When I was a child I spent three years in kindergarten. I think that might be longer than usual. My handlers decided to err on the side of caution because they didn't know what to make of my nature. Maybe I appeared possibly retarded, or was not hitting their milestones or standards.
I spent a lot of time there, and also seem to have much stronger memories of my early life than most people I speak to. My memories become consistent around the age of 3. I remember a lot from then onwards. And I believe I was 3 when I went into kindergarten.
I was prompted to create this thread after seeing some typical internet woman piety over Elsagate's alleged influence over children in its heyday, those children now being old enough to post on reddit.
Roastie internet police on the case. It was the "screens" you see. The screens "were not good for them." "The affect" you know?
I believe you. I definitely really believe you.
"The way it has effected me now-"
This person is definitely effected, or is it affected? Hard to tell now. But by Elsagate? I believe the forum user who brought this tweet to my attention had the right of it.
I agree that there is probably very little specific damage done by these videos, if any. Perhaps just some more generalised problems of being raised without a mind towards any kind of cultivation or purpose. Elsagate is just a giant lack of standards and taste. "RW" or adjacent Longhouse Commissar jumps on this for a chance to push already held axioms and biases. But between her and the linked reddit posts try to find a clear explanation of what's actually happening.
Watch Elsagate -> .... -> Become an Asexuality
This is the story which 'Nua Peasant' is going to use to justify closing the internet.
This isn't a thread about that though. We could have one, but what would be the point? This is going to lead back into where I started. People online like the idea that specific experiences and exposures can somehow mess you up or do damage. Maybe extreme cases can in some subtle ways, but I lean towards these effects being overblown for the most part.
But this did get me thinking about the phenomena in general. Both the ideas of mass exposure of weird experiences to masses of children, and the idea of being messed up, or in more extreme cases, perhaps "programmed". That word makes for a more fun title so we're using it.
Looking into the Missing Children on milk cartons thing (real thing in America) I found a reddit thread, that went from here to a bit of a more general discussion on bizarre threats presented to children.
I want to address both of these comments. First the kidnapping epidemic. Yeah, maybe that was a thing. A general lowering of trust towards strangers. But I don't believe proposed cause and effect line up here. There was a general collapse in social trust and engagement all over the first world during this period. In the USA the far more obvious social breakdown instigator was the civil rights movement and the internal rearrangements of America's populations and communities, largely by violence. First there was the violence itself, second effect being the destruction of more natural settlements of populations and relations for a new uprooting and replanting along far more historically unusual lines. Related thought to our current thread against conspiracy, wouldn't it be convenient if the milk cartons made Americans start bowling alone. Just kind of a stupid mistake. Between the destruction of population demographics and social arrangements people were naturally happy with, the rise of tv as the mass time-eater, and the slow collapse of civil order due to racial chaos and creeping anarcho tyranny, it seems rather natural that people would start closing off. Children are going to learn from how they're raised. I find other comments in this thread on how crazy it is that they were still allowed out to do whatever considering all the kidnapping news in the air.
Second comment also interests me. Quick sand. Quick sand is something I remember being scared of as a kid. I feel like it was everywhere in cartoons and stuff, Mario falls into it and dies in Super Mario 64. If you learn about the world through pop media (it seemed weirdly prominent in things for children) one might get the impression that falling into quicksand and dying is a real and serious risk. Other similar examples like piranhas and killer bees are brought up in this thread.
I was aware of the idea of quick sand. But I was never really having any strong reactions to the idea. I never thought I was going to die because of contact with sand that could have been quick. People remember a vague childish fear of these things, but we all know we're fine now. Nua is not telling you that "this is so sad" that generations of children were taught to fear sand. It made just enough of an impression for us to remember it was there.
I give time to this thought because I can actually think of someone who was so strongly impacted by the idea of video game environmental hazards that he genuinely believed he was going to be killed by contact with mundane nature.
From the Ullillillia wiki
The same contact with a mundane and silly idea we all met had an extraordinary effect on this particular person, who is very clearly wired differently to the rest of us. This is what a programmed human looks like. Taught by exposure despite layers of abstraction and unreality.
It seems to me that the nua "Elsagate turned me asexual" angle relies on the idea that many people are in some way fundamentally like Ullillillia and will pick extreme relations between concepts through exposure that will stick with them for life. I believe that this is a rather stupid idea. But if you disagree feel free to argue your case in this thread. If you do want to make that case, let me leave you with this before we move on.
