Curtis Yarvin and his Elves
#41
(09-08-2022, 01:38 AM)anthony Wrote:
(09-08-2022, 01:20 AM)Milk Wrote:
(08-03-2022, 06:26 PM)BillyONare Wrote: found only in members of this forum, Insomnia, and some NRx men.

Insomnia? Whats this a reference to?

Icycalm's website/community. His writing is a scattered mess to find and read, but a very sharp and entertaining character.

Thank you.
#42
I immediately assumed that Yarvin was writing entirely out of self-interest when I read about his "Elves" analogy because, of course, Yarvin believes that he is an elf among hobbits. There really isn't any need to read past the second paragraph to understand what he's talking about:

"We know who are the hobbits and who are the elves. We know who is on top and who is on the bottom. (Of dwarves and orcs, we shall not speak.) We know what the elves want: they want to live beautiful lives. We know what the hobbits want: they want to grill and raise kids."

He follows this with "Dear hobbits:" which I find immensely funny. He and his troupe are certainly in a different bracket, but the fact that he uses a hobbit-elf analogy just reveals how far up he has his head stuck up his ass. The "beautiful lives" that Yarvin refers to are the faux-elite cosmopolitan lifestyles that he and his strange friends enjoy. In his mind, the "elite" is the children of rich families that graduated top-20 liberal arts schools and now host quirky balls and poetry slams. They're no better than the email/HR/spreadsheet slaves that post their corporate daycare bar crawl adventures on TikTok. That he thinks that this group wields any real political influence is mind-boggling to me. He's in his late 40s. If he was supposed to inherit political power, he was supposed to have inherited it 20 years ago.
#43
Ctrl+F and Replace Hobbit with "White" and Elf with "Jew". Lets see the results

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Quote:Whites will always be governed by Jews. But they need to be governed by Jews who respect Whites (as well as Jews, Asians and Blacks). Otherwise, the High Jews are offended. The High Jews do not approve of White abuse. It’s really not good to offend the High Jews.

It is pretty clear through a ham-fisted metaphor what he is talking about. Trust the plan in essence.
#44
(09-20-2022, 03:24 PM)MolaRam Wrote: Ctrl+F and Replace Hobbit with "White" and Elf with "Jew".

Where this breaks down is at the part that interests me the most, the creation of new elves. He's referring to a state of consciousness. Socialised, cosmopolitan, self-aware, neurotic. This is very jewish, but not essentially. Basically anybody who has been to higher education and been told to think about their "identity". For example, he says that the new wave of Catholics are "elves", and he's completely right.

But it's of course a very confused piece of work and he trips over himself a few times. The fundamental point that wholesome middle americans have never been the leading governing types and never will be. You need these people operating on a higher level of consciousness, just ones who aren't fucked up and insane.
#45
(09-20-2022, 09:12 PM)anthony Wrote:
(09-20-2022, 03:24 PM)MolaRam Wrote: Ctrl+F and Replace Hobbit with "White" and Elf with "Jew".

Where this breaks down is at the part that interests me the most, the creation of new elves. He's referring to a state of consciousness. Socialised, cosmopolitan, self-aware, neurotic. This is very jewish, but not essentially. Basically anybody who has been to higher education and been told to think about their "identity". For example, he says that the new wave of Catholics are "elves", and he's completely right.

But it's of course a very confused piece of work and he trips over himself a few times. The fundamental point that wholesome middle americans have never been the leading governing types and never will be. You need these people operating on a higher level of consciousness, just ones who aren't fucked up and insane.

But middle americans of course have always been the leading government types, just not at the scale of big Federal Government. 

I think looking at the new wave of Trad-Caths (I can also think about several other groups that are similar vanguardists) they may very well be the kind of big picture and wide thinkers you need to build or construct a movement around but then again you don't control a government or bureaucracy through the top of the pyramid. You need to have the little people; the janitors, teachers, secretaries, IT personnel, all of the people who actually make the system function in order to build a system of control that won't blow over when those people decide to stop supporting your regime. Consent of the governed has never been one of Moldbug's strong suits.

Mr Yarvin quite literally is saying to support and "trust the plan" that whoever is going to be leading this is going to not just make the exact same mistakes or be corrupt in the exact same ways (We have the Trumpenreich as an example of what happens when you cannot get everyone to pull in the same direction). Trust the Dark Elves.
#46
(09-20-2022, 09:42 PM)MolaRam Wrote: But middle americans of course have always been the leading government types, just not at the scale of big Federal Government. 

