Curtis Yarvin and his Elves

[anthony]

And as for Moldbug's recent activity, yes maybe he should be playing the political animal game. He seems decently well positioned to do so considering he seems relatively financially secure, his name can't get worse with the powers that be, and he's earned the attention and respect of some powerful people. Maybe to some extent we can't see he is playing these games.

I really hope he is. But we talked a few months back and he seemed dejected, talking about how hard it was to get Thiel and others to release money for his cultural projects. (Not that he would tell me if there was some secret project to reform Italy or school Trump in neoreaction, I am nobody.)

That's a shame to hear. I'd be interested in hearing about these cultural projects. I really hope he didn't mean a series of De Vere Balls.

I would love some perhaps politically aligned cultural projects. As I keep saying, creating a little hothouse for retards with no real appeal or power is stupid. But there are lots of brilliant and talented weirdos out there who are currently excluded from creation. There are certain weirdos I think could do a lot with some free money.

UR and Gray Mirror had much more impact on me than Yarvin videos, fun as they are. Of course these debates probably reach a wide audience and send people to those blogs. But now that those blogs are written, should someone of Yarvin's capacity be doing the advertisement work? Something like coordinating journalists (I know a few sympathetic ones) to insert references to Yarvin would work far better.

There's an element of advertisement. It's also its own field. There are people whose engagement with these issues will stay on youtube mostly. Only so many, but they're around. People pass through that to other things and whatever. If Moldbug puts himself up there for an adversarial thing he now stands as a peak of this side of the thing. He only has to do a bit to be a lasting presence there. It's like an extension of what he does at UR and GM. He puts forward the arguments for this side and they're very good. Someone else could, sure. But it's nice to see him put on a direct show. It's kind of impressive in a nerd way.

Now, journalists hyping up the emergence and irresistability of Yarvin thought the same way those kikeslave copywriters did for someone like Andrew Tate, now that would be something. But can one really get much of an impact with the sympathetic journalists? Sympathetic basically means non-establishment here I figure. I have to figure these niche channels are just about saturated with awareness, and that's not really the issue now.

[Guest]

He's trying to stamp his name upon existing observations by passing them through his personal filter of unnecessary statistics, neologisms, and petty contrarianism. But he wouldn't admit this with a gun to his head.

I'm pretty sure you're wrong here, it seems like Bronski disagrees with Moldbug's "observations" as well as thinking they were not performed in good faith or in such a way that could yield true results.

Bronski has more or less proven with data that leftism is entirely genetic and the result of dysgenics. Moldbug claimed leftism was just bad ideas that could be "uninstalled". This was always dumb blank slatism, just as dumb as saying the black white IQ gap is just ideas or environment.

[Guest]

 someone of Yarvin's capacity be doing the advertisement work? Something like coordinating journalists (I know a few sympathetic ones) to insert references to Yarvin would work far better.

Yarvin is not very smart, maybe 120 IQ. He's also Jewish and ugly so he's pretty much lucky to get to live in the US and not Israel or some underground labor camp somewhere

[Guest]

He's trying to stamp his name upon existing observations by passing them through his personal filter of unnecessary statistics, neologisms, and petty contrarianism. But he wouldn't admit this with a gun to his head.

I'm pretty sure you're wrong here, it seems like Bronski disagrees with Moldbug's "observations" as well as thinking they were not performed in good faith or in such a way that could yield true results.

You are seriously retarded, Anthony was not saying Bronski agreed with Moldbug specifically, he was saying that Bronski takes observations and ideas from people who are higher than him, and repackages them in HBD terms to spit to his audience. Very embarrassing to see a HBDfag fail basic reading comprehension.

[Guest]

You are seriously retarded, Anthony was not saying Bronski agreed with Moldbug specifically, he was saying that Bronski takes observations and ideas from people who are higher than him, and repackages them in HBD terms to spit to his audience. Very embarrassing to see a HBDfag fail basic reading comprehension.

Which ideas did he steal from who? My point is he really has destroyed Yarvin's whole schtick and this was highly original work, so it's wrong to say he's just a copycat like BAP, who merely copied Nietzsche. Yarvin is more of a copycat than Bronski, Yarvin pretty much pasted a linear combination of Hayek, Bertrand de Jouvenel, Mosca, Dawkins, and Carlyle, but his braindead fans don't know this because they don't read.

[Guest]

Lmao, I though Anthony’s seemingly deranged paranoia about Bronski always being in the room was just some shtick he played for off-hand laughs. Never doubting Anthony again: lesson learned.

