Common word choices which are counterproductive
#1
The two words that really bothered me are "Aryan" and "Steppe". Whenever "Aryan" gets propagated, it seems that the cliques I've observed on Twitter end up looping in Iranians and subcontinentals in over time. Even the groups who try to 'reclaim' it fail miserably of course. The other is "Steppe" or anything related to the "steppe". It invariably ends in Europeans thirsting over inbred Mongoloid women with unibrows. This same mindset ended with the Scythians racemixing themselves into an irrelevant Ossetian rump-state. I always encourage people to say "Germanic"/"Nordic"/(any more specific appellation which is specifically European) instead of "Aryan". But how this stands against diluted national identities in Europe, I'm not sure.
#2
(12-15-2022, 12:38 AM)holebear Wrote: "Aryan" and "Steppe"

"Aryan" does often lead to squabbling between browns ad nauseum but its still too good a term not to use. I feel the same way about it as I do with the linguistic battle between BC/BCE or Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays. When Brahma created the Vedas he did not designate the Northern invader-nobles the "Proto-Indo-Europeans", I'm not going to call them that to avoid interacting with Iranians online. Any attempt to replace usage of Aryan comes across as forced and gay to try and divorce discussion of them from Nazis.

(12-15-2022, 12:38 AM)holebear Wrote: I always encourage people to say "Germanic"/"Nordic"/(any more specific appellation which is specifically European)

There are lots of contexts where talking about "Aryans" isn't strictly about Europe, though.

I feel less strongly about "steppe". I feel like the Mongol love on the right comes from more an appreciation of their lifestyle than people thirsting over Mongoloids, though. Complaining about descriptions of our ancestral homeland because people use it to talk about asian girls comes off as petty and feminine.
#3
I 100% agree with this; haplogroup-posting spheres have been completely overrun by jeets "this-is-SO-me"-ing at Yamnaya reconstructions. Lionize European settler-colonialism instead.
#4
as far as replacements, "germanic" is one of the worst. it's completely unclear and has too many interpretations.
#5
I don't think "steppe" was ever about idolizing Mongolian women - instead it was about idolizing the freedom, power and by extension masculinity of the steppe nomad, and also about the right to conquer.
#6
I have literally never see anyone post ANYTHING about Mongolian women ever. Meds please. People who like Mongols like Mongol men, i.e. they want to kill and rape city-dwellers and burn everything to the ground and enjoy the total freedom of the open steppe on horseback.
#7
(12-20-2022, 08:48 PM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: I have literally never see anyone post ANYTHING about Mongolian women ever. Meds please. People who like Mongols like Mongol men, i.e. they want to kill and rape city-dwellers and burn everything to the ground and enjoy the total freedom of the open steppe on horseback.

1. I have already taken my medication as directed today, so your direction is a moot point.
2. Expand your horizons and think a little bit more. A desire for "raping city dwellers" ends up being realized as a desire for racemixing. When I was hanging around the 2020~2021 ex-Nordbol sphere, I noted that not just one Swede or Dane would talk about taking warbrides who were not of their own race by appropriating the steppe moniker.

(12-15-2022, 01:25 AM)Datacop Wrote: I feel less strongly about "steppe". I feel like the Mongol love on the right comes from more an appreciation of their lifestyle than people thirsting over Mongoloids, though. Complaining about descriptions of our ancestral homeland because people use it to talk about asian girls comes off as petty and feminine.

One of the main points in my personal philosophy is that these things existed in the past and that these steppe ancestors chose to leave that behind, and differentiated into many different peoples; all related but it's aesthetically the wrong way to go, to try to go upstream to something which we've "moved past". Although it's a nigh impossible tendency to avoid since the past is really all we know.
#8
(12-20-2022, 10:30 PM)holebear Wrote: One of the main points in my personal philosophy is that these things existed in the past and that these steppe ancestors chose to leave that behind, and differentiated into many different peoples; all related but it's aesthetically the wrong way to go, to try to go upstream to something which we've "moved past".

This is a good point on a broader level, to stop valorizing the past as a fetishist desire for simplicity, but it's not convincing enough to suggest that we should drop the steppe entirely. Like guest said, evoking the steppe is a good image of a free and masculinizing environment, similar to BAP's evocation of the open ocean and piracy.
#9
(12-20-2022, 10:40 PM)Datacop Wrote: This is a good point on a broader level, to stop valorizing the past as a fetishist desire for simplicity, but it's not convincing enough to suggest that we should drop the steppe entirely. Like guest said, evoking the steppe is a good image of a free and masculinizing environment, similar to BAP's evocation of the open ocean and piracy.

This entire sentiment of mine towards 'future telos' (someone told me about this 'cindyism' label, no idea what that is) is hampered by the way time works; you can only talk about things in terms of the past.
When I was hanging around the Indian NFT salesman for instance, the people would evoke the late 20th century 'hacker' ideal leading into stuff like BBSs/demoscene/web1.0 and so on; but these suffer the same issue and I hammered on the point of discarding as many holdovers as possible. But what can replace it? Space is a lost future for us but maybe Musk will change that.
#10
It is true that Europeans are partially Aryans, and that Aryans were a steppe people, but you are right that this can be taken in wrong directions by low IQ people.

Obviously a European is more related to the similar Europeans that surround him than he is to some bygone several thousand year old ancestral ethnic group that contributed only in part to his European gene pool.

A European is well advised therefore to base his ethnic propaganda on his own exact ethnic group, or on his broader regional European subtype (e.g Nordic), rather than on "Aryan".

It is true that people often desire for "ancestral founder" myths. However, these myths should be satisfied more so by "the first population that was your population" than by "the oldest possible population you are related to".

For example, English people are about as Early European Farmer as they are Western Steppe Herder. Therefore the "founding English population" occurred when the people of England became that proportion of EEF and WSH.


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