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(05-18-2023, 09:04 PM)BillyONare Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:Actual cuck fetishes are 'right-wing' anyway - because the pleasure emanates from a sense of debasement/transgression and a violation against ones property (the wife).

I don’t think that’s what right wing means.

It's a bit of a personal astrology - but I do find it entertaining to try to extrapolate values from fetishes when possible. The cuck fetish is 'right wing' in so far as it is transgressing against right-wing values, but the erotic potential necessitates an acknowledgement of those values. By a similar token, 'non-consentual sex', 'guns', 'fucking your teacher', are 'slut humiliation' are 'left-wing' fetishes. The key is in what value is being transgressed - as the fetishist must attribute some weight to it in order to take pleasure.

Other things, such as foot fetishes, are implacable.

Handi

"Penguins mate for life, thus penguins are implicitly coded with right-wing values."

This is what you sound like right now. You're a degenerate wordcel retard living in a fog of disjointed abstractions and you should be slotted for sport irl. By your logic trannies are also right-wing for violating traditional gender norms, and teen cunny enjoyers are left-wing for violating progressive age of consent taboos. It's gibberish, in fact, all of the examples you cited as "left-wing fetishes" are just ordinary female sexuality. 

Here's a real take on cuckolds, they're just spineless beta males who cannot into desire from their wives on account of being spineless, so they let a marginally better man fuck her just to watch her act horny and slutty. It's an audiovisual monkey stimulus for them and your pseud take of self-annihilating transgression being the core of eroticism is just a projection of your own faggy diseased mind. No, it wouldn't be interesting to read a pornbrained voyeur pondering the intricacies of using his wife as a live sex show, just like it's not interesting reading your own reams of navel-gazing on the aesthetic eroticism of pretending to be a woman. You're a vapid thinker and a vapid conversationalist and your being a tranny is just another symptom of that. You can't stop yourself from getting wrapped up in spirals that degenerate and lead to nowhere, both verbally and sexually. You know they lead nowhere and for you, that's the point. If you were capable of generating meaningful insight on sex perversion then you wouldn't be a sex pervert. Fuck off, your posts are all coal.
(05-18-2023, 10:45 PM)Handi Wrote: [ -> ]...

Although not universal, obsession with taboo is the essence of a very large class of fetishes. Erotica centralizes and structures itself around such taboos and transparently conveys their function, and that is why all such stories - regardless of their fetish content -  follow the same basic arcs.

Well there may be some men into cuck shit for the reason you described - my sense of it has always been that cucks deeply enjoyed their humiliation. And if google through places like F-List, you'll find strong correlations between cuckoldry with other debasement/humiliation fetishes. The fetish is arousing to them even in the abstract. Either way, if you don't attempt to understand these things subjectively, you do not understand them. Deviant sexuality is intensely psychological, and is not reducible to direct physical sensory experiences.
(05-15-2023, 03:33 AM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-15-2023, 02:43 AM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-14-2023, 10:16 PM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-12-2023, 11:42 AM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ]Only amongst those who come from conversative families/backgrounds does one still consistently find elaboratively well-developed self-narratives justifying themselves to themselves.

Did you mean Conservative or did you actually mean families who talk a lot about stuff?


Specifically Conservative, and somewhat more specifically - religious. The 'self-narrative retro-construction' process aligns at some proportionally with the tendency to have previously engaged in a repression.

I get you. It's a very rough deal to have a sense of right paired with no serious preparation or cultivation towards any coherent and satisfactory ideal of right existence.

The nature is Desire, Will is the servant of Desire(self-consciousness). “Sense of Right” or an acknowledgment of the Desire is rather an understanding of progress. We all feel the flow of time, we want positive change(Progress) and not negative change(Decay). Yet as it stands Desire and Fulfillment are realized by the self in the material world. Desire needs proportioned Power to be realized, without sufficient Power we suffer alienation from reality(Do I Exist?). Suppression, to know something blocks ones will produces hate. We hate what binds us and holds us back, the object of hate needs be met with destruction for fulfillment of the will. Acknowledgment of lost time, of how long we have been held back from fulfillment causes grief  and vendetta.

