God, Caesar, and The Gospel of Infinity Niggers
Muskox
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"She should just do porn. What's the point of this? That would be more honest."

Isn't it interesting that she lives in a country with a large Catholic population (her mother is a Catholic!), and yet the priest who "bring[s] her Home" is an Irishman? An Irishman from England, who lives in America, who brought her into the RCC through the Anglican Ordinariate? It reminds one of the Tractarian converts who shunned the traditional English Latin pronunciation preserved by those tired old recusants in favor of the fashionable and exotic Italian pronunciation. She hasn't become Catholic, she's become Anglo-American! Maybe if she moved to New York she could star in a Peter Vack movie.
MisterHerrSenor0
I was torn between posting here and the "Christian Theology General" thread, but this thread seems more appropriate for this topic.

synesth Wrote:A true christian argument against current trends would always be the less radical version, because the only way to properly frame counterattacks against floods of niggers, so that a christian would support it, would be self-defense. Hence the radicalisation will be much slower - "why TND when you can have Total Deportation?", but given the circumstances, I think something like defence of the family, nation, etc. could be used against GNC and its ilk.
Kasarix Wrote:tl;dr: Christianity inevitably has a minimum degree of liberalism due to it being a non-worldly, 'supernatural' religion and trying to reconcile it with today's racial issues is arduous due to its rigid absoluteness and supernatural moral principles.

The first step in convincing the White Christian (or any White person for that matter) of racialism is to convince them that their race is important in some way. The biggest barrier to this in Christian circles is the idea that caring about your race is worldliness & idolatry. As long as the White Christian is convinced that his race is a transient part of this passing "vale of tears," he will never stand for ethnonationalism.

By contrast, see these two articles from a website run by Protestant white nationalists:
"Gnosticism: Then and Now" (https://faithandheritage.com/2015/03/gno...n-and-now/)
"Our Familial and Racial Existence in Heaven" (https://faithandheritage.com/2011/12/our...in-heaven/)
If you want the short version of these articles, they argue (from the Bible) that distinction between races actually matters to God (hence why they God created men of different races), and the denial of this is the heresy of Gnosticism since it treats God's creation as irrelevant.

What I find interesting about this is that the argument was made for racialism without denying Christianity's universality, and the way this was done is by universalizing racialism, i.e. by making ethnic self-interest into a duty for every race. Rather than saying "White men must preserve the White race," it says "YOU (the reader) must preserve YOUR race."
Of course, this is a double-edged sword. Just as a White Christian will read this as a divine command to uphold White racial interests, so too will a Black Christian read it as a command to uphold Black racial interests, and an Asian Christian will read it as being for Asian racial interests, etc.
august
MisterHerrSenor0 Wrote:so too will a Black Christian read it as a command to uphold Black racial interests

I thought that this was already the case for most American blacks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_theology
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synesth
@MisterHerrSenor0 we do not want third position style christianity. We want something new. Anything. "Black people are high-functioning apes who know our language, just like how trolls understand human speech in folklore, so does the negro, and he is the "out of africa" theory, completes the creationist missing link, etc. - I don't care; make up something even more extreme yourself, but "based christian blacks standing up for their own race" is a horrible concept, which should be abandoned by the right and only used to garner black votes for more mainstream conservative parties in a world of demographic change.
J. L. Austin
Imagine taking Christianity seriously.
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Guest
J. L. Austin Wrote:Imagine taking Christianity seriously.

I believe that's the whole point of the thread. Christians take Christianity seriously, and as we live in a democracy we are forced to bear with their imposition of subhumanity and moralism on us.
MisterHerrSenor0
synesth Wrote:I don't care; make up something even more extreme yourself, but "based christian blacks standing up for their own race" is a horrible concept

Which is exactly why I called it a "double-edged sword." Of course "third position style Christianity" (or "third position style" anything) won't work either short-term or long-term. I'm simply pointing out one Christian conception of ethnonationalism, not saying it's the way to go.

To my knowledge, the two main schools of thought reconciling Christianity with ethnonationalism are Kinism (the idea outlined previously, where care for "your race" is virtuous; I should also add that it has more in common with Thuletide-like racial tribalism than it does with third position) and Christian Identity (which is specifically pro-White above other races, with some branches thinking the Second Coming entails TND, but relies on wild theories about Whites being the real Israelites).

