Age of Consent

[Guest]

The age of consent was invented by crones disguised as "good Christian moralists" (remember that it being was parallel to the Prohibition); it must be destroyed. Women have never been hurt by marrying young and to good men of aristocratic mindset. Anyone who disagrees has had their heads imperceptibly warped by the ideas of a modern world and should be euthanized if leftist and reeducated if a rwer. At the same time, young men should be protected from haglust and grooming, as their seed is best saved for women who are more fertile (and motherly).

What is wrong with prohibition and the early Progressive, Temperance movements? You sound like a nigger and your shit's fucked up. You're a nigger who believes in dualities, "leftists", "rwers". That's why you're a guest and not a user, you're a cowardly nigger.

I find it deeply funny that a memeflag is talking to me about "cowardice" and negrolatry. You are a spiritual homosexual, captive to the whims of those you subconsciously consider your superior, who cannot understand why some people simply do not feel a deep craving for the vices you do, and attack those who wish to free you from your mental captivity. And to answer your question about Prohibition; it was wrong because women started it.

[BillyONare]

“there is a magical age below which sex is rape, also left wing and right wing is just a made up duality and these things don’t exist.”

[JohnnyRomero]

The age of consent was invented by crones disguised as "good Christian moralists" (remember that it being was parallel to the Prohibition); it must be destroyed. Women have never been hurt by marrying young and to good men of aristocratic mindset. Anyone who disagrees has had their heads imperceptibly warped by the ideas of a modern world and should be euthanized if leftist and reeducated if a rwer. At the same time, young men should be protected from haglust and grooming, as their seed is best saved for women who are more fertile (and motherly).

What is wrong with prohibition and the early Progressive, Temperance movements? You sound like a nigger and your shit's fucked up. You're a nigger who believes in dualities, "leftists", "rwers". That's why you're a guest and not a user, you're a cowardly nigger.

I find it deeply funny that a memeflag is talking to me about "cowardice" and negrolatry. You are a spiritual homosexual, captive to the whims of those you subconsciously consider your superior, who cannot understand why some people simply do not feel a deep craving for the vices you do, and attack those who wish to free you from your mental captivity. And to answer your question about Prohibition; it was wrong because women started it.

I knew he was a coalmonger as soon as he mentioned he was "into" empty-headed New England Yankee liberal abolitionist nigger-lover FAGGOTS like Emerson and Thoreau in his intro post. Fake, retarded, utterly empty and nonsensical fake writings and "philosophy," the favorite screeds of modern American female public school teachers. Supporting Prohibition is cheerleading for Iran-tier pointless oppression and micromanaging of free men by the nanny state and the longhouse. If you support a policy so obviously malicious in its motives, retarded in its theory, and utterly incompetent and impotent in its application, you need to be made a household slave to an actual proper Free Amarnite Citizen.

[Guest]

I knew he was a coalmonger as soon as he mentioned he was "into" empty-headed New England Yankee liberal abolitionist nigger-lover FAGGOTS like Emerson and Thoreau in his intro post. Fake, retarded, utterly empty and nonsensical fake writings and "philosophy," the favorite screeds of modern American female public school teachers.

Shakespeare and Homer and the rest of western canon are also covered by public schools in America and elsewhere. Herman Melville symphatized with polynesians, was he cucked too?

[NuclearAbsolutist]

Shakespeare and Homer and the rest of western canon are also covered by public schools in America and elsewhere. Herman Melville symphatized with polynesians, was he cucked too?

"Italian food is just sauce and bread why are you mad I made hot pockets for dinner?"

[JohnnyRomero]

Shakespeare and Homer and the rest of western canon are also covered by public schools in America and elsewhere. Herman Melville symphatized with polynesians, was he cucked too?

Polynesians are white and one of the lost Ten Tribes of British Israel #HBD

[Muskox]

The age of consent was invented by crones disguised as "good Christian moralists" (remember that it being was parallel to the Prohibition); it must be destroyed. Women have never been hurt by marrying young and to good men of aristocratic mindset. Anyone who disagrees has had their heads imperceptibly warped by the ideas of a modern world and should be euthanized if leftist and reeducated if a rwer. At the same time, young men should be protected from haglust and grooming, as their seed is best saved for women who are more fertile (and motherly).

