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(05-17-2023, 02:16 AM)scarmiglione Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-12-2023, 11:42 AM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ]There is a small subset with the delusion implied (full acceptance of both sides of the double-bind), but the delusion itself is something of an artifice in general.

....Without an anchor of "gender dysphoria", there is only an identity founded on external, in-group signifiers with little to no gatekeeping.

Genuine question- do you think a fair amount of younger trannies get into this whole thing solely through pornography or fetish content? How do trannies distinguish amongst themselves who among them is a gooner looking to fill a sexual desire and who is "real", if a distinction is made?

Dysphoria itself is an artifice. It can be induced or uninduced, though it takes unusually high amounts of will and self-understanding to recognize and act on it - in either direction. I have no issue with trannies who self-consciously transition because of sexual reasons... if anything, I regard them as possessing a deeper awareness. I find that that the concept of 'sexual fetish' is innately clinical, irrationally minimizing towards a drive that occupies a fairly degree of the conscious mind. People live and kill for sex and intimacy - the desire for it is foundational to their characters and selves. If anything, I find myself more disdainful of ascetic perspectives which reject sensuality out of hand, and trivialize it's pursuit. A sizable number of trannies refuse to accept or embrace the part of themselves that their see as 'tainting' the purity of their motivation  and they are cowards for it. Dysphoria and narcissism form natural bedmates.

I do agree though with the criticism you're getting at it here. Tranny culture, as it currently stands (and has been rightly characterized by others here), is a depressing assemblage of media and external signifiers and bereft any real driving motive. To date it has produced relatively little of worth. Yet shared appreciation in such things does form a baseline for establishing friendships/relationships, and those can be meaningful on a personal level. One ultimately desires something genuinely productive and novel to emerge from it, rather than rehashed nostalgic time-traps... If I could hope for anything, perhaps a genuine exclusive outer-culture where being tranny was secondary to some set of higher values.

Why would anyone hope for "tranny" being part of some outer-culture? They are physically broken, by definition. There is no hope for any higher works to come from them.

Unless you simply mean gay. I suppose that people cross the two over interchangeably at this point. But a homo is not always a tranny.

Or is this in the vein of tranny-maxxing via magical drugs etc. I genuinely don't know. Why do you have this hope, poster Zed?

(05-17-2023, 03:45 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]Why would anyone hope for "tranny" being part of some outer-culture? They are physically broken, by definition. There is no hope for any higher works to come from them.

Unless you simply mean gay. I suppose that people cross the two over interchangeably at this point. But a homo is not always a tranny.

Or is this in the vein of tranny-maxxing via magical drugs etc. I genuinely don't know. Why do you have this hope, poster Zed?

Most trannies disappoint me - but not all. The concentration of genuinely interesting idiosyncratic weirdos is higher, and I've been fortunate enough to know several. By comparison, the E-right is overwhelming a cesspool of genetic trash in its own right, but there specks of gold when was makes an effort to look. Still, I don't attempt any apologism for 'trannies' as a collective, because there is simply none to be had. 

As for hopes? In the end, my earnest hope is towards a future where humanity attempts to conquer and impose itself on it's biology - all of this is a preludes to  augmentations, cybernetics, and ultimately eugenics. I find something beautiful in the imposition of the human will on the body, even (or perhaps especially) when it defies nature. I wish to see that defiance intensified, and I wish that I could see trannies pursue transition with a will analogous to to that of men who pursue bodybuilding - where the conscious reshaping was done for it's own sake, rather than deriving from petulant neuroticisms. That is where I would dream of such a outer-culture emerging.

(05-17-2023, 04:40 PM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-17-2023, 03:45 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]Why would anyone hope for "tranny" being part of some outer-culture? They are physically broken, by definition. There is no hope for any higher works to come from them.

Unless you simply mean gay. I suppose that people cross the two over interchangeably at this point. But a homo is not always a tranny.

Or is this in the vein of tranny-maxxing via magical drugs etc. I genuinely don't know. Why do you have this hope, poster Zed?

