Chris-Chan and Sonichu

[Chud]

[bad OP]

[Gloom]

how he may be able to pass as "normal" nowadays

While it's true that Chris's weirdness relative to general society had been rapidly decreasing (he embedded himself quite naturally into twitter tranny culture), his arrest definitely shoved him over the line; most people don't come back from writing rambling letters about how they're god. Also, I'm interested to see why you think that trolling didn't have a major impact on Chris; in my opinion the knowledge that he has an "audience" of sorts was a big factor in developing the stunted sense of self that lead to his current divine delusions.

[obscurefish]

I think Chris Chandler resembles a mentally handicapped L. Ron Hubbard more than anything else:

- inability to separate fantasy from reality
- zero inhibition against plagiarism
- focus on popular escapist art
- creative output based on combining multiple derivative ideas
- sex obsession
- belief that any day now a transformative event will give them godlike powers and fix all of their problems
- delusions of being Christ / Anti-Christ
- lack of any financial discipline
- prone to bouts of severe dejection
- paranoia
- large following dedicated to preserving their works and biographical information



When I heard about the time when Hubbard wrote to President Reagan asking him to abolish the income tax, what struck me is how reminiscent of Chris Chan, how childishly egocentric, it was. If Chris had 20 more IQ points and ended up in severe trouble with the IRS because Sonichu became a best seller he would have done the exact same thing.

I think it's wrong to look and Chris or Ron as products of 'societal failure'. Of course in another time they may have turned out better, but the same could be said of anybody. They were born weird, and if society in general comes to resemble them it's because they were genuine pioneers in some odd way.

[Guest]

Stop misgendering her.

[Guest]

Stop misgendering her.

No.

[Verl]

I think Chris Chandler resembles a mentally handicapped L. Ron Hubbard more than anything else:

- inability to separate fantasy from reality
- zero inhibition against plagiarism
- focus on popular escapist art
- creative output based on combining multiple derivative ideas
- sex obsession
- belief that any day now a transformative event will give them godlike powers and fix all of their problems
- delusions of being Christ / Anti-Christ
- lack of any financial discipline
- prone to bouts of severe dejection
- paranoia
- large following dedicated to preserving their works and biographical information



When I heard about the time when Hubbard wrote to President Reagan asking him to abolish the income tax, what struck me is how reminiscent of Chris Chan, how childishly egocentric, it was. If Chris had 20 more IQ points and ended up in severe trouble with the IRS because Sonichu became a best seller he would have done the exact same thing.

I think it's wrong to look and Chris or Ron as products of 'societal failure'. Of course in another time they may have turned out better, but the same could be said of anybody. They were born weird, and if society in general comes to resemble them it's because they were genuine pioneers in some odd way.

The fundamental difference between Chandler and Hubbard is that Chandler's memory is preserved in a completely ironic fashion. No one (except maybe a hundred persons at the extreme) actually cares about what Chris Chan believed or his opinions, except in regards to morbid curiosity BECAUSE of his downfall, not for their own sake. Hubbard on the meanwhile founded an organisation valued in the billions and operates on ever inhabited continent.

That is the distinction. Hubbard lives in the shadow of Scientology, while Sonichu lives in the shadow of Chris.

[Michael]

Josh / Null had a good explanation. He's sort of like a petri dish of what the culture is doing or indicative of where it's going. Chris was a brony before the iteration of the show that became popular. He was also a proto incel. Or incel 1.0 if you will. Also obviously a tranny before the huge explosion of trannys. We can reasonably expect an increase in incest in the coming years too (which I'm seeing evidence of already)

[JustinGeoffrey]

Excellent summation. Chris Chan is also, like KingCobraJFS and other lolcows, a product of too much media saturation. The problem has grown exponentially worse since Chan's heyday on the earliest incarnation of YouTube and other websites. "Touching grass" is hardly viable now when multi-media experiences can be so easily accessed anywhere and at anytime. We live in a hyper-real reality wherein Internet avatars are friends, the Internet is as a real as the material world, and millions of people, especially young Westerners and East Asians, have plugged themselves into the Internet so much that their digital self is the primary "mask" (to use an overwrought psycho-babble term).

Chris Chan is also the most documented man in history, thus leading me to believe that future scholars are going to think some strange things about our civilization.

[JohnnyRomero]

We can reasonably expect an increase in incest in the coming years too (which I'm seeing evidence of already)

[anthony]

All right, back to this thread as promised. I'm pleased to see our friend obscurefish's post above, the direction I want to take this thread isn't totally untouched.

I greatly admire Chris Chan as an outsider artist. As we went into in the shoutbox before, it's a question of audacity. This shameless egotism which is one of the essential parts of successful genius. And a strange point where genius overlaps with the moron and the criminal character. His approach to "art" and creation is instinctively unconstrained. He does not bother with how things are supposed to be and what he is or is not allowed to do. I believe that this is a very hard thing to do. And his magpie like relationship with existing media that he likes I believe is also completely correct and proper. A healthy artistic instinct he is not intelligent enough to develop a disrupting neurosis over.







This is what healthy artists from healthy cultures do.

When Chris Chan wants to create he simply sets to work piling up and synthesising everything he enjoys. His creation process is a chaotic workshop of pure self satisfaction. And as for the results, it's a simple fact that his work holds the attention of the world far better than the overwhelming majority of aspiring online artists.

Yes, this is due to the widespread interest in Chris-Chan as an individual. But that's more to the strength of his art. That it is so shamelessly and utterly personal. If you are interested in Chris you read him clearly by looking at his creative output. And if you are interested in his creative output you clearly read him through it. If only all artists could be so spiritually correct.

This video is one of his more modest and less talked about efforts, but I believe it to be one of his strongest showings. I'm also a fan of his LittleBigPlanet showings. What I love about this is how utterly personal it is. And look at the date. Chris Chan arguably created the Let's Play. And I would also say that he was the best at it. The internet is now loaded with countless hours of ostensibly similar projects. But here I am sharing this one of all of them. I genuinely cannot tell you a clear point to why the majority of let's plays exist. They are at heart merely neurotic and half-hearted attempts at what Chris Chan unconsciously perfected first try before the idea was a seed in anybody else's minds. The point of a Let's Play is to make a display of yourself through somebody else's creation. And Chris Chan is more interesting than most people who have ever used the internet, and puts more of himself into his let's play than anybody else who has ever dared follow him.



Another post or thread could be made on how heavily youtube was pioneered by a similar spirit of retard-audacity. Chris Chan, James Rolfe, and Doug Walker are three of the most culturally influential men alive today because of a combination of bravery and lateral thinking on how to use and combine media to create new things. I may post more on Chris's art in the near future but for now I think I'll let the point settle, and hopefully stoke some more interest in this thread and subject.

[T. L.]

Thread deserves to be bumped as Chris has been released for good and uploaded new videos.