Self-narrative, a construction of events in one’s life towards a central theme. It’s always connected to Justification—Justification is Social. To live in the hyper-social is to be infected by it. It is not from suppression that one sees An emergence of a complex Social Narrative but rather by contact with Social pattern of thought—with Morality. Right Existence is a Narrative tool, it’s not living like Desire. 

It’s religious(Social element) thought and not Suppression that most likely causes it—yet it is also most likely tainted by the hate of suppression. Resentment does not need complexly, just obsession.

Guest

"being a tranny is actually BASED and RW... so is being a cuckold... homosexuals? RW as well..."
(05-19-2023, 12:35 AM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]"being a tranny is actually BASED and RW... so is being a cuckold... homosexuals? RW as well..."

Quote:The cuck fetish is 'right wing' in so far as it is transgressing against right-wing values, but the erotic potential necessitates an acknowledgement of those values.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/202...odder.html

To be crystal clear - tons of men are cuckolds by definition. Some just call it an 'open relationship', and don't derive any sexual pleasure from it - just insecurity and heartache. But again, I was speaking on the fetish and that is a separate thing entirely.
On the Nietzschean tranny thing—I think trannies would most align with the inverse cripples described in Thus Spoke Zarathustra. They are neither approaching the Overman nor the Last Man but rather fragments of what used to be human.


Zarathustra Wrote:“I see and have seen worse, and some of it so hideous that I do not want to speak of everything, and of a few things I do not even want to remain silent; namely human beings who were missing everything except the one thing they have too much of – human beings who are nothing more than one big eye, or one big maw or one big belly or some other big thing – inverse cripples I call such types.
And as I came out of my solitude and crossed over this bridge the first time, then I didn’t believe my eyes and I looked and I looked again and said at last: ‘That is an ear! An ear as big as a person!’ And I looked more closely, and really, beneath the ear something was moving that was pitifully small and pathetic and thin. And, in truth, the gigantic ear sat upon a little slender stalk – but the stalk was a human being! If one used a magnifying glass one could even recognize a tiny, envious miniature face; even a bloated little soul dangling on the stalk. But the people told me that the big ear was not only a human being, but a great human being, a genius. But I have never believed the people when they speak of great human beings – and I maintained my belief that it was an inverse cripple who had too little of everything and too much of one thing.”



Zarathustra Wrote:“Truly, my friends, I walk among human beings as among the fragments and limbs of human beings!
This is what is most frightening to my eyes, that I find mankind in ruins and scattered about as if on a battle field or a butcher field.
And if my gaze flees from the now to the past; it always finds the same: fragments and limbs and grisly accidents – but no human beings!”

I Imagine trannies to be a bloated head with eyes to small to see, ears closed to the world, a nose too full of hair to smell, and a crooked mouth with a tongue that can not taste anything. They are absorbed within themselves and have not the capacity for anything other than this.

Guest

The simple enough reality is that this desire for "perfect tranny-world" is the same as the desire for "perfect nigger-world". One wants for something that cannot exist.

I very much enjoyed the good Reverend's quote and post above. It certainly applies.

I will go back to the question of why, except now: Why not? And I will answer for myself at least.

Women, for all their strangeness, are women. They occupy that space, and the system works. Men are the same in their space. Ignoring other considerations: Allowing people to switch between the spaces is inherently destabilizing, causing great stress to anyone personally related (not just by blood) with any of these trannies(who, for the sake of a generous example, are able to "perfectly" change into the other.) Now, let's ignore this consideration, and go to another one.

The type of man who wishes to become a woman is the type of man I do not wish to have as a neighbor. A state is made up of neighbors. I simply can't trust any sort of creature who was born as I was, and found it lacking or "wrong." They are clearly retarded, because it is very enjoyable to be a man. I expect many women to feel the same regarding women who wish to become men. This might seem silly, but again, it's basics of any organization. I don't want these people in my organization. Even if they could achieve their dream fully enough to fool me. I would not want them "around."

