Curtis Yarvin and his Elves

[AryanGenius1488]

You think the 100 IQ are the real drivers of history? How do you think that works?

The same way that works in every government in history. You can’t build revolutions without having the people to run the machinery of government (see Trump). If you lack the people to run a government you will lose. It’s not just a brain trust at the top that you need to wield power, you also need foot soldiers and likely more foot soldiers than you would think. Generals without armies don’t win battles.

I'm confused why you place agency on the arm instead of the brain? A limbless body can't move but limbs don't move themselves.

[MolaRam]

You think the 100 IQ are the real drivers of history? How do you think that works?

The same way that works in every government in history. You can’t build revolutions without having the people to run the machinery of government (see Trump). If you lack the people to run a government you will lose. It’s not just a brain trust at the top that you need to wield power, you also need foot soldiers and likely more foot soldiers than you would think. Generals without armies don’t win battles.

I'm confused why you place agency on the arm instead of the brain? A limbless body can't move but limbs don't move themselves.

Because the core of this whole discussion (or what started it at least) was Yarvin moaning that if we just let "Elves" run everything it would work out fine and the right wing would get exactly what it desires in the end (just grilling or something, etc.). However the left has both generals and armies. I suspect that as Project Veritas has illustrated through their videos they can get both foot soldiers and middle management to openly speak about both their ambitions and their belief in the plan as it may be. What does the right wing have for brain trusts? We have the establishment think tank set who write policy and fraternize with the left at cocktail parties and bathhouse functions to keep their social positioning high, Yarvin and many other bloggers/tweeters, and nothing else really to write home about. We don't have academia, even nominally right wing industries have many leftists in their management and the cultural impact of a right wing is irrelevancy.

It's fine to speak about the need for a brain sure, but you need metaphorical arms and legs. Look at all of the damage that career employees were able to inflict when Trump was President. For every Deputy Director of some agency that was #resistance there were dozens of mid-level and hundreds of low-level employees who could frustrate policy goals. Yarvin seems to believe that his Dark Elves have some sort of magic words that can allow them to simply avoid restless limb syndrome at a governmental level.

As a dissident, winning the culture war means establishing cultural dominance, which means becoming fashionable. Culture is still downstream from power, but your hobbit coup will go way better if you have a beefy fifth column within the elf ruling class—and a hidden cadre of dark elves who can emerge to rule the future.

At Yarvin's core what he hopes is that Elves (I'm still sure this is a poorly disguised dog whistle for Jew) will accept that as long as some other members of their middle earth race who have different opinions on how to run and control the population are simply the same race this will be acceptable for the ruling race. This means that as long as this fifth column is waiting and lurking in bathhouse corners there will always be a chance for them to take over and implement the dark elves goals or something. I don't see that ending with anything but a bunch of grifters on top (similarly appointed as the last set thrown out), with a similar disinterest in doing anything practical of the business of running government which I have to remind you becomes ever more complex and less able to be wrangled the longer any ruling class dithers and waits around with their hands in their pockets leering.

[AryanGenius1488]

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>It's fine to speak about the need for a brain sure, but you need metaphorical arms and legs. Look at all of the damage that career employees were able to inflict when Trump was President. For every Deputy Director of some agency that was #resistance there were dozens of mid-level and hundreds of low-level employees who could frustrate policy goals. Yarvin seems to believe that his Dark Elves have some sort of magic words that can allow them to simply avoid restless limb syndrome at a governmental level.

We have Trump voters that can replace the retarded cog Clinton voters. Not that you need to, because the retards have no agency. You sound like a commie when you assume otherwise. DMV employees did not interfere with the Blumpf administration via heckin brave grassroots resistance, the cogs obeyed and Trump's problem was his cabinet, Party elites, Congress and the whole media and elite apparatus outside the government that trolled him 24/7 every day.

[MolaRam]

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>It's fine to speak about the need for a brain sure, but you need metaphorical arms and legs. Look at all of the damage that career employees were able to inflict when Trump was President. For every Deputy Director of some agency that was #resistance there were dozens of mid-level and hundreds of low-level employees who could frustrate policy goals. Yarvin seems to believe that his Dark Elves have some sort of magic words that can allow them to simply avoid restless limb syndrome at a governmental level.

We have Trump voters that can replace the retarded cog Clinton voters. Not that you need to, because the retards have no agency. You sound like a commie when you assume otherwise. DMV employees did not interfere with the Blumpf administration via heckin brave grassroots resistance, the cogs obeyed and Trump's problem was his cabinet, Party elites, Congress and the whole media and elite apparatus outside the government that trolled him 24/7 every day.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/schedule-f-u...resurgence

Trump was quite literally putting together the machinery to correct the exact issues I am talking about by moving currently career positions into a new employee category (schedule F). In the Federal Government alone they had something like 40K+ positions they wanted to shift from career employees to political appointees (the so called DMV employees). I think you would have to be blind or ignorant to think that those positions might have had an impact on the functioning of the executive branch.