[Guest]

Lmao, I though Anthony’s seemingly deranged paranoia about Bronski always being in the room was just some shtick he played for off-hand laughs. Never doubting Anthony again: lesson learned.

Reverse ad hominem. You're complementing me instead of arguing with me. Not an argument

[Guest who misspelled ‘thought’]

Lmao, I thought Anthony’s seemingly deranged paranoia about Bronski always being in the room was just some shtick he played for off-hand laughs. Never doubting Anthony again: lesson learned.

Reverse ad hominem. You're complementing me instead of arguing with me. Not an argument

Different person, I saw not the one arguing with you. But on that point, just because you said this, in about three hours, I’m gonna come back and critique Bronski’s facile article to hell. Fuck you.

[capgras]

Just placed 1.5 btc on bronski/branson being exposed as a subcon by 2025, I advise everyone to act before bookies wake up

[Guest]

He's trying to stamp his name upon existing observations by passing them through his personal filter of unnecessary statistics, neologisms, and petty contrarianism. But he wouldn't admit this with a gun to his head.

I'm pretty sure you're wrong here, it seems like Bronski disagrees with Moldbug's "observations" as well as thinking they were not performed in good faith or in such a way that could yield true results.

Bronski has more or less proven with data that leftism is entirely genetic and the result of dysgenics. Moldbug claimed leftism was just bad ideas that could be "uninstalled". This was always dumb blank slatism, just as dumb as saying the black white IQ gap is just ideas or environment.

I think Bronski has been prettily handily refuted by others: https://arctotherium.substack.com/p/agai...hypothesis.

[Guest]

He's trying to stamp his name upon existing observations by passing them through his personal filter of unnecessary statistics, neologisms, and petty contrarianism. But he wouldn't admit this with a gun to his head.

I'm pretty sure you're wrong here, it seems like Bronski disagrees with Moldbug's "observations" as well as thinking they were not performed in good faith or in such a way that could yield true results.

Bronski has more or less proven with data that leftism is entirely genetic and the result of dysgenics. Moldbug claimed leftism was just bad ideas that could be "uninstalled". This was always dumb blank slatism, just as dumb as saying the black white IQ gap is just ideas or environment.

I think Bronski has been prettily handily refuted by others: https://arctotherium.substack.com/p/agai...hypothesis.

That article is the equivalent of Kevin Bird's papers trashing the geneticness of the black white IQ gap.

[Bankvole]

I believe that the creation of Soot's "shitty imageboard" was a world-historical event of the same importance as anything that Yarvin has ever done.

I am afraid that this is slightly exaggerated, but it had some importance for the online right because it accelerated the degeneration of right-wing culture that started with the creation of /pol/. Yarvin had the right idea to make right-wing thought palatable to intellectuals, as opposed to its previous incarnation, which targeted thugs and meatheads. And his work indeed ushered in a cultural flourishing of the right-wing, but this was short-lived for reasons I've outlined above.

Firstly Yarvin has a very backwards idea of culture; he sees it as something produced by a "scene" of cosmopolitans living in bonkers hip Bohemias in New York City and going to parties every night. To someone who is not American it is evident that this mode of organisation is outdated.

Not here. But no matter how much I believe they've solved culture the Prague and Brno scene is basically unsalvageable given that it's composed of children of upper middle-class urban liberals who decided that their parents weren't liberal enough and have adopted the worst parts of US progressivism applicable to the Czech Republic. Nonetheless one can dream...

[Muskox]

Yarvin feels that a culture-first approach is necessary. Rather than struggling for political power, one builds a cultural milieu which is cooler than what the establishment has; then the youth and the existing elite join one's side, at which point victory is inevitable. I think this theory is fundamentally correct. But let's look at his idea of culture:

Do you want to plant an acorn? Then send a few coins to my friend Beckett Rosset, who needs to raise just seven grand this week to fund his literary magazine, TENSE. Don’t be a villager! Be a squirrel.

You could also support the Delicious Tacos/Peter Vack film, or lit at Expat Press, or... coming soon, you could even buy my own archives from Passage Press. These days I see approximately a million and two deserving acorns of based art and publishing. Like all real artists, these people are BROKE and a little real coin goes a long-ass way.