But let's ignore this consideration too. And move on to Resources. Time, energy, focus are all resources that each man has to account for. Similarly, a state does too. Allocating resources to make "perfect nigger-world" or "perfect tranny-world" removes resources from other projects. The amount of resources required for both dreams is...massive. As we have already seen. I am not willing to make the trade (although obviously, some other state might want to.)

Anyhow, these are a few reasons against such a thing even in a very generous hypothetical situation.

Sorry for the tangent. Back to the main topic. I can ask the easy question now: Has the poster Zed ever experienced genuine desire from a beautiful woman? IOW: Desire to please you, purely. With no other intent etc. Please note that I am excluding trannies from this question, although I understand you may consider them to be women etc. etc.

It is a somewhat cruel question but I do believe it's important. Sociology of the tranny applies to both the product and the consumer. The two interact and change each other.

The question itself is key because such a thing "soothes" the anxiety of a man's inner sexual (emotional?) conflict. Yes, it's an un-necessary and small conflict. But it is applicable to this subject. I have seen the before/after with such a thing. If one has had love, one can stop thinking about it as some "everything." The same (or equivalent) effect is also achievable with pure will.

An old, tired idea still seems true enough to me. Man fears rejection from woman. Or boy fears it from girl. They desire sexual release, intimacy. They go for what is familiar and less cruel (seeming) in rejection. It doesn't apply to every homo, but I think it applies to more now than it did before, when the sexual dynamics of civilized countries made it easier for one to attain aforementioned "love." There is another angle of the same idea: Submitting, passiveness, is easier than to become a predator, initiator, aggressor sexually. Because one fears the moral punishment, fears being "a bad person", "pushy", "rapey", etc. And then if one "becomes" a woman, then are they not automatically a "better person?" Etc. etc. I guess both angles apply to different people. The first angle is more for the man who "takes" the other man. The second for the one who is taken.

As for "eroticism", I disagree. You can probably find many stories of "fetishes" suddenly disappearing once one enters a relationship where they are having sex in which both parties are enthused with the other. I am biased since I experienced something similar (fapped to anal porn but then the actual act was terribly uninviting and I refrained despite offers etc.) I know the opposite story is somewhat of a meme, "he/she wouldn't do that and it destroyed the relationship", but I do not think it is representative of reality. At least, not from what I've seen (in friends as well.) I wonder how much of it is driven by neuroticism, anxiety, the wish to "be interesting."

The offers for anal were most certainly driven by anxiety in the girls (in my case.) They worried that I might want such a thing and wanted me to know that I could have it, in other words, that I did not have to get it somewhere else. There are probably many odd requests, offers, etc. that are accepted these days when both parties do not even want the thing. I also wonder if some trannies do it simply to make things "not gay" for a closeted gay man (or desperate straight man?) of some kind. I'm not too familiar with this sort of situation, so this could be very off-base.

This is a topic where "the internet is real" must be considered for its consequences. We communicate ideas, etc. etc. put on various masks, clothes. Make "friends" and so on and so forth. I suppose lovers in both non-tranny and tranny sense. It seems that great delusion is a consequence of this. I also gained much from the internet, as others did. But the flip-side is there too. People want to take their digital self into the physical world. Because they think that "the internet is real". I understand the idea does not naturally mean this, and there is indeed a digital world and physical world that are separate and both are real. But the common person does not, and they do not understand the distinctions. They take it to mean real in all senses. As others said, some people want the physical world to see them as their avatar. Similar maybe to schizophrenia in those who immigrate to a country with a vastly different language. It's an ever-present danger to those who only socialize through the internet, who attain emotional comfort etc. etc. through this sort of thing. Obviously, the internet is very valuable and I don't especially want it limited (although it is already gone that way.) The solution need not involve limiting the internet or anything like this, as simple real-world law and order would do the job perfectly well.

