Can intelligent young men survive being cancelled

[genericMC]

I am interested in the current lives of two academic/tech oriented guys who ran afoul of current year values and had their careers upended. I'd also like to hear about anyone else you know of who are like them, and what became of them.

James Damore - former Google engineer
Famously fired from Google in 2017 after he took the diversity and inclusion team's request for feedback at face value. His linkedin says he's currently a software engineer at an unnamed startup as of 5 years ago, who knows if that's still the case. Seems to make a tweet every few months, last tweet in February this year. Maybe he's doing okay.

Julian von Abele - former(?) Columbia University physics student
Not as famous, but his transgression would be considered more severe. After being sick of hearing about white privilege on campus, he was filmed saying white people are awesome and invented the modern world (these statements have been factchecked by real American patriots as TRUE). I have heard he was going to graduate by 2021, but I have no idea what happened to him beyond March 2019, the month of his last tweet and an interview with The Atlantic. He had published some papers and a book before this, but I see nothing since.

[anthony]

If you can get so far that you can be cancelled you're already surviving better than a lot of other intelligent young men.

[GraalChud]

I am interested in the current lives of two academic/tech oriented guys who ran afoul of current year values and had their careers upended. I'd also like to hear about anyone else you know of who are like them, and what became of them.

James Damore - former Google engineer
Famously fired from Google in 2017 after he took the diversity and inclusion team's request for feedback at face value. His linkedin says he's currently a software engineer at an unnamed startup as of 5 years ago, who knows if that's still the case. Seems to make a tweet every few months, last tweet in February this year. Maybe he's doing okay.

Julian von Abele - former(?) Columbia University physics student
Not as famous, but his transgression would be considered more severe. After being sick of hearing about white privilege on campus, he was filmed saying white people are awesome and invented the modern world (these statements have been factchecked by real American patriots as TRUE). I have heard he was going to graduate by 2021, but I have no idea what happened to him beyond March 2019, the month of his last tweet and an interview with The Atlantic. He had published some papers and a book before this, but I see nothing since.

The question of whether intelligent young men can survive being cancelled largely on what you mean by "survive being cancelled." If you mean "retain whatever job and status they held immediately before being cancelled after having been cancelled", then I`d say that in most cases they generally cannot. If you mean "continue to hold some position/status that is less prestigious than that which they had before being cancelled" after being cancelled" then the answer is sometimes.

At the end of the day, however, whether or not someone survives being cancelled and the degree to which they are scathed by cancellation is ultra context-specific; if Elon Musk were to be "cancelled", it is unlikely that he would really be affected by it all that much or be barred from holding the same sort of status and jobs that he held pre-cancellation after the fact. If people like Damore are cancelled, however, they will likely be blacklisted from high-paying/prestigious jobs in the industry that they were pushed out of as a result of cancellation, but not necessarily from all tech-related jobs - while Damore will probably never be allowed to work for a Google, Twitter, Apple, or even companies that are middle-of-the-pack in terms of profit margins, size, and reputability, he could easily get a job doing freelance remote work or picking up odd tech-related jobs. 

Though there is not a hard and fast rule for post-cancellation outcomes, factors such as pre-cancellation status, wealth, and prominence in the public eye are important and even dispositive (the two examples above indicate as much, even if one is hypothetical). Another factor that is worth considering is the field in which someone works/is being educated in. We can see this with academics like von Abele (who allegedly went on to Colombia`s grad school, if this rumor heard by some random Redditor is to be believed https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/commen...d_does_he/), as in academia there is ostensibly room for dissenting opinions and even the most libtarded institutions pretend to care about intellectual freedom and occasionally do things to convince their alumni and the public that this is the case, which could explain why he might not have been hit as hard as Damore and those in tech who are cancelled. We can also see more evidence of this with cancelled professors, like Adrien Vermuele, who was "cancelled" in ~2020 (Student Cancel Mob Comes For Harvard Law Prof. Adrian Vermeule Over Tweets Mocking Leftists (legalinsurrection.com)) yet retained his position as a Harvard law professor and has ultimately come out of cancellation with nary a scratch on his reputation. Such people may be reproached and even penalized in one way or another (such as having their tenure stripped from them, being put on leave temporarily, or being refused tenure) for their transgressive actions/words, but it seems as though they are ultimately less likely to be outright fired and completely blacklisted from the field in which they work after cancellation than are people in other fields, which points to the field in which a person works being a relevant factor in an analysis of post-cancellation outcomes.

[kevin]

Unless your being cancelled entails a felony conviction, then yes of course.

[BillyONare]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/richard-h...e2f295e817

Richard Hanania, a visiting scholar at the University of Texas, used the pen name “Richard Hoste” in the early 2010s to write articles where he identified himself as a “race realist.” He expressed support for eugenics and the forced sterilization of “low IQ” people, who he argued were most often Black. He opposed “miscegenation” and “race-mixing.” And once, while arguing that Black people cannot govern themselves, he cited the neo-Nazi author of “The Turner Diaries,” the infamous novel that celebrates a future race war.

In 2010, Hoste was among the first writers to be recruited for AlternativeRight.com, a new webzine spearheaded and edited by Richard Spencer, the white supremacist leader who later organized the deadly 2017 neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. (“Little fucking kikes,” Spencer reportedly told his followers at a party after that rally. “They get ruled by people like me. Little fucking octaroons. My ancestors fucking enslaved those little pieces of fucking shit.”)

Many people on twitter have noticed/joked about the similarities between the Richards' contrarian positions, such as shilling for coronavirus vaccines, claiming that Ivy League liberals are more literate, intelligent, and aristocratic than dumb conservatives, etc. I believe now that Hanania has idolized Spencer for over a decade and continues to be heavily influenced by his ideas and even his mannerisms and contrarian hateable presentation.

[Corvid]

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Many people on twitter have noticed/joked about the similarities between the Richards' contrarian positions, such as shilling for coronavirus vaccines, claiming that Ivy League liberals are more literate, intelligent, and aristocratic than dumb conservatives, etc. I believe now that Hanania has idolized Spencer for over a decade and continues to be heavily influenced by his ideas and even his mannerisms and contrarian hateable presentation.

It's very easy to resent rightists, who are retarded. What these HBD rationalist types who "defect" don't seem to realize is that they will never be trusted, not simply because leftists never get firmware updates but also because they underestimate the neuroticism and devotion of the leftist to their ideological convictions as status and signal. Hanania will always be a racist fascist, at best distrusted, even if he goes streaking in the name of race communism.

[Guest]

Yes. There are enough on either side to find some place to "fit in" for most transgressions. If you are extremely keyed, then maybe it will be more difficult, but still it shouldn't be too difficult.
All things are diverging, even though the largest institutions are largely ruled by the same stupidity. Even this might be wrong, I'm very far away from that world and can't tell what happens internally.
Things will *change* for the person. One world will close to them. But probably, that world was always detestable to him. If not, then he is still a halfway-man, and this is more painful on its own than anything else.
It's probably not a good thing to have happen, especially if the person wanted to work from inside of some organization or something like this, but if it happened then it's too late for this. Now he gets a new position, which has some new potential paths, although I don't think they are too interesting for the average above-average sort.
An easy reminder is that many say "I will go inside of this thing and look out for my own." But then they go into it and fall into easy traps and get sapped dry of all life within a few years. This is the general road for halfway-men. It's very easy to say: "This is the smart thing to do." Especially when women get involved. Many are not good with women, and will make strange concessions for the first thing that "feels like love." Or the second, or the third.
All this to say: Intelligence is not enough.