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Who the FUCK picked non-white?
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(02-16-2022, 02:56 PM)PIGSAW Wrote: Who the FUCK picked non-white?
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I'm sorry, but it's the truth. I don't like anime.
#5
https://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2006/10/...f-you.html

"He gets it."
#6
Surprised @anthony hasn't made an essay post on the national socialist core of Anime, though i think it would be better to start a thread on what youth-core/Hitlerianism is. I'll make it eventually if someone else doesn't, I'm just very lazy right now.
#7
My first real political thought, years and years ago, was noting how fascist or "classical" anime was. 

I saw power, violence, and borderline amorality, or at least a morality extremely far removed from the world created after 1945.  The focus on aesthetic beauty goes without saying, of course.

You could make an anime about Alexander the Great as the protagonist, and include all his massacres and murders, and it wouldn't feel out of place in an anime, as it would in Western media. The 2004 biopic of him is an extreme disappointment, preferring to conceal rather than show his true self.

"The link between the Anime Protagonist and the Fuhrerprinzip."

Anthony has made numerous remarks on the "Hitlerian" nature of several media, including anime. I think he's best qualified to do so, but I have some ideas of my own.
#8
We're all waiting on you to make the thread, Anthony....
#9
I have about a dozen threads I could make on this subject covering particular angles and works. The central idea is the one this whole sphere seems to have rallied around, that there are people who want to take life more seriously and without compromise and they are the good ones. Japan is the closest thing to a coherent people organised around such a principle in the modern world. Their destiny was thwarted on a political level, but the spirit largely survived, even if terribly wounded.

It shows in everything they do. Last night I watched 'Rasen', the controversial and poorly received sequel to 'Ring'. It wasn't what horror-normalfags of the time wanted, but it was exactly where I thought Ring was going all along. Rasen is a story about just what I described above, serious people who found themselves frustrated by our world finding a way to get one up and over it and engaging in a kind of spiritual warfare. As I've said in other places before this is something American media used to cover, but it fizzled out and faded from memory while in Japan it's still a new and lively concept.

I think you can absolutely practice effective sociology through intelligent viewing of popular culture. In fact I'd go as far as to say it's the best way.

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I may make a thread soon on anime sociology, cover a few individual things I like within that I think represent key ideas, then after that make new threads for more particular ideas. In particular one I kept telling Billionaire I was on the verge of making on old amarna.
#10
(03-07-2022, 10:19 PM)Diannishman Wrote: Perhaps being obtuse here but I am interested in if this seriousness is precisely a novel spirit, I am not informed on the attitudes present in other cultures' entertainment and I may be misjudging what this is opposite to, but my first thought was that mo lei tau (which has far-outlived HK cinema and now directs all Chinese media) is something with relatively distinct origin from what this appreciation of anime and japonica is juxtaposed against but could be described as similarly 'non-serious', so I am wondering if those are essentially some sort of "pre-civilized" or degraded, chaotic state of approaching works.

As for mo lei tau, I'm far from an expert, but my favourite popular movie critic Armond White seems quite fond of them. I take that as a good sign you're onto something here. And a brief thought on White, his struggle is our one. He obviously takes film infinitely more seriously than any other popular critic or common moviegoer, and for this is a constant subject of ridicule among them. His ideas are confidently dismissed as outrageous and ridiculous by people who are completely ignorant next to him.

More particularly on Chinese tastes, I'm slowly reading 'Monkey' chapter by chapter at the moment, and between this and popular cultivation narratives there's obviously something fundamentally different in how the Chinese imagine a more full and intense existence. The trend at the moment looks like... material shortcuts to greater material powers and pleasures? That's kind of based even if that's all there is, but I feel like I'm missing a world of nuance here.
#11
(03-07-2022, 06:09 PM)The Baked Alaska Respecter Wrote: https://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2006/10/...f-you.html

"He gets it."