SKIBIDI BOP BOP YEEEEEEEEEEEEEES YES
Back to me, I can think of several particular experiences in my early life that were in retrospect rather bizarre. At least they strike me that way. And I feel like I could probably spin out some narrative of "programming" based on them. But I don't believe that I was. They just seem odd to think about now. Strange and ineffectual ideas from incompetent adults who didn't really know what they were doing but felt like doing something.
I want to share these and ask if anybody remembers these or similar experiences. And whether or not you feel "programmed" by anything.
I remember three programmings from when I was in kindergarten. Things that felt like rather serious teaching campaigns that were initiated by people with some responsibility, but which I can't imagine sensible people coming to agreement over at all.
First, I remember my kindergarten was very determined to teach us all about pregnancy. Chicken eggs were brought in to sit in incubators. And we were told over and over again how amazing it would be when they would hatch. I vaguely remember a chick dying one year, possibly even before it hatched. Memory gets murky on this point. Did someone step on one? Did one die in egg and they told us? Did they crack an egg and show us the dead chick? Did I kill a chick? I don't remember too much beyond the fixation upon chicks (on the part of the teachers/handlers, not me. I couldn't give a shit but in my memories these are very pushy women). These possibilities might sound very weird on paper here, but I feel nothing about any of it. It just sounds like a really stupid idea to force chicken eggs and the miracle of hatching on children.
What goes from weird to proto-NAMBLA MKULTRA watching us through the one way mirror stuff is, I vividly remember these women teaching us about human pregnancy too. They put a lego man inside a balloon full of water and told us that women carry babies in their bellies. And then I think they told us the baby comes out the bellybutton, but I couldn't be certain on that. This one seems very weird to me, just the fact that it happened. I don't remember being afraid of confused and I have no lego man or balloon fetish today. I just can't imagine how this came to be something done for a kindergarten. Are these people just very naive and weird about the nature of children? I don't think anybody got messed up. But I can't think of any good positive reason to do this. It just seems like a pretentious waste of time concocted by bored retarded hicklibs who wanted to play inspiring science for a day with 4 year olds as their captive audience.
These only really became weird when I linked the two in my mind as connected lessons on a greater curriculum of pregnancy and reproduction. Why were they doing that? Weird, weird stuff if you ask me. If this was happening in every kindergarten in the world and I'm just being retarded and autistic, please tell me so. I'd like to get this clarified if possible.
Secondly, I remember warnings about fire. Housefires specifically. I remember Ronald McDonald on tv telling us to 'Get Down Low, and Go Go Go!", I remember visiting a fire station, and I remember being asked to ask my parents what our "plan" was for if the house caught fire. I think I also remember us four year olds being told that we could throw our mattresses out our windows and jump onto them if we were on a second floor. My windows didn't open. Pretty sure I just had to eat shit on that because the lesson was escaping out windows when our houses caught fire.
Were they laughing at us? Does my mind concoct memories like this for fun? Or did the Australian government order kindergartens to teach children how to escape housefires? The latter sounds completely plausible to me. One could say this scared us, maybe it did. But if so, no lasting damage. I'm not "messed up". But between this and some other things I believe I could construct a solid narrative of fearmongering in Australian childrearing. Probably with good justification. Reason why the point of this thread is on whether or not such things actually have adverse effects, not whether or not they happen.
Third, I remember Australia around the early 2000s shaming everybody for domestic water usage. Short showers. Less time washing your hands. Have to sing songs about the importance of rain and water in kindergarten. Australia didn't get notably wetter since this period. But our moment of draught awareness and the accompanying public shaming campaign seem to have gone away and been memoryholed in favour of the now dominant environmental meme of climate change. Telling toddlers they wash their hands too much might be a fun powertrip, but it's nothing compared to telling that to a government (or feeling like you are).
One could make a plausible case that perhaps there was an element of messed up here in that people were primed for a sense of responsibility and guilt towards the world, which then evolved into or was picked up by the climate change movement. But all of Australia got this meme, and in my memory it basically passed away as soon as the programming was changed and they stopped spamming us about it in tv commercials.