Though @august pointed out something interesting, namely that there is already a non-Kinist theology designed to favor Blacks. So we already have "Christian Blacks standing up for their race" regardless of what Christian Whites happen to believe about their own race.
LoIiMerchant
Christianity is largely irrelevant to immigration policy, racism (or the conscious lack thereof), sodomy, etc. There is no correlation between Christianity and open-border libtardism OR TND basedworld. Nazi Germany was 54% Protestant and 41% Catholic. America is self-reportedly 79.5% Christian and is the cultural progenitor of Wokeness, sodomy et al. in the postmodern world. Evangelical Christians are the only demographically significant conservative voters in the US. 

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This occurs because Christianity, unlike Hinduism, Islam, and most other major religions, does not have explicit laws to be followed. The only thing you technically have to do is go to Church on Sunday, and everything else is a sort of ideological "skeleton" based on the concepts of judgement/forgiveness that people fill depending on their personal inclinations. This means the naturally liberal can be liberal Christians, and the naturally conservative can be conservative Christians, and both are at least arguably legitimate positions to hold. 

I say this because it's easy to forget, especially online. I seriously doubt any movement will occur because of changing Christian demographics, liberal or conservative.



Edit: Just saw this, which more succinctly explains I am saying here.

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august
(04-13-2024, 11:39 AM)MisterHerrSenor0 Wrote: Though @august pointed out something interesting, namely that there is already a non-Kinist theology designed to favor Blacks.

Right. I will humbly add a bit more of my thoughts on this topic generally. Of course, we all know that this "black theology" is bullshit, contrived, fake, etc. Something being nominally "Christian" means nothing. That's probably more the point of this thread than what the Guest above suggests: "Christians take Christianity seriously, and as we live in a democracy we are forced to bear with their imposition of subhumanity and moralism on us." Yeah this clarifies things for me... I'd been listening to everyone tell me that I live under ZOG but, wow look at that... I actually live under COG! 

Guest says, "we live in a democracy" which is why he is forced to suffer under the scepter that is Christian morality. But it's not Christian morality, it's mass-libtard morality. First, do you see the society that you live in today as being a proper democracy? I'll question your vision if you say yes. Obviously we don't, because that system of government is as dead as the Anglo-Saxon men who saw it through. Second, we were already killing God before those first English ships ever reached America. The reality is that the second the final signatory finished writing his name in Independence Hall and the second the icy steel blade met the back of young Louis Auguste's neck, man finally did it. People may not have known it, many people still don't realise it, but man finally killed God. And we have killed him. People sometimes argue that an inherent feature of Christianity is that it brings the highest in society down to the level of the lowest. Whether that's true or not, did Europe not outright reject this until 1793? Democracy, by its very nature, is also a leveling down of everything to the most base level. The endless Bix Nood cycle that we live in. Do people see where I'm going here? Do you understand why the combination of the establishment of the new American civilisation (one without any real cultural tradition of its own) and the Protestant religion (one without any real religious tradition of its own) was enough to allow for the death of God in the hearts of men? More than a millennium of Christendom disregarded. Lest I'll find myself accused of Catholic apologetics, just go back and look at my first post in this thread. Still, be honest, it was through Luther that man's contemplation of God was changed from being centered on the idea of what God is in Himself to the idea of what God is for man. He made it okay to think that man was capable of bringing God down from mighty heaven to lowly earth. He surely didn't intend for the inevitable to happen, but it did. "The peasant rebellion of the spirit" is what Nietzsche aptly titles his chapter dedicated to Luther, that "man of the common people", in TGS. Individualism. Sola fide. Leveling down. It's why today you're allowed to have this:

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@MisterHerrSenor0 you mention "two main schools of thought reconciling Christianity with ethnonationalism" but to me these are still all wignat rabble. Look at those images that I included in my first post. Is it modern-day White Guelphism, Ghibellinism, something else? I don't know, but there is obviously a template. At any rate, Christianity will continue to be politically wielded by commies, fatties, feminists, and ex-SLUTS that will hammer into you that their retconning of your religion Is Actually Really Trad. It gets to the point where, if you consider yourself a Christian, you have to decide whether you should fight with them over something that no longer functionally exists or just let it be while remaining true in your heart.
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stair_fail
LoIiMerchant Wrote:This occurs because Christianity, unlike Hinduism, Islam, and most other major religions, does not have explicit laws to be followed...