I'm surprised to see this get brought up, even more so that John's blog is still up and running after all these years with the allegations (which I'm sure are true because he's a cartoonist). While I have reservations and some severe issues with "cartoonists" for birthing and proliferating furries and most online (retard fetish) degeneracy (which is always incorrectly leveraged against "anime") that was a cult Kricfalusi blogpost for a reason. Most of his examples (and this was even at a point in time where American animation/illustration was not as bleak and pozzed as it is now, though I don't regard '00s American animation highly outside of very specific instances of which almost all took inspiration from Japanese culture- to be clear, no I don't mean fucking Avatar, I mean things like Invader Zim where Vasquez listed Trigun as one of his favorite shows during production in an online livechat interview) are particularly sanguine- FLCL, Rozen Maiden, sepia Bebop shots- '00s fascination with sunset and autumn- gold, grey, orange (orange is an emo color because it reads like 35mm photography from the turn of the century) but an interesting detail I'd completely missed is him linking two BJD's as examples. He's dead right to conflate BJD's as a type of "anime" which are most certainly fascist along the same lines anthony often brings up with regard to depictions of ephebophic figures.

anthony if you do write a thread on this, I highly recommend delving into BJD forums and similar. I will be posting about this regardless though.

(03-07-2022, 06:47 PM)Meredith Wrote: My first real political thought, years and years ago, was noting how fascist or "classical" anime was. 

I saw power, violence, and borderline amorality, or at least a morality extremely far removed from the world created after 1945.  The focus on aesthetic beauty goes without saying, of course.

You could make an anime about Alexander the Great as the protagonist, and include all his massacres and murders, and it wouldn't feel out of place in an anime, as it would in Western media. The 2004 biopic of him is an extreme disappointment, preferring to conceal rather than show his true self.

"The link between the Anime Protagonist and the Fuhrerprinzip."

Anthony has made numerous remarks on the "Hitlerian" nature of several media, including anime. I think he's best qualified to do so, but I have some ideas of my own.

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I could talk about how Mamoru Oshii is a Nazi and how T777 would love Jin-Roh, but I'd rather focus on something people were too stupid to use in "Fashwave" (although none of this deserved to be dragged into that):

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Are you familiar with M.D. Geist?

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My taste in anime usually orbits the Y2k era- late '90s into the late '00s (things like Studio 4c that focused on surreal themes and experimental animation technique). But M.D. Geist is BAP: The OVA, '80s anime reveled so much in the danger, sex, and ultraviolence of Rock & Roll and I thought of M.D. Geist as a bleeding spearhead of your point.

(03-07-2022, 07:44 PM)anthony Wrote: I have about a dozen threads I could make on this subject covering particular angles and works. The central idea is the one this whole sphere seems to have rallied around, that there are people who want to take life more seriously and without compromise and they are the good ones. Japan is the closest thing to a coherent people organised around such a principle in the modern world. Their destiny was thwarted on a political level, but the spirit largely survived, even if terribly wounded.

It shows in everything they do. Last night I watched 'Rasen', the controversial and poorly received sequel to 'Ring'. It wasn't what horror-normalfags of the time wanted, but it was exactly where I thought Ring was going all along. Rasen is a story about just what I described above, serious people who found themselves frustrated by our world finding a way to get one up and over it and engaging in a kind of spiritual warfare. As I've said in other places before this is something American media used to cover, but it fizzled out and faded from memory while in Japan it's still a new and lively concept.

I think you can absolutely practice effective sociology through intelligent viewing of popular culture. In fact I'd go as far as to say it's the best way.

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I may make a thread soon on anime sociology, cover a few individual things I like within that I think represent key ideas, then after that make new threads for more particular ideas. In particular one I kept telling Billionaire I was on the verge of making on old amarna.

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#13
I don’t particularly hate or dislike anime, nor do I find myself particularly in love with anime. You might call me an anime fence sitter, a sophisticate. Will I pull one out of a hat and talk about a new slice of life moe bullshit anime? Perhaps. Will I watch or listen to you moan about the characters in your gay vampire manga? Probably not. Imagine being a man of taste and an anime gentleman scholar… I think it to be a fitting visage.
#14
Being turned on by cartoons (not sexually aroused, just turned on or interested) is not an adult phenomenon. It's shameful to have an interest in these gook cartoons as a, say, 23 year old man. I haven't been interested in cartoons since I was about 14. The inherent appeal of such things faded away quickly as I grew pubic hair. Somehow anime types seem to be more stunted than average, even compared to the general population, which is probably more stunted than past generations.
#15
Personally, I don't have a problem with anime watchers. Even if they could be called stunted, they're still ahead of obese manchildren obsessed with star wars, capeshit movies or so called "fandoms". I watched anime when I was younger and enjoyed it, now it does not have any appeal - mostly because I prefer literary form to motion pictures in general.