Apologies for the rambling nature here, but I hope there is something of value despite retreading old ground.
(05-19-2023, 08:03 AM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]The simple enough reality is that this desire for "perfect tranny-world" is the same as the desire for "perfect nigger-world". One wants for something that cannot exist.

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Women, for all their strangeness, are women. They occupy that space, and the system works. Men are the same in their space. Ignoring other considerations: Allowing people to switch between the spaces is inherently destabilizing, causing great stress to anyone personally related (not just by blood) with any of these trannies(who, for the sake of a generous example, are able to "perfectly" change into the other.) Now, let's ignore this consideration, and go to another one.

The type of man who wishes to become a woman is the type of man I do not wish to have as a neighbor. A state is made up of neighbors. I simply can't trust any sort of creature who was born as I was, and found it lacking or "wrong." They are clearly retarded, because it is very enjoyable to be a man. I expect many women to feel the same regarding women who wish to become men. This might seem silly, but again, it's basics of any organization. I don't want these people in my organization. Even if they could achieve their dream fully enough to fool me. I would not want them "around."

But let's ignore this consideration too. And move on to Resources. Time, energy, focus are all resources that each man has to account for. Similarly, a state does too. Allocating resources to make "perfect nigger-world" or "perfect tranny-world" removes resources from other projects. The amount of resources required for both dreams is...massive. As we have already seen. I am not willing to make the trade (although obviously, some other state might want to.)

I think you're mistaking that I advocate for 'perfect-tranny-utopia' - I don't favor any such thing. The only political ideal I wish for is maximizing all forms of freedom and allowing communities/groups to segregate as they are naturally inclined to. Not quite out of an ideologically principled libertarianism either - I just wish to see advancements unchecked, and the future unbound form the stasis that currently impedes it. Aside form that, I couldn't really give a shit less about 'stability' or other such things.

Quote:Sorry for the tangent. Back to the main topic. I can ask the easy question now: Has the poster Zed ever experienced genuine desire from a beautiful woman? IOW: Desire to please you, purely. With no other intent etc. Please note that I am excluding trannies from this question, although I understand you may consider them to be women etc. etc.

It is a somewhat cruel question but I do believe it's important. Sociology of the tranny applies to both the product and the consumer. The two interact and change each other.

I've never felt desire towards women, nor desired them to desire me as such. At least, not in way that went beyond youthful power fantasies and ego satisfaction. But I have had experiences with women, and with one in particular who would be considered generally quite beautiful. Granted only a handful of times - and it did nothing for me. It was more of something I did to test myself a specific point in time, and it gave an answer. 

Whatever sexual fantasies I tried to have about women during points in my early adolescence always quickly mutated into a desire to be her. Aside from that, I've also had a fairly seething misogyny from a young age. I've probably written about some of that elsewhere in this thread, but I generally them grating to be around. There is a small handful of women in my life that I hold respect for, but never desire.

In general, the conception of attraction to women is alien to me, but I understand an attraction to femininity. Towards men in the past, I've generally preferred assuming a submissive role. But I'll readily acknowledge that there is a part of me that can enjoy taking a dominant role in sex, though I only ever feel that inclination towards trannies or effeminate femboys. But even there, I favor features that are not fully 'female' such as flat chests. Although I prefer lithe trannies that pass and are conventionally attractive, if they seem too much like a woman - that too is a turnoff. There must be something 'male' in them for me feel intense romantic feelings toward, otherwise I tend to usually just see them as toys.

As for the desire you describe - Where I have experienced it was with my lover, and that is also the context where I felt it fully back towards her. I genuinely do not believe that I am capable of feeling it towards women.
I think most of it has to do with low self-esteem. They're just broken men who derive pleasure from sexual masochism.
(05-17-2023, 04:40 PM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ]The concentration of genuinely interesting idiosyncratic weirdos is higher, and I've been fortunate enough to know several.

