Cats vs Dogs
Datacop
Excerpts from Ernst Jünger’s essay Dog and Cat:
Quote:   Like all questions of taste and especially questions of sympathy, the dispute about the priority of the dog or the cat will never be decided. Deep inclinations and aversions come to light here. There are people, and they are not rare, in whom the proximity of a cat or a dog arouses physical discomfort.

   Richelieu was infatuated with cats, especially very young ones. Bismarck preferred enormous Great Danes. It is hardly conceivable that Hitler would have befriended cats; he kept German shepherds, the last of which he had poisoned before his death.

   In such comparisons there are a number of points of view. If we approach from the angle of nobility, in the sense of preserving one's own freedom, independence and dignity, the cat undoubtedly deserves the prize. It does not take orders; it does not get involved in anything unless it thinks that endeavor pleasant. It only allows itself to be lured and stroked when it wants to. Actually, it is the cat that caresses us; this was well seen by Baudelaire, who also dedicated beautiful poems to it.

Quote:Erebus would have used them as his gloomy steeds:
If their pride could let them stoop to bondage.

   With gentlemen who expect and demand service, we are therefore more likely to find dogs and horses, and often in large numbers. This was true not too long ago; today you have to travel far to still find a kennel, a stable or even an enclosure of hunting falcons, and even on the outskirts they are almost only kept as showpieces. Horse riding has become a sport like any other. Sitting on horseback is no longer a badge, it does not delimit a gallant way of life. More important than the horse in the dynamic age is the number of equine forces (horsepower) that can be set in motion; they are quantifiable.
(...)
   The cat keeps the man of artistic temperament better company than the dog. It does not disturb thoughts, dreams, and fantasies. It even fosters them with its sphinx-like charisma. Albrecht Erich Günther, a great lover of cats, considered them to be hostile to demons and attributed their invaluable contribution to the comfort of the home to this.
(...)
   Manda is a born mistress; she takes my affection and service for granted. Her power is great because it is based on beauty, of which she is sure. If she has an inkling of destiny, perhaps it is that I am a temple slave destined to her service. Luxi, on the other hand, perhaps took me for her god.
(...)
   The cat lacks the immediate strong sympathy with the person that is given to the dog. He is the companion of the active, vigilant man, especially of the hunter and the shepherd - already at the earliest campfires he must have joined him. This is real symbiosis, a close coexistence and also something more.

   The dog took part in the journeys of man. We find him with the natives of the tropics as with the Eskimos. Already his wild forms hunt sociably and over long distances.
(...)
   The dog hunts by day, the cat by night. It is not only an animal of the hearth, but also of the night. The eyes, the ears, the tactile hairs, the inaudible, supple nature, the day sleep testify to it. It does not hunt in packs and needs no guidance; it feels comfortable in solitude.

   It is therefore in the nature of things that the cat seeks the company of the lonely. It belongs to the other side of man - there, where he comfortably enjoys leisure, where he pursues ideas, writes poetry and dreams. There she sleeps the day away, not without dreaming herself, as I notice in Manda, who sometimes stirs her jaws in her sleep as if she were listening to a mouse, or stirs her tail as if a dog were approaching. Sometimes she lets out a sigh of deepest comfort.

The entire essay is worth reading, but I didn't want to make the OP a mile long. You can read it here.
Where do Amarnites fall on the cat-dog spectrum? Are cats the ideal pet for Sensitive Young Men or are they secretly Toxoplasma Gondii mind controlling you into being a normie?
anthony
I asked a vet in training about toxoplasmosis. She said it mostly gets around through meat consumption, and so is actually far more widespread than most people know.
Guest
I’m moved by the concept of dogs as physical manifestations of loyalty. Argos waiting for his master Odysseus to return greatly moved me. This is not that unique of a story either, example being the Japanese Hatchiko. If you were to really look there would be no shortage of such stories. 

