Gaming Dysgenics
#41
(01-15-2023, 08:44 AM)Guest Wrote: "Video games are about exercising judgment, discernment, and cultivating taste" - LOL! Granny must've done a number on you... SOME video games - very few, but some - have aesthetic merit in one or two criterion, but fail to deliver across all metrics: a game can deliver on gameplay, and music, but not gameplay, music, graphics, AND story. The Nazi Philosopher Sam Hyde has actually recently talked about this, and I believe it to be true; video games are the LOWEST form of art, because by their nature, they are required to deliver on all fronts, meaning the end-product becomes diluted, or held back, from reaching any higher form.

You really aren't getting it. It's not a question of 'which games', by playing them and drawing your own opinions and tastes and conclusions at all you are exercising dsicernment. Speaking of discernment, you seem to think SAM FUCKING HYDE of all people has anything to do with high and low distinctions between pieces of art, so you're clearly an aesthetically bankrupt retard.

You can't seperate the gamer from the right wing for the simple reason that gaming and gaming forums are what taught them to be viciously opinionated and insistent about their own viewpoint and tastes. That's the essence of gamergate, people were disgusted at the artistic DEMERIT of being forced to inject queers and social justice politics into an art form they took seriously. You can mock them all you want for attaching themselves to what are akin to "toys" and laugh at them for being inferior to whoever else, but they'll always remain relevant simply for the fact they actually care enough to say "no, this thing has to be a certain way and its not up for debate" whereas all your super cool producitivtyChads just put their head down and question fucking nothing and hope that inflation and political instability are just myths made up by nerds and outcasts and won't threaten their failing, dismal social order which none of them even seem to actually enjoy at this point anyway.
#42
(01-15-2023, 08:44 AM)Guest Wrote: "..."

Where to even start with this hyperselfaware yet ignorant self loathing mountain of neurotic feces?

Let's go line by line maybe.

Quote:SOME video games - very few, but some - have aesthetic merit in one or two criterion, but fail to deliver across all metrics: a game can deliver on gameplay, and music, but not gameplay, music, graphics, AND story.
We aren't professional writers of consumer guides here, so we have no reason to break games down into their base elements and rate them piece by piece. Frankly I don't even understand why the consumer guides started doing that. But normal people are used to it so they've decided it's good and how it's done now. Then there's the question of how you can feel so confident dismissing an entire decades old media which you don't like as doomed to failure forever. You talk about video games relative to other forms of art, but I have the feeling you wouldn't have anything intelligent to say about any of them.

Quote:video games are the LOWEST form of art, because by their nature, they are required to deliver on all fronts, meaning the end-product becomes diluted, or held back, from reaching any higher form.

I don't see how this line of thinking flows. If anything it sounds like video games are the potentially highest form of art, because by their nature they are multimedia, they combine and subsume other older and more refined media. They should and generally do aspire to deliver on all fronts. This doesn't make dilution inevitable. It often happens, but there's no rule here. And I really don't think we can name many games where it's obvious that element A had to suffer to accommodate element B.

Wait I just read that again, "meaning the end-product becomes diluted, or held back, from reaching any higher form." What? Did you have a stroke while writing this part? What are you trying to say? A higher form is simpler?

Quote:And besides, it's not as if three-year old you was playing Nintendo for its artistic contributions - you did it to get away from nan.

I had plenty of other rooms to hide in, but they didn't have Nintendo.

Quote:Any meaning you're prescribing to video games here is just a retrospective on your behalf to glorify what was for all intents and purposes a TIME-SINK.

I don't think you're using these words properly but I still sort of see where you're going. You can make this case and nobody can make a definite case against it. We can't plug into my brain and measure the exact experiences which influenced which aspects and attitudes of my current self. I'm not bothered by this because while on one hand you're trying to dismiss experiences I consider important, on the other you're expressing extraordinary faith in my innate character.