I think looking at the new wave of Trad-Caths (I can also think about several other groups that are similar vanguardists) they may very well be the kind of big picture and wide thinkers you need to build or construct a movement around but then again you don't control a government or bureaucracy through the top of the pyramid. You need to have the little people; the janitors, teachers, secretaries, IT personnel, all of the people who actually make the system function in order to build a system of control that won't blow over when those people decide to stop supporting your regime. Consent of the governed has never been one of Moldbug's strong suits.

Mr Yarvin quite literally is saying to support and "trust the plan" that whoever is going to be leading this is going to not just make the exact same mistakes or be corrupt in the exact same ways (We have the Trumpenreich as an example of what happens when you cannot get everyone to pull in the same direction). Trust the Dark Elves.

Are you saying that we can call flyover high school teachers 'leading government types'? These people don't matter. Look at how popular resistance to the '68 commie wave was all over the USA. Little people who resist get rolled over. If you don't recognise the below picture, it's the 101st Airborne enforcing racial integration in schools at gunpoint. This guy isn't a pro-equality protestor who got smashed by racists. He's a local and the soldiers did this to him. This is the example Moldbug uses of how power works in America, and it's a great one. Dig the article I got this picture from: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/gab...-rock-nine

Read that framing. How brave the Little Rock 9 were. The ones with the military escorts who it's illegal to dislike. Here's your local resistance against the top.

[Image: https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static...ality=auto]
#47
(09-20-2022, 10:19 PM)anthony Wrote:
(09-20-2022, 09:42 PM)MolaRam Wrote: But middle americans of course have always been the leading government types, just not at the scale of big Federal Government. 

I think looking at the new wave of Trad-Caths (I can also think about several other groups that are similar vanguardists) they may very well be the kind of big picture and wide thinkers you need to build or construct a movement around but then again you don't control a government or bureaucracy through the top of the pyramid. You need to have the little people; the janitors, teachers, secretaries, IT personnel, all of the people who actually make the system function in order to build a system of control that won't blow over when those people decide to stop supporting your regime. Consent of the governed has never been one of Moldbug's strong suits.

Mr Yarvin quite literally is saying to support and "trust the plan" that whoever is going to be leading this is going to not just make the exact same mistakes or be corrupt in the exact same ways (We have the Trumpenreich as an example of what happens when you cannot get everyone to pull in the same direction). Trust the Dark Elves.

Are you saying that we can call flyover high school teachers 'leading government types'? These people don't matter. Look at how popular resistance to the '68 commie wave was all over the USA. Little people who resist get rolled over. If you don't recognise the below picture, it's the 101st Airborne enforcing racial integration in schools at gunpoint. This guy isn't a pro-equality protestor who got smashed by racists. He's a local and the soldiers did this to him. This is the example Moldbug uses of how power works in America, and it's a great one. Dig the article I got this picture from: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/gab...-rock-nine

Read that framing. How brave the Little Rock 9 were. The ones with the military escorts who it's illegal to dislike. Here's your local resistance against the top.

[Image: https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static...ality=auto]

Which is of course only a short part of the entire story which includes both the lead up to the marching into the school, the closure of the public school system for a year and various chaotic incidents throughout the entire period. It was much more than soldiers beating down opposition (and frankly I would say that the people of Little Rock ended up winning the confrontation while the NAACP very clearly lost the confrontation by having to throw nine black bodies into a meat grinder).

But anyway, yes. They are the ones who have to actually administer the school functions aren't they (teachers in the school). They very much do matter because without the foot soldiers (teachers and basic administrative personnel) you cannot have a school, you have a building. They matter, the IT staff matters, the Secretaries, Janitors and everyone else who has access or control matters. A clerk in a small desk at a government department matters. What really doesn't matter is who is at the head of the leviathan that is Government at scale. You do not really get to march through institutions, what is closer to reality is that the leadership are marched through the institution. Executives have almost no power to do anything but slightly steer the ship on the course it already is on and change takes much longer on a timeline to effect than simply swapping in one set of elves for another.
#48
(09-20-2022, 11:25 PM)MolaRam Wrote: Which is of course only a short part of the entire story which includes both the lead up to the marching into the school, the closure of the public school system for a year and various chaotic incidents throughout the entire period. It was much more than soldiers beating down opposition (and frankly I would say that the people of Little Rock ended up winning the confrontation while the NAACP very clearly lost the confrontation by having to throw nine black bodies into a meat grinder).

