Alpinid overrepresentation in long-term kidnapping + rape cases

[JohnnyRomero]

Hello all,

Today I will be writing on a curious racial phenomenon which I have observed during my studies. I am sure that most of you are at least passingly familiar with the old "three races" model of European biology, those being the long-skulled pale Nordids in the North, the long-skulled dark Mediterranids in the South, and the short-skulled dark Alpinids in the mountainous Center. It is this last race, which I personally believe represents an ancient pre-Aryan element in Europe, and likely represent (along with most Mediterraneans - most purely of both the primitive Sardinians) the descendants of the Middle Eastern-looking Early European Farmers who came out of Anatolia into Europe in the Neolithic, displacing the indigenous blue-eyed Western Hunter Gatherers and bringing with them agriculture, longhouses, and small statues of morbidly obese women. Alpinids are the typical "Continental European peasant phenotype," with light skin, dark brown hair and eyes, short stature, a heavy endomorphic build, short limbs proportional to their trunks, short and upturned "snub" noses, and a brachycephalic skull (i.e. broader proportional to its length). They are typical of Central France, Southern Germany, Central Italy, Southern coastal Norway, and of course, the Alps as a whole.

For visual reference:

Human Phenotypes - West Alpinid

Typical Alpinids:

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Alpinid range in Europe (not including the notable coastal Norwegian population):

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Now, I am sure that many of you have also heard of the frightening Josef Fritzl case from Austria. For those who don't, here is a brief summary:

The Fritzl case emerged in 2008, when a woman named Elisabeth Fritzl (born 6 April 1966) told police in the town of Amstetten, Lower Austria, Austria, that she had been held captive for 24 years by her father, Josef Fritzl (born 9 April 1935). J. Fritzl had assaulted, sexually abused, and raped his daughter repeatedly during her imprisonment inside a concealed area in the cellar of the family home. The abuse resulted in the birth of seven children: three of them remained in captivity with their mother; one had died just days after birth at the hands of J. Fritzl, who disposed of his body in an incinerator; and the other three were brought up by J. Fritzl and his wife, Rosemarie, having been reported as foundlings.

Horrifying and terrible, unthinkable to us! Let us observe the perpetrator:

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While he certainly has some undeniable Nordid admixture, the short-skulled, big-forehead Alpinid peasant element is clearly visible and dominant.

But it gets more interesting. We can see that there are a number of strikingly similar cases of men kidnapping women (often their own daughters!) and locking them up in a basement to rape and impregnate for decades. Observe, and note both the location and the phenotype.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lydia_Gouardo

Lydia Gouardo (born 13 November 1962) is a French woman, born in Maisons-Alfort, Val-de-Marne, who was imprisoned for 28 years, raped, and tortured by her stepfather, Raymond Gouardo, in their home in Meaux and Coulommes in Seine et Marne. The abuse took place from 1971 to 1999.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongelli_case

Michele Mongelli (born 1945) is a man from Turin [Turin = Etruria = Etruscan! = Pre-Aryan], Italy, who was arrested on 27 March 2009 for allegedly sexually abusing his daughter over 25 years. His son Giuseppe (born 1968) was also arrested on the allegation of abusing his sister and his own four daughters.

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Oops!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natascha_Kampusch

Natascha Maria Kampusch (born 17 February 1988) is an Austrian author and former talk show host. At the age of 10, on 2 March 1998, she was abducted and held in a secret cellar by her kidnapper Wolfgang Přiklopil for more than eight years, until she escaped on 23 August 2006.

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Hello there, darkie! Looks like the Proto-Indo-Europeans had some trouble purging you filthy agglutinative Middle Eastern farmers up in those mountain caves you love.


However, we also see similar crimes being committed by members of South America's resident brachycephalic mountain race, the Andids:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armando_Lucero

Armando Lucero (1942 – May 5, 2010) was an Argentine man arrested in 2009 on charges of raping one of his daughters over a period of 20 years. He was alleged to have fathered seven children with her, and also to have raped two of his other daughters. He was arrested when his daughter went to the police after fears he would abuse her own children.

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He was from around Mendoza in Andean Western Argentina.

We also have another Argentinian, Domingo Bulacio, from the north central province of Santiago del Estero. He (pictured on the left) looks rather Alpinid IMO, which would make sense considering the high proportion of Germans and Italians in Argentina. He clearly also has some Amerindian admixture.

