Based “Schizoposters” “Schizo” “Schizzed out”

[girafj]

In that, I consider "schizoposting" to be an evolution of "weaponized autism" (in terms of online self-image/esteem). "Autistic" now colloquially implies "caring too much" or as an abstracted version of general retardation vs "schizo" which is "uncontrolled" and therefore aspirational. "Autistic" becomes the self-deprecatory put down, "schizo" becomes the aspirational pick-up.

Additionally, it's also a subconscious attempted return to "edgelord" culture. This is the closest I've seen to people being able to freely make Columbine jokes since Newgrounds in 2005. I support it on those grounds, but just like all other "edgelordism" the teeth of "wholesome" inertion have sunken in attempt to subsume it into chungus.

Nowadays, popular 'schizos' on social media platforms vary greatly in actual ideas, but I believe the most prevalent thing they have in common with the 2010s internet 'autists' is that they aren't actually afflicted with schizophrenia or autism. They retain a base idea of what both are, but they water it down into a performative act. It manifests itself as spamming, or as justification for the occasional 'wacky' tweet (such as jokingly mentioning their CIA agent). Barely any of it actually holds water, and I believe it will only go downhill from here.

[anthony]

All of you people saying "they didn't have actual autism" apparently haven't visited a psych in the 21st century. It's probably the easiest diagnosis in the world to secure. If you have used 4chan and enjoyed it you can be diagnosed. In turning 'autism' into a generalised term for intelligent misfit young men the internet was just following the lead of practiced psychiatry.

[Leverkühn]

All of you people saying "they didn't have actual autism" apparently haven't visited a psych in the 21st century. It's probably the easiest diagnosis in the world to secure. If you have used 4chan and enjoyed it you can be diagnosed. In turning 'autism' into a generalised term for intelligent misfit young men the internet was just following the lead of practiced psychiatry.

A fair criticism - I have never been to a psychiatric institute or a medical health professional in my life, largely because I think they're quacks operating in what is probably a mostly bogus field.

[Chud]

All of you people saying "they didn't have actual autism" apparently haven't visited a psych in the 21st century. It's probably the easiest diagnosis in the world to secure. If you have used 4chan and enjoyed it you can be diagnosed. In turning 'autism' into a generalised term for intelligent misfit young men the internet was just following the lead of practiced psychiatry.

Autism is a metabolic disorder that affects every cell in the body. Diagnosed autists have measurable imbalances of trace minerals and amino acids, and the condition is often comorbid with a host of physical abnormalities, from IBS to Moebius syndrome to certain kinds of muscular dystrophy.

[anthony]

All of you people saying "they didn't have actual autism" apparently haven't visited a psych in the 21st century. It's probably the easiest diagnosis in the world to secure. If you have used 4chan and enjoyed it you can be diagnosed. In turning 'autism' into a generalised term for intelligent misfit young men the internet was just following the lead of practiced psychiatry.

Autism is a metabolic disorder that affects every cell in the body. Diagnosed autists have measurable imbalances of trace minerals and amino acids, and the condition is often comorbid with a host of physical abnormalities, from IBS to Moebius syndrome to certain kinds of muscular dystrophy.

This goes back to a point Szasz made, that if we can trace the dysfunction in the body it becomes a medical problem, not a psychological one. You shouldn't be saying "Autism is actually this thing and all other cases are wrong", you should be saying that this particular thing is being folded into the 'autism' monolith. If autism IS this particular thing you describe how come I've never heard of a psych running a test on someone's trace minerals and amino acids? You have no good reason to WANT this particular problem to be called autism. Give that up and you'll have a much better time making this case.

[Trep]

All of you people saying "they didn't have actual autism" apparently haven't visited a psych in the 21st century. It's probably the easiest diagnosis in the world to secure. If you have used 4chan and enjoyed it you can be diagnosed. In turning 'autism' into a generalised term for intelligent misfit young men the internet was just following the lead of practiced psychiatry.

