Chapocels, Ironybros, Dirtbag Leftists
#1
What are the common denominators of this type, best exemplified by people such as polishXcellence? Who were they as kids? What backgrounds do they come from?

Some characteristics that immediately come to mind, which we can probably all agree are valid observations:

- They all seem to be millennials, mostly belonging to the younger part of that cohort.

- It seems like they all live in the big city, which is to say that they don't live in the country, small towns, the exurbs, or the suburbs. Did they grow up here, or did they grow up in suburbia, eventually coming to hate that from which they had sprung?

- They pay rent.

This doesn't tell us much, tho'.
#2
They seem to have little to no experience with personal or familial poverty, judging by the things they have to say. Of course they'll condemn poverty in an abstract way as long as their interactions with the filthy poors are limited, or are mostly vicarious, like listening to ghetto rap, but they'll never really *get it*. Part of this economic detachment - ridiculing the chuds for complaining about their "treats" taken away and such - comes from a position of relative financial security. I would say this demographic mostly ranges middle to upper middle class, all the way into petite bourgie class like Hasan Piker, who can afford expensive houses and cars.

They are also consoomers, but towards things they usually consider to be counter-culture. This is regardless if it actually is, and it almost always isn't. Usually things they see as antithetical to what non-woke whites - who are responsible for this purported capitalist-to-fascist system they hate so much! - enjoy, even if the content itself is not diametrically opposed to it. And they are pretty much never business owners themselves unless it's a tiny online shop or something of the sort. They wouldn't be "true" commies if they owned a business, according to their own criteria.

I'd also assume they are for the most part racially white, but don't really know much about their background or only bring it up out of shame.
#3
(07-08-2022, 09:40 PM)Drymarchon melanurus erebennus Groyper Wrote: - It seems like they all live in the big city, which is to say that they don't live in the country, small towns, the exurbs, or the suburbs. Did they grow up here, or did they grow up in suburbia, eventually coming to hate that from which they had sprung?

Down to a single one of them, they did not live in big cities growing up.  Absolute hardcore suburbanites, every one of them.  They are transplants into cities, and they actually were kind of late to the party at that, and I think they know it and it builds a resentment in them.  For example, Brooklyn, especially Williamsburg, was the place to be in 1999, 2000, maaaaaybe 2001 if you were on the ground floor of being an actual hipster*.  A lot of these clowns were still living in Nebrahoma clear into the Obama years.  They want to LARP as a lifelong New Yorker and not a transplant, completely unaware they walked into a fully gentrified Williamsburg by that point, overpaid for rent, and do the whole "Oye Como Va"/bodega routine as if that was what anyone in 1999 was doing.  Their entire concept of the urban is a mediated experience - they have "an idea" of it completely fed to them through movies and television, and later social media.

*the suspiciously shifting definition of this word from the mid 00s to the early 10s is worthy of serious research, I'm not kidding
#4
From some personal experiences (note - these are technically zoomers, but you should take into account the commie freezer phenomenon) - they seem to be variants of the Failed Normie mixed with a Hipster. They exist on a perpendicular axis to the normies, but for them it is enough to make 1 step off the normie axis to consider themselves ascended wise culture connoisseurs or whatever the fuck. As with other Norwoodism, they do basically the same thing everyone does, but because they do it "specifically" they are special e.g. tabletop clubs, going to a pub instead of the cafe/kafana/club whatnot.

Confounding things further - it seems they have become "pseudo-jews" in social relations - they aren't normies until they come across actual radicals/misfits/special people/us when they will vigorously defend normie stuff. This immunizes them against being called normies, which previously would have been devastating to their "special" self-conception.
#5
(07-13-2022, 11:43 AM)Svevlad Wrote: they seem to be variants of the Failed Normie mixed with a Hipster. They exist on a perpendicular axis to the normies, but for them it is enough to make 1 step off the normie axis to consider themselves ascended wise culture connoisseurs or whatever the fuck. As with other Norwoodism, they do basically the same thing everyone does, but because they do it "specifically" they are special e.g. tabletop clubs, going to a pub instead of the cafe/kafana/club whatnot.

Confounding things further - it seems they have become "pseudo-jews" in social relations - they aren't normies until they come across actual radicals/misfits/special people/us when they will vigorously defend normie stuff. This immunizes them against being called normies, which previously would have been devastating to their "special" self-conception.

They seem to be "like normies but not" because they are self-consciously trying to be normal, which they not only are manifestly not, but there is no such thing as being "self-consciously normal."  Normal people are normal by default, they don't have to affect things like social interaction or having a 9-5 or anything else that's normal.