Most trannies disappoint me - but not all. The concentration of genuinely interesting idiosyncratic weirdos is higher, and I've been fortunate enough to know several. By comparison, the E-right is overwhelming a cesspool of genetic trash in its own right, but there specks of gold when was makes an effort to look. Still, I don't attempt any apologism for 'trannies' as a collective, because there is simply none to be had. 

As for hopes? In the end, my earnest hope is towards a future where humanity attempts to conquer and impose itself on it's biology - all of this is a preludes to  augmentations, cybernetics, and ultimately eugenics. I find something beautiful in the imposition of the human will on the body, even (or perhaps especially) when it defies nature. I wish to see that defiance intensified, and I wish that I could see trannies pursue transition with a will analogous to to that of men who pursue bodybuilding - where the conscious reshaping was done for it's own sake, rather than deriving from petulant neuroticisms. That is where I would dream of such a outer-culture emerging.

Thank you, this does explain it. The tranny-maxxing, "real" Nietzschean type of thinking. I wrote a post earlier to expound on my question, I will include a segment of it for the interest of lurkers, other posters etc. 

"I will add a little context: People like Plath and the Bell Jar. This is another physically broken person. It's an enjoyable enough read etc. etc. People can debate it one way or another. But the culture that sprung up around it is fairly easy to see as worthless. The original work is similar as well.

People might want to bring up Tchaikovsky, but I think he is more of the opposite. He (apparently) banged men and women. Or maybe just men, or maybe just women. Again, whichever one you choose is fine. He also was not at the level of physical broken-ness as the platonic tranny. Or even Plath.

I am struggling to think of some physical wreck (of tranny degree, self-inflicted) that has delivered anything of worth in any field. If there is some exception, sure, that's fantastic. But it seems even in that case to be an exception that proves the rule. 

Futile hopes, that attempt to dream that the symptoms of degeneration will somehow bear fruit (in the face of historical precedent) are something that I think each must combat in himself. Sometimes a development is purely negative. It will deliver nothing worthwhile, like the histories of most countries and peoples on this Earth.

It's a similar tendency in those who wish for "Fusion" music to somehow bear a new masterpiece. Taking African sounds etc. and mixing with Western and Asian and so on and so forth. It never works. The basic truth is that: African music is bad. Asian music is sub-par. Western music simply reached heights that no other even came close to. 

It doesn't particularly matter if one has this tendency. It will be washed away. Inconsequential things always disappear. But I do question: Why does the tendency arise? "

The final question is the real question I suppose. But it's a difficult one to answer, and you don't owe me the answer. Nietzsche did write the answer already, but still I must go through the process to know it truly. 

For your consideration now: Will is not separate from Nature or separate from the body. Nor is self-inflicted pain the evidence, or performance, of Will.

(05-17-2023, 05:06 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]For your consideration now: Will is not separate from Nature or separate from the body. Nor is self-inflicted pain the evidence, or performance, of Will.

I don't object to this despite what my somewhat loose usage of the word 'natural' may suggest. My deepest conception of 'natural' subordinates all of the universe onto it, and becomes as full (or as empty) as the divine itself. Unnatural becomes as meaningless a misnomer as unbeing. I assume, as a general prior, that people have more valuative distinctions in their usage of the word and try to argue within frame.

Quote:Why does the tendency arise? 

Since you already mentioned Nietzsche, I may as well try to avoid going too philosophical. Personal is probably more interesting, in any case.

So let me give a subjective personal answer: I am only interested in the segment of humanity that is divergent or 'broken' in a way that I find personally captivating. Coincidently, that is also why I post here. I've been with both men and women, but I do largely prefer trannies - and no small part of that is libidinal. I find the idea of a boy who surrounded his maleness is intensely erotic and always have. From one frame, it is tempting to moralize such as a tragedy, but from another.  - the sacrifice of it, and the becoming female - speaks directly to the heart of eros. Imagine renouncing the entirety of ones bloodline and genetic fate in favor of a singular intense aesthetic experience. It is degeneracy (or down-going) when viewed from the lens that preoccupies itself with large scale social optimization - but sometimes beautiful, in a darkly perverse way, when looked at up close. And there, even Nietzsche esteemed down-go'ers, serving as they do the law that exists beyond.