Autism is a metabolic disorder that affects every cell in the body. Diagnosed autists have measurable imbalances of trace minerals and amino acids, and the condition is often comorbid with a host of physical abnormalities, from IBS to Moebius syndrome to certain kinds of muscular dystrophy.

These are not used to diagnose it. If you look it up it says there are no physical tests that can be done. Pretty much all psychiatric diagnoses are made using survey forms where you bubble in various rating scales about how you've been feeling or how you would feel in a certain situations. They are pretty vague and clearly made to maximize diagnoses and prescriptions (If you've come in feeling sad, you WILL be diagnosed with depression, if you struggle socially you will be "on the spectrum"). I am 100% certain I could go get diagnosed with being on the autism "spectrum" or ADHD right now, and probably more.

[PIGSAW]

All of you people saying "they didn't have actual autism" apparently haven't visited a psych in the 21st century. It's probably the easiest diagnosis in the world to secure. If you have used 4chan and enjoyed it you can be diagnosed. In turning 'autism' into a generalised term for intelligent misfit young men the internet was just following the lead of practiced psychiatry.

With regard to my own post, I wasn't exactly trying to say that people on 4chan "weren't autistic" as much as it was a self-medicalizing development (thinking about it now, it would probably be worth constructing some kind of timeline for when Tumblr's self-medicalizing culture leaked out into the rest of the internet and if 4chan was before, after, or during that) of 2010's culture.
Since 4chan originated as a Japanese culture website, it was obviously autistic as it was for cats. Post-Chanology there were less autistics (less cats) although observing the Incelbund on Twitter has made me reconsider this slightly, but I still think post-Chanology 4chan is infected by dog normalfaggots who argue that 4chan "isn't an anime website" (they're correct now, but only because they changed it) and these people should not really qualify as any kind of outsider (medical or otherwise) as anti-anime is the most pro-system shit you could possibly believe in.

These are not used to diagnose it. If you look it up it says there are no physical tests that can be done. Pretty much all psychiatric diagnoses are made using survey forms where you bubble in various rating scales about how you've been feeling or how you would feel in a certain situations. They are pretty vague and clearly made to maximize diagnoses and prescriptions (If you've come in feeling sad, you WILL be diagnosed with depression, if you struggle socially you will be "on the spectrum"). I am 100% certain I could go get diagnosed with being on the autism "spectrum" or ADHD right now, and probably more.

In my chart of: self-degrading autism > weaponized autism > schizoposting - I could add another rung at the start, which would be the ADHD "phenomenon" in the '90s (at least in America, I can't speak for anyone else).
When I was a child because I "struggled in school" (i.e., I could correct the teachers and displayed reading comprehension at a "gifted" level, but refused to do kike woman paperwork training like homework and tests) which meant I clearly had "learning disabilities" and needed to be prescribed government issued speed that made me want to kill myself sometime around 9 years old.
So as a former pharmaceutical test subject I can vouch for this explicitly, I don't believe I have "ADHD" because the symptoms for ADHD was being a boy that acted like a boy. Girls were never on ADHD meds, only boys, because boys "couldn't pay attention in school" so all you had to do to be "diagnosed" with ADHD and require "treatment" was to be even remotely normal (I was even especially quiet and compliant with things, and this still wasn't unmasculine enough for the longhouse).

[anthony]

With regard to my own post, I wasn't exactly trying to say that people on 4chan "weren't autistic" as much as it was a self-medicalizing development (thinking about it now, it would probably be worth constructing some kind of timeline for when Tumblr's self-medicalizing culture leaked out into the rest of the internet and if 4chan was before, after, or during that) of 2010's culture.

Of course. I see where you're going. It's definitely strange that 4chan and the rest of the planet internalised this medicalised frame for self-perception so quickly. 'Meds' meme aside most people still believe it and think in it.

And sorry to hear they got you with the pills in school. Hell of a deal.

[Guest]

Absolutely correct that "schizo" aesthetics have been romanticised. You see it in those vaguely religious troll face comics. Often about Babylon and the likes. Logo does this.he did it recently where he was posting in all caps feigning a manic state

[Frenjamin]

Schizophrenics don’t exist today it’s all just hobo freaks or they are asocial teens who can’t bring themselves to racism.