This is true. The reality is that age of consent laws (and most modern laws regarding sex) are ultimately attempts to use the state to protect women in a society where they have been "emancipated" from the protection of their husbands and fathers. The modern feminists are arguing for an extension of this sort of thing when they demand that they "shouldn't have to be afraid to walk alone at night" or other such laughable things. Any laws resulting from this will always be insufficient and rely on ridiculous legal fictions like consent. Oh well. Things being as they are it's a good thing to have some sort of age of consent law. However, I think 14 is probably a better choice, seeing as girls are typically sexually mature and have a decent understanding of what sex is and such by that point. In Italy the law is that the age of consent is 14 unless the elder party is in a position of authority over the younger, such as a teacher, in which case it is raised to 16. This seems alright to me.
The larger concern, for me, is the way that culture is downstream from law with these things. We are in a position now where there are huge amounts of people, possibly a majority, who earnestly believe that it is literally pedophilia for an adult man to be attracted to a 17 year old girl. Or even, e.g. in the case of Leonardo DiCaprio, for an adult man to be attracted to a woman in her early 20s. The pathologization of normal heterosexual male desire is bad for obvious reasons, I think. I was speaking with friends (all in their 20s) recently and tried convincing them that it is insane to equate attraction to a 17 year old girl to literal child rape and I honestly don't think I convinced a single one of them. Unsurprisingly, they all seem to have an interest in the whole "mommy gf" thing or are attracted to sheboons. I think it's a very real possibility that the age will be raised to 21 in the not-so-distant future.

[parsifal]

In Italy the law is that the age of consent is 14 unless the elder party is in a position of authority over the younger, such as a teacher, in which case it is raised to 16. This seems alright to me.

i always found it totally nonsensical and counterintuitive that sex can be somehow made illegitimate if one party has authority over another. it's a complete conceptual inversion of healthy sexual relations which are predicated on the male wielding patriarchal authority over the female. another idea in this frame of mind is that it's okay to start having sex at a certain age but marriage has to wait until one is "more mature" which is again completely backwards. i wonder if it's possible at all to have a non-libtarded policy on "age of consent" as the very concept itself implies that adultery is licit.

[anthony]

Kind of related to Mikka's comment that the left don't want the family abolished, they are actually family maximalists who want to create a giant super-family that can tyrannise you harder and more uniformly than any biological family. The same is true of women's liberation. They don't want to be sovereign, free from the influence of men. They want to create a giant super-man who serves as their eternal husband and protector who they can anchor their entire existence within. This man is of course the modern state. As Peter Hitchens says about the age of divorce, all women are now married to the state.

[Muskox]

i always found it totally nonsensical and counterintuitive that sex can be somehow made illegitimate if one party has authority over another. it's a complete conceptual inversion of healthy sexual relations which are predicated on the male wielding patriarchal authority over the female.

You're absolutely right. At least the law in Italy doesn't rule out the possibility of a teacher-student relationship, which I think is quite lindy, it just defers it a little bit. Imagine if the song "Don't Stand So Close to Me" were released today, how batshit crazy people would go over it. And yet it wasn't released all that long ago. Makes you wonder why this insane sexual puritanism has taken hold over the past couple decades. Age of consent laws have been pretty static for the past 100 years in America, afaik, and yet it was still pretty well accepted to talk about liking 16 year old girls until very recently. There were so many songs about it. Did it just take that long for law to become culture?

They want to create a giant super-man who serves as their eternal husband and protector who they can anchor their entire existence within. This man is of course the modern state. As Peter Hitchens says about the age of divorce, all women are now married to the state.

It's always funny to see people say that they "shouldn't have to be afraid to walk alone at night" or "shouldn't have to carry pepper spray," as if those are political demands. It's so childish. It's like saying that a child shouldn't have to go through cancer treatment. Rage against reality. And of course the women demanding this would fight an increased police presence on the street to their dying breaths.

[Guest]

They want to create a giant super-man who serves as their eternal husband and protector who they can anchor their entire existence within. This man is of course the modern state. As Peter Hitchens says about the age of divorce, all women are now married to the state.

It's always funny to see people say that they "shouldn't have to be afraid to walk alone at night" or "shouldn't have to carry pepper spray," as if those are political demands. It's so childish. It's like saying that a child shouldn't have to go through cancer treatment. Rage against reality. And of course the women demanding this would fight an increased police presence on the street to their dying breaths.