Domingo Bulacio, alias Vernacho, 56, was charged with sexual abuse and incest when he appeared in a court in Santiago del Estero province, in north central Argentina. The court even heard that his relatives know of what was going on but did nothing about it.

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Bulacio was arrested in January 2016 when his daughter told doctors in Las Termas de Rio Hondo that she had raped for more than two decades by her own father. It was also reported that she had giving birth at least eight times.

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Finally, for our third Andid, we have Arcedio Álvarez Quintero, from Mariquita in the Andean region of Tolima in Colombia.

The Álvarez incest case was uncovered late March 2009 when 59-year-old Arcedio Álvarez was arrested in Mariquita, Colombia, accused of imprisoning and sexually abusing his daughter Alba Nidia Álvarez over a period of 25 years, beginning from when she was 9 years old. The daughter also gave birth to 14 children, 6 of whom died due to lack of medical care.

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I believe that this is both a racial and geographic phenomenon, i.e. it is not specific to the particularities of one race, but is rather a convergent trait of mountain-dwelling races (whether or not they are currently living in mountains, see Raymond Gouardo living outside of Paris), likely stemming from primitive instincts to kidnap a bride and hide her in a cave which their Stone Age mountain troglodyte ancestors evolved. There are, of course, a number of similar cases which arose in the Anglophone world, but none feature so distinct a racial overrepresentation as these. Please give thoughts.

[Svevlad]

I had a similar thought as well - but associate it more with hoarding behavior. Alps and other such mountainous places can be quite harsh, and encourage extreme hoarding behaviors which can probably be mismatched with the sexual sectors...

However, on the other hand I haven't heard of such cases from Anatolia, the Caucasus, Tibet etc, all very mountainous as well, with their own subraces. Wonder why...

[Toledo_Keyed]

You are insane if you believe them to be Half Arabs or extremely disimilar from North Germanics, the average Austrian maybe has a darker blonde and a slighty more tanned skin than the average Dane, but that's it

[JohnnyRomero]

You are insane if you believe them to be Half Arabs or extremely disimilar from North Germanics, the average Austrian maybe has a darker blonde and a slighty more tanned skin than the average Dane, but that's it

To quote The Arch-Racist, I am a scientific racist and you have a Moroccan grade of reading comprehension. Obviously if you take the abstract "average" of the people within an arbitrary line on a map and compare it to the composite average of a neighbor, they will not look particularly similar. Races/phenotypes cross national, linguistic, and cultural boundaries across the world, as languages are usually spread not by people with common ancestry spreading out and colonizing (cf. North America) but rather by a small band of warriors conquering a group of aborigines and making them speak their language, thus transmitting their "ethnic" identity to these racial aliens (cf. the Spanish in Mesoamerica; Romans in Gaul, Dacia, Spain etc.; Turks in Anatolia, etc.). In this regard, Europe is a textbook case of the latter.

Let's break down the fundamentals:
First, genetics. Europeans are descended from three primary genetic groups: dark-haired & blue-eyed Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG's); darker-pigmented Early European Farmers (EEF's) who migrated from Anatolia in the Neolithic and are connected to longhouses, Venus statues, the Linear Pottery Culture, and haplogroup G2a; and the Western Steppe Herders (WSH's), who, after branching off from the Ancient North Eurasians of Siberia (who were also the ancestors of Amerindians), migrated out of the steppe north of the Black Sea and are connected with pastoralism, kurgans, the Indo-European languages, the Yamnaya, Corded Ware, and Bell Beaker cultures, horseback riding, patriarchy, blond hair, light skin, and haplogroups R1a and R1b.
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Next, phenotypes. While racial science has been forbidden for political reasons since the end of the Second World War, our forebears in Europe did quite a good job of identifying and categorizing the different physical groups of man, even without modern genetic science. Given that racial science is now forbidden in the West (and worldwide to a lesser degree), there has unfortunately been no project (to my knowledge) to connect these genetic groups to modern phenotypes by analyzing DNA percentage of people and grouping them by phenotype rather than by arbitrary geographic distribution or nationality (as in the images above). However, if we're smart we can conclude this on our own.