One recurring theme I have noticed when it comes to anime, even the supposedly right-leaning ones, is how overwhelmingly feminized they are. Not feminist, feminized. One of the biggest advantages the Japanese animation has over western media is its supposedly positive portrayal of their females, compared to what we can see in the west, and it's correct in the aspect, in most cases, of physical appearance, thinness, and so on. But one inevitably notices the feminization of the typically male professions in these works. Girl-generals, girl-soldiers, girl-sailors, girl-pilots, girl-knights, girl-warriors, etc. The men that do show up in them are either effeminate in appearance, passive and submissive (with exceptions of course), or are portrayed as villains who are meant to lose in the end. In fiction of all kinds it usually makes me unable to suspend my disbelief and loses all of its appeal.
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(09-23-2022, 01:09 PM)Guest Wrote: One recurring theme I have noticed when it comes to anime, even the supposedly right-leaning ones, is how overwhelmingly feminized they are. Not feminist, feminized. One of the biggest advantages the Japanese animation has over western media is its supposedly positive portrayal of their females, compared to what we can see in the west, and it's correct in the aspect, in most cases, of physical appearance, thinness, and so on. But one inevitably notices the feminization of the typically male professions in these works. Girl-generals, girl-soldiers, girl-sailors, girl-pilots, girl-knights, girl-warriors, etc. The men that do show up in them are either effeminate in appearance, passive and submissive (with exceptions of course), or are portrayed as villains who are meant to lose in the end. In fiction of all kinds it usually makes me unable to suspend my disbelief and loses all of its appeal.

People of all ages and genders find the female form more pleasant than the male one; which makes the fantasy of "what if women had individual personalities and did things of note" a perennially appealing cope.
#17
(09-23-2022, 01:09 PM)Guest Wrote: But one inevitably notices the feminization of the typically male professions in these works. Girl-generals, girl-soldiers, girl-sailors, girl-pilots, girl-knights, girl-warriors, etc. The men that do show up in them are either effeminate in appearance, passive and submissive (with exceptions of course), or are portrayed as villains who are meant to lose in the end. In fiction of all kinds it usually makes me unable to suspend my disbelief and loses all of its appeal.

I'd say you're leaving out Shonen's which, while getting less discussion in our circles, is undoubtedly the most popular genre here in the West. Dragon Ball and all its variants obviously isn't too feminized, and I imagine other popular ones like Naruto or One Piece aren't either (I haven't seen these as I don't watch much shonen). These are the sorts of shows the 'average' anime fan is into in the West; if you say you watch anime, this is probably the type of thing people will think of, unless they're a bit more in the know. 

But you're rightmany animes popular in this sphere are 'female-dominated,' but I don't really see the problem . Why do we like these kinds of animes? Because anime girls are cute, and it's fun to watch shows with cute girls. I don't think it's more complicated than that, and I don't have much trouble suspending my disbelief, because the "wackiness" (hate this word) adds an element of humor. ZUN was once asked why Touhou [almost] only features girls, and he answered that he likes drawing cute dresses, and "boys don't look good in frilly dresses." I'm sure many manga artists are in a similar boat where they simply like drawing cute girls, so they make and tell stories that allow them to draw cute girls. It's no surprise why so many painters loved painting female nudes, is it?
#18
(09-23-2022, 12:43 PM)Trevor Bauer Wrote: Being turned on by cartoons (not sexually aroused, just turned on or interested) is not an adult phenomenon. It's shameful to have an interest in these gook cartoons as a, say, 23 year old man. I haven't been interested in cartoons since I was about 14. The inherent appeal of such things faded away quickly as I grew pubic hair. Somehow anime types seem to be more stunted than average, even compared to the general population, which is probably more stunted than past generations.

Explain the spiritual difference between anime and live-action film (beyond the obvious point that anime is channeling high human ideals while 90% of mainstream live action media is pure atavistic negrophilic communism). No I am not a grown up and I intend to kill myself if I ever find myself one.

(09-23-2022, 01:09 PM)Guest Wrote: Personally, I don't have a problem with anime watchers. Even if they could be called stunted, they're still ahead of obese manchildren obsessed with star wars, capeshit movies or so called "fandoms". I watched anime when I was younger and enjoyed it, now it does not have any appeal - mostly because I prefer literary form to motion pictures in general.

