Blood memory
#1
A while ago I noticed an interesting correlation-the pro-EU, liberal beliefs in Poland seem to correlate with german ancestry. 2015 elections map shows it almost perfectly, even the blue dots in the west are around Breslau/Wroclaw, city where most eastern immigrants settled in after 1945.
[Image: https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.82069792429e...ImgRaw&r=0]
Then I decided to check for similar correlation in France-and found what I seeked, but inverted, celts are libs and leftists while germanics are right wing.
[Image: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/05/93/aa/...2c577b.jpg]
[Image: https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dyn...921803.jpg]
Why is it so? Madison Grant viewed modern democracies as insurgency of ancient conquered races against their former masters-my answer to that question dawned on me while reading Miguel Serrano. He claims that something what Jung had termed "collective unconcious", a sort of subconcious collective instinct, is in fact blood memory. It also explains the inversion-origin of polish state and tradition is slavic, what elicits hostility in germanics, while french one is germanic, frankish, what elicits hostility for celts. What does amarna think of it, and idea of blood memory in general?
#2
in the case of poland, the phenomenon has nothing to do with german ancestry. most poles living in the 'reclaimed territories' were relocated under communist policy from either lost eastern territories or lesser poland. the german ancestry is likely uniform between the two sections of poland, but i wouldn't know for sure. in any case the closest i've seen to a satisfactory explanation of this phenomenon was that being uprooted from ancestral land causes one to become divorced from tradition and adopt a cosmopolitan, libtard outlook, though i don't entirely buy this being the sole cause.
#3
(03-26-2022, 03:53 PM)parsifal Wrote: in the case of poland, the phenomenon has nothing to do with german ancestry. most poles living in the 'reclaimed territories' were relocated under communist policy from either lost eastern territories or lesser poland. the german ancestry is likely uniform between the two sections of poland, but i wouldn't know for sure. in any case the closest i've seen to a satisfactory explanation of this phenomenon was that being uprooted from ancestral land causes one to become divorced from tradition and adopt a cosmopolitan, libtard outlook, though i don't entirely buy this being the sole cause.

In lower silesia yes, especially in the cities, but upper silesia, pomerania and masuren are largely german by blood. Easterners are generally the most nationalist subgroup regardless of where they live(kinda like anatolian greeks relocated by turks), as I wrote with Breslau/Wroclaw.
[Image: https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.6b84368e240c...ImgRaw&r=0]

(03-26-2022, 03:02 PM)Heil Wrote: I am just not sure what the implications of this are

I dont think I understand what do you mean. Primary implication would proving value and relevance of heredity. As for direct correlation-its impossible to prove anything zased in current academic climate, but things like epigenetics were considered similarly far-fetched as this before being integrated into mainstream science.
#4
i'm not sure what your intention was with that image. google shows that it's a map of citizens relocated from the lost eastern territories. if you meant to show that it isn't 100%, indeed many of them came from cities like warsaw and krakow which remained polish. communist relocation was thorough, and the only significant remaining german population is in upper silesia (as you said, though i believe you actually meant lower silesia."upper" and "lower" refer to the flow of rivers and not north/south) which was already a part of poland pre-ww2 and limited in geographical scope. 
i should also add that the great european plain is essentially a genetic continuum interrupted only by the aforementioned relocation program. in any case the matter of continental european ethnography is much more complicated than it at first seems and the real trends do not reveal themselves in simple voter allegiance maps. a comprehensive knowledge of history is required as well as significant personal experience with the various locales.
#5
To add a (likely pseudo-)scientific basis to this discussion: it is very unlikely that memories are stored solely in the brain. The most likely candidate for a long-term memory storage medium is cellular RNA, due to its information-density, preciseness, and versatility. People have been known to receive transplanted memories following an organ transplant... it seems entirely possible to me that the cell-free RNA floating around in human blood could be a vector for blood memory, transmitted from mother to child through the foetal / placental circulatory system.
#6
People make a mistake when they separate the brain from the rest of the nervous system.

Memories might as well be stored in the entirety of the nervous system. When you get a transplant, those organs get connected to your n.sys. and you can partially "read" someone else's memories. Very sinple!
#7
@Enterobiasis

The thesis of the Gauls as leftists and the Germans as rightists comes from the French aristocrat Boullainvilliers and it was reinforced by republicans like Auguste Thierry and Michelet. It also had a great influence on Gobineau

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_de_Boulainvilliers

You can see an Anglo-American version of this thesis in Mitchell Heisman Suicide Note

https://legacy.gscdn.nl/archives/images/...e_note.pdf

About the maps you posted.The political division of France is explained mainly because of the immigration of Arabs and the deindustrialization

All right-voting regions on your map are filled with muslims and closed factories

The West of France, on the other hand, is economically dynamic, pro-EU, have few migrants and votes on the left. The West of France are the former Monarchist provinces populated by Catholics (War of Vendée). They are hated by the French of the East, more atheist and racist, the descendants of those who made the revolution of 1789

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_the_Vend%C3%A9e

The region of Brittany in France is very close ideologically and anthropologically to New England. It's populated by viscerally politically correct but very polite and hardworking libtards. The most toxic leftists and the most influential oligarchs in France are Breton (including the infamous Vincent Bolloré, the billionaire who is funding Zemmour's campaign)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Bollor%C3%A9