But anyway, yes. They are the ones who have to actually administer the school functions aren't they (teachers in the school). They very much do matter because without the foot soldiers (teachers and basic administrative personnel) you cannot have a school, you have a building. They matter, the IT staff matters, the Secretaries, Janitors and everyone else who has access or control matters. A clerk in a small desk at a government department matters. What really doesn't matter is who is at the head of the leviathan that is Government at scale. You do not really get to march through institutions, what is closer to reality is that the leadership are marched through the institution. Executives have almost no power to do anything but slightly steer the ship on the course it already is on and change takes much longer on a timeline to effect than simply swapping in one set of elves for another.

So how did this ultimately happen according to you?
#49
Well you had Orval Faubus (You might call him a Dark elf) and Eisenhower (a high elf) and they in essence had a disagreement about who was following the decrees of the Supreme Court (An elvish council). The elvish Governor had whipped up his hobbits to prevent a bunch of orcs from attending a school in middle earth even after the local school district had agreed to comply with the demands of the elvish council. The High Elfs took away the governors elvish guard and left him with what amounted to a mob of hobbits to command to attempt to complete his goals.

Even writing this I had to cringe because Yarvin's framework feels like it sounds.

I don't disagree that you need leadership but Yarvin seems to think that all that matters is being in charge of the top of an organization and then somehow whipping organizations together like a CEO who is cutting entire departments and functions. But organizations and social groupings don't always respect authority 1:1 which is why even when you do something like federalize the national guard to enforce your will you can still end up with the city population taking the game board away by closing the high schools and sending the students home for an entire year (and paying the teachers to sit for the entire year in empty classrooms).
#50
(09-21-2022, 12:48 AM)MolaRam Wrote: Well you had Orval Faubus (You might call him a Dark elf) and Eisenhower (a high elf) and they in essence had a disagreement about who was following the decrees of the Supreme Court (An elvish council). The elvish Governor had whipped up his hobbits to prevent a bunch of orcs from attending a school in middle earth even after the local school district had agreed to comply with the demands of the elvish council. The High Elfs took away the governors elvish guard and left him with what amounted to a mob of hobbits to command to attempt to complete his goals.

Even writing this I had to cringe because Yarvin's framework feels like it sounds.

I don't disagree that you need leadership but Yarvin seems to think that all that matters is being in charge of the top of an organization and then somehow whipping organizations together like a CEO who is cutting entire departments and functions. But organizations and social groupings don't always respect authority 1:1 which is why even when you do something like federalize the national guard to enforce your will you can still end up with the city population taking the game board away by closing the high schools and sending the students home for an entire year (and paying the teachers to sit for the entire year in empty classrooms).

The way you write about this one might figure that the classrooms are still empty. That situation resolved. Total Elf Victory.
#51
(09-20-2022, 09:12 PM)anthony Wrote: For example, he says that the new wave of Catholics are "elves", and he's completely right.

How so? The groypers are innumerate sexless feminist fagots that gossip all day and the non-groyper tradcaths are that x 10. At best Nick and like half of his inner circle are dark elves. Which is maybe four people. All of the smart and sensitive people are driven out by the rank and file faggots and the boringness of being able to predict whatever Nick will say after watching him for a few hours.
#52
(09-21-2022, 06:13 PM)BillyONare Wrote:
(09-20-2022, 09:12 PM)anthony Wrote: For example, he says that the new wave of Catholics are "elves", and he's completely right.

How so? The groypers are innumerate sexless feminist fagots that gossip all day and the non-groyper tradcaths are that x 10. At best Nick and like half of his inner circle are dark elves. Which is maybe four people. All of the smart and sensitive people are driven out by the rank and file faggots and the boringness of being able to predict whatever Nick will say after watching him for a few hours.