Holy coal batman. This isn't "Christianity" you're talking about, this is retarded Protestant nonsense. The Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox, and the mainline protestant groups that are closest to them have actual catechisms full of rules you have to follow.
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LoIiMerchant
stair_fail Wrote:
LoIiMerchant Wrote:This occurs because Christianity, unlike Hinduism, Islam, and most other major religions, does not have explicit laws to be followed...

Holy coal batman. This isn't "Christianity" you're talking about, this is retarded Protestant nonsense. The Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox, and the mainline protestant groups that are closest to them have actual catechisms full of rules you have to follow.

Maybe I was not specific enough when writing: when I mean "laws", I don't mean catechisms. Those apply to matters of prayer and sacraments, not geopolitical demographic analysis, which is what is being discussed ITT. The reason I compare it to the other religions I did is because those religions do have explicitly racial laws that affect geopolitics: Hinduism has the caste system. Jews believe they are the race chosen by God; all others are inferior. Christianity does not have explicit racial teachings, but it does allow for race realism and subsequent policy to exist, the same way it allows for any science to exist. The almost 50/50 political split seen in Christianity is not informed by doctrine, but instead by whether the follower believes in race as a science which, because of Marxist libtardism, most people do not. This is a problem with education and popular culture, not Christianity.
Guest
stair_fail Wrote:
LoIiMerchant Wrote:This occurs because Christianity, unlike Hinduism, Islam, and most other major religions, does not have explicit laws to be followed...

Holy coal batman. This isn't "Christianity" you're talking about, this is retarded Protestant nonsense. The Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox, and the mainline protestant groups that are closest to them have actual catechisms full of rules you have to follow.

Do you then agree with Catholick dogma that 14 is a correct for a woman to marry?
Aizen
anthony Wrote:Where do you stand? Is this a valid answer? Is it a good one? Is it relevant? Do you have your own thoughts?

My initial, gut response is what everyone knows already: Christianity in its organized form, like all other institutions in the West, is a corpse being puppeteered by all sorts of refuse who have no understanding of what it originally was--What did Christ teach? In what context? Why was he the only "messiah" out of dozens in his era who survived? For those who run the churches, the answer of course is a validation of post-1945 liberal morality.

obscurefish Wrote:Christianity needs paganism in order to live.

What do I mean by "paganism"? It's a funny word, since its definition is negative. Practically speaking, it means everything within "religion" but without Christianity (or without Christianity, Judaism, and Islam).

One should keep in mind that this category of "religion" is a modern construction. Ask yourself what was torn from Christianity by the creation of this general category?

This is a great segue into what I'd really like to talk about: In what way have Christ's teachings been perverted?

What was torn from Christianity? The pagans were, at their root, worshippers of Nature, and as time went on, the worship of the ancestor as race-progenitor. Heracles, Achilles, Odin, all deified men, sometimes given an aspect of Nature. Even later among the Greeks, Solon and Lycurgus, though not explicitly deified, became de-facto worshipped as Lawgiver within their respective States.

If Christ's words are to be taken at face value--Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's, Give unto God what is God's and more explicitly My Kingdom is not of this Earth--it would imply separation between the teaching he professes and the Physical world. To put it bluntly, Jesus Christ was not teaching proto-Marxist political theory. His concern was not the organization of society and the State, but the hearts of Men.

Of course if Christ is God, and God created Nature, then Christ would not deny Nature, nor the various implications of Nature as concerns the uncomfortable-to-some Truths about Race.

@LoIiMerchant You and I may not need a scriptural understanding of Race, but many people do, and the above logic is very easy to follow and irrefutable, though a hard pill to swallow for most.

Any True Christianity must be formed on the basis of this understanding. "No more rich nor poor, Jew nor Gentile, bond nor free" comes to mean something completely different when this first veil is lifted, and the rediscovery of Nature lifts the second veil--that veil that covered the eyes of Europe for 1000 years, the denial of Nature through the denial of the ancient race-religions. Before Nature's rediscovery through science, it was the old religions that kept Man's connection to Nature in tact. It is fitting, then, that Pagan originally meant something akin to redneck, or those who lived in the country, while those who lived in the cities were Christian.