Quote:Please, in the future, practice some humility, and stop acting like such a dysgenic, bro.
Defusing stupid things you say by self awarely doubling down as a joke bro haha imagine caring doesn't work. Especially not here. Same for calling Sam Hyde a philosopher. Yes we all know he's not, but you're still the one who invokes him as an authority, even if you joke about it.
#43
I was invoking Sam Hyde because he's a public figure, and there's a clip of him making the point - that I agree with - that I relayed to you, and I didn't want you thinking it was my own idea. It has nothing to do with his merit as an artist. It was also an attempt at injecting some levity into this thread, but I don't think it worked...
#44
(01-15-2023, 09:06 AM)anthony Wrote:
(01-15-2023, 07:47 AM)Svevlad Wrote: Some good video games have them (GTA San Andreas for example) to no detriment thoughever

Show me niggers on the rockstar development team. Aside from the voice actors who they treated like mic-slaves, picking audio-cotton in the recording booth for their english masters. As all voice actors deserve to be treated.

Ah, if we're talking about the development and not the content, then yes - no women, no niggers on an absolute basis.
#45
(01-15-2023, 06:21 PM)Guest Wrote: I was invoking Sam Hyde because he's a public figure, and there's a clip of him making the point - that I agree with - that I relayed to you, and I didn't want you thinking it was my own idea. It has nothing to do with his merit as an artist. It was also an attempt at injecting some levity into this thread, but I don't think it worked...

Not an argument.
#46
The current Final Fantasy situation is a good example of dysgenics in action. For some reason, "gameplay" maximalists are strangely wearing the suit of "old" FF fans. It contradicts itself and yet it continues.

Meanwhile, the presentation, as well as the individual pieces of art and music, are blindly praised. Why? Because that is what the "old" games were praised for. But the new fans themselves say that all that matters is this gameplay, or "ability to make a combo video."

Square Enix chose this path themselves of course, they willingly molded a herd audience by taking the MMO route long ago. Blizzard did the same.

In this, I think divergence shows itself in an interesting fashion. MMOs have a relatively small market size, but they make up for it in frequency of purchases. (High RFM being the reason for this.) Still, the larger market shows itself to still be somewhat healthy. Elden Ring's success being the prime example of this. But those companies that took the dark path of MMO, I don't think those audiences will ever "recover". But they will separate themselves, since they will be easy to retrain into the same hamster wheel by anyone who chooses to make one.

Maybe, in the long run, this will actually have a beneficial effect on the form as a whole. Those who take the dark path are doomed (producer and consumer) to it forever. But those who avoid it can avoid all of those who might "fall" into such places anyhow.
#47
(05-09-2022, 12:55 PM)BillyONare Wrote: Nietzsche would say that you are an pseudo intellectual artfagot and that you shouldn’t put words in his mouth.

I don't see how Verl is wrong, the obsession with shallow meaningless fiction is spiritually subversive and has reduced a vast portion of modern men to babbling moonstruck "Lebensunwertes" so to speak. At best it draws hours of one's life into meaningless clicking or staring at a screen, and at worst has underlying themes that are directly subversive in nature. That isn't to say fiction itself is innately subversive, just commercialized judaized fiction, a category which Doom happens to fit into (along with nearly all other modern media).
#48
"Gameplay maximalists"

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#49
The current Summer Fest has been a great example of gaming dysgenics in action:

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#50
(06-11-2023, 05:39 PM)Illustrious Wrote: The current Summer Fest has been a great example of gaming dysgenics in action:

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I had great laughter when this hambeast declared her preferred playstyle for Toddkino was "stealth". Bethesda seemed to have better developer physiognomy than the rest of the show... but that's not saying much.
#51
To address the question of the OP. I can name several causes:

1. Attempts to bring in new female audiences. This has been a major goal of game design since the PS3/Xbox One era. It has worked to some degree - not though not nearly as much as was hoped. That said - games like Sims, Minecraft, Fornite, Skyrim, and Final Fantasy are very popular amongst women. My overall observations indicate women enjoy light fantasy games with attractive or cutesy characters, but many will get turned off if it is too anime.