(05-17-2023, 07:47 PM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ]I find the idea of a boy who surrounded his maleness is intensely erotic and always have. From one frame, it is tempting to moralize such as a tragedy, but from another.  - the sacrifice of it, and the becoming female - speaks directly to the heart of eros. Imagine renouncing the entirety of ones bloodline and genetic fate in favor of a singular intense aesthetic experience. It is degeneracy (or down-going) when viewed from the lens that preoccupies itself with large scale social optimization - but sometimes beautiful, in a darkly perverse way, when looked at up close. And there, even Nietzsche esteemed down-go'ers, serving as they do the law that exists beyond.

What a bunch of pretentious faggotry. Why don't we start an Amarnite Cuckoldry thread and let some other nietzschean coomer tell us about the transgressive beauty of letting niggers fuck your wife

(05-18-2023, 05:36 PM)Handi Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-17-2023, 07:47 PM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ]I find the idea of a boy who surrounded his maleness is intensely erotic and always have. From one frame, it is tempting to moralize such as a tragedy, but from another.  - the sacrifice of it, and the becoming female - speaks directly to the heart of eros. Imagine renouncing the entirety of ones bloodline and genetic fate in favor of a singular intense aesthetic experience. It is degeneracy (or down-going) when viewed from the lens that preoccupies itself with large scale social optimization - but sometimes beautiful, in a darkly perverse way, when looked at up close. And there, even Nietzsche esteemed down-go'ers, serving as they do the law that exists beyond.

What a bunch of pretentious faggotry. Why don't we start an Amarnite Cuckoldry thread and let some other nietzschean coomer tell us about the transgressive beauty of letting niggers fuck your wife

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(05-18-2023, 05:36 PM)Handi Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-17-2023, 07:47 PM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ]I find the idea of a boy who surrounded his maleness is intensely erotic and always have. From one frame, it is tempting to moralize such as a tragedy, but from another.  - the sacrifice of it, and the becoming female - speaks directly to the heart of eros. Imagine renouncing the entirety of ones bloodline and genetic fate in favor of a singular intense aesthetic experience. It is degeneracy (or down-going) when viewed from the lens that preoccupies itself with large scale social optimization - but sometimes beautiful, in a darkly perverse way, when looked at up close. And there, even Nietzsche esteemed down-go'ers, serving as they do the law that exists beyond.

What a bunch of pretentious faggotry. Why don't we start an Amarnite Cuckoldry thread and let some other nietzschean coomer tell us about the transgressive beauty of letting niggers fuck your wife

Honestly, that would be a good and interesting thread. Actual cuck fetishes are 'right-wing' anyway - because the pleasure emanates from a sense of debasement/transgression and a violation against ones property (the wife). Shitlibs just do open-relationships, and construct elaborate narratives for why their relationships are more healthy.

Quote:Actual cuck fetishes are 'right-wing' anyway - because the pleasure emanates from a sense of debasement/transgression and a violation against ones property (the wife).

I don’t think that’s what right wing means.

(05-18-2023, 09:04 PM)BillyONare Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Actual cuck fetishes are 'right-wing' anyway - because the pleasure emanates from a sense of debasement/transgression and a violation against ones property (the wife).

I don’t think that’s what right wing means.

It's a bit of a personal astrology - but I do find it entertaining to try to extrapolate values from fetishes when possible. The cuck fetish is 'right wing' in so far as it is transgressing against right-wing values, but the erotic potential necessitates an acknowledgement of those values. By a similar token, 'non-consentual sex', 'guns', 'fucking your teacher', are 'slut humiliation' are 'left-wing' fetishes. The key is in what value is being transgressed - as the fetishist must attribute some weight to it in order to take pleasure.

Other things, such as foot fetishes, are implacable.

"Penguins mate for life, thus penguins are implicitly coded with right-wing values."

