Based “Schizoposters” “Schizo” “Schizzed out”

[Leverkühn]

Wydnaverse, Alex Jones, jinx, "CIA MKULTRA'd that spree shooter", "computers are demons", iceberg memes, etc, should not be called "schizo" and should be in some other bin.

"Schizo" is Terry Davis, Francis E Dec, the phantasmgamoriasationaloctolasionsationalsupraparamitperimeteridiachronologicaliKalādarśanamahasukhatantravatadhanikaāṃglānuvāda poster... it feels like something intense is pouring out of them and cannot be contained, like what anthony said above- "overtaken by passion"

I see your point, but guys like Terry Davis are actually schizo. I think what we're talking about here is this group of people who think of themselves as "schizoposters" connecting all the dots and forming some kind of elaborate conspiracy system that they usually fail to articulate in any coherent way. I think @PIGSAW makes a nice parallel between these types of people and the 'autistic' posters that were popular a few years back, who similarly didn't actually have autism, there was just some kind of identification with abnormality and making it "based." 

Nobody who actually has controversial ideas needs to call themselves 'schizo'; it's a cutesy affectation.

I'd say this very same thing applied to the 'autistic' posters. The difference I'd want to draw between the two, is that "autism posters" are best thought of people who dug incredibly deep into a single subject, and mastered all there is to know about it. Eg an 'autism poster' is some guy who has read every book there is to read about katana crafting and could make a 100 tweet thread on how the method changes over time. I think this type of poster is more respectable because despite the fact they're so laser-focused on a single subject, they at least have something substantive to say about it. "Schizoposters" in contrast read incredibly widely, hence why they always pretend to know everything there is to know: 'it's all connected man, the united fruit company and the tankers and the NATO-4th Reich and the Anglo Theosophical Societies and the East India Company' and so on, you get the point. But stop this person from their big-systems babble for a second and actually pin them down on any single subject, they usually don't know shit. These types are much more disgusting and facetious in my view, but the "schizoposting" does proabably come out as some kind of counter to the "autistic poster."

[girafj]

In that, I consider "schizoposting" to be an evolution of "weaponized autism" (in terms of online self-image/esteem). "Autistic" now colloquially implies "caring too much" or as an abstracted version of general retardation vs "schizo" which is "uncontrolled" and therefore aspirational. "Autistic" becomes the self-deprecatory put down, "schizo" becomes the aspirational pick-up.

Additionally, it's also a subconscious attempted return to "edgelord" culture. This is the closest I've seen to people being able to freely make Columbine jokes since Newgrounds in 2005. I support it on those grounds, but just like all other "edgelordism" the teeth of "wholesome" inertion have sunken in attempt to subsume it into chungus.

Nowadays, popular 'schizos' on social media platforms vary greatly in actual ideas, but I believe the most prevalent thing they have in common with the 2010s internet 'autists' is that they aren't actually afflicted with schizophrenia or autism. They retain a base idea of what both are, but they water it down into a performative act. It manifests itself as spamming, or as justification for the occasional 'wacky' tweet (such as jokingly mentioning their CIA agent). Barely any of it actually holds water, and I believe it will only go downhill from here.

[anthony]

All of you people saying "they didn't have actual autism" apparently haven't visited a psych in the 21st century. It's probably the easiest diagnosis in the world to secure. If you have used 4chan and enjoyed it you can be diagnosed. In turning 'autism' into a generalised term for intelligent misfit young men the internet was just following the lead of practiced psychiatry.

[Leverkühn]

All of you people saying "they didn't have actual autism" apparently haven't visited a psych in the 21st century. It's probably the easiest diagnosis in the world to secure. If you have used 4chan and enjoyed it you can be diagnosed. In turning 'autism' into a generalised term for intelligent misfit young men the internet was just following the lead of practiced psychiatry.

A fair criticism - I have never been to a psychiatric institute or a medical health professional in my life, largely because I think they're quacks operating in what is probably a mostly bogus field.