2. Games used to be made by male nerds for male nerds. "Holy shit, that would be cool to play. We should absolutely add it to the game." - Now games are largely designed by marketing teams. Of course, the same is true for most of Hollywood.

3. The long shadow of Tumblr: Gen X/Gen Y perceptions of Gen Z.  Games are designed with the 12-25 demographic in mind, and the cultural perception of Gen Z drives producers to lean into the social memes that are believed to be popular in that demographic. That is - infusing games with multicultural, queer, and minority voices. The perceived high sensitivity of the target audience leads producers to eschew morally complex or gray topics. Rape is too dark a topic for modern games - this is what marketing teams believe. They even might be right. Furthermore, you can lose your job if gaming media decides to target you for pushing the envelope too far. If the game is 'too white', Kotaku writes an article about it. All of this leads people to play it safe. (See the recent drama with the Japanese-developed FF16 being 'whitewashed')

4. Gamersgate was a lot of bitching without any real market correction - people still buy the games you hate:



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5. Games have gotten bigger, and development teams have as well - as with politics, at scale more and more decisions arise from compromise. No one wins, but no one loses.
#52

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#53


This video tackles the question posed in the OP and is an interesting watch if you have any familiarity with Team Fortress 2. I promise it's not a shitty clickbait video essay even if it might look like one.

The core argument he makes is that most players have horrible taste and game development companies compromise any artistic vision they may have to pander to them.
#54
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#55
(01-14-2023, 09:42 PM)anthony Wrote:
(01-14-2023, 09:32 PM)Guest Wrote: They would not have "atrophied" - your energies would have been channelled into something more productive, fulfilling and external. Gaming is a neurotic habit that promotes a lethargic, excessively introspective existence. It's no surprise, then, that such things (video games) would originate from those of weak constitution. By dysgenics, for dysgenics. OP is not observing something new in the trannified, brownoid game dev - he's just observing the shift in what has become more socially/culturally relevant to them. They have always been dysgenic, spiritual/mental infirms, it has just become more chic to flaunt it. John Romero has pronouns in his Twitter bio.

However, the "gamer -> right-wing dissident" pipeline is real - and perhaps, you could argue, there is merit in that. A sensitive, adolescent male, with the power and freedom of anonymity, with infinite access to a memetic social phenomenon taking place within a virtual space possessing a compendium of all of the world's knowledge - for how many of us, here, was gaming merely a catalyst for entering into this space? From casual observer of /v/ threads, to performative "meme Nazism", to actual, real-life racism - sound familiar?

That said, to clarify, it is not video games, themselves, that are making you a dissident: rather, it is the gamer lifestyle, and the phenomenon of the Internet associated with that, that did so. There is little, if any, actual dissident merit to playing video games, and I would argue that it's actually very inefficient to become a dissident the way that I assume the majority of us did, with a decade plus of eternal-online forum browsing, shitposting, and yes, gaming.

Okay, what would three year old latchkey Anthony have done while his scary grandmother watched soap operas in the other room if Super Mario 64 didn't exist?

Also it seems strikingly obvious that everything you're saying about video games could be said of all art. A very common trap lumberjacks fall into and never admit. Also you're abusing the term 'dysgenics' like a complete retard to the point I'm angry at you.

As for the rest, again, it's the general art case. If you aren't a shit-eating third worlder playing counter strike for 15 years straight, video games are about exercising judgment, discernment, cultivating taste. This is essential.

this shit eating guy? frankly? is sounding quite based to me.
#56
(07-30-2023, 12:30 PM)viedo gamer man 1994 Wrote: this shit eating guy? frankly? is sounding quite based to me.

Banned. Make a new account if you want to try again.



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