The "failed hipster" thing goes back to what I mentioned earlier; the only reason you associate their characteristics with hipsterism is because of the suspicious shifts that word went under.  Objectively, the term means you're ahead of the curve.  Deliberately affecting things you have gleaned from other sources, especially 18th-hand sources like a Leftist podcast, means that by definition, you can't be ahead of the curve and in fact are well behind it.  You literally can't be hip if you're one of these people.

First wave hipsterism was a rejection of hardcore (the music genre) and all the political baggage that came with it.  In the 90s hardcore was a proto-woke culture, and hipsterism was a reaction to it.  If anything, someone like Milo is closer to an original hipster than these people.
#6
(07-14-2022, 08:47 AM)Coyote Wrote: First wave hipsterism was a rejection of hardcore (the music genre) and all the political baggage that came with it.  In the 90s hardcore was a proto-woke culture, and hipsterism was a reaction to it.  If anything, someone like Milo is closer to an original hipster than these people.

Exactly. They will never be fin de siècle Gavin McInnes; even modern-day Gavin McInnes can’t be that man anymore. It was a moment in time they missed out on, and merely play in the ruins of.
#7
(07-08-2022, 09:40 PM)Drymarchon melanurus erebennus Groyper Wrote: What are the common denominators of this type, best exemplified by people such as polishXcellence? Who were they as kids? What backgrounds do they come from?

Some characteristics that immediately come to mind, which we can probably all agree are valid observations:

- They all seem to be millennials, mostly belonging to the younger part of that cohort.

- It seems like they all live in the big city, which is to say that they don't live in the country, small towns, the exurbs, or the suburbs. Did they grow up here, or did they grow up in suburbia, eventually coming to hate that from which they had sprung?

- They pay rent.

This doesn't tell us much, tho'.
Interesting. I agree to a degree but I feel hipsterdom was essentially from that sort of scene (hardcore and emo) but something beyond it. It was like being "in" on all of those and more. The average hipster not only listened to those but also rap (only stuff you've never heard of as the cliche goes) and other things. Like a film nerd or a guy that plays niche games but for every aspect of his life. He only smoked some rare brand of chinese Cigarette called Lucky 88s, he only watched weird french films, played indie games and listened to mathcore or other mu tier stuff.. The basically made a point to have their tastes excel in all areas. Even their tastes of pedestrian things had to be done through an ironic filter. They didn't drink beer and watch junk tv. They drank PBR and watched seven samurai or salo something.

What Q anon did for conspiracy theories they did for niche tastes amd subcultures in that they combined all of them into one. They would take all the stuff they liked from hardcore, punk, emo, indie, rap culture etc and combine them.

They were definitely very pretentious but the spirit of it is essentially noble. To refine your tastes and enjoy things beyond entry level. However for most it was just an expression of fashion. Most hipsters I met had a few topics they were quite versed in (usually music) and then just memorized a few lists or similar for the others. i.e you remembered a few directors names and a couple of distinguished authors in case the topic ever came up.
#8
(07-28-2022, 06:11 PM)Michael Wrote:
(07-08-2022, 09:40 PM)Drymarchon melanurus erebennus Groyper Wrote: What are the common denominators of this type, best exemplified by people such as polishXcellence? Who were they as kids? What backgrounds do they come from?

Some characteristics that immediately come to mind, which we can probably all agree are valid observations:

- They all seem to be millennials, mostly belonging to the younger part of that cohort.

- It seems like they all live in the big city, which is to say that they don't live in the country, small towns, the exurbs, or the suburbs. Did they grow up here, or did they grow up in suburbia, eventually coming to hate that from which they had sprung?

- They pay rent.

This doesn't tell us much, tho'.
Interesting. I agree to a degree but I feel hipsterdom was essentially from that sort of scene (hardcore and emo) but something beyond it. It was like being "in" on all of those and more. The average hipster not only listened to those but also rap (only stuff you've never heard of as the cliche goes) and other things. Like a film nerd or a guy that plays niche games but for every aspect of his life. He only smoked some rare brand of chinese Cigarette called Lucky 88s, he only watched weird french films, played indie games and listened to mathcore or other mu tier stuff.. The basically made a point to have their tastes excel in all areas. Even their tastes of pedestrian things had to be done through an ironic filter. They didn't drink beer and watch junk tv. They drank PBR and watched seven samurai or salo something.

What Q anon did for conspiracy theories they did for niche tastes amd subcultures in that they combined all of them into one. They would take all the stuff they liked from hardcore, punk, emo, indie, rap culture etc and combine them.