Forget increased police presence, thousands of them will march for third-world immigration so that they can artifically introduce the risk of getting raped and murdered by an African or blown up by a Middle Easterner to their previously idyllic (by comparison) countries. I mean, blacks are an exponentially larger threat to "walkable cities" in the U.S. than urban sprawl. In supporting these completely fantastical policies, they prove the point that we need to protect them from their own nonsensical desires--but it's entirely natural and to be expected from them, though I see the silliness in its overwhelming acceptance in society (among men), as if we're all supposed to seriously engage with that idea. The nanny state never tells women that "the world just doesn't work that way", like my father told me and his told him.

[Corvid]

The age of consent should be 25. Call me "Longhouse" but I think sex should coincide with mental maturity.

This is a pop science meme, it's not real.

[Unformed Golem]

In Italy the law is that the age of consent is 14 unless the elder party is in a position of authority over the younger, such as a teacher, in which case it is raised to 16. This seems alright to me.

i always found it totally nonsensical and counterintuitive that sex can be somehow made illegitimate if one party has authority over another. it's a complete conceptual inversion of healthy sexual relations which are predicated on the male wielding patriarchal authority over the female. another idea in this frame of mind is that it's okay to start having sex at a certain age but marriage has to wait until one is "more mature" which is again completely backwards. i wonder if it's possible at all to have a non-libtarded policy on "age of consent" as the very concept itself implies that adultery is licit.

These rules are kludges patriarchy and marriage being illegal; once you accept that they're actually somewhat reasonable.  A 13 year old girl just sees a twentysomething history teacher as a high status man -> begin mating display.  Only her father can tell whether or not he's a loser (schoolteachers are more likely to be losers now than in the past, but that's a different subject).  But fathers aren't allowed to exercise authority over their children, so the state has to do it.  Really these laws were instituted when the state was in much better shape, as we're seeing now with exceptions to this rule like "as long as the sexual relationship involves BDSM body modification and drug abuse".  And anyway -- this relationship can't end in marriage anyway under prevailing norms and laws. 

Age of consent is similar, although the recent obsession with "age gaps" is just middle aged women seething about the competition.  The solution to all of these things is to remove political power from women, trying to litigate whether the AoC should be 16 or 18 or what exactly constitutes a "position of authority" is mostly pointless.

[Datacop]

All "position of power" stipulations in age of consent law are laughably obvious as old hags trying to eliminate competition. Did the female congressmen who made that law get that straight from their Harlequin Romance novellas? All courtship comes from men in positions of power and all female fantasies are about men in positions of power. How any of that legislation was not laughed out of any government body is proof of our dire our circumstances are.

[parsifal]

yes and conversely the younger a woman the more desirable she is to men. you have a piece of legislation that takes the most attractive quality in a man, and the most attractive quality in a woman, and makes having too much of them illegal. if you showed it to an alien he'd think it was from a satire.

[Josef]

I believe that mental maturity could be a valid standard. But I don't believe that mental maturity is something the average 25 year old has achieved.

To quote Schopenhauer, women actually remain mental children all their lives, so it doesn't matter.

[PrettyboyLombard]

It should be entirely up to the father to decide if a girl is ready or not for a relationship

[Guest]

It should be entirely up to the father to decide if a girl is ready or not for a relationship

Protocol Daughter-Wife?
This is the natural a Corollary of Patriarchal right over a daughters virginity which is the essence and true point of determining fitness for a relationship(when they can lose virginity).

Although let’s postulate for a second that a charming handsome Year Zero Amarnite steals a man’s daughter away, is this down in the realm of civil law? Can the father force the Year Zero Amarnite to pay some compensation for the stolen virginity? Or is this determined by religious law and it’s settled through the clergy? Does the Year Zero Amarnite now have to take the stolen daughter as wife? Or is this Purely in the realm of Might makes Right and the father asks the help of his clan or Allies to hunt down the Year Zero Amarite to where the Year Zero Amarnite retaliates with the might of his Incrlbund?

The inquires that go cold and shrink from neglect 

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yes and conversely the younger a woman the more desirable she is to men. you have a piece of legislation that takes the most attractive quality in a man, and the most attractive quality in a woman, and makes having too much of them illegal. if you showed it to an alien he'd think it was from a satire.

“It may be satire but I’m not laughing.”

[Guest]

Being a boy in school and having your female peers fuck older men is humiliating.

Kill all paedos.

[parsifal]

is it more humiliating than being chained to your age-matched sweetheart who already hit the wall while you're in your prime?