[Chud]

All of you people saying "they didn't have actual autism" apparently haven't visited a psych in the 21st century. It's probably the easiest diagnosis in the world to secure. If you have used 4chan and enjoyed it you can be diagnosed. In turning 'autism' into a generalised term for intelligent misfit young men the internet was just following the lead of practiced psychiatry.

Autism is a metabolic disorder that affects every cell in the body. Diagnosed autists have measurable imbalances of trace minerals and amino acids, and the condition is often comorbid with a host of physical abnormalities, from IBS to Moebius syndrome to certain kinds of muscular dystrophy.

[anthony]

All of you people saying "they didn't have actual autism" apparently haven't visited a psych in the 21st century. It's probably the easiest diagnosis in the world to secure. If you have used 4chan and enjoyed it you can be diagnosed. In turning 'autism' into a generalised term for intelligent misfit young men the internet was just following the lead of practiced psychiatry.

Autism is a metabolic disorder that affects every cell in the body. Diagnosed autists have measurable imbalances of trace minerals and amino acids, and the condition is often comorbid with a host of physical abnormalities, from IBS to Moebius syndrome to certain kinds of muscular dystrophy.

This goes back to a point Szasz made, that if we can trace the dysfunction in the body it becomes a medical problem, not a psychological one. You shouldn't be saying "Autism is actually this thing and all other cases are wrong", you should be saying that this particular thing is being folded into the 'autism' monolith. If autism IS this particular thing you describe how come I've never heard of a psych running a test on someone's trace minerals and amino acids? You have no good reason to WANT this particular problem to be called autism. Give that up and you'll have a much better time making this case.

[Trep]

All of you people saying "they didn't have actual autism" apparently haven't visited a psych in the 21st century. It's probably the easiest diagnosis in the world to secure. If you have used 4chan and enjoyed it you can be diagnosed. In turning 'autism' into a generalised term for intelligent misfit young men the internet was just following the lead of practiced psychiatry.

Autism is a metabolic disorder that affects every cell in the body. Diagnosed autists have measurable imbalances of trace minerals and amino acids, and the condition is often comorbid with a host of physical abnormalities, from IBS to Moebius syndrome to certain kinds of muscular dystrophy.

These are not used to diagnose it. If you look it up it says there are no physical tests that can be done. Pretty much all psychiatric diagnoses are made using survey forms where you bubble in various rating scales about how you've been feeling or how you would feel in a certain situations. They are pretty vague and clearly made to maximize diagnoses and prescriptions (If you've come in feeling sad, you WILL be diagnosed with depression, if you struggle socially you will be "on the spectrum"). I am 100% certain I could go get diagnosed with being on the autism "spectrum" or ADHD right now, and probably more.

[PIGSAW]

All of you people saying "they didn't have actual autism" apparently haven't visited a psych in the 21st century. It's probably the easiest diagnosis in the world to secure. If you have used 4chan and enjoyed it you can be diagnosed. In turning 'autism' into a generalised term for intelligent misfit young men the internet was just following the lead of practiced psychiatry.

With regard to my own post, I wasn't exactly trying to say that people on 4chan "weren't autistic" as much as it was a self-medicalizing development (thinking about it now, it would probably be worth constructing some kind of timeline for when Tumblr's self-medicalizing culture leaked out into the rest of the internet and if 4chan was before, after, or during that) of 2010's culture.
Since 4chan originated as a Japanese culture website, it was obviously autistic as it was for cats. Post-Chanology there were less autistics (less cats) although observing the Incelbund on Twitter has made me reconsider this slightly, but I still think post-Chanology 4chan is infected by dog normalfaggots who argue that 4chan "isn't an anime website" (they're correct now, but only because they changed it) and these people should not really qualify as any kind of outsider (medical or otherwise) as anti-anime is the most pro-system shit you could possibly believe in.