[capgras]

Conclusions: These findings provide evidence for the existence of a high-IQ variant of schizophrenia that is associated with markedly fewer negative symptoms than typical schizophrenia, and lends support to the idea of a psychosis spectrum or continuum over boundaried diagnostic categories.

A spectrum. This is proposing an ass-covering move like when the 'autism' diagnosis became untenable. There are no schizophrenia genes. There is nothing we can test for in the brain to find conclusive 'schizophrenia'. It's a description of a state of mind and behaviours, and obviously not a helpful one since America has worse outcomes than the third world.

Wouldn't the "high IQ variant" be a similar mental disposition present in someone with a psyche strong enough to prevent or attenuate the onset of psychosis, in the same way a common cold could kill someone with AIDS but not someone with a healthy immune system? It's not hard to imagine a chemist would have an easier time interrogating and dismissing repeated suspicions that there's a camera in his fridge than a janitor. Of course, I wouldn't call this a psychosis spectrum because there's no or little belief in the delusional thoughts. A term like neurosis or neurodivergence would be more appropriate. I understand the idea of an autism spectrum the same way, ignoring larger concerns with the current state of clinical psychology. 

I'm also interested in why you say schizophrenia isn't hereditable. My understanding was that a hereditary risk factor is well-established, but I've never investigated it deeply.

[anthony]

Conclusions: These findings provide evidence for the existence of a high-IQ variant of schizophrenia that is associated with markedly fewer negative symptoms than typical schizophrenia, and lends support to the idea of a psychosis spectrum or continuum over boundaried diagnostic categories.

A spectrum. This is proposing an ass-covering move like when the 'autism' diagnosis became untenable. There are no schizophrenia genes. There is nothing we can test for in the brain to find conclusive 'schizophrenia'. It's a description of a state of mind and behaviours, and obviously not a helpful one since America has worse outcomes than the third world.

Wouldn't the "high IQ variant" be a similar mental disposition present in someone with a psyche strong enough to prevent or attenuate the onset of psychosis, in the same way a common cold could kill someone with AIDS but not someone with a healthy immune system? It's not hard to imagine a chemist would have an easier time interrogating and dismissing repeated suspicions that there's a camera in his fridge than a janitor. Of course, I wouldn't call this a psychosis spectrum because there's no or little belief in the delusional thoughts. A term like neurosis or neurodivergence would be more appropriate. I understand the idea of an autism spectrum the same way, ignoring larger concerns with the current state of clinical psychology. 

I'm also interested in why you say schizophrenia isn't hereditable. My understanding was that a hereditary risk factor is well-established, but I've never investigated it deeply.

The trouble is that "risk factor" isn't any discrete thing we can quantify. We just see it happen again.

[Guest]

"Schizoposting" seems to mostly be an affection or element of the emergent right-wing norwoodism. I see it portrayed by self labelled Christians, or pseudo-Christians, who think their hobby horse BASED elements of society should reduce themselves to a fellah people in the woods. Computers are demons and we should go live in a longhouse in the woods, but with guns! They are usually civic nationalists, if not "my daughter should marry a Christian negro before an atheist white", who make cynical appeals to outdated /pol/ idioms or associated personalities like Sam Hyde. In the system of digesting jokes they're one step before an idea has reached the normgroid consciousness then twisted by the remaining irony leftist accounts of twitter. They're downstream from 8chan /x/, /pol/, and /fringe/ as preserved in the memories of Logo_Daedalus. There is a sort of debased element of the old 2015-2018 Trad Christian circles to them too but are rarely actual Catholics. They are Logo's intellectual sons who were too white to become Third World Marxist-Leninist so swerved towards earlier fascinations with figures such as Ted Kaczynski. Compare them to older Q anon followers who classify themselves as "Christ believers", but those who attempt to portray themselves as genuine "Schizoposters" are far less interesting because, as this thread has already remarked, everything about them is an affected eccentricity. The Q followers legitimately believe in their mythology. The "Schizoposter" rejects what few Faustian elements that remain in the modern public because anything with a grander historical objective is bad juju that is controlling them. It is no surprise their cultural tastes are often so Afrcanized with a hatred of space.