The Parisian exception of France, the region of the Western world most invaded by Negroes after Atlanta and an insane hivemind of shitlibery, is explained by the socioeconomic level of white Parisians, often rich and educated people coming from other regions. There are no longer any native Parisians, they have all moved to departments 92, 95 and 94 and these ppl vote Far Right like most of Eastern French
#8
Brittany has the highest steppe-pastoralist admixture in France, and one of the few regions to have above 50 % along with Norway, Iceland, parts of Ireland.
#9
France is less diverse genetically than United Kingdom and even Germany. The idea of France as an "artificial creation uniting different ethnicities" is  a complete bullshit which came from 19th nordicists, monarchists and republicans like Huysmans, Ernest Renan or Maurras

There is many DNA-Archeological studies who show the extraordinary genetic unity of French people, prior to 20th century mass immigration of Poles, Italians and North Africans

Roman and German invasions have almost zero influence on French genetics


9th International Symposium on Biomolecular Archaeology June1st – 4th 2021 (Toulouse, FRANCE) page 103
https://isba9.sciencesconf.org/data/page...9_2022.pdf
https://tel.archives-ouvertes.fr/tel-03092247

Ancient genomes from present-day France unveil 7,000 years of its demographic history
https://pnas.org/content/117/23/12791.short?rss=1

The genetic history of France
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41431-020-0584-1
''modern-days France, exhibiting visible clusters, the population is quite homogeneous with low FST values between clusters ranging from 2 × 10−4 up to 3 × 10−3''

https://twitter.com/genotepes/status/122...1131909121
We see a correlation between geography and genetics. The clusters resulting from the hierarchical clustering display genetic limits that coincide with possible natural (Loire, Garonne Rivers) or linguistic (Brezonneg) boundaries. Average Fst is obviously low (0.00019-0.0016).
#10
@Gabriel Matzneff Groyper
Thank you for compiling those, they do confirm the particularity of Brittany
Quote:Our analyses show relatively large differentiation of western Brittany and an overall increased population differentiation between the north and south sides of the river Loire. We observe that both sides of the river are characterised by different proportions of northwestern European- versus Mediterranean-related ancestry, with western Brittany individuals carrying unique levels (~75%) of Irish-related ancestry. Within France, western Brittany shows the largest levels of steppe ancestry and shared ancestry with Bell Beakers-associated individuals similar to other populations lying on the northwestern edge of Europe.
from Population structure of Brittany provides new insights on the introduction of steppe ancestry in western Europe
Quote:However, we observe that Brittany is substantially closer to the population from north-west Europe than to the north of France, in spite of both being equally geographically close.
from The genetic history of France
#11
(03-27-2022, 08:48 PM)parsifal Wrote: i'm not sure what your intention was with that image. google shows that it's a map of citizens relocated from the lost eastern territories. if you meant to show that it isn't 100%, indeed many of them came from cities like warsaw and krakow which remained polish. communist relocation was thorough, and the only significant remaining german population is in upper silesia (as you said, though i believe you actually meant lower silesia."upper" and "lower" refer to the flow of rivers and not north/south) which was already a part of poland pre-ww2 and limited in geographical scope. 
i should also add that the great european plain is essentially a genetic continuum interrupted only by the aforementioned relocation program. in any case the matter of continental european ethnography is much more complicated than it at first seems and the real trends do not reveal themselves in simple voter allegiance maps. a comprehensive knowledge of history is required as well as significant personal experience with the various locales.

I did mean upper silesia-it is where Im from. Many pomeranians remained, which is why its the most pro-german region as of today. My thesis arose largely out of my personal experience with locals in case of Poland and a correlation I spotted in case of France, which is why I referred only to those two countries. You speak in very general terms and I dont exactly understand what you are getting at-great european plain's ethnographic history is complicated and often controversial precisely due to various discontuinities caused by assimilations, relocations and wipeouts. 
"real trends do not reveal themselves in simple voter allegiance maps"-yes, which is why I posted it as a factoid and an interesting hypothesis to have a discussion on, as well as have my have my own misconceptions cleared

(03-31-2022, 02:42 AM)Gabriel Matzneff Groyper Wrote: France is less diverse genetically than United Kingdom and even Germany. The idea of France as an "artificial creation uniting different ethnicities" is  a complete bullshit which came from 19th nordicists, monarchists and republicans like Huysmans, Ernest Renan or Maurras

There is many DNA-Archeological studies who show the extraordinary genetic unity of French people, prior to 20th century mass immigration of Poles, Italians and North Africans

Roman and German invasions have almost zero influence on French genetics


9th International Symposium on Biomolecular Archaeology June1st – 4th 2021 (Toulouse, FRANCE) page 103
https://isba9.sciencesconf.org/data/page...9_2022.pdf
https://tel.archives-ouvertes.fr/tel-03092247

Ancient genomes from present-day France unveil 7,000 years of its demographic history
https://pnas.org/content/117/23/12791.short?rss=1

The genetic history of France
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41431-020-0584-1
''modern-days France, exhibiting visible clusters, the population is quite homogeneous with low FST values between clusters ranging from 2 × 10−4 up to 3 × 10−3''

https://twitter.com/genotepes/status/122...1131909121
We see a correlation between geography and genetics. The clusters resulting from the hierarchical clustering display genetic limits that coincide with possible natural (Loire, Garonne Rivers) or linguistic (Brezonneg) boundaries. Average Fst is obviously low (0.00019-0.0016).
Thank you, both posts were very informative. Very surprised by how homogenous France is considering the disparity in light features beween southeast and northwest
#12
@Enterobiasis

You are welcome. I'm also surprised by the genetic homogeneity of France. French southerners looks definitely more Mediterranean but the "Ligures" and other "Provençaux" don't look either like Padani and Northern Italians, it's a separate phenotype.


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