These are not used to diagnose it. If you look it up it says there are no physical tests that can be done. Pretty much all psychiatric diagnoses are made using survey forms where you bubble in various rating scales about how you've been feeling or how you would feel in a certain situations. They are pretty vague and clearly made to maximize diagnoses and prescriptions (If you've come in feeling sad, you WILL be diagnosed with depression, if you struggle socially you will be "on the spectrum"). I am 100% certain I could go get diagnosed with being on the autism "spectrum" or ADHD right now, and probably more.

In my chart of: self-degrading autism > weaponized autism > schizoposting - I could add another rung at the start, which would be the ADHD "phenomenon" in the '90s (at least in America, I can't speak for anyone else).
When I was a child because I "struggled in school" (i.e., I could correct the teachers and displayed reading comprehension at a "gifted" level, but refused to do kike woman paperwork training like homework and tests) which meant I clearly had "learning disabilities" and needed to be prescribed government issued speed that made me want to kill myself sometime around 9 years old.
So as a former pharmaceutical test subject I can vouch for this explicitly, I don't believe I have "ADHD" because the symptoms for ADHD was being a boy that acted like a boy. Girls were never on ADHD meds, only boys, because boys "couldn't pay attention in school" so all you had to do to be "diagnosed" with ADHD and require "treatment" was to be even remotely normal (I was even especially quiet and compliant with things, and this still wasn't unmasculine enough for the longhouse).

[anthony]

With regard to my own post, I wasn't exactly trying to say that people on 4chan "weren't autistic" as much as it was a self-medicalizing development (thinking about it now, it would probably be worth constructing some kind of timeline for when Tumblr's self-medicalizing culture leaked out into the rest of the internet and if 4chan was before, after, or during that) of 2010's culture.

Of course. I see where you're going. It's definitely strange that 4chan and the rest of the planet internalised this medicalised frame for self-perception so quickly. 'Meds' meme aside most people still believe it and think in it.

And sorry to hear they got you with the pills in school. Hell of a deal.

[Guest]

Absolutely correct that "schizo" aesthetics have been romanticised. You see it in those vaguely religious troll face comics. Often about Babylon and the likes. Logo does this.he did it recently where he was posting in all caps feigning a manic state

[Frenjamin]

Schizophrenics don’t exist today it’s all just hobo freaks or they are asocial teens who can’t bring themselves to racism.

[JohnTrent]

I thought of making a separate thread for this, but one factor when it comes to schizoposters is the presence of "Conspiracy Culture" on the Internet. It would be difficult to mark a historical trajectory, but some precursors could be figures like Robert Anton Wilson (his Illuminatus! Trilogy is often read by Norwood Chapo Trap House types), Bill Cooper, and Alex Jones. These precursors aren't alone the cause of this, but these are the examples off the top of my head. The RAW and Alex Jones examples are most applicable to the subject, as RAW is notorious for blurring fact and fiction in his writings, and Alex Jones' broadcast does the same thing in a less explicit way. When observing these figures up close, there's this perverse joy that radiates through their work (least so in Bill Cooper's Behold a Pale Horse, but still there): they thrive off disclosing something "real" to the audience, even if the contents of their statement are blurred with absurdities. Even to the fan, the first part of their professions is not revealing the truth, but entertainment. They are the circus ringmasters of our time.
The difference between a Conspiracy Culture and a reclusive boomer researching all the details of the JFK assassination is that the former tends to feed off of conspiracies to survive, and the participants receive pleasure in participating. There are a few mundane examples of this that will be readily familiar to most people. One is extraterrestrials, where people online discuss it because the subject of alien life makes for the "deepest" conversation. This is the most popularized form of Conspiracy Culture, where Jimmy Fallon will ask former US Presidents a cheeky question about the existence of aliens, prompting a cheeky response back. Another one is Jeffrey Epstein, where the mantra "Jeffrey Epstein Didn't Kill Himself" is paraded around as a joke, sometimes appearing in public spaces. It is irrelevant if a person is very acquainted with the facts of the case or not, because both the acquainted and the non-acquainted will pat themselves on the back for knowing Da Troof. It's a circlejerk that everyone gets to participate in without a threat. It goes without saying that if any theory implicates nonwhites or minorities, it will never be included in a Conspiracy Culture.
Getting to the point of this schizoposter phenomenon, you could consider it an outgrowth of the aforementioned culture. If the circus ringleader discusses salamander goblin entities from the 7th dimension, you could joke about it (or believe it, if credulous enough) without worry. In doing so, it defines the person involved as someone "in" on it, or makes the person in question unique. I have personally seen this multiple times. The line between belief and nonbelief is blurred, and those who truly believe it share the same characteristics as the nonbeliever. Both tend to daydream about themselves as Rust Cohle or Fox Mulder, even if it's in a tongue-in-cheek way. Being "into conspiracies" is a lifestyle, and schizoposters are the most ardent followers of it.

