Homosexuality, fascism, and the death drive

[Guest]

Montherlant and whatever is depicted in the image below are almost just as different from each other as man is from woman.

Some time in 1968, according to Roger Peyrefitte,outside a movie theatre in Paris, 72-year-old Montherlant was attacked and beaten up by a group of youths because he had groped the younger brother of one of them. Montherlant was seriously injured and blinded in one eye as a result

These are the people Bathhouse Amarnites want to tell you are actually really based and have no connection to today's modern faggot culture. Kill all homosexuals.

[Guest]

 These are safe assumptions to make because if you had done these things, you'd be able to easily spot the difference between the homosexual (as used here) and the faggot, even if you were the most heterosexual man in the world, which, for reasons that should be obvious but probably aren't to you, I doubt you are.

"You hate faggots and want them dead? Sounds like you're the one who's secretly gay here, man!" Indistinguishable from normie libtard insults.

My position was the norm throughout most of European history for the past 1000 years. There's a reason people like your beloved Motherlant had to hide his pederasty; he would have been killed otherwise by every respectable White man. The only difference between faggots now and faggots in the past is the latter had to hide their desires becuase of social repression, or subdue them due to natural necessities: a growing State needs children to continue on and defend itself, so even homosexuals need to reproduce. The modern faggot, and modern gay culture, is just homosexuality released of all constraints; today's faggot represents the true essence of his disordered desire, and is no way an abberation from what homosexuals are.

[august]

Some time in 1968, according to Roger Peyrefitte,outside a movie theatre in Paris, 72-year-old Montherlant was attacked and beaten up by a group of youths because he had groped the younger brother of one of them. Montherlant was seriously injured and blinded in one eye as a result

These are the people Bathhouse Amarnites want to tell you are actually really based and have no connection to today's modern faggot culture. Kill all homosexuals.

An excerpt from his wikipedia page, of all places. Nice. You've never read Montherlant. If you did, you'd understand why my reference to him was relevant to this thread and more so my post specifically. You've obviously never read my reply to The Bathhouse Question thread either, which shows why calling me a "pederast" and a "Bathhouse Amarnite" is retarded. 

My position was the norm throughout most of European history for the past 1000 years.

So you're a failed normie, literally and figuratively. You're a guest, in the truest sense of the word, both here and in your real life. I'd tell you to go back to the AF telegram channel, but that would imply the high chance that you're probably a beaner, which would in turn imply that your tio molested you, as is common among that race, and that would imply... Maybe your ardent desire to "kill all homosexuals" proves Zed's death-drive hypothesis after all.

[Guest]

An excerpt from his wikipedia page, of all places. Nice. You've never read Montherlant.

Was he a pederast who buggered and groped little boys or not? The answer is yes.

So you're a failed normie, literally and figuratively. You're a guest, in the truest sense of the word, both here and in your real life. I'd tell you to go back to the AF telegram channel, but that would imply the high chance that you're probably a beaner, which would in turn imply that your tio molested you, as is common among that race, and that would imply... Maybe your ardent desire to "kill all homosexuals" proves Zed's death-drive hypothesis after all.

Again, just a string of normie libtard insults. Appealing to the history and culture of Europe not only makes me "a failed normie," but also "a beaner" and again a homosexual. I'm sure I can find thousand of troons on twitter who will list off these same exact arguments in response to Noble Nazis who believe in the superiority of the White race and stand against faggotry. Crying about AF Telegram channels is no different than AFricans crying about Talmudic Networks everytime someone calls them out for Third Worldism, it's the same kneejerk reaction. 

@obscurefish was entirely correct in his statement that homosexuality, for a long time, was and should be considered a mental disorder, and in the future it will be entirely done away with, either medically or simply via execution. I believe in the superiority of European civilization and its culture and none of your shit flinging will disuade me from that opinion. Europeans were correct in their opinion that homosexuals should be repressed and penalized, and it was only through these efforts than any people with homosexual desire were able to achieve something of worth. Free of these natural and social constraints, they create the modern gay culture you see today, which I reitereate, is nothing more than the true essence of homosexuality.

[Guest]

An excerpt from his wikipedia page, of all places. Nice. You've never read Montherlant.

Was he a pederast who buggered and groped little boys or not? The answer is yes.

So you're a failed normie, literally and figuratively. You're a guest, in the truest sense of the word, both here and in your real life. I'd tell you to go back to the AF telegram channel, but that would imply the high chance that you're probably a beaner, which would in turn imply that your tio molested you, as is common among that race, and that would imply... Maybe your ardent desire to "kill all homosexuals" proves Zed's death-drive hypothesis after all.