[AryanGenius1488]

More exposure and astroturfing for Yarvin's retarded trash: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/...ll-moldbug

News articles like this have been written for over half a decade. Being friends with Peter Thiel has its benefits.

[MolaRam]

Considering Urbit is a complete failure I think Thiel is an arms-reach friend at best if you could call him that. Maybe an acquaintance? In a decade where even the most threadbare of projects were funded Moldbug was unable to make jack-diddly squat. Yarvin appeals to the same coastal journowhore elite who keep talking about GAMERGATE almost a decade later (they also keep giving the leather daddy renegade boogie man attention too…)

[AryanGenius1488]

Considering Urbit is a complete failure I think Thiel is an arms-reach friend at best if you could call him that. Maybe an acquaintance? In a decade where even the most threadbare of projects were funded Moldbug was unable to make jack-diddly squat. Yarvin appeals to the same coastal journowhore elite who keep talking about GAMERGATE almost a decade later (they also keep giving the leather daddy renegade boogie man attention too…)

Urbit's not a complete failure, prices keep rising afaik. Thiel paid Yarvin to start UR and has been astroturfing it since 2007. Yarvin was well connected before UR and that's why it was propped up to succeed, his innate appeal is very low -- he's too long winded and substanceless even for midwit appeal. Jim, BAP, even Spandrell are all obviously superior and enjoyed a fraction of the success. Moldbug minus Spandrell success is a minimum estimate of the extent to which Moldbug is astroturfed.

[anthony]

Good news Podheads. New dose of entertaining insight to goon to. Let's get the dopamine flowing.




Yes the Ben Burgis. I haven't watched yet but I expect this to be great fun. Just the thumbnail makes me laugh.

[anthony]

Moldbug and BAP just had a talk which I listened to last night. Was tired and just wanted to pass some time. All stuff I know each of them believe, but I appreciated that the focus of the discussion was on human quality and what is best for people. Generally and broadly I agree with Moldbug on this, but BAP did a good job of pushing him on the Hobbits and Elves framing which came up again. BAP raising the point which has come up here, and which I agree with, that the elves have degenerated beyond being "degenerate nobles" as Moldbug calls them. They're retarded. Humanity will not get value from their self actualisation anymore in most cases.

I agree with the general elf and hobbit framing in theory. There is baseline humanity who should be kept at a baseline and a kind of natural aristocracy who should be self actualising and reaching extremes. But Moldbug is very optimistic/deluded about the extent to which a natural split still asserts itself in the modern world. As I've raised in this thread, he himself acknowledges that a serious problem is trying to uplift the baseline. What I believe, and I believe BAP thinks too, is that most of our Elves in 2023 are just poorly uplifted hobbits with heads full of ideas too big for them who are now ravaged by imposter syndrome and destroying society and culture with their retardation. And his dark elves are a bunch of hobbits too. Everyone at the de vere ball looks retarded and lifeless except for Moldbug himself. Anybody who's idea of lively culture is repeating the 60s down to location and works is not a dark elf. If I were to summon prime Andy Warhol to 2023 where would he rather be? There or here? Or in some entirely new place of his own creation?

[Guest]

 If I were to summon prime Andy Warhol to 2023 where would he rather be? There or here? Or in some entirely new place of his own creation?

Ok I’ll bite, what’s so great about Andy Warhol? I looked him up and his shoe paintings are nice but everything else is stuff I would assume you’d hate. What specifically made you think he had the capacity to create his own worlds?

[anthony]

Ok I’ll bite, what’s so great about Andy Warhol? I looked him up and his shoe paintings are nice but everything else is stuff I would assume you’d hate. What specifically made you think he had the capacity to create his own worlds?

I like him because he took a completely rotten cultural scene (New York Modern Art) and completely broke it. That scene was senile WASPs and anxious tasteless Jews giving free money to retarded communist hack posers for their garbage, which a separate class of Jew poser striver "critics" advertised as bleeding edge aesthetic taste and insight. Warhol broke into this, used the critics line of reasoning against them and started selling kitsch and popular, readily consumable junk which was both easier to make, and frankly far more pleasing than what was coming before, as the new and superior bleeding edge. He hijacked a jew communist shadow money and cultural soft power racket and made it his own playground. Amazing Sigma Male personal success story. As for the "art" itself, it aspired to be modern and bleeding edge, which naturally means it existed to be surpassed. And it has been. There's no lasting interest there. But the spirit he worked in should be a lasting example to us. And was it even interesting in its time? Frankly I would go further than the art scene dared and say gallery art was dead and over by that point. The pop-artists were putting comic panels in museums, they should have gone further and said to just read comics. Even better, they should have told people to read Japanese ones. That is of course what a real and organic cultural bleeding edge looks like. Not that America was devoid of its own either at this time of course. A few interesting filmmakers still existed. Who gives a shit about anything in a gallery when you have an up and coming Brian De Palma? But now I seem to be off track.