The first and most obvious connection is that the Nordic race is the phenotype of the Western Steppe Herders, based on the shape of skulls found at Yamnaya and related sites, the presence of the genes for blond hair, tall stature, and blue eyes in WSH remains, and the strongly overlapping geographic distribution.

The Eastern European Farmers we can connect to the Mediterranean race; their purest genetic descendants can be found among the short, dark, pug-faced, maggot-eating, elder-poisoning aboriginal Sardinians.

The Alpinids are a bit of mystery in this regard, but based on their darker complexion (i.e. lack of mutations for blond hair & blue eyes), short stature, and usual presence at the lower rungs of historical European societies (i.e. coolies under Aryan colonial rule), I think that they are a mountain-dwelling offshoot of the EEF's that evolved brachycephalic skulls and a macroskelic body in order to adapt to mountain dwelling.

Now, with that in mind, let us address your comment piece by piece.

You are insane if you believe them to be Half Arabs

I never said that they were "half-Arabs." The Basal Eurasian Farmer ancestry is thoroughly distant, on a scale of several millennia, in which time plenty of evolutionary divergence has occurred between the two; but they still stand united in opposition to the Aryan and his ideals.

or extremely disimilar from North Germanics

"Germanic" is a mostly irrelevant qualification here. As Varg was apt to say, African Americans are "Germanic" because they speak a Germanic language. Due to the common process of conquest and assimilation of racially alien subjects which I described above, linguistic, national, or even ethnic identities are often poor proxies for real biological difference. These people speak the same language, live in the same country, etc., yet, as European anthropologists first noticed long ago, distinct "types" seem to be present within certain areas. Not only are differences found, but these differences seem to be "clumped" with each other, i.e. in Germany long-skulled people are more often blond, blue-eyed, tall, and brachyskelic (longer limbs proportional to the trunk), whereas short-skulled people are more often brunet, brown-eyed, short, and macroskelic (shorter limbs proportional to the trunk). So there are not just random differences, but rather different types who have general ranges, becoming more mixed on their borders (cf. Sub-Nordid & Borreby types as examples of Nordid-Alpinid crosses).

the average Austrian maybe has a darker blonde and a slighty more tanned skin than the average Dane, but that's it

This is equivalent to saying that the "average American" is only slightly darker and curlier of hair than the average Briton, so therefore black people don't exist. Certainly, the racial divides in Europe are much narrower, older (giving them more time to dissolve at the margins via interbreeding), and far more disconnected from historical and modern societal status and political struggles (at least no explicitly or consciously) than those in post-Columbian Exchange America, but they nevertheless persist. More or less all serious (i.e. not beholden to the post-war cult of anti-racism) European physical anthropologists from the early nineteenth century through the late twentieth identified these three races - Nordic, Alpine, and Mediterannean - as being the three primary racial elements of Europe, and backed it up with extensive and repeated surveys of average stature, cephalic index, rate of blondness, etc., not by country but by city, which is a much higher-definition study and much more suitable for proper science. None of them ever said "all Scandinavians are Nordic" or "all Austrians are Alpine" or "all Italians are Mediterranean" - far from it, they instead focused much of their efforts on identifying the distribution of multiple different races within each nation. So yes, perhaps the "average Austrian" might look not too dissimilar from the "average Dane" (this is less of an "own" than you think it is, considering the significant Alpinid element in Denmark, see William Z. Ripley's The Races of Europe); but if we look at real individuals, rather than creating some imaginary New Man by taking all of the people of a certain geographic area and sticking them in a racial blender, we will see that there are indisputably two distinct primary types of Caucasian within Austria who, in spite of the presence of a number of hybrid individuals and contact types, maintain two very distinct appearances from each other - one is tall, slim, blond, light-eyed, dolichocephalic, and brachyskelic, whereas the other is short, heavyset, brunet, dark-eyed, brachycephalic, and macroskelic. See example charts with Italy and its Alpine, Mediterranean, and (to a lesser extent) Nordid races (including the Sardinian sub-race of the latter):
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In conclusion:
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[Toledo_Keyed]

I appreciate the effort of your post, and i agree with most of it, homever, it's simply idiotic to consider, say, the Swiss to be manlets when the average male height is 178cm, and in Sweden 181cm, just 3cm of difference

And if Denmark and Norway both have sizeable Alpinid genes, what is the most pure Nordid country? Does it even exist?

