Arranged Marriage vs. Female Sexual Selection
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Curious as to the opinions of Amarnites on this question. Many in “our thing” contend that female sexual selection is dysgenic, and women are not suited to choosing mates. They simply never evolved the capacity for this judgment. Thus, the decision should be made for them by their father (who really should own them anyway). Others point to examples of places like India or the Arab world, where arranged marriage leads to a degenerated population as old men meddle in the natural passions of youths, marrying off their daughters for financial gain or status with no regard for genetic virtues.

The former view might retort that arranged marriage was practiced almost everywhere for nearly all of history, only having these effects in some places. Perhaps a more tasteful people makes better decisions. Also, it seems clear that the modern world is dysgenic while having seemingly the most sexual options for women ever. The latter view might respond that all peoples decay from arranged marriage, differing only in severity, and the real problem now is in the way the modern world assigns status to men. In a society that assigns it to line up more accurately with genetic virtue, female sexual selection would be eugenic.

Which view do you sympathize with, do you have further arguments one way or the other, or perhaps there is some synthesis of the two? The initiative of the young man is somewhat left out of these accounts as I've put them and could be considered as a part of either.
#2
Truly letting nature take its course would demand a world without any kind of hegemony or repression. As it stands now we have a kind of decapitating bar on nature, where low impulses are allowed to run free (niggers, trash, etc), while those with higher inclinations really ought to know better and will be autistically policed by mobs of pinch-faced, life-hating shrews and eunuchs.

I'm not opposed to the idea of nature taking its course rather than everyone being lashed to some strict social plan of eugenics or whatever, but in anything less than a hitlerian world where free-range type arenas are created that don't constrain anybody (and maybe even exclude the self-evidently garbage, by which i mean niggers and other double digit IQ havers) . I think Carlsbad tweeted that thing about the Nazi tolerance of single motherhood like it was an own, but as was suggested on original amarnaforum, are single motherhood and teen pregnancy really a disaster in a society that doesn't have niggers? Do you live in fear of 115+ IQ blondes growing extremely fecund?

As I've been saying on every subject now, the problem is nobody has a vision for the future of any kind. It's practically illegal to take life seriously in our time. Arranged marriage was a system that was built for purpose in a certain time and place. Might not be perfect for all times but I can admire the attempt. Modern Female Sexual Selection wasn't really a plan at all, it just emerged as everyone stopped caring, and in my opinion is a symptom of peoples gone feral. There are very few if any truly free or sovereign or independent women in our time, 'feral' really is the word for it. It's how they act, and it's how anybody not wearing oversocialisation blinders instinctively treats them. They're like loose cattle, just going to get scraped up to be used according to the whims of whoever sees them first and swooces in.

One last point, the militarist society in that manga/anime Owari no Seraph runs on the Hitlerian principle of encouraging youth fecundity because their society is purpose-oriented and needs happy and multiplying youth populations. If anime is on board can it be bad?
#3
and yet none of the protagonists in said society ever have sex. "A strong hand is needed."
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and yet none of the protagonists in said society ever have sex. "A strong hand is needed."
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Yeah for a minute they got my hopes up, but Japanese pop-media's great failing remains a fear to get real regarding sex.
#5
Arranged marriage. Modern women select for 'tingles' and who they can make tiktoks with rather than actual eugenic male traits. Instead of bearing children it's about moving into a studio apartment, buying a dog and watching netflix all day. People say "Chads" are smashing all the women but I don't see any of that and nobody is having kids so we're getting the worst of both worlds. 


With gender dynamics hitting rock bottom and demographic shift being obvious over the following decades and no chance of systemic reform I predict male:female relationships will become more transactional. Besides whoring I can see men paying women to be surrogate mothers they have no intention of marrying (Ronaldo comes to mind) while maintaining uncontested veto power over what goes on in their family. 

As the onlyfans matriarchy grows men need to outgrow this Disney notion of "Love" - a seed that is planted young. Modern man is set up to get fleeced by women who will demand you perform traditional male roles while offering none of the traditional female roles. Men should turn their romantic desire/energy towards other pursuits while remaining calculative about selecting for the mother of his children and warding off lust with prostitutes. 