Again, there could have been an effect. This may be the most plausible example, but again, I personally felt nothing for the cause. And I believe that most people didn't. The channel was on drought. Then it wasn't. And now it's on climate change. Climate change I believe it would be harder to flip the program on, some believers would be lost and hurt without it, but maybe not as hard as many would think.
Melbourne does lots of things one could take as strange social experiments. We were also the most locked down city in the world in response to Brandon Flu. That one did get flipped hard, people were turned on, and then off.
Was the drought meme about experimentally priming us for climate change action, or was it perhaps just a poorly thought out and lazy state mandated program because someone suggested that 'environmental consciousness' would be a milestone to hit early in the lives of Australian youth to create responsible Australian adults?
But then, why did the program feel so explicitly like shaming? In the informal discussion that preceded the creation of this thread I believe the answer came up quite succinctly.
All of my handlers in kindergarten were women. Australia is a country run by women. I believe that all of these strange experiences I had in kindergarten (there were a couple more in addition to these) can be explain by bureaucratic distance and laziness and the natural teaching style of women. I grew up with a bunch of bizarre and incoherent morally tinged "lessons" because my country is run by stupid women. And all it amounted to to me was a giant waste of time.
Do you remember anything like this, and do you think any of it amounted to anything?
Now you may be thinking that I talk a lot about how children are betrayed and messed up by the world, and I believe that they are. But I believe that exposure to particular images or taught ideas does very little, and that the medium is the message. I believe that boys being raised and taught by women does terrible damage. From more of the above conversation.
Shame hurts. Not seeing skibidi toilet.
Attempting to build a working moral model of the world in response to arbitrary exercises of authority (tyranny) you will just get mutilated for your trouble. And of course only the smarter and better boys will do this if constantly lectured at. Because they're the ones who could be the best. I could go into more particulars about what I believe went wrong in my own life, but this won't be a thread for that I don't think. Right now I'm interested in this idea of damage by exposure to specific ideas and concepts.
I'll leave you with this last idea to think about. This ought to stoke if nothing else.
I spent a lot of time there, and also seem to have much stronger memories of my early life than most people I speak to. My memories become consistent around the age of 3. I remember a lot from then onwards. And I believe I was 3 when I went into kindergarten.
I was prompted to create this thread after seeing some typical internet woman piety over Elsagate's alleged influence over children in its heyday, those children now being old enough to post on reddit.
Roastie internet police on the case. It was the "screens" you see. The screens "were not good for them." "The affect" you know?
I believe you. I definitely really believe you.
"The way it has effected me now-"
This person is definitely effected, or is it affected? Hard to tell now. But by Elsagate? I believe the forum user who brought this tweet to my attention had the right of it.
Quote:These comments are false, regurgitations, impositions from above. These are mental children repeating back at you what their parasocial "parents" online said. If the Amarna Forum ruled the world, they would be gravely warning against listening to rap due to hair loss.
There's a common thread between Aaron Bushnell torching himself for a cause that doesn't matter and these mental children taking on a dour tone to warn you about the dangers of too much screen time like a sixty year old. A sort of false piety. An empty gesture to a dead religion.
I agree that there is probably very little specific damage done by these videos, if any. Perhaps just some more generalised problems of being raised without a mind towards any kind of cultivation or purpose. Elsagate is just a giant lack of standards and taste. "RW" or adjacent Longhouse Commissar jumps on this for a chance to push already held axioms and biases. But between her and the linked reddit posts try to find a clear explanation of what's actually happening.
Watch Elsagate -> .... -> Become an Asexuality
This is the story which 'Nua Peasant' is going to use to justify closing the internet.
This isn't a thread about that though. We could have one, but what would be the point? This is going to lead back into where I started. People online like the idea that specific experiences and exposures can somehow mess you up or do damage. Maybe extreme cases can in some subtle ways, but I lean towards these effects being overblown for the most part.
But this did get me thinking about the phenomena in general. Both the ideas of mass exposure of weird experiences to masses of children, and the idea of being messed up, or in more extreme cases, perhaps "programmed". That word makes for a more fun title so we're using it.
Looking into the Missing Children on milk cartons thing (real thing in America) I found a reddit thread, that went from here to a bit of a more general discussion on bizarre threats presented to children.