Do cats have such an equivalent? They’re just an animal to me, but dogs represent loyalty itself.
Zed
(02-04-2023, 01:27 AM)Guest Wrote: I’m moved by the concept of dogs as physical manifestations of loyalty. Argos waiting for his master Odysseus to return greatly moved me. This is not that unique of a story either, example being the Japanese Hatchiko. If you were to really look there would be no shortage of such stories. 

Do cats have such an equivalent? They’re just an animal to me, but dogs represent loyalty itself.

Cats are easily the most graceful and elegant of all predators, there an effortlessness efficiency in their movements and a singular purpose. The wild cat in nature is pure warrior nobility, where the house cat is an indolent and lazy aristocrat, yet has never been truly domesticated. Humans (and all primates) are somewhat dopey animals in comparison, so the cat (and the more potent representations in lions/tigers) speak to an ideal. That is the origin of lion in heraldry. Even housecats retain a fragment of that nature, despite their cuteness, affection, and aloofness.
kirukuni
Cat lovers fuck Rei, dog lovers fuck Asuka.
a system is failing
I have always liked cats better than dogs due to the independent traits. Cat's affection feels more meaningful and deliberate than a dog's. That said I have dogs now, and no cats, and I think they can be more intelligent than people sometimes give them credit for. In my experience a pet's intellect and humanity are strongly determined by their owner, an intelligent owner can have pets with complex personalities. 

Better than both cats and dogs for me are birds though. It fits my contrarian tendencies but also I do have some decent symbolic arguments for birds as a companion to man:
•Birds are the only common pet that sits at eye level with a human (shouldered or perched)
•Birds posess a capability humans do not: flight 
•The more intelligent species of bird are often monogamous
•Birds can talk to people and communicate with them more directly and closely than dogs or cats can
Guest
I think the question of cat vs dog comes down to temperament, more than inclination of the mind. The hot-headed man, one who jumps into everything with zeal, must enjoy the dog more than the cat, as the dog follows immediately but the cat evaluates before doing so. The cooler mind, one who considers all possibilities before making his moves must prefer the cat, as he would want a companion who does not interfere with his thought. Ultimately, either of these temperaments may be artists or soldiers. Jünger is right in that the dog lends itself to great pursuits while the cat is for the more spiritual, but I think he forgets that art can be vigorous while the battleground is often a sacred place.
(02-04-2023, 03:00 AM)kirukuni Wrote: Cat lovers fuck Rei, dog lovers fuck Asuka.

Dogfag and want Rei, what does this mean?
Guest
You don't own the cat; the cat owns you. A cat isn't a companion, it's a meandering schizoid fascination that exerts its psychotic will upon you at it's own convenience. Toxoplasmosis must be widespread, because how else can one explain the phenomenon of humans willingly allowing an animal to shit in the closed-air-space of your home, smelling up your domicile, and then cleaning it up for the animal's benefit? These beasts have not been tamed by us - quite the opposite, in fact.

On the other hand, you have dogs, which are manifestations of man's most admirable qualities. You can see so vividly that man has projected what he deems the most valuable onto these noble and versatile creatures, and as such, dogs serve as more an extension of man than a beast of burden, with which man merely utilizes to achieve his ends. Dogs are more than pets - they are emblematic of what to aspire toward! Loyalty, vigour, humour, bravery - all that and more with the aptly-named "man's best friend".

All that, and they will also extend you the courtesy of shitting in a pile of leaves, rather than a stinking plastic box you have shoved in the boiler room.

t. asukafag

(02-04-2023, 03:33 AM)a system is failing Wrote: I have always liked cats better than dogs due to the independent traits. Cat's affection feels more meaningful and deliberate than a dog's. That said I have dogs now, and no cats, and I think they can be more intelligent than people sometimes give them credit for. In my experience a pet's intellect and humanity are strongly determined by their owner, an intelligent owner can have pets with complex personalities. 