Name one. I cannot for the life of me think of a single half-interesting troon, and it is exceedingly difficult to even imagine such a thing. If some misshaped, ill-formed, mentally twisted paraphiliac in a dress and clown makeup came into my house, my first instinct wouldn't be to listen intently to all of his "interesting" and "bold" ideas and creations - it would be to immediately cave his head in with an especially heavily wall ornament and feed his body to my twelve Dobermans.

Trannies, like all fetishists, are fundamentally boring people, because sex itself is incredibly mundane, worldly, and boring. Huemans have been trying (and failing!) to make sex high-brow and aesthetic for centuries. Without the few actually transcendent and beautiful elements attached to it (namely the domination of the Feminine by the Masculine and the generation of new eugenic Aryan life - which even then so often fall into becoming mundane chores of maintaining mere life) this lionization of fetishism ends up sounding like waxing poetic about your last bowel movement or the ham sandwich you just had. I know that I would be an infinitely less interesting thinker and poster if I tried to construct my identity around some elaborate word-salad slave morality cope for my paraphilias, and spent my days writing long-winded yet ultimately well-constructed prose about the Nietzschean case for feederism and the keyed nature of female obesity and how in the Keyedstaat Aryan nanomachines will allow me to have my harem of 800-pound teenage anime waifus, or whatever the hell my filthy flesh can come up with and my lying rational mind can justify. It's not so much that it's gross - it's just boring. You got a boner from something weird? Who cares. Everybody does.

"You see, Nietzscheanism is when you do something that you want, and the more you want to do it the more Nietzscheanist it is. It's all quite simple really."
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There was some discussion preserved in the archive on the phenomenon of "faux-edgy displays among Tumblrina trannies", and how it manifests in their Visual Works emphasizing lurid subjects like "cute" childwhore self-loathing/anorexia. Because adherence to Trannyism necessarily begs for an affectation of female behaviors, and because its recent deluge of devotees are largely spergs who live the bulk of their life through the Internet, the female behavior they seek to replicate and feel to adopt is that of the "BPD" personality-type. The "BPD" girl is the type most active on the Internet, maybe owing to the frustration of her IRL social life, among other things. There was (/is?) a fixation among them on Trevor Brown.

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He's a genuinely edgy English illustrator born in 1959 who rose to some prominence in the late 90's. The themes here overlap with those of the tranny Artist - Nipponified, medicalized girl-child sexualization. But a place where the transsexual/BPDoid and Brown branch is that the girl is the object of the piece - the author didn't seek to make some detached "semi-ironic" self-portrait, but rather to create things that bother people.

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Guest

Trannies in every community are a venomous poison, a parasite with a viper tongue who intoxicate all, who make everything revolve around them and their disgusting sexual fetish. For Trannies, all they read and see, everything they consume, can only be understood through the optics of self-inserting. For the true story, the true characters, all they boast “media literacy” about is none of their true concerns, these are all secondary. Their true interest is in how they can take over its corpse, after they kill it, and wear its skin. It is only important if they can self-insert themselves into it, the characters and the story must revolve around them somehow. And if it doesn’t, there is nothing they can’t twist with enough pilpul, everything contradicting their headcanon is memory holed.
(07-17-2023, 09:48 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]Trannies in every community are a venomous poison, a parasite with a viper tongue who intoxicate all, who make everything revolve around them and their disgusting sexual fetish. For Trannies, all they read and see, everything they consume, can only be understood through the optics of self-inserting. For the true story, the true characters, all they boast “media literacy” about is none of their true concerns, these are all secondary. Their true interest is in how they can take over its corpse, after they kill it, and wear its skin. It is only important if they can self-insert themselves into it, the characters and the story must revolve around them somehow. And if it doesn’t, there is nothing they can’t twist with enough pilpul, everything contradicting their headcanon is memory holed.

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I haven't read the entire thread but wanted to contribute on some aspects of tranny psychology. 