If you're intelligent, attractive and good looking it's your absolute duty to reproduce, and to do so by any means necessary.
#6
(02-23-2022, 03:24 AM)anthony Wrote: Truly letting nature take its course would demand a world without any kind of hegemony or repression. As it stands now we have a kind of decapitating bar on nature, where low impulses are allowed to run free (niggers, trash, etc), while those with higher inclinations really ought to know better and will be autistically policed by mobs of pinch-faced, life-hating shrews and eunuchs.

I'm not opposed to the idea of nature taking its course rather than everyone being lashed to some strict social plan of eugenics or whatever, but in anything less than a hitlerian world where free-range type arenas are created that don't constrain anybody (and maybe even exclude the self-evidently garbage, by which i mean niggers and other double digit IQ havers) . I think Carlsbad tweeted that thing about the Nazi tolerance of single motherhood like it was an own, but as was suggested on original amarnaforum, are single motherhood and teen pregnancy really a disaster in a society that doesn't have niggers? Do you live in fear of 115+ IQ blondes growing extremely fecund?

As I've been saying on every subject now, the problem is nobody has a vision for the future of any kind. It's practically illegal to take life seriously in our time. Arranged marriage was a system that was built for purpose in a certain time and place. Might not be perfect for all times but I can admire the attempt. Modern Female Sexual Selection wasn't really a plan at all, it just emerged as everyone stopped caring, and in my opinion is a symptom of peoples gone feral. There are very few if any truly free or sovereign or independent women in our time, 'feral' really is the word for it. It's how they act, and it's how anybody not wearing oversocialisation blinders instinctively treats them. They're like loose cattle, just going to get scraped up to be used according to the whims of whoever sees them first and swooces in.

One last point, the militarist society in that manga/anime Owari no Seraph runs on the Hitlerian principle of encouraging youth fecundity because their society is purpose-oriented and needs happy and multiplying youth populations. If anime is on board can it be bad?
I suppose part of the question is if that’s actually letting nature take its course after all. If throughout human evolution mates have consistently been picked by men, then this is the natural state of affairs, and women choosing is the aberration. You say there are no sovereign women in our time, but I wonder if there ever were or could be— at least enough to base an institution on.

Jim from jimsblog has a line about how women are attracted to male gorillas, but men aren’t attracted to female gorillas, and this is because men have controlled sexual selection since humans looked roughly like gorillas. This seems to me to be clearly wrong . . . but I don’t really know. Anyway, this makes it basically an empirical question about history. But to me, answering the question of what women are *really* attracted to seems doomed to fail, as the process is highly irrational. Is there some latent eugenic feminine wisdom that evades a ruler, or that can remain pure when a ruler is corrupted?

With every “policy” question of this type one can ask what would be best in our current situation, or what would be best in one’s ideal society where one has total control over other factors (and doesn't need to worry about corruption of one's vision). If other factors are in place, almost any individual policy can turn out well or at least fine. In a high IQ, close to entirely white state very little is a “disaster”, but I would still say single motherhood is not ideal and should be minimized--at least as a rule with exceptions (teenage pregnancy probably is ideal). For the former question the answer as usual is something like: "wait for and help foment the end of the regime because basically nothing is possible within it, and in the meantime try to minimize its effect on you." @FruitVendor your post addresses this and I generally agree with your prescriptions. This I would say is a "Noah's Ark" plan to preserve genetic material.

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#8
IMO neither arranged marriage nor female selection is inherently eugenic, it really depends on the context were talking about and the values of the society which attractiveness is based off of. Both are also suspect to corruption of choice through wealth, so you can't soley blame arranged marriage for that. The real goal should be the consious incubating of society with eugenic values which form the idea of basis of the "ideal male" and "ideal female".
#9
This is an extension of previous discussions regarding the longhouse on Amarna 1.0. I can think of longhouse cultures that practice arranged marriage, but I can't think of any masculine cultures that practice free marriage.

Someone ought to make a dedicated longhouse thread. Maybe I will.
#10
Bride-napping is intuitively the least longhouse arrangement, and in practice usually involves seduction before the abduction. The main problem with it politically is that it could lead to chaos and conflict (not necessarily a bad thing in all cases and forms).
https://elysiumgates.com/~helena/Marriage.html
Here is a depiction of marriage customs in Sparta and Athens. Athens has classic arranged marriage, while Sparta appears to be something closer to free marriage with a veneer of bride-napping (really all marriage ceremonies have a vestige of this) and some paternal authority.
You might prefer one or the other, or think one is bad for some reason or other, but I don't think either is longhouse. The Spartan regime, which may be accused of this, still strives for excellence in it's young men.
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(02-23-2022, 03:24 AM)anthony Wrote: Truly letting nature take its course would demand a world without any kind of hegemony or repression. As it stands now we have a kind of decapitating bar on nature, where low impulses are allowed to run free (niggers, trash, etc), while those with higher inclinations really ought to know better and will be autistically policed by mobs of pinch-faced, life-hating shrews and eunuchs.