[capgras]

Conclusions: These findings provide evidence for the existence of a high-IQ variant of schizophrenia that is associated with markedly fewer negative symptoms than typical schizophrenia, and lends support to the idea of a psychosis spectrum or continuum over boundaried diagnostic categories.

A spectrum. This is proposing an ass-covering move like when the 'autism' diagnosis became untenable. There are no schizophrenia genes. There is nothing we can test for in the brain to find conclusive 'schizophrenia'. It's a description of a state of mind and behaviours, and obviously not a helpful one since America has worse outcomes than the third world.

Wouldn't the "high IQ variant" be a similar mental disposition present in someone with a psyche strong enough to prevent or attenuate the onset of psychosis, in the same way a common cold could kill someone with AIDS but not someone with a healthy immune system? It's not hard to imagine a chemist would have an easier time interrogating and dismissing repeated suspicions that there's a camera in his fridge than a janitor. Of course, I wouldn't call this a psychosis spectrum because there's no or little belief in the delusional thoughts. A term like neurosis or neurodivergence would be more appropriate. I understand the idea of an autism spectrum the same way, ignoring larger concerns with the current state of clinical psychology. 

I'm also interested in why you say schizophrenia isn't hereditable. My understanding was that a hereditary risk factor is well-established, but I've never investigated it deeply.

[anthony]

Conclusions: These findings provide evidence for the existence of a high-IQ variant of schizophrenia that is associated with markedly fewer negative symptoms than typical schizophrenia, and lends support to the idea of a psychosis spectrum or continuum over boundaried diagnostic categories.

A spectrum. This is proposing an ass-covering move like when the 'autism' diagnosis became untenable. There are no schizophrenia genes. There is nothing we can test for in the brain to find conclusive 'schizophrenia'. It's a description of a state of mind and behaviours, and obviously not a helpful one since America has worse outcomes than the third world.

Wouldn't the "high IQ variant" be a similar mental disposition present in someone with a psyche strong enough to prevent or attenuate the onset of psychosis, in the same way a common cold could kill someone with AIDS but not someone with a healthy immune system? It's not hard to imagine a chemist would have an easier time interrogating and dismissing repeated suspicions that there's a camera in his fridge than a janitor. Of course, I wouldn't call this a psychosis spectrum because there's no or little belief in the delusional thoughts. A term like neurosis or neurodivergence would be more appropriate. I understand the idea of an autism spectrum the same way, ignoring larger concerns with the current state of clinical psychology. 

I'm also interested in why you say schizophrenia isn't hereditable. My understanding was that a hereditary risk factor is well-established, but I've never investigated it deeply.

The trouble is that "risk factor" isn't any discrete thing we can quantify. We just see it happen again.