Better than both cats and dogs for me are birds though. It fits my contrarian tendencies but also I do have some decent symbolic arguments for birds as a companion to man:
•Birds are the only common pet that sits at eye level with a human (shouldered or perched)
•Birds posess a capability humans do not: flight 
•The more intelligent species of bird are often monogamous
•Birds can talk to people and communicate with them more directly and closely than dogs or cats can

>prefers cats over dogs
>likes birds as pets
How sick is this? The average "cat enjoyer", ladies and gentlemen! If you are restricting a flying animal to a cage, you are a pathetic creep, and you need to be obliterated! Unless you'd have me believe you are a falconer, or are the owner of a ramshackle, DIY rooftop dovecote? Somehow, I doubt it!
BillyONare
I’ve never lived with a cat nor a dog. If you asked me a few years ago when I was more of a partisan Chud, I would have said definitely dogs as cats are for dirty libtards and carry the gay parasite. The concern is that toxoplasmosis makes you homosexual, not that it makes you a normie. Dogs are definitely the normie choice. That said, you guys have convinced me that in my heart I am more of a cat person and that they are a based animal companion. Maybe I will get one, but probably not due to parasite/time/money concerns.

Quote: A friend of mine told me how she hates her father's dog. Her father's a Narcissist and she hates him for it. Her father loves the dog. Now, considering that Narcissists by definition can't love anyone but themselves, how can her father love the dog? Oh that's right, because the dog's a Narcissist.

Her father loves how the dog constantly fights the other pets for his attention and constantly begs and begs for his attention too. Narcissist loves Narcissist, who'd have thought it? And my friend knows and hates Narcissists and hates the Narcissistic animal.

Quote: Dogs like I said are Evil. They obey us because they think we're their masters, their ALPHAS. The same for horses that think 'the human' or humans in general are the herd stallion. Cats ...? Probably not. They seem like Gaians to me, neither Good nor Evil. Theoretically, all they care about is eating and fucking and drugs, and killing birds and mice. Except they don't organize their lives about it like psychopaths. They care more about blending in like Gaians do.

Man, there's gonna be a lot of Gaians that are going to be PISSED at me for telling everyone that the one reliable feature of a Gaian is that you can't pin down their personality type because what they care about above all else (even slavery or lying) is BLENDING IN. You see a guy you can't figure out who spends all his time blending in and hiding his secrets? GAIAN! If you know to look for it, their obsessive desire for hiding is the one thing that gives them away! It's hilarious!

So yeah, cats. Cats love boxes that are just about their body size. And they love patches on the floor that just happen to hide their fur coats. And they instinctively hide their feces and urine, leaving no trace of themselves for anything to track them down and kill them. And they also manage to do all that with brains the size of a peanut. BEING NOT-EVIL with a brain the size of a peanut. Remarkable.

Quote: I could go on and on about how various animals are symbols of Evil. Rats, leeches, snakes and roaches are symbols of psychopathic Evil. Lions and peacocks and swans are symbols of Narcissistic Evil, just at different Presence levels. Dogs ... are actually RWAs. Think of the press, proudly calling themselves "watchdogs" and scornfully condemned as "lapdogs".

Either way, the press are fucking RWAs. Right-Wing Authoritarians who care only for social norms, above and beyond even their own exploitation of those norms. Nowadays, after a whole generation has been raised on Green propaganda, you have plenty of RWAs who spout Green propaganda.

Animals are symbols of Evil for a reason. And the reason is simple and obvious. It's becaues THEY ARE EVIL. Not all of them, just most of them. I mean, cows and moose aren't Evil. Elephants probably aren't, most of them. Sheep while pretty vile probably aren't Evil. Bats aren't, except for vampire bats. But honestly, how many animals are altruistic?

It's not about brainpower either. Owls are symbols of Good. Owls eat rats. Owls are pretty specialized eaters. Or how about otters? The curious little things. But more importantly, there is pretty solid evidence that personality can be traced back all the way to infancy.
Datacop
(02-04-2023, 09:40 AM)BillyONare Wrote:
Quote: A friend of mine told me how she hates her father's dog. Her father's a Narcissist and she hates him for it. Her father loves the dog. Now, considering that Narcissists by definition can't love anyone but themselves, how can her father love the dog? Oh that's right, because the dog's a Narcissist.

