NZ parliament). There's one particular account of how the islanders killed a previous European crew that landed there, ate them, got sick from doing so, and subsequently died as a direct result or shortly thereafter in one of their so-called "battles" with another tribe. They concluded from this that the God of the Whites was superior to their own and reaffirmed it to themselves by figuring that since the Whites were smarter than them, their God must be more powerful than theirs. Another funny one is Mariner showing a group of islanders a watch for the first time, to which they thought that it was alive inside, smashed it, and then asked Mariner to make it work again. Anyway, celebrate #IndigineousCulture. Yay!

GraphWalkWithMe Wrote:Praise

Going further into the book through the Apartheid South Africa and 1986 West Europe sections, O'Rourke reveals himself as a genuinely proud piece of shit. However talented of a writer/critic he might have been, he fails to not embody the ugliest GOP'er stereotypes of hubristically unvarnished chauvinist boneheadedness and race-traitordom.

Quote:The day before I left Berlin, I ran into a dozen young Arab men on the street. They were trotting along, taking up the whole sidewalk, accosting busty girls and generally making a nuisance of themselves... They descended on me and loudly demanded cigarettes in German.

"I don't speak German," I said.
"Are you American?" said one, suddenly polite.
"Yes."
"Please, my friend, if you don't mind, do you have a cigarette you could spare?"
I gave them a pack. "Where are you from?" I asked.
"West Beirut,"...
"I've been there," I said.
"It is wonderful, no?"
Compared to Berlin, it is. "Sure," I said. They began reminiscing volubly. "What are you doing here?" I asked.
"Our families sent us here because of the war. We want to go back to Beirut but can not"... One of them stuck out his middle finger and said, "This place sucks."
"You should go to America," I said.
"There is only one thing bad about America"... "They won't let us in."