[Guest]

"Schizoposting" seems to mostly be an affection or element of the emergent right-wing norwoodism. I see it portrayed by self labelled Christians, or pseudo-Christians, who think their hobby horse BASED elements of society should reduce themselves to a fellah people in the woods. Computers are demons and we should go live in a longhouse in the woods, but with guns! They are usually civic nationalists, if not "my daughter should marry a Christian negro before an atheist white", who make cynical appeals to outdated /pol/ idioms or associated personalities like Sam Hyde. In the system of digesting jokes they're one step before an idea has reached the normgroid consciousness then twisted by the remaining irony leftist accounts of twitter. They're downstream from 8chan /x/, /pol/, and /fringe/ as preserved in the memories of Logo_Daedalus. There is a sort of debased element of the old 2015-2018 Trad Christian circles to them too but are rarely actual Catholics. They are Logo's intellectual sons who were too white to become Third World Marxist-Leninist so swerved towards earlier fascinations with figures such as Ted Kaczynski. Compare them to older Q anon followers who classify themselves as "Christ believers", but those who attempt to portray themselves as genuine "Schizoposters" are far less interesting because, as this thread has already remarked, everything about them is an affected eccentricity. The Q followers legitimately believe in their mythology. The "Schizoposter" rejects what few Faustian elements that remain in the modern public because anything with a grander historical objective is bad juju that is controlling them. It is no surprise their cultural tastes are often so Afrcanized with a hatred of space.

The ultimate political ideal of the "Schizoposter" is that purposefully poorly drawn "I got your back brother!" image of the white redneck and black nationalist fist bumping that says "THE ONLY THING THE ESTABLISHMENT TRULY FEARS!". Black worship is still part of the schizoposter's creed. They're crazy but still cool! They enjoy posturing they're a threat to the modern order, but they're essentially coddled by that system be it ZOG or another term. The use of the terms "FEDS" or "GLOWIES" by these groups is essentially the same as claiming everything is "DEMONIC". As, again, the use of GLOWIE is a normgroidized version of Terry Davis' "Glow in the dark CIA nigger". If they ceded any of that belief there would be no reason to reject any profane ideas like racism. I would consider that use of psychiatric language to show how encased in the system, the one they claim to be apart from, they actually are.

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The youtuber Wendigoon represents the coming high water of this right-wing noorwoodism on the internet. I'm surprised this figure is so underdiscussed on Amarna since there are many zoomers here. A popular, white heterosexual youtuber who likes guns and literature? Implicitly right-wing to the wider internet because he does not openly endorse transgenderism. He made his following off the "Iceburg Chart" trend and has since shifted into more horror, conspiracy, and other content. The earliest iceburgs I remember were on 8chan's /v/ board, but I'm sure they have roots on 4chan /x/. Wendigoon then is ultimately influenced by 8chan and 4chan. That is until you realize Wendigoon is the embodiment of modern 4troon "edgy but safe" culture who exists to sanitize these beliefs with disclaimers: "Did you know the fricking FBI killed the honorable Dr. Martin Luther King?" Wendigoon's presentation style is the perfect, safe response to the breadtube style that dominated youtube since post 2016. Its avoids anything dangerous or confrontational that was purged after 2016. These videos are the Ancient Aliens of youtube. A product that proclaims itself transgressive but refuses to attack any of the sacred principles that hold up the superstructure it wants to run into the woods to escape. Could Wendigoon have a deeper plan? Possibly, but he would still face the problem PewDiePie did when he made the briefest reference to surface level dangerous ideas.

[Guest]

The biggest rhetorical failing of conspiracy culture has been the "here is how" impulse. Boosted by the urge to play a wacky kooky character, you pretend you know what happened. The strongest position to present to normies is just the inconsistency of the alleged facts. Even after that, the most productive theorizing is done by assessing the variety of ways to bring the story back into plausibility with minimal self-contained reconsiderations.

Could Wendigoon have a deeper plan? Possibly, but he would still face the problem PewDiePie did when he made the briefest reference to surface level dangerous ideas.

Kind of raises the question of how one could circumvent that issue in media. Are there sentiments and facts that can slip past the filter? If something is far enough upstream of proper thought, earnest instinct and taboo reality will it go unnoticed?

[Svevlad]

You can't. You have to go around and usurp the media first.