Her father loves how the dog constantly fights the other pets for his attention and constantly begs and begs for his attention too. Narcissist loves Narcissist, who'd have thought it? And my friend knows and hates Narcissists and hates the Narcissistic animal.

What is that quote from? Hating dogs because it reflects paternal authority sounds like a convincing argument for dogs > cats. I'd would put it as a +1 in the "Cats are for insipid faggots" jar
kirukuni
(02-04-2023, 07:08 AM)Guest Wrote: I think the question of cat vs dog comes down to temperament, more than inclination of the mind. The hot-headed man, one who jumps into everything with zeal, must enjoy the dog more than the cat, as the dog follows immediately but the cat evaluates before doing so. The cooler mind, one who considers all possibilities before making his moves must prefer the cat, as he would want a companion who does not interfere with his thought. Ultimately, either of these temperaments may be artists or soldiers. Jünger is right in that the dog lends itself to great pursuits while the cat is for the more spiritual, but I think he forgets that art can be vigorous while the battleground is often a sacred place.
(02-04-2023, 03:00 AM)kirukuni Wrote: Cat lovers fuck Rei, dog lovers fuck Asuka.

Dogfag and want Rei, what does this mean?

Amarna isn't the place to go about publicly admitting you go against the natural order. At least have the decency to only hint at it.
Starn
I'll just rephrase my thoughts from the 'Box.

Dogs are conceptually interesting, because they were once a creature with Social Dynamics that deeply resembled mankind's, who became allies with Mankind across the boundaries of species. Only to be subsumed and integrated as Mankind reached higher and higher. Their genes turned into clay for us to shape, be it for use as tool, vanity, or amusement.
I can't remember the name, but I'm reminded of this one manga where "Aryans" returned from space and began genetically altering the Japanese into pets, games, and furniture. Dogs are the real-world equivalent of this.

Cats are pretty obviously biologically superior to dogs. The same feeling that makes more capable men wish to have pet Hyper-Predators like Tigers or Eagles is at play here. I prefer it. Very different dynamic.
Both are reduced to a child-surrogate by the pure soy that is the population of all first-world states.

"The future of the Masses will be Dog-like. The future of the Aristocrats will be Cat-like."
"Not judging the Masses here btw. Just stating the facts."
Datacop
(02-04-2023, 03:00 AM)kirukuni Wrote: Cat lovers fuck Rei, dog lovers fuck Asuka.

Debatable, the options I see are:
  • Prefers Rei because she's of cold aristocratic temperament -> cat lover
  • Prefers Rei because she's a blank slate to mold -> dog lover
  • Prefers Asuka because she's fiery and independent -> cat lover
  • Prefers Asuka because she's youthful and vital -> dog lover
  • Prefers Misato because she's mommy gf -> executed by Datacopian Military Tribunal
I also just realized the translation of the essay I used in the OP is from Kirill from the RWA podcast. Small world.
BillyONare
Prefers Asuka because she's fiery and independent -> cat lover

This. Asuka is a beautiful predatory animal. Stop being a coaler.

@Datacop Paternal authority of that nature is bad.
Datacop
(02-04-2023, 11:48 AM)BillyONare Wrote: Prefers Asuka because she's fiery and independent -> cat lover

This. Asuka is a beautiful predatory animal. Stop being a coaler.

@Datacop Paternal authority of that nature is bad.

My only wish is that I could choose them both...
While it's true that the urge for exacting control is destructive when taken to fruition in romance, it is like all desire; fiery and destructive. Better to seek out authority and lose it than to never have tried. My twitter timeline would prove that I agree with both sides on the Rei / Asuka debate. I might talk more about this on the Best Girl Thread.

