Ageing: Hope, Cope and Rope

[GraphWalkWithMe]

Since people in this thread are talking about ageing,do you think rejuvenation tech(both cosmetically and biologically) will be the most feasible solution to declining birth rates /population ? 

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...1663114240

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...8097075201

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...3910384641

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...8392995840

"Declining birth rates" themselves aren't a real problem. If you basically take the Japan approach and ignore the magical scam thinking that this means you NEED 500 trillion niggers it's just a self correcting trend. Rejuvenation tech would be nice to have. But it's not an answer to this particular problem.

You still need to support them in their old age, which can be a problem if productivity doesn't keep up at a certain level and it becomes more challenging the faster the TFR plummets, see the Korean demographic pyramid. The good news is that Western productivity in agriculture and manufacturing significantly outpaces productivity in services, which is exactly why the proportion of people working in services continues to grow as the other sectors get more labor efficient. We could imagine that a technological renaissance (such as the one we are seeing today in machine learning models!) could overcome the lost productivity due to declining native population, combined with eugenic policies for the maintenance of social capital.

"TFR" question is genuinely complicated and relates to issues of material, deliberate culture-dissolution, political wills, the old "line must always go up" meme, and differences in behavior across ethnicities. A major and obvious point of BAP's book is that lower tendencies of life produce at greater rates than the finer. Simply put, Africans, the Global South, etc., when granted an equal/approaching quantity of material, are due to outbreed Europeans because the former requires a lower standard of life to do so.

The problem is at base political imo. I'm sure everyone here is aware that our System claims, owing to ostensibly "passive" factors, any decline across things like State GDP, lower-class labor force, population integers, "TFR" are to be read as CAUSES to import more nigger, etc. But a society/culture will "self-douche" when left to its own devices; when people feel a real tugging at their material and living standards they tend towards actions to correct their conditions. The issue lies in how to "self-contain" while effectively resisting bully factors like America, Global Capital, etc.

Any econ or poli theory guys' input is very welcome.

[Corvid]

Since people in this thread are talking about ageing,do you think rejuvenation tech(both cosmetically and biologically) will be the most feasible solution to declining birth rates /population ? 

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...1663114240

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...8097075201

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...3910384641

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...8392995840

"Declining birth rates" themselves aren't a real problem. If you basically take the Japan approach and ignore the magical scam thinking that this means you NEED 500 trillion niggers it's just a self correcting trend. Rejuvenation tech would be nice to have. But it's not an answer to this particular problem.

You still need to support them in their old age, which can be a problem if productivity doesn't keep up at a certain level and it becomes more challenging the faster the TFR plummets, see the Korean demographic pyramid. The good news is that Western productivity in agriculture and manufacturing significantly outpaces productivity in services, which is exactly why the proportion of people working in services continues to grow as the other sectors get more labor efficient. We could imagine that a technological renaissance (such as the one we are seeing today in machine learning models!) could overcome the lost productivity due to declining native population, combined with eugenic policies for the maintenance of social capital.

"TFR" question is genuinely complicated and relates to issues of material, deliberate culture-dissolution, political wills, the old "line must always go up" meme, and differences in behavior across ethnicities. A major and obvious point of BAP's book is that lower tendencies of life produce at greater rates than the finer. Simply put, Africans, the Global South, etc., when granted an equal/approaching quantity of material, are due to outbreed Europeans because the former requires a lower standard of life to do so.

The problem is at base political imo. I'm sure everyone here is aware that our System claims, owing to ostensibly "passive" factors, any decline across things like State GDP, lower-class labor force, population integers, "TFR" are to be read as CAUSES to import more nigger, etc. But a society/culture will "self-douche" when left to its own devices; when people feel a real tugging at their material and living standards they tend towards actions to correct their conditions. The issue lies in how to "self-contain" while effectively resisting bully factors like America, Global Capital, etc.

Any econ or poli theory guys' input is very welcome.

Indeed, "TFR question" is infinity niggers because it being a major issue relies on infinity growth, particularly to support a welfare state. Not that declining TFR would be a good thing, per se, if there was no welfare state; it would still present economic challenges and productivity would slip ceteris paribus. But a lot of it is built on the fears of business about perpetual returns, and the need for a tax base to support the government, so there is certainly some basis for powerful elements in a society to prop population growth up with infinity niggers.