[JohnnyRomero]

I appreciate the effort of your post, and i agree with most of it, homever, it's simply idiotic to consider, say, the Swiss to be manlets when the average male height is 178cm, and in Sweden 181cm, just 3cm of difference

And if Denmark and Norway both have sizeable Alpinid genes, what is the most pure Nordid country? Does it even exist?

I appreciate your good faith response. But once again you make the mistake of conflating race with nationality. "The Swiss" are not even a real nationality (a little German, a little French, a little Italian, a little Romansch...), and show a strong Nordid influence. Anyways, I may have made the mistake of exaggerating Alpinid shortness; they are only short relative to the towering Nordids, and actually represent the taller element in nations they share with the uniformly short & dark Mediterraneans (as can be seen in the charts of Italy I posted). Typical (European) Alpinid height range is ~160-185cm for post-industrial males; compare to the height ranges for Nordids (~170-195cm) and Mediterraneans (155-180) of the same demographic. A more proper description of Alpinids is "stocky," in that they appear shorter than they really are due to their body type (endomorphic, i.e. heavyset & fatty) and their skelic index (macroskelic, i.e. limbs shorter proportional to the trunk, like East Asians, Inuits, and, for an extreme example, midgets).

As for the purest Nordid country, the best contender is, at least according to Ripley, Sweden (excluding the Lappish north). Northwest and North-Central Germany are also strong contenders, as is Northern and Eastern Netherlands (excluding the more Alpinid Holland and Zeeland).

[Toledo_Keyed]

I appreciate your good faith response. But once again you make the mistake of conflating race with nationality. "The Swiss" are not even a real nationality (a little German, a little French, a little Italian, a little Romansch...), and show a strong Nordid influence. Anyways, I may have made the mistake of exaggerating Alpinid shortness; they are only short relative to the towering Nordids, and actually represent the taller element in nations they share with the uniformly short & dark Mediterraneans (as can be seen in the charts of Italy I posted). Typical (European) Alpinid height range is ~160-185cm for post-industrial males; compare to the height ranges for Nordids (~170-195cm) and Mediterraneans (155-180) of the same demographic. A more proper description of Alpinids is "stocky," in that they appear shorter than they really are due to their body type (endomorphic, i.e. heavyset & fatty) and their skelic index (macroskelic, i.e. limbs shorter proportional to the trunk, like East Asians, Inuits, and, for an extreme example, midgets).

As for the purest Nordid country, the best contender is, at least according to Ripley, Sweden (excluding the Lappish north). Northwest and North-Central Germany are also strong contenders, as is Northern and Eastern Netherlands (excluding the more Alpinid Holland and Zeeland).

I didn't say Swiss was a real nationality, ethnically it's mostly Swabian, with sizeable French and North Italian minorities in the peripheres, Austria, while still quite ethnically diverse, doesn't have nearly as much divergence as Switzerland, but of course, the Northwest is more similar to Swabia and the South to Venice and Lombardy

As for Height, while i believe you to be good intentioned, in my experience as an Spaniard (taller Atlanto-Mediterranid variant of the Mediterranid category) 155cm males are extremely rare, i myself don't recall ever meeting one, 190 ones being far more common (though obviously not enough to be average-ish, my father for example is 187), the average range that conforms the majority of the Atlanto-Mediterranid male Population is 170-185, Alpinids i imagine a bit higher at 172.5-187.5, and Nordids 175-190, based on observations, as there is not a wild height divergence between Atlanto-Mediterranids and Nordids from my understanding, as even in the Netherlands the average male height falls a bit short of 185

[Svevlad]

Personally I believe the Alpinid types are mostly a mix of WHGs and EEFs, adapted to "extreme seasonality"

also word of caution re: the longhouse - most of the fat venus statues were self portraits and probably not objects of worship - pre-aryan european idols looked much stranger in general

I do wonder about the Dinaric type, though - logically we should be more stocky, like the Alpinids, but instead we're mostly pretty lanky despite the geography. Wat means?

[anthony]

Wat means?

That you're retarded, apparently. Write in English.

[JohnnyRomero]

I do wonder about the Dinaric type, though - logically we should be more stocky, like the Alpinids, but instead we're mostly pretty lanky despite the geography. Wat means?

