03-26-2024, 12:43 PM
The nature of personality discourse online is of interest to me. Astrology, MBTI, enneagram, etc. These are scattered across various spheres of the internet, where you may have encountered them at some point. There are arguably worthwhile insights to be gained from a more esoteric consideration of any of these theories, which you are free to discuss. Here my intent is mostly to draw attention to this as a means of examining what I believe is a much more general pattern.
MBTI is the most popular on 4mex. You can take the test if you are interested in knowing your "type."
There are also some fairly active and thriving communities dedicated to this. If you don't want to read 300 pages of debate about whether Makima uses Extraverted Feeling or Introverted Intuition, a quick glance around may suffice to give you an idea of what is going on in these places.
Despite the apparent complexity of the lexicon, this of course bears very close resemblances to the kind of discourse that takes place in many other online spheres. Overall a common thread seems to be the desire to frame life with uncritical words and categories. There is no way to verify that these terms do in fact refer to things. But they do logically determine something, and have meaning in relation to each other, one may even live through them as a "dialectic" and have their entire experience of reality refracted through them accordingly. But the more seriously that such concepts are taken, the deeper one is drawn into the unreality that they delineate. An unreality that consists primarily of neurotic habits and social rituals.
The ostensible purpose of such personality psychoanalysis is to facilitate individuation, or a wider understanding of one's nature and ability to relate to others. But you only need to take a cursory glance around these places to see that this is not what is happening. People aren't being led into some flourishing of personal taste or creativity or curiosity about the world. They are learning how to more fully consummate their observations of the world with meme formats. The hope is that this will perhaps lead them to the promised land of having of a normal one, or at least make their affected schizo eccentricity more credible, because now they can label it and "gatekeep" others.
As such, through all of this, the true matrix of behavior (what leads one to fixation with something like personality typology in the first place) remains unexamined. Thus, what could rightfully be described as a genuine change of character or personality never actually seems to occur for these people. This is clearly attested to by the reality of what these communities are generally like (not very different from anywhere else).
Which brings me to the other point. If e.g. women actually do have deep ambivalence about desires to draw boys cutting each other up with knives, or sexual fascination with objecthead characters etc., these are clearly-enough articulated manifestations of cultural phenomena that one can examine their exact genealogy in media or other areas of life. Pointing us away from abstract meme dialectics and toward concrete causes and conditions of social life as it exists. We now have a starting point for inquiry and at least a rough idea of the nature of the issue in question.
Lastly, part of the reason that I bring this up is because of its direct relevance to the "psychology" polemic that keeps resurfacing. Namely the question of whether psychology is "real" or has any use. My feeling is that the actual issue does not concern psychology as such, but this much more universal and deeply-rooted tendency. The lack of desire or capacity for critical thought lends itself naturally to memeification or other forms of social stupidity. Of course this manner of thought also avails itself as a means of simply reframing (they're compensating/projecting, etc.) rather than trying to understand the thoughts, feelings or actions of others, and imagining that you're doing psychology. But it is still possible to seriously think about these things.
MBTI is the most popular on 4mex. You can take the test if you are interested in knowing your "type."
There are also some fairly active and thriving communities dedicated to this. If you don't want to read 300 pages of debate about whether Makima uses Extraverted Feeling or Introverted Intuition, a quick glance around may suffice to give you an idea of what is going on in these places.
Despite the apparent complexity of the lexicon, this of course bears very close resemblances to the kind of discourse that takes place in many other online spheres. Overall a common thread seems to be the desire to frame life with uncritical words and categories. There is no way to verify that these terms do in fact refer to things. But they do logically determine something, and have meaning in relation to each other, one may even live through them as a "dialectic" and have their entire experience of reality refracted through them accordingly. But the more seriously that such concepts are taken, the deeper one is drawn into the unreality that they delineate. An unreality that consists primarily of neurotic habits and social rituals.
The ostensible purpose of such personality psychoanalysis is to facilitate individuation, or a wider understanding of one's nature and ability to relate to others. But you only need to take a cursory glance around these places to see that this is not what is happening. People aren't being led into some flourishing of personal taste or creativity or curiosity about the world. They are learning how to more fully consummate their observations of the world with meme formats. The hope is that this will perhaps lead them to the promised land of having of a normal one, or at least make their affected schizo eccentricity more credible, because now they can label it and "gatekeep" others.
As such, through all of this, the true matrix of behavior (what leads one to fixation with something like personality typology in the first place) remains unexamined. Thus, what could rightfully be described as a genuine change of character or personality never actually seems to occur for these people. This is clearly attested to by the reality of what these communities are generally like (not very different from anywhere else).
Which brings me to the other point. If e.g. women actually do have deep ambivalence about desires to draw boys cutting each other up with knives, or sexual fascination with objecthead characters etc., these are clearly-enough articulated manifestations of cultural phenomena that one can examine their exact genealogy in media or other areas of life. Pointing us away from abstract meme dialectics and toward concrete causes and conditions of social life as it exists. We now have a starting point for inquiry and at least a rough idea of the nature of the issue in question.
Lastly, part of the reason that I bring this up is because of its direct relevance to the "psychology" polemic that keeps resurfacing. Namely the question of whether psychology is "real" or has any use. My feeling is that the actual issue does not concern psychology as such, but this much more universal and deeply-rooted tendency. The lack of desire or capacity for critical thought lends itself naturally to memeification or other forms of social stupidity. Of course this manner of thought also avails itself as a means of simply reframing (they're compensating/projecting, etc.) rather than trying to understand the thoughts, feelings or actions of others, and imagining that you're doing psychology. But it is still possible to seriously think about these things.