This is what you sound like right now. You're a degenerate wordcel retard living in a fog of disjointed abstractions and you should be slotted for sport irl. By your logic trannies are also right-wing for violating traditional gender norms, and teen cunny enjoyers are left-wing for violating progressive age of consent taboos. It's gibberish, in fact, all of the examples you cited as "left-wing fetishes" are just ordinary female sexuality. 

Here's a real take on cuckolds, they're just spineless beta males who cannot into desire from their wives on account of being spineless, so they let a marginally better man fuck her just to watch her act horny and slutty. It's an audiovisual monkey stimulus for them and your pseud take of self-annihilating transgression being the core of eroticism is just a projection of your own faggy diseased mind. No, it wouldn't be interesting to read a pornbrained voyeur pondering the intricacies of using his wife as a live sex show, just like it's not interesting reading your own reams of navel-gazing on the aesthetic eroticism of pretending to be a woman. You're a vapid thinker and a vapid conversationalist and your being a tranny is just another symptom of that. You can't stop yourself from getting wrapped up in spirals that degenerate and lead to nowhere, both verbally and sexually. You know they lead nowhere and for you, that's the point. If you were capable of generating meaningful insight on sex perversion then you wouldn't be a sex pervert. Fuck off, your posts are all coal.

(05-18-2023, 10:45 PM)Handi Wrote: [ -> ]...

Although not universal, obsession with taboo is the essence of a very large class of fetishes. Erotica centralizes and structures itself around such taboos and transparently conveys their function, and that is why all such stories - regardless of their fetish content -  follow the same basic arcs.

Well there may be some men into cuck shit for the reason you described - my sense of it has always been that cucks deeply enjoyed their humiliation. And if google through places like F-List, you'll find strong correlations between cuckoldry with other debasement/humiliation fetishes. The fetish is arousing to them even in the abstract. Either way, if you don't attempt to understand these things subjectively, you do not understand them. Deviant sexuality is intensely psychological, and is not reducible to direct physical sensory experiences.

(05-15-2023, 03:33 AM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]

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(05-12-2023, 11:42 AM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ]Only amongst those who come from conversative families/backgrounds does one still consistently find elaboratively well-developed self-narratives justifying themselves to themselves.

Did you mean Conservative or did you actually mean families who talk a lot about stuff?

Specifically Conservative, and somewhat more specifically - religious. The 'self-narrative retro-construction' process aligns at some proportionally with the tendency to have previously engaged in a repression.

I get you. It's a very rough deal to have a sense of right paired with no serious preparation or cultivation towards any coherent and satisfactory ideal of right existence.

The nature is Desire, Will is the servant of Desire(self-consciousness). “Sense of Right” or an acknowledgment of the Desire is rather an understanding of progress. We all feel the flow of time, we want positive change(Progress) and not negative change(Decay). Yet as it stands Desire and Fulfillment are realized by the self in the material world. Desire needs proportioned Power to be realized, without sufficient Power we suffer alienation from reality(Do I Exist?). Suppression, to know something blocks ones will produces hate. We hate what binds us and holds us back, the object of hate needs be met with destruction for fulfillment of the will. Acknowledgment of lost time, of how long we have been held back from fulfillment causes grief  and vendetta.

Self-narrative, a construction of events in one’s life towards a central theme. It’s always connected to Justification—Justification is Social. To live in the hyper-social is to be infected by it. It is not from suppression that one sees An emergence of a complex Social Narrative but rather by contact with Social pattern of thought—with Morality. Right Existence is a Narrative tool, it’s not living like Desire. 

It’s religious(Social element) thought and not Suppression that most likely causes it—yet it is also most likely tainted by the hate of suppression. Resentment does not need complexly, just obsession.

"being a tranny is actually BASED and RW... so is being a cuckold... homosexuals? RW as well..."

(05-19-2023, 12:35 AM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]"being a tranny is actually BASED and RW... so is being a cuckold... homosexuals? RW as well..."

Quote:The cuck fetish is 'right wing' in so far as it is transgressing against right-wing values, but the erotic potential necessitates an acknowledgement of those values.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/202...odder.html

To be crystal clear - tons of men are cuckolds by definition. Some just call it an 'open relationship', and don't derive any sexual pleasure from it - just insecurity and heartache. But again, I was speaking on the fetish and that is a separate thing entirely.