(https://graymirror.substack.com/p/acorns...ulture-war)

TENSE mag:
https://beckett.substack.com/

Now, I'm not going to declare these things worthless. But one can say a few things about them straight away. Firstly Yarvin has a very backwards idea of culture; he sees it as something produced by a "scene" of cosmopolitans living in bonkers hip Bohemias in New York City and going to parties every night. To someone who is not American it is evident that this mode of organisation is outdated. It is going extinct in the UK (the London literary scene, for instance, has been irrelevant for about two decades) and has completely vanished from the continent. The New York scene has only outlasted London, Paris, and Berlin because of the vastly greater patronage available in the USA; underlying technological shifts have rendered it irrelevant just the same. Trying to resurrect it or any other scene with injections of money (whether donated by billionaires or grifted from the huddled masses) will only produce monstrosities like The Exhibition.

It is a big step in the right direction. As you note, what's really important is the perception of coolness. I'm not convinced that the "hip urban scene" is obsolete. Nor am I convinced that throwing money at the problem is useless. The cringy and kitschy art of the Exhibition is, unfortunately, a necessary step along the path to creating an environment where actually good art can be made.

[anthony]

Now, I'm not going to declare these things worthless. But one can say a few things about them straight away. Firstly Yarvin has a very backwards idea of culture; he sees it as something produced by a "scene" of cosmopolitans living in bonkers hip Bohemias in New York City and going to parties every night. To someone who is not American it is evident that this mode of organisation is outdated. It is going extinct in the UK (the London literary scene, for instance, has been irrelevant for about two decades) and has completely vanished from the continent. The New York scene has only outlasted London, Paris, and Berlin because of the vastly greater patronage available in the USA; underlying technological shifts have rendered it irrelevant just the same. Trying to resurrect it or any other scene with injections of money (whether donated by billionaires or grifted from the huddled masses) will only produce monstrosities like The Exhibition.

Also outdated, I believe, are the specific forms which he considers 'culture'. Mags and arthouse films have long since lost their power (might be worth someone else exploring why - I don't have the time). Perhaps twenty or even ten years ago it would have been a winning move to fund video games and anime instead. But now all of this is over - Amarna's most discussed games and anime are mostly over five years old.

All that said, why do I say that his theory is correct? And if I think so, why would I advise him to become a political operator? Simple. Cultural power is real, but it isn't held by anything that a reactionary such as Yarvin would recognise as art. The great cultural centres of the last five years have been things like Twitter and 4chan; I believe that the creation of Soot's "shitty imageboard" was a world-historical event of the same importance as anything that Yarvin has ever done. There is not much that one can do to control these places, creating an implicitly political art by fiscal fiat was a loser's game from the start. The mood of the modern world does not run to sculpture and poetry; even educated and poetical people are turning to the defining activity of our time - conspiratorial politics. So use your position to make real art, Mr. Yarvin; become the arch-conspirator and paint your will across this world.

We seem to mostly agree here. Only I'd actually go further and say that we basically have established the new cool. Even along the lines Moldbug wrote of (I forget where exactly and can't be bothered looking right now). We've basically achieved what I remember him describing where only obnoxious toadie faggots repeat the state line. I think that where Moldbug's conceptions of taste really fall down in a way that confuses him politically is underestimating how much of the human race are disgusting toadie faggots. Everything is already downstream from "RW" one way or another. The state has no cool to lean in. It's pure power to truth now and we can see them burning their remaining rep and goodwill at a rate that's shocking even to me as we speak. Look at Ireland. Libtard schoolbitch scolding to force the white slaves back in line is now met by Connor McGregor telling said faggot to kill themselves, to mass applause.

Elon Musk is a gigantic tasteless idiot and faggot (I am still not convinced an indian did not steal a white man's body and fortunes somehow) but he is a great example of the power of political cool at work. Not in his influence. He is a dumb faggot. Only Indians think he is cool. But he thinks we are cool. Fuck trying to fund the next Easy Rider. Elon Musk is an insecure nerd faggot who stumbled into the keys to global consciousness. Bully him. He could create the first genuinely open mass public facing online space. That is what we want. As has been said here many times libtards are completely uncool and have no intellectual muscle left they'll get completely fucking massacred every day until they concede and retreat into the exercise of pure power. These people are terrified of a level playing field. They've been losing for a decade on an absurdly rigged one. We're already cool and superior and all that. We just need leverage. An all-female remake of Easy Rider starring Red Scare about hopepunk street catholicism funded by Peter Thiel will not do anything for us. We don't need it. World Peace was our unopposed cultural victory.




This is where we won. Heil Hitler.

[a system is failing]

Do you want to plant an acorn? Then send a few coins to my friend Beckett Rosset, who needs to raise just seven grand this week to fund his literary magazine, TENSE. Don’t be a villager! Be a squirrel.