Dinarics are a curious reverse of the Alpinid - both are brachycephalic mountain-dwellers, but the former is lanky and long-nosed, the latter stocky and short-nosed. The two races of the mountains, the caves which underlie them, and the Inner Earth to which the caves eventually lead - the Goblin and the Dwarf.

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I appreciate your good faith response. But once again you make the mistake of conflating race with nationality. "The Swiss" are not even a real nationality (a little German, a little French, a little Italian, a little Romansch...), and show a strong Nordid influence. Anyways, I may have made the mistake of exaggerating Alpinid shortness; they are only short relative to the towering Nordids, and actually represent the taller element in nations they share with the uniformly short & dark Mediterraneans (as can be seen in the charts of Italy I posted). Typical (European) Alpinid height range is ~160-185cm for post-industrial males; compare to the height ranges for Nordids (~170-195cm) and Mediterraneans (155-180) of the same demographic. A more proper description of Alpinids is "stocky," in that they appear shorter than they really are due to their body type (endomorphic, i.e. heavyset & fatty) and their skelic index (macroskelic, i.e. limbs shorter proportional to the trunk, like East Asians, Inuits, and, for an extreme example, midgets).

As for the purest Nordid country, the best contender is, at least according to Ripley, Sweden (excluding the Lappish north). Northwest and North-Central Germany are also strong contenders, as is Northern and Eastern Netherlands (excluding the more Alpinid Holland and Zeeland).

I didn't say Swiss was a real nationality, ethnically it's mostly Swabian, with sizeable French and North Italian minorities in the peripheres, Austria, while still quite ethnically diverse, doesn't have nearly as much divergence as Switzerland, but of course, the Northwest is more similar to Swabia and the South to Venice and Lombardy

As for Height, while i believe you to be good intentioned, in my experience as an Spaniard (taller Atlanto-Mediterranid variant of the Mediterranid category) 155cm males are extremely rare, i myself don't recall ever meeting one, 190 ones being far more common (though obviously not enough to be average-ish, my father for example is 187), the average range that conforms the majority of the Atlanto-Mediterranid male Population is 170-185, Alpinids i imagine a bit higher at 172.5-187.5, and Nordids 175-190, based on observations, as there is not a wild height divergence between Atlanto-Mediterranids and Nordids from my understanding, as even in the Netherlands the average male height falls a bit short of 185

Hm, I neglected Atlanto-Meds in my Mediterranid height range calculations. If you are a Western or Northern Spaniard, then you would certainly be more thoroughly affected by ancestral Cro-Magnid roots and Nordid admixture from seafaring travelers (the Atlantid being simply a stabilized Nordid-Mediterranid hybrid built atop a basal Cro-Magnid foundation.

[GraalChud]

Personally I believe the Alpinid types are mostly a mix of WHGs and EEFs, adapted to "extreme seasonality"

also word of caution re: the longhouse - most of the fat venus statues were self portraits and probably not objects of worship - pre-aryan european idols looked much stranger in general

I do wonder about the Dinaric type, though - logically we should be more stocky, like the Alpinids, but instead we're mostly pretty lanky despite the geography. Wat means?

From what I can tell, the prototypical Alpinid`s autosomal makeup is something like 40-60% EEF, 30-40% WSH, and the remainder is WHG, as WHG peaks in Northern Europe (esp. NE Europe in the Baltics and Scandinavia) and is not terribly high in the region in question.

What I struggle to reconcile with OP`s thesis is the fact that Alpinids are primarily descended from EEFs, who by most accounts were not as inclined toward rape in pre-history. Though I would not go to the same extreme as many might and say that all EEF cultures, regardless of their environment and historical circumstance, were all pacifistic brown communist niggers, it can hardly be contended that they were as inclined to rape as their Aryan successors (who raped their way throughout Eurasia) due to either cultural or genetic factors (or some combination thereof). After all, they were sedentary and seemed to have a more collectivist bend to their societal structures and were not as patriarchal as Aryans (esp. in the Danube area, where the longhouse meme was most accurate as a descriptor for the EEFs living there), so it seems unlikely that they were running around raping the women in their own settlements. At most, they might`ve raped outsiders from other tribes during raids, but it is not likely that they were as prolific rapists as Aryans.  Further, as was mentioned earlier, genetically similar populations in Anatolia are not as inclined toward rape, which throws another wrench into OP`s thesis, as this seems to indicate that the alleged Alpinid proclivity toward rape is not genetic, but rather circumstantial/environmental. All of this works against the notion that Alpinids or their EEF ancestors are/were genetically inclined toward being rapists, as if they were they never would have allowed the above-described conditions to arise.