Again, just a string of normie libtard insults. Appealing to the history and culture of Europe not only makes me "a failed normie," but also "a beaner" and again a homosexual. I'm sure I can find thousand of troons on twitter who will list off these same exact arguments in response to Noble Nazis who believe in the superiority of the White race and stand against faggotry. Crying about AF Telegram channels is no different than AFricans crying about Talmudic Networks everytime someone calls them out for Third Worldism, it's the same kneejerk reaction. 

@obscurefish was entirely correct in his statement that homosexuality, for a long time, was and should be considered a mental disorder, and in the future it will be entirely done away with, either medically or simply via execution. I believe in the superiority of European civilization and its culture and none of your shit flinging will disuade me from that opinion. Europeans were correct in their opinion that homosexuals should be repressed and penalized, and it was only through these efforts than any people with homosexual desire were able to achieve something of worth. Free of these natural and social constraints, they create the modern gay culture you see today, which I reitereate, is nothing more than the true essence of homosexuality.

Heterosexuals are building emergency goon kits, trooning, committing sodomy, sleeping around etc. Is watching porn between dancing like an ape for girls on tinder/instagram the true essence of heterosexuality?

[Guest]

quote="Guest" pid='12792' dateline='1705352503'] Heterosexuals are building emergency goon kits, trooning, committing sodomy, sleeping around etc. Is watching porn between dancing like an ape for girls on tinder/instagram the true essence of heterosexuality[/quote]

Unlike Homosexuality, True Heterosexuality has been criminalized since it became illegal to "rape" your wife, and the passing of Age of Consent laws (these laws don't apply to faggots btw, see critically acclaimed libtard movie Call Me By Your Name, which would be illegal if it was about a straight couple).

[Guest]

quote="Guest" pid='12792' dateline='1705352503'] Heterosexuals are building emergency goon kits, trooning, committing sodomy, sleeping around etc. Is watching porn between dancing like an ape for girls on tinder/instagram the true essence of heterosexuality

Unlike Homosexuality, True Heterosexuality has been criminalized since [cool amarnite ingroup signal], and [cool amarnite ingroup signal] ([false statement]).
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I'll be more direct for the sake of your low reading comprehension: why is one form of deviance enabled by the sexual revolution/zog revealing of its practicioners' true essence and the other not if the efficient cause of the increase in both relative to previous eras is the same (absence of repression)? Wouldn't the lesson be the ability to resist temptation is more important, independent of what the temptation is?

[august]

You're arguing with the wrong person, which is exactly why I think you're a retard. Everything you're saying has already been said, by me, on this forum. I just don't make a point of shitting up every thread that gets posted by repeating the same stale thing ad nauseam, because I realise that it's annoying to everyone and defeats the very purpose of a forum. And remember, I never defended gays, past or present. I simply pointed out the undeniable fact that, historically, there are different types of gays, and from this fact we may be able to better understand why some are inclined towards Fascism.

This isn't my thread to derail and I lack the vanity to keep taking up its attention, so I'm going to stop now. Feel free to think of yourself as 'the winner' if you want.

[Zed]

Unlike Homosexuality, True Heterosexuality has been criminalized since it became illegal to "rape" your wife, and the passing of Age of Consent laws (these laws don't apply to faggots btw, see critically acclaimed libtard movie Call Me By Your Name, which would be illegal if it was about a straight couple).

True heterosexuality - or primitive heterosexuality - is bands of powerful men taking young beautiful women by force as concubines/fucksluts, concomitant to the majority of men who have ever lived dying as incels. That is the case historically, at least. In practice, neither heterosexuality or homosexuality has a 'true' or 'pure' form. Essentialist garbage brain-rot. Desires manifest contiguous to the social formations and memetic patterns of the societies they occur in. The Greek, Roman, and Japanese variations of homosexuality are not comparable to the modern form - outside of perhaps the Roman infamia, who were often described in effeminate terms and survived in the world of art and theatre. One can draw other parallels (the cult of Cybele), but that line of reasoning tends to be ahistorical. Either way - it is not a given that homosexuals are effeminate (only a particular subsect).

Past venting your own personal moral beliefs on homosexuality, I think one should find the question of the death drive and its sublimation as interesting. If the core of it for homosexuals lies in idea of aging/No Future (as I believe that it does) - what of other groups feel intensely a similar sense of No Future? What are the processes of  death drive sublimation that occur beyond homosexuals? Does one find similar aesthetes in such circles?