I know this guy since entering the Gymnasium at age 10. He used to be very masculine but also sensitive, has probably the highest IQ of anyone I know, is decently tall, and comes from a good family. Is completely aryan with dark blue eyes and light-brown hair. Also very well developed bone structure, not brutish but refined. His mother died from cancer. It was very tragic and sad. We were friends and I and some other friends attended the funeral when we were around 12 years old. One friend collapsed because the atmosphere in the room was so sad. 
He was also always very anti-school, never doing the homework before this tragedy, but after it he never really got back into school at all. The event was his excuse for escape - completely. We, and other friends, were still very close and wrote him some letters. I wrote it in latin, because he were always translating together, and it was very fun. All of this was lost because although very intelligent, he was very unconscientious and very open - hence his inclination towards the arts. He produced great works in our "bildnerische Erziehung (visual education)" classes and also entered the school choir - a very unusual choice in our degenerated anti-intellectual feminized schooling environment. 
He lost some of this connection to the arts and became very mentally unstable. I think the death of his mother, failed attempts at getting a girlfriend contributed to it. His father is a pretty high-ranking officer through him he met the daughter of a general. While it is not exactly clear to me if there ever was a romantic relationship or if he just pretended to in front of the girls in my class. By this time he had been completely raped by the therapists, I and other friends couldn't really do anything at that point, because the attitude was that he should stick to professionals and they know best. The death of his mother was the catalyst of course, so not just the constant therapeutic environment, the naturally feminized environment of art, but also the also nearly divinized femininity of his mother contributed to the creation of the transsexual. 
Naturally online he slowly changed the games and friend-groups. Changed his avatar to an anime girl which was somewhat graceful-looking, a very slow process. We kept in touch but because he didn't subject himself to school in any way we lost regular and actual physical contact. We met at parties but he kept awkwardly shifting away from his former male-friends and play-acted more feminine forms of expressions and topics of discussion. This, of course, didn't make him acceptable in the girls-circles because they also sense in their bones and veins that what he is now is wrong - a tragic mutant. At a party, under the influence of alcohol, he without being prompted talked about the possibility that he was "influenced" through the internet into his new "sexuality" - on the same night he said that he found me and other friends attractive - the context was so revolting also because of the age of that time and his clear retroactive lying. He constantly needs to bring up his sexuality - at every occasion I see him. This is all so cruel and a huge loss, at a civilsational level. With the right leaders and without this culture in which I must live, he could have become a great man, certainly of the arts and maybe even of history. Now he his role-playing, instead of producing great art he talks about sexuality all the time and his brain will still never be that of a women. Although taking hormones now, his nature, the neuroplastic environment of early childhood, and early teenhood in which he was very masculine will never be truly lost. So now he is twisted on all fronts. He dreams of becoming an actual actor now, which is fitting I suppose. The actual situation is that he works in a supermarket and cuts meat into slices for construction workers. This trash world took a great nature from us which should be here for our salvation. 