I'm not opposed to the idea of nature taking its course rather than everyone being lashed to some strict social plan of eugenics or whatever, but in anything less than a hitlerian world where free-range type arenas are created that don't constrain anybody (and maybe even exclude the self-evidently garbage, by which i mean niggers and other double digit IQ havers) . I think Carlsbad tweeted that thing about the Nazi tolerance of single motherhood like it was an own, but as was suggested on original amarnaforum, are single motherhood and teen pregnancy really a disaster in a society that doesn't have niggers? Do you live in fear of 115+ IQ blondes growing extremely fecund?

As I've been saying on every subject now, the problem is nobody has a vision for the future of any kind. It's practically illegal to take life seriously in our time. Arranged marriage was a system that was built for purpose in a certain time and place. Might not be perfect for all times but I can admire the attempt. Modern Female Sexual Selection wasn't really a plan at all, it just emerged as everyone stopped caring, and in my opinion is a symptom of peoples gone feral. There are very few if any truly free or sovereign or independent women in our time, 'feral' really is the word for it. It's how they act, and it's how anybody not wearing oversocialisation blinders instinctively treats them. They're like loose cattle, just going to get scraped up to be used according to the whims of whoever sees them first and swooces in.

One last point, the militarist society in that manga/anime Owari no Seraph runs on the Hitlerian principle of encouraging youth fecundity because their society is purpose-oriented and needs happy and multiplying youth populations. If anime is on board can it be bad?
Started watching Seraph of the end because of this post, when does it "get good"? I'll probably either start watching the original Gundam afterwards or pick up legend of the galactic heroes again.

One thing I've been thinking about is that the inability—or possibly, the lack of will—of zoomers to have relationships means that some sort of social institution for match making will increasingly become necessary in order to keep the population numbers up. You are already seeing certain east Asian countries (particularly in South Korea and AFAIK) develop government matchmaking services in order to get university aged students to get together. This gives unprecedented opportunity in modern history to completely reorient which parts of the population have children and what values govern breeding and male-female relationships in general. What are your thoughts? I assume some of you will have pretensions against social engineering but at this point I think it's basically a necessity, and social engineering has always been the solution to societal decay IMO.
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(02-28-2022, 03:52 PM)Sharmat Wrote: Started watching Seraph of the end because of this post, when does it "get good"? I'll probably either start watching the original Gundam afterwards or pick up legend of the galactic heroes again.

One thing I've been thinking about is that the inability—or possibly, the lack of will—of zoomers to have relationships means that some sort of social institution for match making will increasingly become necessary in order to keep the population numbers up. You are already seeing certain east Asian countries (particularly in South Korea and AFAIK) develop government matchmaking services in order to get university aged students to get together. This gives unprecedented opportunity in modern history to completely reorient which parts of the population have children and what values govern breeding and male-female relationships in general. What are your thoughts? I assume some of you will have pretensions against social engineering but at this point I think it's basically a necessity, and social engineering has always been the solution to societal decay IMO.
I read Seraph. I'd say you either get it or you don't.  Do you get it?

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And as for the social engineering question, I think that abandoning all efforts at social engineering should be considered a betrayal of youth. Nobody is ever really free, so all that this amounts to is giving up on trying.
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(02-28-2022, 10:06 PM)Heil Wrote: I will start a thread later about how to make a more youth-oriented society, this is something I think we all agree is important and the only way to escape the longhouse, but not many concrete ideas on how to do it other than some suggestions like sphag's idea of the parallel society/lord of flies situation. 

Also personally I watched and then read seraph and I can't say I'm really a fan, the purple hair girl with the scythe is cute though and made it worth it.

I wouldn't consider Seraph essential youth-core. For that I'd recommend going for golden age shoujo stuff. 'Song of the Wind and Trees', 'Toward Terra', 'Heart of Thomas', etc. Military stuff is good for this too of course though, AoT, Gundam, etc.