That being said, a pet companion is not the same as a woman. "Of that nature" is the caveat. Much how I am in approval of both of the 14 year old anime girls, I enjoy the company of both cats and dogs, but my own nature, as Jünger puts it, is that of demanding service. I am not by any means frustrated by the independence of a cat, but they are to me more like features of an environment, evoking a calmness like a sunrise or a painting, than a pet. A pet demands service. One of the most fulfilling parts of owning a dog for me has been the success of training them and the feeling of pride I feel when they behave as second nature. Like Jünger says, a cat belongs to a hearth more than an individual, and I've always preferred the sense that my dogs would follow me in particular to the ends of the earth. As is often the case, schoolyard logic prevails over overindulgent philosophizing; cats are girls and dogs are boys. Maybe I'm just too sick of female company to appreciate a cat. I prefer the fealty and loyalty of a dog.
a system is failing
(02-04-2023, 09:23 AM)Guest Wrote: How sick is this? The average "cat enjoyer", ladies and gentlemen! If you are restricting a flying animal to a cage, you are a pathetic creep, and you need to be obliterated! Unless you'd have me believe you are a falconer, or are the owner of a ramshackle, DIY rooftop dovecote? Somehow, I doubt it!

Wow, falconry and DIY is cool and manly eh lumberjak? Fucking blow it your ass you faggot. Yea, I'm a normal guy who owns pets in a normal way that doesn't involve insane and dumb beardlarp. B-BUT THATS INHUMANE! Like you have any idea what you are talking about! Before I owned him he had his wings clipped always and couldn't even fly. I actually do ironically care about the same shit you claim to, the freedom of the animal, but you're one of those retarded losers who likes to project nonsense on online templates and get judgmental about it. Kill yourself as soon as possible.
Guest
You care about "freedom of the animal," but you leave the animal trapped in a cage? The anger response is telling: you're experiencing cognitive dissonance, and it's creating intense stress, that you are now trying to off-load on to me! I would suggest channelling that rage into physically euthanizing your miserable and trapped "pet bird" as soon as possible. You're welcome for the advice.
Starn
Birds are also an excellent choice... What you said about birds being symbols is fitting. The efficiency and purity of their minds. Their flight, their intelligence. A bird can not just ascend into the air, but has the self-recognition to understand the beauty in it. Birds are superior to many 'humans.'
Avians. From an evolutionary branch deeply disconnected from Man's, yet they still exhibit an intelligence so familiar to us.
Normies have this sadistic-soyism against 'anthropomorphizing animals,' but the minds of animals are evidently more similar to our's than different.

(An side. 'Not anthropomorphizing animals' was originally about Scientific standards when studying their behaviors, as assigning actions by emotions is not Objective enough. I have no idea how normies twisted it so badly, or why. You could study a man's behavior without anthropomorphizing him, too. Do they subconsciously fear the implications?)

Even pigeons/doves have this intelligence about them, even if they're stupid in funny ways... Easy to see why they were once common pets.
I once had someone describe to me 'wild' pigeons as "stray dogs who will never be given homes." The purr-like cooing must have helped with why we once chose them.
a system is failing
(02-04-2023, 03:39 PM)Guest Wrote: You care about "freedom of the animal," but you leave the animal trapped in a cage? The anger response is telling: you're experiencing cognitive dissonance, and it's creating intense stress, that you are now trying to off-load on to me! I would suggest channelling that rage into physically euthanizing your miserable and trapped "pet bird" as soon as possible. You're welcome for the advice.

I have an anger response because you are stupid person, missing information yet rushing into insults and accidentally tripping over your faggoted beardlover LARP about doing DIY and being a real, humane falconry enjoyer (you don't care about falconry dumbass) in the process. You have trite, washed out views and yet you are so gung ho about sharing them you have to aggressively stuff them into holes where they don't even fit, and thus being annoying in the process. You should definitely still kill yourself.
Guest
You are doubling down on your overreaction. You are in a psychotic stupor, and need immediate medical help: call 911 as soon as possible. Kill your bird.
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