They were definitely very pretentious but the spirit of it is essentially noble. To refine your tastes and enjoy things beyond entry level. However for most it was just an expression of fashion. Most hipsters I met had a few topics they were quite versed in (usually music) and then just memorized a few lists or similar for the others. i.e you remembered a few directors names and a couple of distinguished authors in case the topic ever came up.

This gets at something that I think is central to the pathetic identity these Norwoody Guthries have cobbled together.

They have that (as you say) essentially noble urge to want to be hip, different, countercultural, not a part of the cringe mainstream — but also, more than ever, are demanded to conform to and affirm globohomo social justice orthodoxy and “intersectionality.” So they are constantly schizophrenically (not in the Kantbot Beetlejuice sense) trying to play up as much difference as possible from that culture without substantively countersignaling it or its dogmas. We see this when they “get serious” and sanctimoniously chastise people like us for transphobia or whatever.

Post-Mike Harrington democretin socialism is thus the perfect “ideology” for this kind of person to orient their aesthetic around. They can belabor an alleged difference between themselves and some Pod Save America normie Democrat “liberal” while still being loyal to what is important, which is protecting the “right” of twelve-year-olds to sterilize themselves because of their genderfeels.
#9
Quote:However for most it was just an expression of fashion.

This is precisely the issue with these sort of faggoted tendencies. Your standard modern Leftist is an unserious person with an abjectly frivolous worldview. Even among the more intelligent ones the idea that "more Leftism" = more virtuous is taken for granted; this is a transparent symptom of their priorities lying in fashion statements/social displays rather than genuine political action (praxis...).

Aside: Contemporary Leftism is utterly rudderless because it's always ultimately gelded by its worst shitelements. Chapoids know this, but are nonetheless ALWAYS self-censoring, whether the Dirtbag makes to gigglingly invoke a meek and occasional "retard" or not. They simply don't permit themselves to acknowledge full reality because they accept Liberal ethical claims. "Democratic Socialism" is basically just edgy Liberalism, it's so fucking gay.
#10
(08-14-2022, 04:00 PM)GraphWalkWithMe Wrote: This is precisely the issue with these sort of faggoted tendencies. Your standard modern Leftist is an unserious person with an abjectly frivolous worldview. Even among the more intelligent ones the idea that "more Leftism" = more virtuous is taken for granted; this is a transparent symptom of their priorities lying in fashion statements/social displays rather than genuine political action (praxis...)
Pretty much. Any genuine application of historical materialism would result in nationalism, not global communism. The principle of class warfare, that economic organizations seize their own interests at the expense of the interests of those opposed to them, is simply a specific application of the Schmittian friend-enemy distinction and of political wills competing in general.

The communist reasoning for supposing international cooperation is that trade will eliminate barriers between nations and that the global market will make interdependent economies suffer the same collapse and revolutionary upheaval at the same time; now, needless to say, for every massive war and global economic crisis this has never happened in except a couple countries at once. I came out of it rejecting internationalism entirely. Commitment to such a principle, except for completely fantastical idealism, is deranged.

To that end, it IS a matter of virtue for these people: which ought to serve as a refutation for their very own idea that man is a rational, mechanical being-of-nature and not a starry-eyed being-of-history.
#11
(08-19-2022, 08:53 AM)Corvid Wrote:
(08-14-2022, 04:00 PM)GraphWalkWithMe Wrote: This is precisely the issue with these sort of faggoted tendencies. Your standard modern Leftist is an unserious person with an abjectly frivolous worldview. Even among the more intelligent ones the idea that "more Leftism" = more virtuous is taken for granted; this is a transparent symptom of their priorities lying in fashion statements/social displays rather than genuine political action (praxis...)
Pretty much. Any genuine application of historical materialism would result in nationalism, not global communism. The principle of class warfare, that economic organizations seize their own interests at the expense of the interests of those opposed to them, is simply a specific application of the Schmittian friend-enemy distinction and of political wills competing in general.

The communist reasoning for supposing international cooperation is that trade will eliminate barriers between nations and that the global market will make interdependent economies suffer the same collapse and revolutionary upheaval at the same time; now, needless to say, for every massive war and global economic crisis this has never happened in except a couple countries at once. I came out of it rejecting internationalism entirely. Commitment to such a principle, except for completely fantastical idealism, is deranged.

To that end, it IS a matter of virtue for these people: which ought to serve as a refutation for their very own idea that man is a rational, mechanical being-of-nature and not a starry-eyed being-of-history.