The ultimate political ideal of the "Schizoposter" is that purposefully poorly drawn "I got your back brother!" image of the white redneck and black nationalist fist bumping that says "THE ONLY THING THE ESTABLISHMENT TRULY FEARS!". Black worship is still part of the schizoposter's creed. They're crazy but still cool! They enjoy posturing they're a threat to the modern order, but they're essentially coddled by that system be it ZOG or another term. The use of the terms "FEDS" or "GLOWIES" by these groups is essentially the same as claiming everything is "DEMONIC". As, again, the use of GLOWIE is a normgroidized version of Terry Davis' "Glow in the dark CIA nigger". If they ceded any of that belief there would be no reason to reject any profane ideas like racism. I would consider that use of psychiatric language to show how encased in the system, the one they claim to be apart from, they actually are.



The youtuber Wendigoon represents the coming high water of this right-wing noorwoodism on the internet. I'm surprised this figure is so underdiscussed on Amarna since there are many zoomers here. A popular, white heterosexual youtuber who likes guns and literature? Implicitly right-wing to the wider internet because he does not openly endorse transgenderism. He made his following off the "Iceburg Chart" trend and has since shifted into more horror, conspiracy, and other content. The earliest iceburgs I remember were on 8chan's /v/ board, but I'm sure they have roots on 4chan /x/. Wendigoon then is ultimately influenced by 8chan and 4chan. That is until you realize Wendigoon is the embodiment of modern 4troon "edgy but safe" culture who exists to sanitize these beliefs with disclaimers: "Did you know the fricking FBI killed the honorable Dr. Martin Luther King?" Wendigoon's presentation style is the perfect, safe response to the breadtube style that dominated youtube since post 2016. Its avoids anything dangerous or confrontational that was purged after 2016. These videos are the Ancient Aliens of youtube. A product that proclaims itself transgressive but refuses to attack any of the sacred principles that hold up the superstructure it wants to run into the woods to escape. Could Wendigoon have a deeper plan? Possibly, but he would still face the problem PewDiePie did when he made the briefest reference to surface level dangerous ideas.

[Guest]

The biggest rhetorical failing of conspiracy culture has been the "here is how" impulse. Boosted by the urge to play a wacky kooky character, you pretend you know what happened. The strongest position to present to normies is just the inconsistency of the alleged facts. Even after that, the most productive theorizing is done by assessing the variety of ways to bring the story back into plausibility with minimal self-contained reconsiderations.

Could Wendigoon have a deeper plan? Possibly, but he would still face the problem PewDiePie did when he made the briefest reference to surface level dangerous ideas.

Kind of raises the question of how one could circumvent that issue in media. Are there sentiments and facts that can slip past the filter? If something is far enough upstream of proper thought, earnest instinct and taboo reality will it go unnoticed?

[Svevlad]

You can't. You have to go around and usurp the media first.

[Selim]

A case study in the "based schizo" archetype:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDosGwvfzuc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mHnGynHSvc

The core attitude of the "religious based schizo" is this kind of affected peasant suspicion of anything beyond the inherited and ubiquitous pattern of life. Anything that seems too "sci-fi" is just assumed to be impossible and therefore some kind of scam by Satan, which is the unique angle from which the religious based schizo is obsessed with the World Economic Forum. It would seem that one of their unconscious ideological influences is actually The Matrix; they want to have this abstruse and parochial knowledge of "true authenticity" over against the mirage/illusion created by technology which inexplicably takes hold of everyone else.