If we assume that OP`s thesis is correct, then perhaps the explanation for the discrepancy between the tendency towards rape in Neolithic EEFs/unadulterated EEF-derived populations and modern European Alpinids lies in what happened when Aryans and EEFs mixed, giving rise to modern European Alpinids; it could very well be the case that the infusion of Aryan genes into predominantly EEF populations (which harbored resentment toward their women) gave them the "spark" needed to turn them into rapists. This would explain how/why EEFs were not infamous rapists, but how/why their Alpinid descendants are.

Alternatively, it could be a matter of both circumstance and genetics - once Aryans mixed with EEF women and imposed a hyper-patriarchal social order in Central/Southern Europe - liberating men from the chains of gender equality and giving rise to the modern Alpinid imbued with the Aryan proclivity toward rape - males born in the region were presented with the opportunity to rape freely, and so they did. In essence, they`d be rapists of opportunity and natural-born rapists.

A final explanation could be one of purely circumstance, where everything described in the second explanation was true but it had little or nothing to do with the infusion of Aryan blood into the local gene pool and everything to do with the fact that the Aryan-imposed social order simply allowed for men to rape more freely. It could also be the product of some other change(s) in the circumstances of S/C European peoples, or some combination of everything described above. In any case, this would make Alpinids rapists of opportunity rather than natural-born rapists.

[Guest]

I think it's little more than low impulse control. Dumb men with psychopathic traits are common in matriarchal societies (niggers are a great example of this). The Longhouse had likely been going on for centuries when the Aryans invaded, so the men who escaped the invasions would most certainly be dumb psychopaths.

[Guest]

Aren't some aspects of these crimes similar to the longhouse itself?

Every red-blooded man wants to throw a squealing beauty over his shoulder, take her into his domain and ravish her.

Contrast that with these crimes. Your typical man does not want to rape his own kids- that is not a fertile strategy, that is more of a sadistic or insecure power-obsessed strategy loosely based upon fertile instincts. He does not want to imprison his own kids or kill his kids or kill his pregnant warbride. I suspect that the psychopathic rapist phenotype is interlinked with the longhouse, perhaps in a way reminiscent of the Jouvenalian cycle. If the longhouse cannot reproduce by itself, maybe the rapist psychopath steals some brides and rules a psychotic ephemeral patriarchy that evolves into a matriarchy after his death.

going down https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kidnappings and sorting kidnapping rapes by a plausibly alpinid appearance and whether they murdered the victim. Some of my instinct regarding alpinid types may be confused with general ugliness. I only looked at wiki articles for pictures of the perpetrator, so there may be some selection bias towards ugly criminals getting photographed.

alpinid, non-killer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caryl_Chessman

non-alpinid, non-killer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernesto_Miranda

non-alpinid, killed victims:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappeara...y_Lamplugh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hanratty

alpinid look, killed victims:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Kondro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Anthony_Buell
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Singleton merely amputated+left for dead but counts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_...ne_Devaney
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Dawn_Magyar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutroux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dutro...igures.jpg raped first batch, killed second batch, not totally alpinid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kacie_Woody

I quit around "Sheila White" while looking through results for ctrl+f "rape" from top to bottom. If someone else wants to sort the last ones go ahead.

It may be that either long-term kidnapping or outright murdering rape victims is the meta in contemporary society, so maybe it isn't worthwhile to distinguish on either of these characteristics. I think the alpinid type appears more (sexually?) violent in general. Or maybe just violent in general.

[Guest]

Here is an alignment of themes:

A longhouse is an insular borderline inbred matriarchy. A longhouse in the mountains could only be more insular and more inbred, going off the Appalachian evidence. In consanguineous communities like the hutterites a custom evolves that prioritizes female choice in breeding, because female investment is higher and reproductive potential more scarce they are more likely to choose mates with MHC complexes unlike their own. This choice reduces the risk of accidental/transitive inbreeding and vulnerable immune systems. You can confirm this tendency in rats etc by letting the females select mates by scent.