Something that I don't think Japan gets enough credit for is meaningfully working youth into their stories. If western popular media is about youth, this is used as an excuse to say nothing. Youth stories are accepted as trite. We expect less humanity from them. But Japan does it the other way, their stories follow youth because that's where you find the most life.

The protagonists of Gundam and AoT being young matters. Their youthful vigour and idealism is taken seriously within their stories. While in Harry Potter and The Hunger Games they're just hollow self-inserts, and within their worlds they're just retards trailing along behind the empty ideals of old people.

George Lucas's plan for an additional Star Wars trilogy was going to have young protagonists. The one Disney produced for the masses was about vaguely 'young' people who are all hollow vessels capable of nothing but faithful service to the meme-ideals of a bunch of decrepit boomers.

I'm seriously starting to just hate oldness. This should be taken as another one of anime's innately appealing elements. It's all beautiful. But more than that it's beautiful and young and often full of a sincere intensity that we'll never see coming out of anywhere else.

I'll save the rest for this thread you say you're making, but this is something we should all think about. When did our societies/cultures decide that youth is nothing but hot air to be contained and burned until it's out?
#14
(02-28-2022, 07:16 PM)anthony Wrote:
(02-28-2022, 03:52 PM)Sharmat Wrote: Started watching Seraph of the end because of this post, when does it "get good"? I'll probably either start watching the original Gundam afterwards or pick up legend of the galactic heroes again.

One thing I've been thinking about is that the inability—or possibly, the lack of will—of zoomers to have relationships means that some sort of social institution for match making will increasingly become necessary in order to keep the population numbers up. You are already seeing certain east Asian countries (particularly in South Korea and AFAIK) develop government matchmaking services in order to get university aged students to get together. This gives unprecedented opportunity in modern history to completely reorient which parts of the population have children and what values govern breeding and male-female relationships in general. What are your thoughts? I assume some of you will have pretensions against social engineering but at this point I think it's basically a necessity, and social engineering has always been the solution to societal decay IMO.
I read Seraph. I'd say you either get it or you don't.  Do you get it?

[Image: https://i.ibb.co/hHkbXFC/wah.png]

And as for the social engineering question, I think that abandoning all efforts at social engineering should be considered a betrayal of youth. Nobody is ever really free, so all that this amounts to is giving up on trying.
There are *hints* of this "Hitlerian worldview" you've been talking about in the show– dedication to fertility, struggle for survival, etc– but so far  this seems to take a backseat to what is so far a very typical shounen story. For your information, I'm at the part where Guren unleashes the demon in his sword to test who in the class  is able to withhold his influence or not.
#15
(03-01-2022, 04:19 AM)Sharmat Wrote:
(02-28-2022, 07:16 PM)anthony Wrote:
(02-28-2022, 03:52 PM)Sharmat Wrote: Started watching Seraph of the end because of this post, when does it "get good"? I'll probably either start watching the original Gundam afterwards or pick up legend of the galactic heroes again.

One thing I've been thinking about is that the inability—or possibly, the lack of will—of zoomers to have relationships means that some sort of social institution for match making will increasingly become necessary in order to keep the population numbers up. You are already seeing certain east Asian countries (particularly in South Korea and AFAIK) develop government matchmaking services in order to get university aged students to get together. This gives unprecedented opportunity in modern history to completely reorient which parts of the population have children and what values govern breeding and male-female relationships in general. What are your thoughts? I assume some of you will have pretensions against social engineering but at this point I think it's basically a necessity, and social engineering has always been the solution to societal decay IMO.
I read Seraph. I'd say you either get it or you don't.  Do you get it?

[Image: https://i.ibb.co/hHkbXFC/wah.png]

And as for the social engineering question, I think that abandoning all efforts at social engineering should be considered a betrayal of youth. Nobody is ever really free, so all that this amounts to is giving up on trying.
There are *hints* of this "Hitlerian worldview" you've been talking about in the show– dedication to fertility, struggle for survival, etc– but so far  this seems to take a backseat to what is so far a very typical shounen story. For your information, I'm at the part where Guren unleashes the demon in his sword to test who in the class  is able to withhold his influence or not.

The show isn't a prime example, but it demonstrates the point. This stuff is so thoroughly present in Japanese popular culture that you can see its DNA in everything.


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