Ageing: Hope, Cope and Rope
#1
I wanted to open a discussion on the fear of ageing, both male and female, but primarily male. Different cultures held different views on the prime of life, and of the functions and effects of ageing.

In the face of the existential terror it wields, many faced it, embraced it, or fled from it.

Just opening up a discussion thread on the subject, more or less.

For myself: I have always had a great fear of ageing, and it likely won't ever truly leave me. I look quite young for my age (almost 25), but even now I feel I notice slight changes since, say, 2015. I'm at the "cope" stage.

I also want to note that the structure of this forum lends naturally to everyone wanting to post in General Discussion to maximise exposure. No way of offsetting that?
#2
All my antagonism against decadence aside, I don't think there's nothing wrong with aging. I also don't think decay truly begins until after 40, even later for more energetic people. Of course, some of the best pleasures of being young, like the feeling of growing larger and better at very long strides, disappear as time passes by. But in most cases, I think someone's "prime" should be in their 30s, when the most necessary learning has been done, has found a way to live life, and can move through it with both energy and confidence. I think peaking before your 30s is almost always a bad sign, besides certain, almost ideal, cases.

Problem with norwood "aging", and that is quite frequent with millenials, is that it embraces the conformism and stagnation that comes with entering a stable middle age as something virtuous while at the same time having absolutely no inner growth whatsoever beyond falling into a middle class job and getting a girlfriend. Norwood style of humor is particularly childish (in the worst of ways), their worldview is purely determined by the feelings certain images project on them, they let their entire personalities be determined by figures of authority,... Getting rid of attitudes like that is what should be properly called "maturity", and it's one of the main advantages that a 25 year old tends to have over a 17 year old. There's no such an advantage for norwoids. Instead, they just stagnated at a certain point in their lives and rebranded their stagnation as maturity.
#3
Quote:Generally speaking a man should not publicly take part in politics before he has reached the age of thirty, though, of course, exceptions must be made in the case of those who are naturally gifted with extraordinary political abilities. That at least is my opinion to-day. And the reason for it is that until he reaches his thirtieth year or thereabouts a man’s mental development will mostly consist in acquiring and sifting such knowledge as is necessary for the groundwork of a general platform from which he can examine the different political problems that arise from day to day and be able to adopt a definite attitude towards each. A man must first acquire a fund of general ideas and fit them together so as to form an organic structure of personal thought or outlook on life - a Weltanschhauung. Then he will have that mental equipment without which he cannot form his own judgments on particular questions of the day, and he will have acquired those qualities that are necessary for consistency and steadfastness in the formation of political opinions. Such a man is now qualified, at least subjectively, to take his part in the political conduct of public affairs.
Quote:When a man has reached his thirtieth year he has still a great deal to learn. That is obvious. But henceforward what he learns will principally be an amplification of his basic ideas; it will be fitted in with them organically so as to fill up the framework of the fundamental Weltanschhauung which he already possesses. What he learns anew will not imply the abandonment of principles already held, but rather a deeper knowledge of those principles. And thus his colleagues will never have the discomforting feeling that they have been hitherto falsely led by him. On the contrary, their confidence is increased when they perceive that their leader’s qualities are steadily developing along the lines of an organic growth which results from the constant assimilation of new ideas; so that the followers look upon this process as signifying an enrichment of the doctrines in which they themselves believe, in their eyes every such development is a new witness to the correctness of that whole body of opinion which has hitherto been held.
#4
The ideal male "prime" lookswise is when you can be described either a masculine 25 year old or a handsome 35 year old imo.

From the guys I've known who really take care of themselves physically said they noticed they lost lean mass in their late/mid 40s and started to slowdown at that age. They've been lifting natty for long they don't really care about benching 4 plates or that they were stronger in their youth they've moved onto other goals (flexility, calisthenics)


Seems like the best way to offset aging is w the feeling of accomplishment and avoiding stagnation
#5
The unwillingness to age in an ageing society that more and more neurotically worships youth is not surprising at all. If you don't like ageing, you already have internalized the lefty narrative that your final destination, the old white male, is undesirable. At most, it has to do with our inability to provide a place of respect for the old and wise. But in a society that rejects wisdom, oh how could you hope for that?
#6
>more and more neurotically worships youth

i want proof of this, and proof strong enough to stand against the identification of worship-objects which intuitively follows from observing both the behavior and rhetoric of nearly everybody in power, but also of the population at large, during the events of 2020-2021.
#7
(04-02-2022, 08:00 AM)Guest Wrote: >more and more neurotically worships youth

i want proof of this, and proof strong enough to stand against the identification of worship-objects which intuitively follows from observing both the behavior and rhetoric of nearly everybody in power, but also of the population at large, during the events of 2020-2021.