I want to address both of these comments. First the kidnapping epidemic. Yeah, maybe that was a thing. A general lowering of trust towards strangers. But I don't believe proposed cause and effect line up here. There was a general collapse in social trust and engagement all over the first world during this period. In the USA the far more obvious social breakdown instigator was the civil rights movement and the internal rearrangements of America's populations and communities, largely by violence. First there was the violence itself, second effect being the destruction of more natural settlements of populations and relations for a new uprooting and replanting along far more historically unusual lines. Related thought to our current thread against conspiracy, wouldn't it be convenient if the milk cartons made Americans start bowling alone. Just kind of a stupid mistake. Between the destruction of population demographics and social arrangements people were naturally happy with, the rise of tv as the mass time-eater, and the slow collapse of civil order due to racial chaos and creeping anarcho tyranny, it seems rather natural that people would start closing off. Children are going to learn from how they're raised. I find other comments in this thread on how crazy it is that they were still allowed out to do whatever considering all the kidnapping news in the air.
Second comment also interests me. Quick sand. Quick sand is something I remember being scared of as a kid. I feel like it was everywhere in cartoons and stuff, Mario falls into it and dies in Super Mario 64. If you learn about the world through pop media (it seemed weirdly prominent in things for children) one might get the impression that falling into quicksand and dying is a real and serious risk. Other similar examples like piranhas and killer bees are brought up in this thread.
I was aware of the idea of quick sand. But I was never really having any strong reactions to the idea. I never thought I was going to die because of contact with sand that could have been quick. People remember a vague childish fear of these things, but we all know we're fine now. Nua is not telling you that "this is so sad" that generations of children were taught to fear sand. It made just enough of an impression for us to remember it was there.
I give time to this thought because I can actually think of someone who was so strongly impacted by the idea of video game environmental hazards that he genuinely believed he was going to be killed by contact with mundane nature.
From the Ullillillia wiki
The same contact with a mundane and silly idea we all met had an extraordinary effect on this particular person, who is very clearly wired differently to the rest of us. This is what a programmed human looks like. Taught by exposure despite layers of abstraction and unreality.
It seems to me that the nua "Elsagate turned me asexual" angle relies on the idea that many people are in some way fundamentally like Ullillillia and will pick extreme relations between concepts through exposure that will stick with them for life. I believe that this is a rather stupid idea. But if you disagree feel free to argue your case in this thread. If you do want to make that case, let me leave you with this before we move on.
SKIBIDI BOP BOP YEEEEEEEEEEEEEES YES
Back to me, I can think of several particular experiences in my early life that were in retrospect rather bizarre. At least they strike me that way. And I feel like I could probably spin out some narrative of "programming" based on them. But I don't believe that I was. They just seem odd to think about now. Strange and ineffectual ideas from incompetent adults who didn't really know what they were doing but felt like doing something.
I want to share these and ask if anybody remembers these or similar experiences. And whether or not you feel "programmed" by anything.
I remember three programmings from when I was in kindergarten. Things that felt like rather serious teaching campaigns that were initiated by people with some responsibility, but which I can't imagine sensible people coming to agreement over at all.
First, I remember my kindergarten was very determined to teach us all about pregnancy. Chicken eggs were brought in to sit in incubators. And we were told over and over again how amazing it would be when they would hatch. I vaguely remember a chick dying one year, possibly even before it hatched. Memory gets murky on this point. Did someone step on one? Did one die in egg and they told us? Did they crack an egg and show us the dead chick? Did I kill a chick? I don't remember too much beyond the fixation upon chicks (on the part of the teachers/handlers, not me. I couldn't give a shit but in my memories these are very pushy women). These possibilities might sound very weird on paper here, but I feel nothing about any of it. It just sounds like a really stupid idea to force chicken eggs and the miracle of hatching on children.
What goes from weird to proto-NAMBLA MKULTRA watching us through the one way mirror stuff is, I vividly remember these women teaching us about human pregnancy too. They put a lego man inside a balloon full of water and told us that women carry babies in their bellies. And then I think they told us the baby comes out the bellybutton, but I couldn't be certain on that. This one seems very weird to me, just the fact that it happened. I don't remember being afraid of confused and I have no lego man or balloon fetish today. I just can't imagine how this came to be something done for a kindergarten. Are these people just very naive and weird about the nature of children? I don't think anybody got messed up. But I can't think of any good positive reason to do this. It just seems like a pretentious waste of time concocted by bored retarded hicklibs who wanted to play inspiring science for a day with 4 year olds as their captive audience.