He apologize for my style but I needed to get this out of me - to people who maybe see this tragedy for what it is.
(07-23-2023, 07:28 AM)GoldenOstrich Wrote: [ -> ]He was also always very anti-school, never doing the homework before this tragedy, but after it he never really got back into school at all. The event was his excuse for escape - completely. We, and other friends, were still very close and wrote him some letters. I wrote it in latin, because he were always translating together, and it was very fun. All of this was lost because although very intelligent, he was very unconscientious and very open - hence his inclination towards the arts. He produced great works in our "bildnerische Erziehung (visual education)" classes and also entered the school choir - a very unusual choice in our degenerated anti-intellectual feminized schooling environment. 
He lost some of this connection to the arts and became very mentally unstable. I think the death of his mother, failed attempts at getting a girlfriend contributed to it. His father is a pretty high-ranking officer through him he met the daughter of a general. While it is not exactly clear to me if there ever was a romantic relationship or if he just pretended to in front of the girls in my class. By this time he had been completely raped by the therapists, I and other friends couldn't really do anything at that point, because the attitude was that he should stick to professionals and they know best. The death of his mother was the catalyst of course, so not just the constant therapeutic environment, the naturally feminized environment of art, but also the also nearly divinized femininity of his mother contributed to the creation of the transsexual
Naturally online he slowly changed the games and friend-groups. Changed his avatar to an anime girl which was somewhat graceful-looking, a very slow process. We kept in touch but because he didn't subject himself to school in any way we lost regular and actual physical contact. We met at parties but he kept awkwardly shifting away from his former male-friends and play-acted more feminine forms of expressions and topics of discussion. This, of course, didn't make him acceptable in the girls-circles because they also sense in their bones and veins that what he is now is wrong - a tragic mutant. At a party, under the influence of alcohol, he without being prompted talked about the possibility that he was "influenced" through the internet into his new "sexuality" - on the same night he said that he found me and other friends attractive - the context was so revolting also because of the age of that time and his clear retroactive lying. He constantly needs to bring up his sexuality - at every occasion I see him. This is all so cruel and a huge loss, at a civilsational level. With the right leaders and without this culture in which I must live, he could have become a great man, certainly of the arts and maybe even of history. Now he his role-playing, instead of producing great art he talks about sexuality all the time and his brain will still never be that of a women. Although taking hormones now, his nature, the neuroplastic environment of early childhood, and early teenhood in which he was very masculine will never be truly lost. So now he is twisted on all fronts. He dreams of becoming an actual actor now, which is fitting I suppose. The actual situation is that he works in a supermarket and cuts meat into slices for construction workers. This trash world took a great nature from us which should be here for our salvation. 

He apologize for my style but I needed to get this out of me - to people who maybe see this tragedy for what it is.
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This story reminds me of BAP's description of the homosexual/transsexual as "fallen higher type", someone who viscerally feels the false nature of contemporary "masculinity", but, failing to rise above it, degenerates into something lesser. Previously I was skeptical of this idea, but now that somebody else has independently discovered the same concept, I am starting to believe in it a bit more. Here's a link to the excerpt in question,, because I don't want to paste a wall of text here
(07-23-2023, 07:28 AM)GoldenOstrich Wrote: [ -> ]...
A very disturbing and unfortunate transformation. It is always a great loss when someone like that betrays their own nature.
"This story reminds me of BAP's description of the homosexual/transsexual as "fallen higher type", someone who viscerally feels the false nature of contemporary "masculinity", but, failing to rise above it, degenerates into something lesser. Previously I was skeptical of this idea, but now that somebody else has independently discovered the same concept, I am starting to believe in it a bit more. Here's a link to the excerpt in question,, because I don't want to paste a wall of text here"

Yes I remember this part of BAM well because I could recognize some of the aspects I have seen but I don't agree with all of it - especially the Paglia part with which Alamariu also disagrees. In my case the: "such boy is turned off by the horseplay and “rough” masculinity of his brothers and father and other boys his age" doesn't apply - he was certainly into rougher masculinity - we did a lot of arm-wrestling and the like - he is naturally very strong even tho he never trained or did sports of any sort - which is, I think, a cause for trooning-out - not having the right educators/leaders. 

"Not all gays are of this origin— there is Jeffrey Dahmer, there are others."
I very much agree with this, I don't think we should generally see sexual deviance as a sign of a higher nature but Intelligence and sexual deviance certainly does correlate (see College LGBullshIT stats). 

One further take on this:
"Smarter people" are more likely to support queer theory that makes the existence of a trans identity "possible" or to be part of the community themselves, as well as being more likely that smarter people are/will/were mentally ill - again see college stats as very rough indicator - intelligence is partly genetic - by not reproducing LG... these genes are not passed on and dysgenesis occurs, i.e. loss of good genes related to intelligence - so Queer-Gender-Ideology is a form of IQ Shredder - maybe integrable with Spandrells idea of the big shity IQ shredder.

Higher nature are particularly prone to get corrupted by the current nomos so it is vital to keep sexual morality intact - even in the ruling class unless you want hordes of the illiterate and the semi-conscious crushing the culture with their low intellectual standards. 

Overall the intelligence thing could also be seen in the context of genetic diseases, where in population with higher average IQ, more genetic diseases occur that affect the neurological condition of the individual specimen - see the Ashkenazim, the French Protestants or old European Aristocracy.