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#8
The thing that bothers me the most about aging above anything else is the steep decline in one's ability to master an art and shape oneself in accordance to its needs, we grow stiff, less pliable. Naturally you must possess certain innate traits that are conducive to it's cultivation, after all no matter how hard you may try, you can't plough the seashore and expect it to bear fruit unless you are insane or looking to come across as such, still however fertile a field might be without proper care it won't be of any use. Man has his own agricultural cycle, during the spring of life what is to be cultivated is decided upon, sowed and cared for with due diligence by the prudent farmer, the earlier you start the greater the harvest, the more you wait the lesser. Procrastination and lack of care can ruin a harvest and lead to a difficult winter. For the farmer, unless a massive failure or draught occurs, there is always another spring and the hope of a better harvest. We have no such possibility, once our spring has passed it won't ever come back, the years go by like flowing water through our fingers.

I liked to play the piano when I was a child, I had a natural affinity for it and had great prospects of development ahead of me. As the years went by circumstance led me to drop the habit, I attempted to get back into it a few times but no support was forthcoming and so I gave up. This is also my fault as I should have fought harder for this passion, nevertheless without good weather you can't except a good harvest. It's too late for that dream now as too much time has elapsed for me to ever be a great pianist, I still play it sometimes but it will never be anything else besides a hobby.

While it might be too late for that, I still have other dreams that I wish to see through, however, the way things are in the world is so disheartening, everything is geared towards containing youthful energy and talent, redirecting these forces into the service of the old and decrepit. All institutions and traditions that cultivated and aspired to human greatness have either been destroyed or corrupted beyond saving, to merely live with dignity is already a struggle, let alone the pursuit of great designs and ambitions.

I remember reading Vasari's lives of the great artists of the Renaissance when I was 19 and already feeling like I had wasted my youth. Raphael was considered a master by the age of 20, Michelangelo finished the Pietà by 23. This was a time when youth and talent were recognised, nourished and revered, much more so than even in Greece at its happiest age. I could keep going but there is no need to. As Anthony has recently remarked in the tranny thread, there's no real cultivation behind us or possibility of being able to cultivate ahead of us. Everything becomes a tooth and nail struggle for whatever scraps of excellence you can still attain, you are on your own.

I supposed there's some worth in this struggle for human excellence under such adverse circumstances, the self-sculpted man who attains greatness without any assistance by sheer force of will, although this figure reminds me of a blossom who grows through concrete, its resolve is charming and endearing, however, it will never reach the heights of beauty that the flowers of a well-cared for garden possess.

What feelings do you suppose a young man has when he realizes that he will likely never know happiness or glory as long as he lives? That he has spent his life as a beggar among the sordid ruins of the great dream, and all that awaits him is further squalor?
#9
It's an illness. An illness with splendid political utility, but still just an illness.
#10
Only what the mind can understand as eternal can the heart love. The Greeks referred to love as a divine madness bestowed by the gods. Too many have their heart crushed by “reality”, by bond of natural law that prevent the wishes of their heart from coming true. This defeatism is born from lack of vitality, is an old man defeated because he no longer has the youth to achieve his dreams or that his vitality that gave him the faith to achieve in the first place has disappeared? Only the young possess the capacity to dream, to negate reality and escape to fantasy, this is what is truly lost in aging, the ability to cope.

I am timeless and ageless, I have no name or face. Death? How can one know death if one is unaware that they exist in the first place? Life's nature is like a dream, a transient illusion of endless unknowable mystery. I am so powerless and ignorant in the face of an eternal void, I truly know nothing.

 Anaxagoras had it right that man was born to behold this world. As desire comes and goes like the wind so too does my disappointment and self-pity. When gazing upon beauty, when one is completely captivated, does the ability to dream come back to them. 

If you lose the ability to cope then let your eyes once more grow lustful for the beauty of this world, search out the sustenance that your soul so desperately needs.
#11
I've never had a fear of ageing, in fact, I've always looked forwards to growing older (and have always closely monitored myself for any signs of immaturity). But I assume that it will come sooner or later, unless I die tragically (which I'd rather not).
#12
i deeply dread becoming old and "past my prime" with only decline to look forward to, but i'm not too worried about it because i plan on dying before it becomes an issue.
#13
No decline begins until after 40 unless you eat zogslop and don't properly maintain.
#14
(01-11-2023, 10:53 AM)VitruvianIncel Wrote: No decline begins until after 40 unless you eat zogslop and don't properly maintain.

I would actually say that most decline from what we could be is set in stone before we have any agency to shape our own lives. Your jaw doesn't shrink and fade into your cheeks and neck when you turn 40.
#15
https://time.com/6246864/reverse-aging-s...milestone/

Anybody read this one? The work is being led by a guy with the same name as the original keyboardist from Caravan.