On the Nietzschean tranny thing—I think trannies would most align with the inverse cripples described in Thus Spoke Zarathustra. They are neither approaching the Overman nor the Last Man but rather fragments of what used to be human.

Zarathustra Wrote:“I see and have seen worse, and some of it so hideous that I do not want to speak of everything, and of a few things I do not even want to remain silent; namely human beings who were missing everything except the one thing they have too much of – human beings who are nothing more than one big eye, or one big maw or one big belly or some other big thing – inverse cripples I call such types.
And as I came out of my solitude and crossed over this bridge the first time, then I didn’t believe my eyes and I looked and I looked again and said at last: ‘That is an ear! An ear as big as a person!’ And I looked more closely, and really, beneath the ear something was moving that was pitifully small and pathetic and thin. And, in truth, the gigantic ear sat upon a little slender stalk – but the stalk was a human being! If one used a magnifying glass one could even recognize a tiny, envious miniature face; even a bloated little soul dangling on the stalk. But the people told me that the big ear was not only a human being, but a great human being, a genius. But I have never believed the people when they speak of great human beings – and I maintained my belief that it was an inverse cripple who had too little of everything and too much of one thing.”

Zarathustra Wrote:“Truly, my friends, I walk among human beings as among the fragments and limbs of human beings!
This is what is most frightening to my eyes, that I find mankind in ruins and scattered about as if on a battle field or a butcher field.
And if my gaze flees from the now to the past; it always finds the same: fragments and limbs and grisly accidents – but no human beings!”

I Imagine trannies to be a bloated head with eyes to small to see, ears closed to the world, a nose too full of hair to smell, and a crooked mouth with a tongue that can not taste anything. They are absorbed within themselves and have not the capacity for anything other than this.

The simple enough reality is that this desire for "perfect tranny-world" is the same as the desire for "perfect nigger-world". One wants for something that cannot exist.

I very much enjoyed the good Reverend's quote and post above. It certainly applies.

I will go back to the question of why, except now: Why not? And I will answer for myself at least.

Women, for all their strangeness, are women. They occupy that space, and the system works. Men are the same in their space. Ignoring other considerations: Allowing people to switch between the spaces is inherently destabilizing, causing great stress to anyone personally related (not just by blood) with any of these trannies(who, for the sake of a generous example, are able to "perfectly" change into the other.) Now, let's ignore this consideration, and go to another one.

The type of man who wishes to become a woman is the type of man I do not wish to have as a neighbor. A state is made up of neighbors. I simply can't trust any sort of creature who was born as I was, and found it lacking or "wrong." They are clearly retarded, because it is very enjoyable to be a man. I expect many women to feel the same regarding women who wish to become men. This might seem silly, but again, it's basics of any organization. I don't want these people in my organization. Even if they could achieve their dream fully enough to fool me. I would not want them "around."

But let's ignore this consideration too. And move on to Resources. Time, energy, focus are all resources that each man has to account for. Similarly, a state does too. Allocating resources to make "perfect nigger-world" or "perfect tranny-world" removes resources from other projects. The amount of resources required for both dreams is...massive. As we have already seen. I am not willing to make the trade (although obviously, some other state might want to.)

Anyhow, these are a few reasons against such a thing even in a very generous hypothetical situation.

Sorry for the tangent. Back to the main topic. I can ask the easy question now: Has the poster Zed ever experienced genuine desire from a beautiful woman? IOW: Desire to please you, purely. With no other intent etc. Please note that I am excluding trannies from this question, although I understand you may consider them to be women etc. etc.

It is a somewhat cruel question but I do believe it's important. Sociology of the tranny applies to both the product and the consumer. The two interact and change each other.

The question itself is key because such a thing "soothes" the anxiety of a man's inner sexual (emotional?) conflict. Yes, it's an un-necessary and small conflict. But it is applicable to this subject. I have seen the before/after with such a thing. If one has had love, one can stop thinking about it as some "everything." The same (or equivalent) effect is also achievable with pure will.

