How To Homeschool

[Guest]

My concern isn't a kid being weird, my concern is a kid not understanding boundaries and not being aware of how social perception operates. It's not about conformity, it's about Winning.

I don't want my sons to be socially perceived normal-one-having boundary respecters. The only things I want them to learn are how to ascertain deeply that which is good, how to consistently execute on it, and how to slaughter anyone who interferes.

[Guest]

The false dichotomy is just a false dichotomy and not generally the truth. If sending your kid to public school was sacrificing them to lies and degeneracy, nobody who went to a public school would post here.

No, rather only the most psychically resilient survivors would post here.

I can find thousands of blog posts by kids raised in ultra-conservative environments who are now thoroughly zog'd. Isolating your kids only works for so long. Eventually they'll have internet access and leave home. They have to understand why you're right for themselves, or you'll lose in the end.

Might be a case of selection bias. If you are a liberal you are going to make a big deal over being homeschooled because it is another woke signal and victim point. If you are more based it isn't really something you think about for years at a time.

My concern isn't a kid being weird, my concern is a kid not understanding boundaries and not being aware of how social perception operates. It's not about conformity, it's about Winning.

There is obviously the more general "ZOG vs nobility" tension here, of which "ZOGd school vs nobility" is just a subset. Whether or not a good idea, you could homeschool them while letting them do all the same things as other kids during the summer, or on the internet/phones, or after school. Bet your kids could participate in after school programs like theater or computers or gaming or whatever if you're paying the same tax everyone else in the district does. There may be issues with your kid not being cool or something, but that is a great challenge for them to cut their teeth on.

Absent the desire to keep your kids out of culture, the main issue with the school system is that sitting in a desk for a long time with a teacher talking about the same stuff over and over again will actively harm their mind and circulatory system while scarcely providing opportunities to socialize and burning away their lifespan.

You could substitute the hands-on social education other ways too: drill your kids offensively/defensively on cult tactics, recognition of personality traits by facial structure, social engineering drills on soft low-consequence targets like restaurant kitchens. Granted, they aren't necessarily ready and able to soak in and apply all of this when they are prepubescent.

100% endorse the ideas in this thread that promote grouping a few families together for more efficiently hiring elite tutors. Seems like a cheap way to let your kids socialize within a psychic enclave. Yeah I won't agree with the tutors and the other parents on everything just like I wouldn't agree with the school board but if it is fundamentally less zogged than public and more useful then it is the better option. If you go to that much coordination you probably should try and make sure that the kids are similar ages.

I have an intuition to shun otherwise based families that have only sons because it would be courteous for them to have daughters for my sons to develop childhood crushes on, compete for and later take as their first wives. I am not to tit if you don't tat.

[Guest]

I don't want my sons to be socially perceived normal-one-having boundary respecters. The only things I want them to learn are how to ascertain deeply that which is good, how to consistently execute on it, and how to slaughter anyone who interferes.

I don't want my kids to be normgroids either. When I say not understanding boundaries, I mean not making fools of themselves. When I say understanding social perception, I mean the ability to manipulate and influence. I also specified that this is a worst-case scenario that can be easily avoided if you're careful. 

Might be a case of selection bias. If you are a liberal you are going to make a big deal over being homeschooled because it is another woke signal and victim point. If you are more based it isn't really something you think about for years at a time.

There is definitely some selection bias, but there is also much variation. Some of them did have genuinely bad or deeply misguided parents. In the same way I probably underestimate how bad many public schools are, people in this sphere with a secular upbringing tend to idealize evangelicals and associated movements. Very often they're just as longhouse as the alternative, even if they vote for republicans. 

No, rather only the most psychically resilient survivors would post here.

There is obviously the more general "ZOG vs nobility" tension here, of which "ZOGd school vs nobility" is just a subset. 

Can anyone but the most psychically resilient be said to be noble? I don't think nobility and its absence are the result of socioeconomic factors. 

Whether or not a good idea, you could homeschool them while letting them do all the same things as other kids during the summer, or on the internet/phones, or after school. Bet your kids could participate in after school programs like theater or computers or gaming or whatever if you're paying the same tax everyone else in the district does. There may be issues with your kid not being cool or something, but that is a great challenge for them to cut their teeth on. 

You spend paragraphs describing how you don't want your kids to be normies, then say learning to be normies will be a great challenge for them to cut their teeth on. ? 

Absent the desire to keep your kids out of culture, the main issue with the school system is that sitting in a desk for a long time with a teacher talking about the same stuff over and over again will actively harm their mind and circulatory system while scarcely providing opportunities to socialize and burning away their lifespan.   

"Sitting at home all day listening to mother talk about the same stuff over and over again will actively harm their mind and circulatory system whole scarcely providing opportunities to socialize and burning away their lifespan." I never noticed a difference in average fitness between regular-schoolers and homeschoolers, this will depend on other decisions you make. 

You could substitute the hands-on social education other ways too: drill your kids offensively/defensively on cult tactics, recognition of personality traits by facial structure, social engineering drills on soft low-consequence targets like restaurant kitchens. Granted, they aren't necessarily ready and able to soak in and apply all of this when they are prepubescent. 

None of this will replace interacting with peers. It's like learning to ride a bike by extensively studying wikihow.

100% endorse the ideas in this thread that promote grouping a few families together for more efficiently hiring elite tutors. Seems like a cheap way to let your kids socialize within a psychic enclave. Yeah I won't agree with the tutors and the other parents on everything just like I wouldn't agree with the school board but if it is fundamentally less zogged than public and more useful then it is the better option. If you go to that much coordination you probably should try and make sure that the kids are similar ages.

This is already a very common practice. You'll be able to find groups that do this or something similar even in fairly small cities/suburbs throughout the US. This is why I said finding a good church of sufficient size is the biggest aid to homeschooling, there's probably a few with these sorts of programs in your area (assuming you're kwan).