#16
Youth in our culture is an object of resentful envy. The average person believes it is genuinely the only source of value in life and nothing is gained by getting older...in a systemic sense this is true simply because the only way to define adults in modernity is endless cucking to libtard values. At the same time that youth is wasted and constrained and clinically examined and placed in test tubes and surveilled endlessly, everyone acts young. It's not even remotely abnormal to encounter 60 year olds who dress like teenagers, or put middle finger iconography on their clothes / property / cars. Millennials entering middle age still act like bratty teenagers and want to restructure the world around it. This is one of the strains on youth that exists. People who are old want to take up space for people who are young, and have refused to pass their respective torches down.

Most of what people mistake for having a youth in older ages or whatever is just not spiritually perishing the moment you leave highschool or college. For most people out there, the prevailing belief is that nothing positive exists in the future and all their best times are long behind them, which defines their behavior and decline a lot.
#17
Since people in this thread are talking about ageing,do you think rejuvenation tech(both cosmetically and biologically) will be the most feasible solution to declining birth rates /population ?

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...1663114240

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...8097075201

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...3910384641

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...8392995840
#18
(02-11-2023, 03:27 PM)Guest Wrote: Since people in this thread are talking about ageing,do you think rejuvenation tech(both cosmetically and biologically) will be the most feasible solution to declining birth rates /population ? 

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...1663114240

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...8097075201

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...3910384641

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...8392995840

"Declining birth rates" themselves aren't a real problem. If you basically take the Japan approach and ignore the magical scam thinking that this means you NEED 500 trillion niggers it's just a self correcting trend. Rejuvenation tech would be nice to have. But it's not an answer to this particular problem.
#19
(02-11-2023, 07:38 PM)anthony Wrote:
(02-11-2023, 03:27 PM)Guest Wrote: Since people in this thread are talking about ageing,do you think rejuvenation tech(both cosmetically and biologically) will be the most feasible solution to declining birth rates /population ? 

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...1663114240

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...8097075201

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...3910384641

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...8392995840

"Declining birth rates" themselves aren't a real problem. If you basically take the Japan approach and ignore the magical scam thinking that this means you NEED 500 trillion niggers it's just a self correcting trend. Rejuvenation tech would be nice to have. But it's not an answer to this particular problem.

You still need to support them in their old age, which can be a problem if productivity doesn't keep up at a certain level and it becomes more challenging the faster the TFR plummets, see the Korean demographic pyramid. The good news is that Western productivity in agriculture and manufacturing significantly outpaces productivity in services, which is exactly why the proportion of people working in services continues to grow as the other sectors get more labor efficient. We could imagine that a technological renaissance (such as the one we are seeing today in machine learning models!) could overcome the lost productivity due to declining native population, combined with eugenic policies for the maintenance of social capital.
#20
(02-16-2023, 02:30 AM)Corvid Wrote:
(02-11-2023, 07:38 PM)anthony Wrote:
(02-11-2023, 03:27 PM)Guest Wrote: Since people in this thread are talking about ageing,do you think rejuvenation tech(both cosmetically and biologically) will be the most feasible solution to declining birth rates /population ? 

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...1663114240

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...8097075201

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...3910384641

https://twitter.com/EvilVizier/status/15...8392995840

"Declining birth rates" themselves aren't a real problem. If you basically take the Japan approach and ignore the magical scam thinking that this means you NEED 500 trillion niggers it's just a self correcting trend. Rejuvenation tech would be nice to have. But it's not an answer to this particular problem.

You still need to support them in their old age, which can be a problem if productivity doesn't keep up at a certain level and it becomes more challenging the faster the TFR plummets, see the Korean demographic pyramid. The good news is that Western productivity in agriculture and manufacturing significantly outpaces productivity in services, which is exactly why the proportion of people working in services continues to grow as the other sectors get more labor efficient. We could imagine that a technological renaissance (such as the one we are seeing today in machine learning models!) could overcome the lost productivity due to declining native population, combined with eugenic policies for the maintenance of social capital.

Aging is bad, but millenial norwoodism seems easy enough to avoid: don't stop learning new things after you get your first job (which probably sucks) and don't eat like shit. 

Middle age looks to be bearable only by having gained an unshakable position of power and respect in your life -- any chance of physiological well being at the level experienced even into the 30s vanishes.  Likewise the only consolation of actual old age is the sense of a life having been well lived, whatever that means. 

Unfortunately that will probably be harder to achieve in the future because of a surplus of old people.  If a population recovers from sub-replacement fertility naturally, there will be a period where the scarcity of youth increases the status and wages of younger people.  If it's invaded, legacy geriatrics will be at the physical mercy of new arrivals looking for loot.  A tough scene.



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