Most of Yarvin's "elves" are useless retarded faggots too. The point is that these are people who live higher on the pyramid of needs. Internet Catholicism is pursuit of belonging and self actualisation.
#53
I like this chart:

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#54
(09-22-2022, 08:47 PM)BillyONare Wrote: I like this chart:

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An interesting chart and I'd wager the average nigger stops developing at around step 2.

(09-20-2022, 09:12 PM)anthony Wrote: Where this breaks down is at the part that interests me the most, the creation of new elves. He's referring to a state of consciousness. Socialised, cosmopolitan, self-aware, neurotic. This is very jewish, but not essentially. Basically anybody who has been to higher education and been told to think about their "identity". For example, he says that the new wave of Catholics are "elves", and he's completely right.

A very good point. I think it would be worth quoting some of what he says on that at length in his piece about the social roles.
Quote:For instance, the standard “e-tradcath” is an elf. He may think he is a hobbit; he may even share his church with hobbits; he is (like me) a dark elf. The hobbit has rejected modernity; having entered it, the most an elf can do is to criticize it. The stain will never wash off. Adam and Eve can neither un-eat the apple, nor remain in the Garden.

The trad is not necessarily less Catholic (or Orthodox—destination of the real trads) for all this. Indeed converts in all religions are known for their fanatical faith. Still, his purpose in becoming a trad is the central elf purpose: self-actualization. The cradle Catholic, whose faith is a function of hereditary inertia, never makes this choice.

Moldbug's elves are people who inhabit a certain state of (self-)consciousness that's lacking in the average person, and is ingratiated in a certain cosmopolitan culture. Even if you decide to go homesteading after getting your university degree and 'turn your back' on society, you'll always be inhabiting a certain worldview that's above the average man's. It makes sense because of his obsession with history and literature and films: to him, belonging to this higher class is about being involved in a specific social milieu that's a product of the European intellectual and artistic tradition. The hobits can have their football and tailgates, or their rap music and strip clubs, the elves will be elsewhere. Of course this seems hilarious when you look at something by the De Vere Ball, but I don't necessarily disagree with the fact that having a higher cultural standard and a state of self-awareness are obvious marks of being 'more elite.'
#55
i've always found it interesting that niggers (and lower animals in general) physically mature much faster, but even while higher animals develop more slowly, whites still outpace niggers in terms of mental development. perhaps the metabolic resources are allocated to one thing at the expense of the other.
#56
(09-22-2022, 10:29 PM)parsifal Wrote: i've always found it interesting that niggers (and lower animals in general) physically mature much faster, but even while higher animals develop more slowly, whites still outpace niggers in terms of mental development. perhaps the metabolic resources are allocated to one thing at the expense of the other.

Kant has an interesting point relating to this in his 'Physical Geography' which I will quote at length here:
Immanuel Kant Wrote: In the torrid zones, humans mature more quickly in all aspects than in the temperate zones, but they fail to reach the same [degree of] perfection. Humanity has its highest degree of perfection in the white race. The yellow Indians have a somewhat lesser talent. The Negroes are much lower, and lowest of all is part of the American races.

The Moors and other people of the tropics can in general run astonishingly quickly. Like other savages, they usually have greater strength than other, civilized people, which is due to the free movement they are allowed in childhood. The Hottentots can perceive a ship with the naked eye at the same distance that a European can with a telescope. Women in the hottest regions conceive children from the time that they are nine or ten, and cease by the time they are twenty-five. 

Don Ulloa notes that in Cartagena in America and the surrounding regions the people become very clever very early, but their reason does not continue to grow at the same rate thereafter.
#57
Perhaps this belongs to a different thread, it has nothing to do with Moldbug but I've been thinking about online attitudes towards elves.
We know that the fouler fantasy races such as orcs are derivative of blacks and that the tall, fair elves are nordic.
It should surprise no one then that subreddits such as r/ElderScrolls and r/teslore harbour a resentment against high elves. They, after all, have heads full of hair. It's the same as what was pointed out a while ago about action movies - aging norwoods beat the youthful blonde men. There is a larpy bitterness for 'piss elfs' that doesn't seem too far removed from the safe racism of 'bullying' specific European races - 'this account is not a safe space for the fr*nch' - you know what I mean. It's no different in these communities, where the higher races are attacked for being just that. You don't see this directed to the DARK elves. This occured much more after Skyrim where Bethesda decided to make them Nazis with colonial hunger.