What position is the male evolutionary psych frame placed in when they are either A. chosen by longhouse wifey's nose or B. doomed to incel purgatory? It is only their own actions that have a chance to save them from this fate. If they can abduct a wife from a longhouse and sequester her away from the jealous/vengeful matron, any chance at fertile survival is better than the default eventual death. Not like every male will make this choice, but in the roulette of genetic recombination every male ought to have these instincts as a backup plan. If they are chosen and thus sexually pacified they will be the normie drone and suppress the badthink impulses. If they are rejected they must kidnap and rape victims from either their own longhouse or another.

Likewise, any male anti-incest instincts are vestigial impairments in a longhouse evolutionary context.

[Guest]

Facial width-to-height ratio (fWHR) is a well established predictor of psychopathy.

[tavkon]

You are insane if you believe them to be Half Arabs or extremely disimilar from North Germanics, the average Austrian maybe has a darker blonde and a slighty more tanned skin than the average Dane, but that's it

To quote The Arch-Racist, I am a scientific racist and you have a Moroccan grade of reading comprehension.

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Let's break down the fundamentals:
First, genetics. Europeans are descended from three primary genetic groups: dark-haired & blue-eyed Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG's); darker-pigmented Early European Farmers (EEF's) who migrated from Anatolia in the Neolithic and are connected to longhouses, Venus statues, the Linear Pottery Culture, and haplogroup G2a; and the Western Steppe Herders (WSH's), who, after branching off from the Ancient North Eurasians of Siberia (who were also the ancestors of Amerindians), migrated out of the steppe north of the Black Sea and are connected with pastoralism, kurgans, the Indo-European languages, the Yamnaya, Corded Ware, and Bell Beaker cultures, horseback riding, patriarchy, blond hair, light skin, and haplogroups R1a and R1b.

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If you were anything close to a 'scientific racist', you'd know Early European farmers (EEFs) boasted lighter skin than Western Hunter Gatherers (WHGs). While it's true the phenotypic expression of pigment-associated alleles in mesolithic samples is a contested topic, this would apply the same to early neolithic farmers, of whom only a minority carried the 'dark' variants found ubiquitously in WHGs (a fact which 'popular science' has emphatically drawn attention to).

-The juxtaposition of 'patriarchal pre-indo-europeans' versus 'matriarchal old europeans', which is how you characterize the neolithic (as a 'gynocratic society'), is wrong. Neolithic cultures exhibited strict patrilineality, polygyny, female exogamy, social hierarchization (i.e. differential treatment of sexes), and intertribal warfare.

Your description of the Western Steppe Herder's physical appearance is mistaken. WSHs were 'intermediate' skinned, dark eyed and dark haired, all in all 'swarthoids' -- the lighter features only manifesting after contact with western farmers.

Nordic ethnogenesis is more aptly described as resulting from the following components:

Corded Ware-subtyped Battle/Boat Axe culture [Globular Amphora {EEF + Ahrensburgian HGs} + Yamnaya {Sidelkino HGs + Caucasus HGs}] + Pitted Ware [Ahrensburgian HGs {Epigravettian SEEuro. HGs + Magdalenian HGs} + Sidelkino HGs].

[Guest]

How does food and diet play into this? 'Good ethnic food' seems to be the result of a matriarchal old European strain. You need a preponderance of matriarchs to bully people into making their food a ritual and an important symbol of their identity. You get this in Mediterranean and black societies, in the latter where the family is in tact. For NW Europeans, there is a high level of cooking talent and restaurant culture, but there is no ethnic food that they identify with in a tribal sense or which is be commodified as 'good ethnic food' for some other race. In non-ethnic-food people of the north, you see an non-bigoted attitude towards food, and often a bias towards the exotic and foreign — hence Mexican or Chinese trash is prized and something like Thai, which is a more elegant type of Chinese, is overrated. Otherwise, in the bigoted, more peasantish, northern type there is a strong distaste for the fancy, the exotic, the spiced, etc, and a strong preference for plain meat and potatoes, and is comorbid with protestant minimalism, seen in 'mission style' furniture and the drab colors used in public places in American society (occasionally, we will let Meds and spics add colors to certain walls or steel support beams on a subway line or something). The English are known for having bad food, but the traditional recipes that do exist are excellent, if hard to make and easy to fuck up, which can make them seem worse than they are. In any case, they're certainly better than bean and lard mash on a greasy tortilla. The same people in America were notorious for moving from place to place, being utterly disinterested in setting down roots and handing down farms through the generations. This is in stark contrast with Germans, who in America still hold onto their farms and act as the sort of invisible backbone majority of the white American stock. These are supposedly similar people but exhibit starkly different behaviors.