[Guest]

quote="Guest" pid='12792' dateline='1705352503'] Heterosexuals are building emergency goon kits, trooning, committing sodomy, sleeping around etc. Is watching porn between dancing like an ape for girls on tinder/instagram the true essence of heterosexuality

Unlike Homosexuality, True Heterosexuality has been criminalized since [cool amarnite ingroup signal], and [cool amarnite ingroup signal] ([false statement]).

I'll be more direct for the sake of your low reading comprehension: why is one form of deviance enabled by the sexual revolution/zog revealing of its practicioners' true essence and the other not if the efficient cause of the increase in both relative to previous eras is the same (absence of repression)? Wouldn't the lesson be the ability to resist temptation is more important, independent of what the temptation is?
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Resisting temptation is good in and of itself I believe, yes. But I think you're lying or greatly mistaken if you don't think many things that were considered normal heterosexual practice for most of Western history have since been criminalized or greatly stigmatized in modern society. The cool amarnite ingroup signals are statements of fact: you can no longer demand sex from your wife without being charged with a crime; you can no longer pursue young fertile women without social stigma, or again, being charged with a crime. And yes, critics love films like Call Me By Your Name, which would have been ridiculed if it had depicted a graduate student taking the virginity of a newly graduated(?) highschool girl, the daughter of his doctoral advisor. "Grooming" discourse, which has grown increasingly popular in the 2020's, is only applied to heterosexual relations, whereas very little is made of age-gap relationships in the homosexual community.

[Zed]

"Grooming" discourse, which has grown increasingly popular in the 2020's, is only applied to heterosexual relations, whereas very little is made of age-gap relationships in the homosexual community.

I don't really want to get into this conversation, but I do wish to raise one objection to this. You are right in so far as discourse concerns media, and also correct in that those relationships occur commonly (but lowkey)- but not fully correct otherwise. Moral purity policing on AoC is ubiquitous within LGBT circles, especially younger ones (say 18-25). It is bad enough to the point that individuals are ritualistically eviscerated and group sacrificed if they are judged to violate this sacred law.  'Call Me By Your Name' was esteemed by libtards and older queers, whereas the younger group would quickly say "This is problematic...". Being 25 and dating a 20 year old attracts as much internal scorn within those communities as it does within feminist counterparts.

[Guest]

all faggots must hang

[Guest]

The world has two mercies for such homosexuals, one is that the world has no shortage of beautiful gay teenage boys. The second is such gay boys desire older partners. The dark truth of pedarasty is that young boys actively seek out older men, far more so than the other way around.

This is only a mercy for a certain type of homosexual. The Greek mind envisioned the ideal Pederast relationship as one in which the boy was reluctant and, importantly, there would be no penetrative sex. The type of boy you describe in the above quote sounds like somewhat of a spiritual female. The desire of women to have their bodily orifices penetrated and abused is something that I think a lot of men of higher minds find distasteful or repellent; it is an aspect of the female psyche that they would perhaps like to forget. You see it on this forum too. I think that is why a lot of men on this forum enjoy the idea of rape (the woman being unwilling), and it's also partially why lots of anime depict girls as being very chaste or shy, but at the end of the day, even the shyest girl, unless she is aesexual, deep down desires to be ravaged by foreign objects for her sexual pleasure. This is what female sexuality is all about, after all. The Victorians shied away from this uncomfortable truth; they told themselves the sweet lie that women feel no sexual desire whatsoever. As a side note:  a "cope" that does work is the love of  lolis... lolis, being children, are free from female sexuality... There was a thread recently in which it was mentioned that girls going through puberty sometimes struggle to confront or deal with the somewhat predatory nature of male sexuality, I think that similarly, some sensitive young men struggle to confront the whorish or self-debasing nature of female sexuality.

I brought this up because I disagree with your characterisation of the existence of these girl-minded boys as a "mercy". Is it not the case that at least some homosexuals are attracted to other males partially because of a revulsion at this side of femininity? I suppose for a certain type of homosexual who doesn't care at all about anything I just said (most homos) you would be correct.

As for your statement that "The dark truth of pedarasty is that young boys actively seek out older men, far more so than the other way around." I don't doubt that in modern times this is the case since we now have an abundance of broken-minded and psychologically unwell people, but from my knowledge of ancient Greece, it was certainly the older men chasing the younger boys, in some cases basically grovelling before them.

[Guest]

For clarification, the text above is a response to a small remark (highlighted in the yellow quote box) made in the original post from the beginning of the thread. Sorry if that wasn't clear.