Leftism is an ideology of outfitting the fishtank for the sake of erasing culture so that lesser-thans maybe get to sink to a more comfortable rock. Simple as, faggot-dressing nonewithstanding. Leftists are simply bimboified cockhuffers.
#12
https://leftypol.org/leftypol/catalog.html
Here you can witness for yourself leftists achieving the impossible: taking 4chan, already 'wooded out enough as it was, and removing what actual edge or redeeming qualities it did have. One look at one of their threads will tell you all you need to know. It's the ultimate Norwood haven.
https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/976710.html
#13
(09-12-2022, 10:17 PM)Guest Wrote: https://leftypol.org/leftypol/catalog.html
Here you can witness for yourself leftists achieving the impossible: taking 4chan, already 'wooded out enough as it was, and removing what actual edge or redeeming qualities it did have. One look at one of their threads will tell you all you need to know. It's the ultimate Norwood haven.

/leftypol/ far predates chapo, norwoodism, and the "dirtbag left". Analyzing it as an outgrowth of said phenomena is missing the mark.
#14
I’ve noticed like all gimmick accounts the “Crypto bro’s posting their L’s” account is a hive of troonry. Does anyone know why trannies seem to hate crypto/NFT’s so much?
#15
They seem to pile into projects like NFTs or support Proof of Stake over Proof of Work if they support crypto, or they make specious arguments over the energy waste of Bitcoin if you can catch them in the wild (and role playing as the ultimate consoomer; the modern female isn’t a gigantic waste?).

I have to think at least partially that the Troon is actually a troll at heart, YWNBAW doesn’t really bother them all that much because the goal is subverting the concept of the female. Going after prevailing cultures is therefore a goal of subversion. Troons don’t create, they only destroy (their penis with irreversible surgery).

As to why they seem to crowd around trolling or low effort twitter screen cap accounts? It has to be a desire to feed and amplify others negative self images (which the the average troon no doubt has in spades). If they were thinking positively they wouldn’t be spending so much time monitoring and cataloging internet nobodies.
#16
Anti-crypto/NFT is a big leftist talking point, all trannies are leftists. Most discussion of crypto/NFTs takes place online, trannies haunt all online communities. I don't think there's some deep psychological thing going on. If there's anything unique to trannies in specific, it's that they are online enough to be there at the start of the fad and know how to trade them but dismissed them as a scam. Or maybe that the guys screaming YWNBAW were the ones making huge crypto profits.
#17
Hipsters, Ironybros and Chapos all seem to be what happens when the weird overly political kids from your suburban/rural high schools eventually decide to say “fuck you dad” and wander into the urban-wildlife interface (wildlife meaning ofc blacks and their Negritude). Weird insular subcultures, fixation on bizarre consumer goods (a fixed gear bicycle is kind of shitty for commuting) and proud/brave sexual politics which laud the constant churn of art hoe pussy and various drugs to numb their souls to the reality that even in a community full of their peoples they are not wanted.

Most of the modern “I have a black friend” kinds of socialists find themselves face to face regularly with other overly socialized and over educated morons who agree and amplify each other’s gay and shitty opinions. The degree to which I think Redditor cultural norms corresponds to how Dirtbag Leftism has developed needs serious examination as these people in meatspace are insufferable and tend to focus on validation above all else (irl updootz).

David Cross released a movie “Hits” (2014) which I think had a brilliant look at what these cultures look like to a close by observer and I would say the defining culture is a culture of alienation that constantly needs to form and reform itself to preserve an identity.
#18
merged the "hatred of NFTs" thread into this one
#19
(09-19-2022, 11:22 AM)Kyle Cucklinski Wrote: I’ve noticed like all gimmick accounts the “Crypto bro’s posting their L’s” account is a hive of troonry. Does anyone know why trannies seem to hate crypto/NFT’s so much?

One motivation might be "projection"-rooted resentment - "Look at these CHUDS pretending that fake computer ideas are actually real! AND they have the audacity to make profits off it, the Capitalists."

The aging Video Game Journalist and self-styled Agitprop Eunuch Jim Sterling possesses a particular animus against this kind of thing.
#20
I think the AI/Crypto thread should stay unmerged, it can serve as repository for other instances of leftist lash-outs against chuds using technology to sidestep converged sectors.

Take the "aritsts" currently attempting damage control over Stable Diffusion. I'm sure everyone has seen the AI-generated Victorian catgirl with hourglass figure by now, it too easily shows where we could be without the decades long leftist project to redefine beauty as a vitiligo-spotted sheboon.

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