One recurring theme I have noticed when it comes to anime, even the supposedly right-leaning ones, is how overwhelmingly feminized they are. Not feminist, feminized. One of the biggest advantages the Japanese animation has over western media is its supposedly positive portrayal of their females, compared to what we can see in the west, and it's correct in the aspect, in most cases, of physical appearance, thinness, and so on. But one inevitably notices the feminization of the typically male professions in these works. Girl-generals, girl-soldiers, girl-sailors, girl-pilots, girl-knights, girl-warriors, etc. The men that do show up in them are either effeminate in appearance, passive and submissive (with exceptions of course), or are portrayed as villains who are meant to lose in the end. In fiction of all kinds it usually makes me unable to suspend my disbelief and loses all of its appeal.

Char is not a villain. If you assumed that you are the feminised one.

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#19
Anime is the only type of TV/film that takes the truly revolutionary potentials of animation seriously.

The motion picture is the most abused art-form. It has the potential to be the Gesamtkunstwerk; it has the ability to combine theater, music, and art (whether through animation or cinematography) to open up new vistas of understanding and connection for the viewer.

Most films are bad. They are generally Semitic vulgarities with no higher meaning. Even most "good" films do not let the viewer fully enjoy the experience. There is a distinct lack of breathing space that allows the viewer to take in the art, to take in the beauty of the cinematography. The characters just blather on and on, ad nauseum. Autumn Forest Seeker applies this criticism to BD2049 (https://twitter.com/_forest_seeker_/stat...RiawktiDVI). I immediately think of critically-acclaimed schlock like Goodfellas or the recent Elvis film. 

What I say about film in general applies especially to animation. One can do more with animation than any other art form. It permits the imagination to be taken to the limit.

The Japanese are the only ones who take animation seriously, as well as the one creative people that have not been thoroughly rabbinized and deracinated. Anime is beautiful to look at, to hear, and to watch. I feel immersed in it in a way that I am not with Hollywood films.
#20
(11-02-2022, 04:53 PM)Manteuffel Wrote: Anime is the only type of TV/film that takes the truly revolutionary potentials of animation seriously.

The motion picture is the most abused art-form. It has the potential to be the Gesamtkunstwerk; it has the ability to combine theater, music, and art (whether through animation or cinematography) to open up new vistas of understanding and connection for the viewer.

Most films are bad. They are generally Semitic vulgarities with no higher meaning. Even most "good" films do not let the viewer fully enjoy the experience. There is a distinct lack of breathing space that allows the viewer to take in the art, to take in the beauty of the cinematography. The characters just blather on and on, ad nauseum. Autumn Forest Seeker applies this criticism to BD2049 (https://twitter.com/_forest_seeker_/stat...RiawktiDVI). I immediately think of critically-acclaimed schlock like Goodfellas or the recent Elvis film. 

What I say about film in general applies especially to animation. One can do more with animation than any other art form. It permits the imagination to be taken to the limit.

The Japanese are the only ones who take animation seriously, as well as the one creative people that have not been thoroughly rabbinized and deracinated. Anime is beautiful to look at, to hear, and to watch. I feel immersed in it in a way that I am not with Hollywood films.

I agree generally on the wasted potential of moving pictures but actually think Western animation has a fairly strong history of getting it. Especially the older stuff.

And on the other hand a point one can generally make against Japanese use of animation is that to them it's largely a functional vehicle media, as with their manga. They do have a lot of genuinely excellent craft skills, but the animation is not the point of most anime. The works are animated because it's the most efficient way to realise a complex and fantastical vision at a nice and even level of fidelity. Cheap tacky live action garbage like star trek where you can see the seams all over probably costs more to make than a nice, even looking piece of work like Gundam where it all fits together. No rubber masks, it's all ink.

Taking the Gundam and Star Trek example further, I think this demonstrates the real strength of anime, which I kind of alluded to already above. It's the visions which anime is realising. Star Trek is the gay nigger communism vision of outer space. Gundam is the Nazi vision of outer space. And now we're back to the point of this thread. The appeal of anime I believe is more the vision of the people creating it in most cases than the craft that goes into realising this vision. Though they are in fact better than western media on both points most of the time.


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I feel like this says it all. Yes the Gundam opening is far more impressive in retrospect as a set of moving pictures set to sound, but it's also clearly superior in what it's representing. This is the world of cool SS guys in space murdering each other for freedom. Star Trek: TNG is the world of East Germany peacefully expanding indefinitely into space.


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