This has obvious parallels to today, where the urbane are good moral humanitarian communists and those in the country are evil racist conservative rednecks.

august Wrote:While I agree with you, Nuc, I am going to trace things back, because I believe that this is where we need to start.
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The reason why I say that 1789 is just about the right place to start is because of the quote that I shared when this was being discussed in the shoutbox: "Whether [Christianity] will be remembered as something else is up to the genuinely religious friends I have to ponder. It may have something to do with how these religions get filtered when you have a democratic mass" (The Pervert is the one who said this, by the way, in case that needs dispelling). This is the fundamental problem, the democratic mass.

The greatest expression of the post-Enlightenment decay of Christianity is not the myriad "Christian" groups promoting mass immigration, but the American Civil War and its Causes. The Abolitionist movement agitated for illegal actions against the slaveholding States, funneled enormous amounts of cash into resettling people in Kansas, called for the execution of slaveholders, and staffed the infamous Freedman's Bureau after the war; nothing more than a legalized mafia (Heil Nathan Bedford Forrest). 75,000 Union Men who volunteered for the defense of Washington at the outset of the war marched singing this song to celebrate the insane John Brown:

Quote:John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave, /|
John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave,
But his soul goes marching on.

Chorus:
Glory, glory, hallelujah, /|
Glory, glory, hallelujah,
His soul goes marching on.

He's gone to be a soldier in the Army of the Lord, /|
He's gone to be a soldier in the Army of the Lord,
His soul goes marching on.
Chorus:

John Brown's knapsack is strapped upon his back, /
John Brown's knapsack is strapped upon his back,
His soul goes marching on.
Chorus:

John Brown died that the slaves might be free, /
John Brown died that the slaves might be free,
His soul goes marching on.
Chorus:

The stars above in Heaven now are looking kindly down, /
The stars above in Heaven now are looking kindly down,
His soul goes marching on.

Six Hundred Fifty Thousand Men died as a result of the war, northern factory towns were worse than ever, southern blacks were still defacto slaves, even though Christ nor his Apostles say nothing even approximate to the condemnation of Slavery.

How ironic that this occurred during the greatest scientific flourishing in human history! A war fought on the basis of a decrepit, pseudo-Christian, and unnatural morality that is slave to the whims of the democratic mass amidst the discovery of the Aryan race, Electromagnetism, and Evolution.

On a personal note, I thought it funny when my History teacher at my Christian school lamented the evils of teaching Slaves Bible passages like 1 Peter 2: Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh., as if teaching a passage from the Bible is evil.

Anyway, the moralfagging of the North really creates a spiritual basis for all of the other moral police actions of the US. Also, Anglos, you should've helped us keep our niggers so we could keep the cotton flowing. Fucking Civil War really makes me lose my train of thought. This post is long enough though. Fuck niggers Heil Hitler.
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Muskox
stair_fail Wrote:
LoIiMerchant Wrote:This occurs because Christianity, unlike Hinduism, Islam, and most other major religions, does not have explicit laws to be followed...

Holy coal batman. This isn't "Christianity" you're talking about, this is retarded Protestant nonsense. The Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox, and the mainline protestant groups that are closest to them have actual catechisms full of rules you have to follow.

Have you ever made a worthwhile post? Like all based e-Catholics, you have never read the Bible. If you were familiar with the Pauline epistles you would never say something this dumb.
JohnnyRomero
BillyONare Wrote:Libtards would still be an existential threat to The West even if Jews didn't exist. The point is to point that out, and point out that lots of so-called Christians, whether you want to call them real Christians or Satanists wearing Christian skinsuits because Christianity is inherently based, are just vile libtards without the influence of Jewry.

It's ironic that you say this (which I wholeheartedly agree with) and then immediately say that kikes are the problem which is like a less embarrassing way of doing the same thing as Moldbug.

I should clarify, I believe in the "weak thesis" version of "it's da joos!"; i.e. they're a problem, but not the problem. Cf. that Codreanu quote about how Jews can only prosper in the swamp of our sins (=libtardation). Medieval Europe was doing fine with a major Jewish population running banks and whatnot before the Enlightenment (and even for a good while afterwards, many would argue).

I am personally anti-Semitic as a matter of taste and preference (I was radicalized by the Happy Merchant meme in 2014 and never looked back...), but I suppose it is in our best interest to keep such personal feelings separate from an objective analysis of the situation.
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