How can Nick Fuentes win? (RADIX/Tim pool/Destiny drama update)

[BillyONare]

Discuss recent developments

[NuclearAbsolutist]

3 Months ago I noted the obvious that Nick and his crew were worthless and held all the bad elements of American society primarily negrophilia. Today we can all update our mental charts to note the common slur of them being pederasts appears to be correct for someone they more than were close with but was at ground zero of all the major moments that were going to shape America according to their supporters and people who claimed to not be supporters but just observing "good politics", especially the episodes with Mr Kardashian.  Anyone surprised  at them now terminating at a moment like this or believing they need even MORE posts and threads on them I suggest booking a appointment to a neurologist. Nothing more you can say on the matter.

[Guest]

 Today we can all update our mental charts to note the common slur of them being pederasts appears to be correct for someone they more than were close with but was at ground zero of all the major moments that were going to shape America according to their supporters and people who claimed to not be supporters but just observing "good politics", especially the episodes with Mr Kardashian. 

Great sentence. But who? I am not in the loop, name names goddammit!

[NuclearAbsolutist]

Great sentence. But who? I am not in the loop, name names goddammit!

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The man at the far right Ali Alexander apparently got a picture of a 15 year old male without clothes I do not care to research this grand expose of how a man who looks like him is bad or add onto a thread the creator of it did not feel worthy of elaborating on himself. This entire right wing ministerial show and the peanut gallery referenced in the OP of various streamers who build their entire life around such ministerial shows as serious causes worthy of several hours of attention of a time are all equally subhuman. This is apparently not obvious.

[casual rapist]

Great sentence. But who? I am not in the loop, name names goddammit!

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The man at the far right Ali Alexander apparently got a picture of a 15 year old male without clothes I do not care to research this grand expose of how a man who looks like him is bad or add onto a thread the creator of it did not feel worthy of elaborating on himself. This entire right wing ministerial show and the peanut gallery referenced in the OP of various streamers who build their entire life around such ministerial shows as serious causes worthy of several hours of attention of a time are all equally subhuman. This is apparently not obvious.

Disgusting retard swarthoid gets no pussy, no kidding. 
How does this loop in Radix (which would be Spencer, Mark Brahmanstein, and Ed Dutton), Tim Pool, and disgusting Destiny? 
Have we disproven the existence of Nick Fuentes?

[JohnTrent]

Resurrecting this thread due to even more recent developments.

On two separate occasions, Nick Fuentes has appeared on the FreshAndFit podcast. For those who are unaware, this podcast is particularly loathsome most of the time, featuring nine different femoids at once talking over one another for hours. This structure of the show may partly be due to certain revenue policies in YouTube, but I cannot tell. The first time was simply Nick conversing with 'groid women, while the second time was debating with Destiny (along with other participants). The difference with the second appearance was that it garnered 100k views.
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Any thoughts on this? It looks to be a success for his AF network despite certain controversies and rumors. The question, though, is if this success is momentary or not

[anthony]

Any thoughts on this? It looks to be a success for his AF network despite certain controversies and rumors. The question, though, is if this success is momentary or not

As always my thoughts are "what does any of this mean?" It's like discussing some televangelist who got his photo taken with some tv star. There's nothing to discuss because Fuentes has no win state beyond this. This is the win state. Cool Nigger adjacents seem to sort of accept him as this weird occasional appendage of the circle or something like that. This is what it was about. That and the televangelism income stream.

[Reverend Moon Immortal]

Resurrecting this thread due to even more recent developments.

On two separate occasions, Nick Fuentes has appeared on the FreshAndFit podcast. For those who are unaware, this podcast is particularly loathsome most of the time, featuring nine different femoids at once talking over one another for hours. This structure of the show may partly be due to certain revenue policies in YouTube, but I cannot tell. The first time was simply Nick conversing with 'groid women, while the second time was debating with Destiny (along with other participants). The difference with the second appearance was that it garnered 100k views.
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Any thoughts on this? It looks to be a success for his AF network despite certain controversies and rumors. The question, though, is if this success is momentary or not

A while ago there was this guy on here(not this specific thread(I do not think))talking about how Nick Fuentes was going to save the west and was its only hope… I wonder where he is. He was more of an interesting character then Fuentes—even if he was most likely suffering some horrific illness causing him to produce that unique psychological pattern so aberrant and capricious in its manifestation. Fuentes could never hope to be as interesting as they guy.