[ourokouros]

A case study in the "based schizo" archetype:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDosGwvfzuc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mHnGynHSvc

The core attitude of the "religious based schizo" is this kind of affected peasant suspicion of anything beyond the inherited and ubiquitous pattern of life. Anything that seems too "sci-fi" is just assumed to be impossible and therefore some kind of scam by Satan, which is the unique angle from which the religious based schizo is obsessed with the World Economic Forum. It would seem that one of their unconscious ideological influences is actually The Matrix; they want to have this abstruse and parochial knowledge of "true authenticity" over against the mirage/illusion created by technology which inexplicably takes hold of everyone else.

If I'm not mistaken, that Cereal Guy Memes person who really brought the trollface schizoposter type of thing into popular consciousness isn't even Christian, he's a Sabbatean Frankist. 
Don't quote me on that, I don't remember where exactly I found that info, so I can't stand by that claim with full certainty. 

As for the part about technology, I beg to differ: these types seem to me to be simply suffering from Messianic delusions. The only reason why they rail against technology so much is because of prior knowledge of the Unabomber, largely considered to be based in these circles. Their luddite messages are merely performative, otherwise they wouldn't be on the internet nearly as much as they are.
However, as far as "abtruse and parochial knowledge" goes, I noticed they have many of the same affectations that 4chan vagueposter attention whores have

[Recent Friend]

I see so much of the vagueposter behavior on /x/ and it's gratingly annoying. 95% of the time there's clearly a non-vague way of expressing what they mean. The worst offender are "nobody" threads, which seem to be about coping with solipsism.

[Wared House]

I see so much of the vagueposter behavior on /x/ and it's gratingly annoying. 95% of the time there's clearly a non-vague way of expressing what they mean. The worst offender are "nobody" threads, which seem to be about coping with solipsism.

A keen-eyed individual may liken /x/ to be of a similar character and utility as a walled-up liberal woman yoga studio, where she tells you about fixing your chakras and opening your ass, and she places little plastic beads all over you, but one of them falls from your forehead and into your mouth, and you swallow it accidentally, but she does not notice it because she is too caught up in her own ass talking nonsense and trying to fool you with spiritual chatty-talk to make you stay longer at the yoga studio building premises. /x/ forum is similar. No basis to be found in any real philosophy or occult path or even religion (save the christian and hindu threads). Just fake people peddling fake stories and made-up Frankenstein beliefs to keep you entertained or angry and bumping their thread so they can jerk off to the reply count you netted them at the end of the day.

The decline of posting quality may be due to the recent influx of the more southern and impoverished peoples of the world, whose posts are inauthentic* because they post simply to post and show their achievement to their similarly swarthy friends who do have a computer, or maybe of the young adolescent crowd finding their way onto places they don't fully understand yet and thinking they're still on their instagram and facebooks and comedy club trash dumps of the internet. And of course, there is also the campaigns of the Semites, who post nonsense threads and tell you right is wrong and black is white and twist you topsy-turvy so you don't understand what is real and what is fake anymore.

At the present moment, and perhaps much to the cheers of the Semitic psyop campaign manager who listens to my keyboard noises from inside my microwave oven, I am unfortunately of the mind to consider /x/ as no more than a bucket of "Flaturin" slop from the recent Art Nouveau film "Idiocracy". Anything of interest has already been crushed beneath the bait and slide thread and the demonic sensual experience thread, where downtrodden men ask for favours from reptilian women. It brings much enjoyment when it is dark outside and I want read stories, like the one where the anonymous poster had a decade long dream about fighting zombies of the melanated kind, but past dream threads I have found little of value that brings enjoyment or personal applications.

[Datacop]

I understand and agree with whats been said here, but I still wonder why particularly schizophrenia has become the hep mental illness for men, and, as a result of men liking it, women. I was falsely diagnosed with schizophrenia as a teenager and they had me attend group therapy with actual schizophrenics; all other young people, so I assume mostly hebephrenics with a small mix of catatonics. They are the most boring people you will ever meet, medicated or otherwise. They're all usually low IQ, not just midwit tier but genuine retardation cases, and their disorganization of thought just means they can't form any coherent idea, let alone vocalize it. Far from being holders of esoteric knowledge, real schizophrenics are some of the dullest, stupidest, most deserving of culling people in the world.