What is more surprising however, is this train of thought finds its place among 'RW Twitter' also. I've seen a number of accounts likening the high elves of TES to the Jews. How do the tall, blonde and clever altmer resemble the kikes of our own world? I guess because they practiced Realpolitik and upset the wholesome world order.
Skyrim resonated greatly with the Scandinavian Wignats (with a capital W, Varg etc) of the Trump era, where they were inspired to fend off the foreign invaders of their land so that they could go back to being a decaying backwater in peace. This is the Salo Forum mindset, or since we're on the subject, the hobbit mindset. Bereft of imperial prospects, they see any expansive race with these ambitions as ontologically evil.
Of course, in the TES games there has always been a colonial empire of Man, so why would Elven aggression be seen as differently?
There is a distasteful element that I'm having trouble putting into words. "Humanity, fuck yeah!" I suppose it's the reddit habit to identify with lower forms of humanity (mere men, beards) rather than the high (elves, clean shaven).
#58
"muh name kagrenac"

it's not particularly surprising that people see thalmor:empire :: jews:[existing world order], but i don't see a way to position the aldmeri dominion-empire conflict within said analogy (a possibility: WW2, with the USSR, Britain, USA constituting the Jewish Supremacist State)

(10-01-2022, 08:10 AM)Oldblood Wrote: Of course, in the TES games there has always been a colonial empire of Man, so why would Elven aggression be seen as differently?
There is a distasteful element that I'm having trouble putting into words. "Humanity, fuck yeah!" I suppose it's the reddit habit to identify with lower forms of humanity (mere men, beards) rather than the high (elves, clean shaven).

These 'elves' are cheap derivatives of the original race created by Tolkien, mere caricatures who are held in rightful disdain. TES 'elves' aren't conquerors with an imperialist mindset, they're thieves and corruptors who have taken over the real empire (the Cyrodiilian one) through subterfuge, not conquest, and have outlawed the worship of a deified conquering emperor (Talos), because the goyim were using religion to facilitate dissent. There's nothing wrong with the players taking the side of men who look like them (fair skinned and blonde Nords) instead of alien-faced motherfuckers who also happen to have blonde hair.
You could claim that humans are lower than elves within the frame of Tolkien's setting (where such a point can be made, since the quality that elevates the Numenoreans above their fellow men is the presence of elven blood), but it's not always meant to be so in others.

above guest, elves did crush the empire via warfare.
#59
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He doesn't seem to miss her much, what with the dominatrix whore replacement a few months after Jennifer's death, the whore's impregnation, and now their estrangement due to Moldberg's adultery with a "eunuch choirboy" tranny.

(09-20-2022, 11:25 PM)MolaRam Wrote: But anyway, yes. They are the ones who have to actually administer the school functions aren't they (teachers in the school). They very much do matter because without the foot soldiers (teachers and basic administrative personnel) you cannot have a school, you have a building. They matter, the IT staff matters, the Secretaries, Janitors and everyone else who has access or control matters. A clerk in a small desk at a government department matters. What really doesn't matter is who is at the head of the leviathan that is Government at scale. You do not really get to march through institutions, what is closer to reality is that the leadership are marched through the institution. Executives have almost no power to do anything but slightly steer the ship on the course it already is on and change takes much longer on a timeline to effect than simply swapping in one set of elves for another.

You think the 100 IQ are the real drivers of history? How do you think that works?

(09-22-2022, 10:29 PM)parsifal Wrote: i've always found it interesting that niggers (and lower animals in general) physically mature much faster, but even while higher animals develop more slowly, whites still outpace niggers in terms of mental development. perhaps the metabolic resources are allocated to one thing at the expense of the other.

Look up r selection vs. K selection. Classic HBD stuff. If you haven't learned all of HBD, you really should. Very very important stuff.
#60
(09-08-2022, 01:38 AM)anthony Wrote:
(09-08-2022, 01:20 AM)Milk Wrote:
(08-03-2022, 06:26 PM)BillyONare Wrote: found only in members of this forum, Insomnia, and some NRx men.

Insomnia? Whats this a reference to?

Icycalm's website/community. His writing is a scattered mess to find and read, but a very sharp and entertaining character.

Just found out about this guy. He's a grifter and an idiot. What he says is based, but he only says it for $$ and it doesn't go beyond rants intellectually.


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