[Guest]

I am the second guest on page 3 and I am not the other guy. When I say cool I mean respected by their peers, not merely normies. The idea of it as a challenge is that there are still things that are cool because they mean you are a capable, intelligent and mature. Whatever they get good at, they have all summer to bond with people over it.

My point was in the paragraph was moreso that you could still choose to let them interact with their peers and the culture, just not in school. School is just an option to provide that by way of shared lunch table and collaboration against mundane challenges. The average student is not socializing most of the time they are in school. The above-average student is bored as hell when they have to waste hours of their life being held back for the sake of others. Even your average creationist dommie mommie is going to let her kid turn up the pace and skip grades so she can brag.

The value of public school depends on how smart your kid is, how good your homeschool/tutor options are and how feasible/necessary interacting with peers/culture to a healthy degree outside of school is. I think we all agree on this much.

The cardiovascular aspect is just that your kid can't stand or lie down or even just get up and run around every now in then in school. They have to sit in a crooked desk position all day. Obviously normie christian homeschoolers aren't likely doing any better in this respect.

Also correct about current homeschooling culture. There may be even more confounding here because the normie paranoid mommie instinct that takes kids out of school for their protection also keeps them locked up in the house even when the kids are out.

[rockfish]

My main concern in homeschooling is the question of, "How do you ensure that your children arrive at a correct view of the world?"

I attended a majority (~80%) black school, my wife the same. We've both seen and experienced the horrors of negrolatry firsthand. How do you ensure that your children, somewhere in their adolescence, don't start nigger-loving as a form of teenage rebellion? Especially with internet access I feel it would be very easy for them, as well as tantalizing, to indulge in this. Children are drawn to the things that they're specifically told not to do.

Do you remove their access to the internet? That seems unnecessary. How do you, without subjecting them to forced nigger torture, do you embed in their minds the truths of the world without having to just hope they arrive at the same conclusions that you did?

[anthony]

My main concern in homeschooling is the question of, "How do you ensure that your children arrive at a correct view of the world?"

I attended a majority (~80%) black school, my wife the same. We've both seen and experienced the horrors of negrolatry firsthand. How do you ensure that your children, somewhere in their adolescence, don't start nigger-loving as a form of teenage rebellion? Especially with internet access I feel it would be very easy for them, as well as tantalizing, to indulge in this. Children are drawn to the things that they're specifically told not to do.

Do you remove their access to the internet? That seems unnecessary. How do you, without subjecting them to forced nigger torture, do you embed in their minds the truths of the world without having to just hope they arrive at the same conclusions that you did?

I'm not afraid of a specific belief failing to take. I believe that wrong is more of a disposition or attitude thing than particulars. I don't believe there's much value in being incidentally right. I know a few people who I would say are kind of fundamentally leftist by disposition but cannot get with the program for the life of them because they think. How to achieve this? I think there's so little cultivation of character today that anybody who has it pretty much found it themselves one way or another. Common theme seems to be people who found their freedom online. Free development and indulgence of curiosity I think is the best way to turn an intelligent person into a thinking one. A lot of people have destroyed themselves with the internet too of course. This is where "homeschooling" I think comes in. The original beliefs of men like Holt were that we're natural learners and developers of ourselves and that adults should be just kind of steering, cultivating, protecting from genuine danger, providing opportunities, etc.

Think of your own path to how you got to where you'd like others to be. Were you taught? Directly? Did anything resembling how you think others could be led here work in your case?

I would not teach my beliefs. I have faith in them. I believe they are correct. I think that a thinking person cultivated well and not corrupted will arrive at positions I find satisfying if left to it.

[Guest]

@anthony I think along these lines as well. I want to create a clan of high-openness low-agreeableness people so my descendants will always be genetically predisposed towards entertaining ideas and discarding things that don't fit their true nature. If you look at the the dark triad test they might ask you something like "which is more important in your friends, being loyal or being interesting" and that is a good question to ask yourself. Loyalty is hard to prove these days, while being interesting is easy to contrast.

[Rodin]

Gary North and Ron Paul gave decent outlines for curricula

[anthony]

Gary North and Ron Paul gave decent outlines for curricula

North seems like a kind of fascinating old school American character, but I really do not like Rushdoony, who he seems to have been tied up with. The Ron Paul Curriculum sounds very reactionary and myopic. Probably better than schools still, but that's saying very little.

[IE IN IE /A (S]

Atreides-style home-schooling, which I posted about in the other thread, is made possible only because of royal influence: can you afford a Leto, a Jessica, a Thufir, and a Gurney, or can you be these things for your child(ren) by yourselves? Probably not.

Are you the heir to the throne of Caladan?

Does a Bear need education? You have all seen beaver footage on twatter.
You misunderstand education what is.
In Europe there are still some old fraternities keeping traditions from centuries prior and many have rituals of excessive drinking, drinking and vomiting right back out. Watch the scene from “Riot Club”. Not uncommon.
In German there is phrase “Bulimie Lernen” bulimia learning. This is education: to take of the bitter cup.

You have seen footage of ice-bear gliding on thin ice. Then the mathematicians come along and with many word try to reconstruct for themselves this particular knowledge (in approximation) from the little they know.

This is education. In this world there are dragons, shoggoths, leviathans; invisible creatures that will prey on us, devour us, or colonize us. We try to reconstruct the knowledge peculiar to our neighbours to understand them and to ensure peace in a world of conquest. We drink the poison and harden ourselves to be a shield against armies of men and legions of angels.

Soft. A child feels stronger, knows better to be. There will come a time when it too will take of the bitter cup. Drink the poison you need but remember: call no man teacher, for one is your teacher, the Christ.