[JohnnyRomero]

You are insane if you believe them to be Half Arabs or extremely disimilar from North Germanics, the average Austrian maybe has a darker blonde and a slighty more tanned skin than the average Dane, but that's it

To quote The Arch-Racist, I am a scientific racist and you have a Moroccan grade of reading comprehension.

[...]

Let's break down the fundamentals:
First, genetics. Europeans are descended from three primary genetic groups: dark-haired & blue-eyed Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG's); darker-pigmented Early European Farmers (EEF's) who migrated from Anatolia in the Neolithic and are connected to longhouses, Venus statues, the Linear Pottery Culture, and haplogroup G2a; and the Western Steppe Herders (WSH's), who, after branching off from the Ancient North Eurasians of Siberia (who were also the ancestors of Amerindians), migrated out of the steppe north of the Black Sea and are connected with pastoralism, kurgans, the Indo-European languages, the Yamnaya, Corded Ware, and Bell Beaker cultures, horseback riding, patriarchy, blond hair, light skin, and haplogroups R1a and R1b.

[...]

If you were anything close to a 'scientific racist', you'd know Early European farmers (EEFs) boasted lighter skin than Western Hunter Gatherers (WHGs). While it's true the phenotypic expression of pigment-associated alleles in mesolithic samples is a contested topic, this would apply the same to early neolithic farmers, of whom only a minority carried the 'dark' variants found ubiquitously in WHGs (a fact which 'popular science' has emphatically drawn attention to).

-The juxtaposition of 'patriarchal pre-indo-europeans' versus 'matriarchal old europeans', which is how you characterize the neolithic (as a 'gynocratic society'), is wrong. Neolithic cultures exhibited strict patrilineality, polygyny, female exogamy, social hierarchization (i.e. differential treatment of sexes), and intertribal warfare.

Your description of the Western Steppe Herder's physical appearance is mistaken. WSHs were 'intermediate' skinned, dark eyed and dark haired, all in all 'swarthoids' -- the lighter features only manifesting after contact with western farmers.

Nordic ethnogenesis is more aptly described as resulting from the following components:

Corded Ware-subtyped Battle/Boat Axe culture [Globular Amphora {EEF + Ahrensburgian HGs} + Yamnaya {Sidelkino HGs + Caucasus HGs}] + Pitted Ware [Ahrensburgian HGs {Epigravettian SEEuro. HGs + Magdalenian HGs} + Sidelkino HGs].

Thank you for the fact-check, I would like to clarify that I have been doing continual research into racial science, genomics, phenotypes, etc., so that much of what I have previously written on this topic is very primitive & poorly-formed. Babby's first racisms.

[Muskox]

People are far too hard on Alpinids...

I have noticed that Alpinids seem to be over-represented in the Mafia as well. In fact, I'm not sure that I've ever seen a mafioso of a purely Mediterranean type.

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FWIW, my great-grandfather's parents were both from SW Germany, and he was a relatively typical Alpinid (his profile was very similar to fig. 3 in the OP), and my grandmother, late in life, said that he had been sexually abusive. However, she had a degenerative neurological disorder and her sister shed doubt on it, so I don't know if it's true. Her parents did attempt to get the both of them signed with modelling agencies, and I'm not sure to what degree they were successful, but I have seen some modelling portfolio photos of my grandmother and her sister as children and teenagers. Certainly not the industry that is least associated with child sexual abuse.

[anthony]

Are we really talking about alpinids now or a more general physical type? I feel like this shape of head can occur pretty much anywhere. Maybe we're taking this in more of a Lombrosian direction now (I have not done any serious searching into this but the principles of Lombroso strike me as probably onto something).