The supposed Nietzscheanism of sexual libertinism is, of course, as argued by smo. above, ridiculous - using Callicles / a cannon to kill a gnat  - as argued by Bloom and Alamariu. Nietzsche doesn't fucking care about "sexual repression" - he wants to penetrate the Sun, the only women a real man would ever want children with - eternity.
(07-24-2023, 08:55 AM)GoldenOstrich Wrote: [ -> ]...

Generally displays of outwards masculinity do not count for much. I think the right questions to frame things are roughly: Did he desire to become a man/start a family? If so, was he optimistic about this? What degree of attraction did he have for women?

Obviously, you can't really know the degree to which he had AGP —but the rest may be knowable to you, depending on your conversations with him.

Keep in mind that AGP, when present, effectively annihilates what might be considered the conventional heterosexual sex drive. There is no erotic desire towards conquering a woman, only in fantasies of being one. At the extreme, having a girlfriend/wife seems more like a unfortunate responsibility than anything else, since you cannot concieve of feeling lost towards her. The only upshot is procreation, but that is usually not enough for most.
(07-24-2023, 07:52 PM)saeik Wrote: [ -> ]Generally displays of outwards masculinity do not count for much. I think the right questions to frame things are roughly: Did he desire to become a man/start a family? If so, was he optimistic about this? What degree of attraction did he have for women?

Obviously, you can't really know the degree to which he had AGP —but the rest may be knowable to you, depending on your conversations with him.

Keep in mind that AGP, when present, effectively annihilates what might be considered the conventional heterosexual sex drive. There is no erotic desire towards conquering a woman, only in fantasies of being one. At the extreme, having a girlfriend/wife seems more like a unfortunate responsibility than anything else, since you cannot concieve of feeling lost towards her. The only upshot is procreation, but that is usually not enough for most.


He was attracted to the hottest girls like everyone else, rated woman like everybody else - we played "the rating game" on school excursions where you also stay several nights. I can confidentally say that he had a healthy "inward masculinity". When all the boys said who their crush/ favorite was, he could assert himself against other friends who were attracted to the same girl. Who thinks of starting a family/procreation in your early teens?  Certainly noone in my cultural setting.

Ad AGP: He has said who his ideal/model of feminity was, said it to the girl right in front of me which was very awkward because I was romantically involved with her and he was rejected by her. If I had to explain her: intelligent (particularly in math, but completely uninterested in learning anything - apart from school stuff - which she did for competiton), very jovial, perfectly fitting the conventional female beauty type  (thin, blonde, ...), completely natural in her looks - no makeup - anti-vulgar, not going with trends but being highly adapted to her social reality, loves competition, very playful, etc. What can I really derive from his "testimony"? The most striking thing about her - was the way she asserted herself - you were immediately drawn to mirror her joviality. This quality isn't really feminine - it is rather the complete lack of any form of depression, it is what in my language is called Lebensfreude, maybe translatable as Joie de vivre. From a person of her type, which I agree is the ideal, you can sense radiating strong sense of being happy with oneself - that is exactly what he lacked for such a long time. After getting rejected (she rejected especially his lack of "conventional masculinity" - and latter got involved with a guy who looks like a less faggy version of Hero Fiennes Tiffin - so the conventional ideal) - he may have reasoned - simplifying ofc - if I can't get her, become her. Imitating her wholeness of being also means becoming a woman. But I principally root his idolization of feminity in the tragic loss of his mother at a crucial point in his life - the imitation fantasy was much later and not directly related to sex - but getting into these thought processes is maybe too hard for me because he isn't a simple human. I think his sense of attraction is deeply entangled with his memory of seeing death - which makes it very deep and complicated - but it is not erotic - so no AGP - I don't want to bring Freud in this, I hate him like the pest. 
He developed a fantasy of being a woman, as I have laid out above, but this very late in his teens and his attractions are still very much heterosexual. 








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