Warhol's work was novel, but only really interesting in context. I don't really want to go back and appreciate it now like I do certain other works of equal age. He's interesting as a historical figure to me. He did create his own world. You could say he was basically the Dimes Square of his own age, but he was subverting and stealing energy from leftism, which makes all the difference. His movement was sort of like guerilla resistance to fag poser jew cultural imposition and hegemony. While Dimes Square exists to steal the limited life-force of the very weak and ailing remaining founts of potential cultural energy left in the world. Do you appreciate where I'm coming from here?

[Guest]

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 Do you appreciate where I'm coming from here?

Yeah, I won’t lie and say I didn’t smile when I read the story behind the Campbell’s soup can painting. In that way he was an interesting figure. 

[Guest]

retarded b8

the big problem with this is there are no Moldberg fans with IQs over 2 SD. He uniquely appeals to stupid people who need narratives instead of statistics, and has been embarrassingly intellectually slaughtered by HBD people in recent years. He was wrong about basically everything, including le cathedral, super-Protestantism, Dawkins memetics, bitcoin, elite theory (we live in a real democracy), and this is because he was always a fucking loser talking out his ass.

[BillyONare]

Links to these debunkings? I'm interested.

[anthony]

Links to these debunkings? I'm interested.

https://www.josephbronski.com/p/exousiol...beta-10-is

https://www.josephbronski.com/p/why-phil...is-invalid

[BillyONare]

fuck lol

[Guest]

[SNIP]

I don’t know much about these personalities, is he actually this retarded or is he grifting to the Reddit Atheism subgroup of the alt right?

[anthony]

[SNIP]

I don’t know much about these personalities, is he actually this retarded or is he grifting to the Reddit Atheism subgroup of the alt right?

I'll put it this way. I suspect you may be Joseph Bronski. He is the kind of person who would come here anonymously and ask us for a quick rundown on himself knowing he is not liked here.

[Guest]

[SNIP]

I don’t know much about these personalities, is he actually this retarded or is he grifting to the Reddit Atheism subgroup of the alt right?

I'll put it this way. I suspect you may be Joseph Bronski. He is the kind of person who would come here anonymously and ask us for a quick rundown on himself knowing he is not liked here.

I am not Joseph Bronski (though I suppose I can’t prove this one way or the other). I do still want to know if he’s grifting or retarded, though looking at your post you probably see him as the latter.

[anthony]

I am not Joseph Bronski (though I suppose I can’t prove this one way or the other). I do still want to know if he’s grifting or retarded, though looking at your post you probably see him as the latter.

He is kind of grifting and not. He's not a cynic out for your money. He wants to be a respected intellectual figure. He's quite opposed to what he sees as manipulation and grift, but his intellectual  work is, to my cynical eyes, a manipulative path of shortcuts and attempts at stealing glory. But at the same time I believe the first and most convinced with this crap is Bronski himself. He's trying to stamp his name upon existing observations by passing them through his personal filter of unnecessary statistics, neologisms, and petty contrarianism. But he wouldn't admit this with a gun to his head.

I obviously linked him as a joke, but if the poster who believes moldbug is refuted would like to share real examples I would be very interested in seeing them.

And as for Moldbug's recent activity, yes maybe he should be playing the political animal game. He seems decently well positioned to do so considering he seems relatively financially secure, his name can't get worse with the powers that be, and he's earned the attention and respect of some powerful people. Maybe to some extent we can't see he is playing these games. And on the other hand, consider the assets I just listed, he is doing rather well. His life is not defined by encounters with pigs like Burgis. He did a weird run of podcasts with 2000 regular listeners saying the same thing over and over again, maybe that's a tactic to cast wide for a time, kind of hold between events and get some more attention. You can say that's a waste, I don't know what he had going on at the time.

As for the Burgis talk in particular, I think there's great value in that particular one. Yes, Burgis is a retarded pig. But he's also meant to be something of a big gun for internet nigger communism. He wrote the book on using philosophy, facts, and logic to own ben shapiro. Yarvin obviously didn't take this guy seriously and was just having fun teasing out how hard his values get owned by reality. A big public clash and humiliation like this isn't going to convince Burgis fans. But if you take a curious intelligent male (the only people who matter as minds) who isn't yet settled in these matters of politics and ideas, if he's an autist who still believes in debate and whatever, he gets excited by conflict. If he sees this what's he going to think? By occasionally making a showing in a more adversarial setting against libtards this leaves a nice standing reminder for the internet that when it comes to making a case the libtards have nothing. The minds of their movements get obliterated as hard as random stupid women on twitter who catch the attention of Steve Sailer. They don't have minds. Mind is incompatible. Moldbug keeps talking about cool. Yeah, he's an old nerd, but an old guy who can effortlessly humiliate people who hate him. That's nerd-cool. Which in the battle for minds is what's needed.