An old, tired idea still seems true enough to me. Man fears rejection from woman. Or boy fears it from girl. They desire sexual release, intimacy. They go for what is familiar and less cruel (seeming) in rejection. It doesn't apply to every homo, but I think it applies to more now than it did before, when the sexual dynamics of civilized countries made it easier for one to attain aforementioned "love." There is another angle of the same idea: Submitting, passiveness, is easier than to become a predator, initiator, aggressor sexually. Because one fears the moral punishment, fears being "a bad person", "pushy", "rapey", etc. And then if one "becomes" a woman, then are they not automatically a "better person?" Etc. etc. I guess both angles apply to different people. The first angle is more for the man who "takes" the other man. The second for the one who is taken.

As for "eroticism", I disagree. You can probably find many stories of "fetishes" suddenly disappearing once one enters a relationship where they are having sex in which both parties are enthused with the other. I am biased since I experienced something similar (fapped to anal porn but then the actual act was terribly uninviting and I refrained despite offers etc.) I know the opposite story is somewhat of a meme, "he/she wouldn't do that and it destroyed the relationship", but I do not think it is representative of reality. At least, not from what I've seen (in friends as well.) I wonder how much of it is driven by neuroticism, anxiety, the wish to "be interesting."

The offers for anal were most certainly driven by anxiety in the girls (in my case.) They worried that I might want such a thing and wanted me to know that I could have it, in other words, that I did not have to get it somewhere else. There are probably many odd requests, offers, etc. that are accepted these days when both parties do not even want the thing. I also wonder if some trannies do it simply to make things "not gay" for a closeted gay man (or desperate straight man?) of some kind. I'm not too familiar with this sort of situation, so this could be very off-base.

This is a topic where "the internet is real" must be considered for its consequences. We communicate ideas, etc. etc. put on various masks, clothes. Make "friends" and so on and so forth. I suppose lovers in both non-tranny and tranny sense. It seems that great delusion is a consequence of this. I also gained much from the internet, as others did. But the flip-side is there too. People want to take their digital self into the physical world. Because they think that "the internet is real". I understand the idea does not naturally mean this, and there is indeed a digital world and physical world that are separate and both are real. But the common person does not, and they do not understand the distinctions. They take it to mean real in all senses. As others said, some people want the physical world to see them as their avatar. Similar maybe to schizophrenia in those who immigrate to a country with a vastly different language. It's an ever-present danger to those who only socialize through the internet, who attain emotional comfort etc. etc. through this sort of thing. Obviously, the internet is very valuable and I don't especially want it limited (although it is already gone that way.) The solution need not involve limiting the internet or anything like this, as simple real-world law and order would do the job perfectly well.

Apologies for the rambling nature here, but I hope there is something of value despite retreading old ground.

(05-19-2023, 08:03 AM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]The simple enough reality is that this desire for "perfect tranny-world" is the same as the desire for "perfect nigger-world". One wants for something that cannot exist.

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Women, for all their strangeness, are women. They occupy that space, and the system works. Men are the same in their space. Ignoring other considerations: Allowing people to switch between the spaces is inherently destabilizing, causing great stress to anyone personally related (not just by blood) with any of these trannies(who, for the sake of a generous example, are able to "perfectly" change into the other.) Now, let's ignore this consideration, and go to another one.

The type of man who wishes to become a woman is the type of man I do not wish to have as a neighbor. A state is made up of neighbors. I simply can't trust any sort of creature who was born as I was, and found it lacking or "wrong." They are clearly retarded, because it is very enjoyable to be a man. I expect many women to feel the same regarding women who wish to become men. This might seem silly, but again, it's basics of any organization. I don't want these people in my organization. Even if they could achieve their dream fully enough to fool me. I would not want them "around."

But let's ignore this consideration too. And move on to Resources. Time, energy, focus are all resources that each man has to account for. Similarly, a state does too. Allocating resources to make "perfect nigger-world" or "perfect tranny-world" removes resources from other projects. The amount of resources required for both dreams is...massive. As we have already seen. I am not willing to make the trade (although obviously, some other state might want to.)