These only really became weird when I linked the two in my mind as connected lessons on a greater curriculum of pregnancy and reproduction. Why were they doing that? Weird, weird stuff if you ask me. If this was happening in every kindergarten in the world and I'm just being retarded and autistic, please tell me so. I'd like to get this clarified if possible.
Secondly, I remember warnings about fire. Housefires specifically. I remember Ronald McDonald on tv telling us to 'Get Down Low, and Go Go Go!", I remember visiting a fire station, and I remember being asked to ask my parents what our "plan" was for if the house caught fire. I think I also remember us four year olds being told that we could throw our mattresses out our windows and jump onto them if we were on a second floor. My windows didn't open. Pretty sure I just had to eat shit on that because the lesson was escaping out windows when our houses caught fire.
Were they laughing at us? Does my mind concoct memories like this for fun? Or did the Australian government order kindergartens to teach children how to escape housefires? The latter sounds completely plausible to me. One could say this scared us, maybe it did. But if so, no lasting damage. I'm not "messed up". But between this and some other things I believe I could construct a solid narrative of fearmongering in Australian childrearing. Probably with good justification. Reason why the point of this thread is on whether or not such things actually have adverse effects, not whether or not they happen.
Third, I remember Australia around the early 2000s shaming everybody for domestic water usage. Short showers. Less time washing your hands. Have to sing songs about the importance of rain and water in kindergarten. Australia didn't get notably wetter since this period. But our moment of draught awareness and the accompanying public shaming campaign seem to have gone away and been memoryholed in favour of the now dominant environmental meme of climate change. Telling toddlers they wash their hands too much might be a fun powertrip, but it's nothing compared to telling that to a government (or feeling like you are).
One could make a plausible case that perhaps there was an element of messed up here in that people were primed for a sense of responsibility and guilt towards the world, which then evolved into or was picked up by the climate change movement. But all of Australia got this meme, and in my memory it basically passed away as soon as the programming was changed and they stopped spamming us about it in tv commercials.
Again, there could have been an effect. This may be the most plausible example, but again, I personally felt nothing for the cause. And I believe that most people didn't. The channel was on drought. Then it wasn't. And now it's on climate change. Climate change I believe it would be harder to flip the program on, some believers would be lost and hurt without it, but maybe not as hard as many would think.
Melbourne does lots of things one could take as strange social experiments. We were also the most locked down city in the world in response to Brandon Flu. That one did get flipped hard, people were turned on, and then off.
Was the drought meme about experimentally priming us for climate change action, or was it perhaps just a poorly thought out and lazy state mandated program because someone suggested that 'environmental consciousness' would be a milestone to hit early in the lives of Australian youth to create responsible Australian adults?
But then, why did the program feel so explicitly like shaming? In the informal discussion that preceded the creation of this thread I believe the answer came up quite succinctly.
Quote:Shaming is just the default woman way of interacting with boys to me
All of my handlers in kindergarten were women. Australia is a country run by women. I believe that all of these strange experiences I had in kindergarten (there were a couple more in addition to these) can be explain by bureaucratic distance and laziness and the natural teaching style of women. I grew up with a bunch of bizarre and incoherent morally tinged "lessons" because my country is run by stupid women. And all it amounted to to me was a giant waste of time.
Do you remember anything like this, and do you think any of it amounted to anything?
Now you may be thinking that I talk a lot about how children are betrayed and messed up by the world, and I believe that they are. But I believe that exposure to particular images or taught ideas does very little, and that the medium is the message. I believe that boys being raised and taught by women does terrible damage. From more of the above conversation.
Quote:I was never held against any kind of defined standard, more just attacks out of nowhere that hurt because I couldn't comprehend them
Shame hurts. Not seeing skibidi toilet.
Attempting to build a working moral model of the world in response to arbitrary exercises of authority (tyranny) you will just get mutilated for your trouble. And of course only the smarter and better boys will do this if constantly lectured at. Because they're the ones who could be the best. I could go into more particulars about what I believe went wrong in my own life, but this won't be a thread for that I don't think. Right now I'm interested in this idea of damage by exposure to specific ideas and concepts.
I'll leave you with this last idea to think about. This ought to stoke if nothing else.