You could also support the Delicious Tacos/Peter Vack film, or lit at Expat Press, or... coming soon, you could even buy my own archives from Passage Press. These days I see approximately a million and two deserving acorns of based art and publishing. Like all real artists, these people are BROKE and a little real coin goes a long-ass way.

There's not much I could add to what Anthony already said, the only extra thing to say here is that Yarvin and co's ideas of how to patronize are themselves unfit for their era. It's not the kind of world where a musician needs to pay for studio time to record, or a film maker needs to buy film and expensive cameras to shoot. Anybody of merit who is struck by artistic inspiration is going to have no reason to delay their ambition or idea by first going through kickstarter and demanding X amount of money. Everyone right wing who has made decent enough art has done this, they just take advantage of the accessibility and get right into it. Yarvin obviously does not have the eyes to know where to look, he's stuck in the early 2000s when millennial hipsterism still had some cultural vitality to it. It would be a noble task for someone to figure out how to just get these people in front of Yarvin so he doesn't have to waste time on downstream dust like De Veres.

[Matthew Jim Elliott Groyper]

We seem to mostly agree here. Only I'd actually go further and say that we basically have established the new cool. Even along the lines Moldbug wrote of (I forget where exactly and can't be bothered looking right now). We've basically achieved what I remember him describing where only obnoxious toadie faggots repeat the state line. I think that where Moldbug's conceptions of taste really fall down in a way that confuses him politically is underestimating how much of the human race are disgusting toadie faggots. Everything is already downstream from "RW" one way or another. The state has no cool to lean in. It's pure power to truth now and we can see them burning their remaining rep and goodwill at a rate that's shocking even to me as we speak. Look at Ireland. Libtard schoolbitch scolding to force the white slaves back in line is now met by Connor McGregor telling said faggot to kill themselves, to mass applause.

Elon Musk is a gigantic tasteless idiot and faggot (I am still not convinced an indian did not steal a white man's body and fortunes somehow) but he is a great example of the power of political cool at work. Not in his influence. He is a dumb faggot. Only Indians think he is cool. But he thinks we are cool. Fuck trying to fund the next Easy Rider. Elon Musk is an insecure nerd faggot who stumbled into the keys to global consciousness. Bully him.

Completely true. A co-ordinated campaign of Musk-harassing (approaching the accounts in his Likes tab and asking them to put out anti-censorship,  Musk-critical content) would have immense influence.

There's not much I could add to what Anthony already said, the only extra thing to say here is that Yarvin and co's ideas of how to patronize are themselves unfit for their era. It's not the kind of world where a musician needs to pay for studio time to record, or a film maker needs to buy film and expensive cameras to shoot. Anybody of merit who is struck by artistic inspiration is going to have no reason to delay their ambition or idea by first going through kickstarter and demanding X amount of money. Everyone right wing who has made decent enough art has done this, they just take advantage of the accessibility and get right into it. Yarvin obviously does not have the eyes to know where to look, he's stuck in the early 2000s when millennial hipsterism still had some cultural vitality to it. It would be a noble task for someone to figure out how to just get these people in front of Yarvin so he doesn't have to waste time on downstream dust like De Veres.

If Yarvin started to read his emails (something which a secretary might help with) I can imagine people just writing to him en masse and him dispensing money like a European monarch, gracious refusals and princely handouts (conditional on an one-on-one interview). I think he would find that position rather enjoyable.

[Guest]

Lmao, I thought Anthony’s seemingly deranged paranoia about Bronski always being in the room was just some shtick he played for off-hand laughs. Never doubting Anthony again: lesson learned.

Reverse ad hominem. You're complementing me instead of arguing with me. Not an argument

Different person, I saw not the one arguing with you. But on that point, just because you said this, in about three hours, I’m gonna come back and critique Bronski’s facile article to hell. Fuck you.

“Murdered by Bronskiite death squads… Anthony is next…”

[obscurefish]

Bronski has more or less proven with data that leftism is entirely genetic and the result of dysgenics. Moldbug claimed leftism was just bad ideas that could be "uninstalled". This was always dumb blank slatism, just as dumb as saying the black white IQ gap is just ideas or environment.

Bronski is an idiot. What makes leftism leftism is a particular intellectual content. It's like saying "justice is what courts do". That tells us nothing about what justice is.

[anthony]

Yarvin and Banania talked, kind of forgot about that. From what I hear it wasn't actually that exciting. Not actually that surprising when you consider that Banania mostly believes the same things as Moldbug. 'Monarchy vs Democracy', but Monarchy is when Silicon Valley rules the world and Democracy is when Silicon Valley rules the world.

Would still be interested in hearing how they played off of each other if that ever gets released.