I think you're mistaking that I advocate for 'perfect-tranny-utopia' - I don't favor any such thing. The only political ideal I wish for is maximizing all forms of freedom and allowing communities/groups to segregate as they are naturally inclined to. Not quite out of an ideologically principled libertarianism either - I just wish to see advancements unchecked, and the future unbound form the stasis that currently impedes it. Aside form that, I couldn't really give a shit less about 'stability' or other such things.

Quote:Sorry for the tangent. Back to the main topic. I can ask the easy question now: Has the poster Zed ever experienced genuine desire from a beautiful woman? IOW: Desire to please you, purely. With no other intent etc. Please note that I am excluding trannies from this question, although I understand you may consider them to be women etc. etc.

It is a somewhat cruel question but I do believe it's important. Sociology of the tranny applies to both the product and the consumer. The two interact and change each other.

I've never felt desire towards women, nor desired them to desire me as such. At least, not in way that went beyond youthful power fantasies and ego satisfaction. But I have had experiences with women, and with one in particular who would be considered generally quite beautiful. Granted only a handful of times - and it did nothing for me. It was more of something I did to test myself a specific point in time, and it gave an answer. 

Whatever sexual fantasies I tried to have about women during points in my early adolescence always quickly mutated into a desire to be her. Aside from that, I've also had a fairly seething misogyny from a young age. I've probably written about some of that elsewhere in this thread, but I generally them grating to be around. There is a small handful of women in my life that I hold respect for, but never desire.

In general, the conception of attraction to women is alien to me, but I understand an attraction to femininity. Towards men in the past, I've generally preferred assuming a submissive role. But I'll readily acknowledge that there is a part of me that can enjoy taking a dominant role in sex, though I only ever feel that inclination towards trannies or effeminate femboys. But even there, I favor features that are not fully 'female' such as flat chests. Although I prefer lithe trannies that pass and are conventionally attractive, if they seem too much like a woman - that too is a turnoff. There must be something 'male' in them for me feel intense romantic feelings toward, otherwise I tend to usually just see them as toys.

As for the desire you describe - Where I have experienced it was with my lover, and that is also the context where I felt it fully back towards her. I genuinely do not believe that I am capable of feeling it towards women.

I think most of it has to do with low self-esteem. They're just broken men who derive pleasure from sexual masochism.

(05-17-2023, 04:40 PM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ]The concentration of genuinely interesting idiosyncratic weirdos is higher, and I've been fortunate enough to know several.

Name one. I cannot for the life of me think of a single half-interesting troon, and it is exceedingly difficult to even imagine such a thing. If some misshaped, ill-formed, mentally twisted paraphiliac in a dress and clown makeup came into my house, my first instinct wouldn't be to listen intently to all of his "interesting" and "bold" ideas and creations - it would be to immediately cave his head in with an especially heavily wall ornament and feed his body to my twelve Dobermans.

Trannies, like all fetishists, are fundamentally boring people, because sex itself is incredibly mundane, worldly, and boring. Huemans have been trying (and failing!) to make sex high-brow and aesthetic for centuries. Without the few actually transcendent and beautiful elements attached to it (namely the domination of the Feminine by the Masculine and the generation of new eugenic Aryan life - which even then so often fall into becoming mundane chores of maintaining mere life) this lionization of fetishism ends up sounding like waxing poetic about your last bowel movement or the ham sandwich you just had. I know that I would be an infinitely less interesting thinker and poster if I tried to construct my identity around some elaborate word-salad slave morality cope for my paraphilias, and spent my days writing long-winded yet ultimately well-constructed prose about the Nietzschean case for feederism and the keyed nature of female obesity and how in the Keyedstaat Aryan nanomachines will allow me to have my harem of 800-pound teenage anime waifus, or whatever the hell my filthy flesh can come up with and my lying rational mind can justify. It's not so much that it's gross - it's just boring. You got a boner from something weird? Who cares. Everybody does.

"You see, Nietzscheanism is when you do something that you want, and the more you want to do it the more Nietzscheanist it is. It's all quite simple really."