[weev]

Nick Fuentes is a talented broadcaster that has succumbed to the hubris that seems to infect every single dissident broadcaster. Upon forming a small clique of followers, Nick Fuentes decides he is going to lead a political movement. Of course, this is not how political leaders are born, and the best case scenario for this sort of thing is that Nick Fuentes ends up the next Lyndon LaRouche -- though Nick's organizational competence seem to be sub-LaRouche in actual fact. Supporters of Nick Fuentes delusionally talk about how he will one day be the US president, just like LaRouche supporters, and Kanye West said that Nick Fuentes will be President one day in an interview with him as well (I think it was with Gavin McInnes, but I am not sure). Only terminally online zoomers and niggers are naive and gullible enough to believe this shit.

This was the same thing that destroyed The Right Stuff. Faced with a successful comedic podcast, instead of saying "I want to be the next Rush Limbaugh" Mike Enoch decided he was going to be a political organizer, significantly contributing to the disaster of his appearance at Charlottesville, and then he decides he wants to be the leader of a joke political party.

Both Nick Fuentes and Mike Enoch could have achieved sustained national relevance, had they had any self-knowledge. Instead they blew up their own relevance through the ultimate indulgence of narcissism. A fever dream where they become Führer. Of course, the kind of deranged and slothful personalities that engage in American dissident culture encourage this, whispering in their ears like wormtongues about how they should do conferences and goon marches. Every American seems to think that a national leader is what we need (we have one, Donald J. Trump). What America is short of is people willing to do the work to create local blocs of constituencies and grab strategically important government offices. A participant in rigging the 2020 election was done by the Postal Service in a couple states -- the left has done the work to make sure they control bits of infrastructure like this, while the right seems to think that this kind of work is beneath them.

[BillyONare]

Nick Fuentes is the spiritual successor to rush limbaugh (that's a good thing)

[weev]

He is not. Rush was not so foolhardy as to tell his delusional followers that he was going to be President. Nick Fuentes is currently a much inferior spiritual successor to Lyndon LaRouche.

Rush put in the serious work, getting his radio show on as many AM stations as possible. Nick Fuentes could have done this and been massive by this point. AM radio and every public access TV slot in the country should have been his focus. Instead he decided to do conferences with snitches and snitch lovers as invited guests.

There's still time for Nick to change course and potentially get a fraction of Rush's influence, but he's seriously damaged himself by associating with all kinds of extreme undesirables (an unforced misstep solely borne of his delusion that he is a political candidate) and damaged his ability to make this pivot in the future. Broadcast hosts are not elected officials and there is very little shared skillset between the two. Rush knew himself, and knew what he was doing, and focused solely on what he was good at, being an exceptionally talented broadcaster. Nick is also a talented broadcaster, but he wants to be a political candidate. He does not know himself.

Know thy enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.

[anthony]

He is not. Rush was not so foolhardy as to tell his delusional followers that he was going to be President. Nick Fuentes is currently a much inferior spiritual successor to Lyndon LaRouche.

Rush put in the serious work, getting his radio show on as many AM stations as possible. Nick Fuentes could have done this and been massive by this point. AM radio and every public access TV slot in the country should have been his focus. Instead he decided to do conferences with snitches and snitch lovers as invited guests.

There's still time for Nick to change course and potentially get a fraction of Rush's influence, but he's seriously damaged himself by associating with all kinds of extreme undesirables (an unforced misstep solely borne of his delusion that he is a political candidate)  and damaged his ability to make this pivot in the future. Broadcast hosts are not elected officials and there is very little shared skillset between the two. Rush knew himself, and knew what he was doing, and focused solely on what he was good at, being an exceptionally talented broadcaster. Nick is also a talented broadcaster, but he wants to be a political candidate. He does not know himself.

Know thy enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.

Even if he could have been Rush Limbaugh we have to ask what Limbaugh was ultimately worth to anybody but himself. Radio is for stupids. There is no gradual seeding of ideas to win over the masses slowly. The only people it really matters to share ideas with are the kind who are above listening to this kind of thing. The worst thing about all of this Fuentes garbage is that the podcast/stream/telegram/debate/etc form crosses the streams and can make potentially intelligent people spin their wheels indefinitely thinking that they're doing something while nothing happens for years on end.

[weev]

Radio is for stupids.

This is a corrosive kind of attitude, because society is made of stupids and you can only accomplish anything, especially in democracy, by convincing the stupids to do things. It is a reflection of the kind of retarded lie of omission that wignats like to repeat: "you can't vote your way out of this!" they say, encouraging people to retreat from sensible political engagement entirely. This lie is especially pernicious because the statement itself is true -- ZOG primarily wins because they are willing to brutalize and abuse and murder people. We cannot win without people willing to commit great crimes to the point of atrocity -- to burn down and terrorize entire cities, to slaughter Democratic donors and their families, to rob armored cars and defraud banks, to rig elections. In a conflict where one side is committed to violence and the other refuses to engage, the former wins.

But this true statement is a lie because it fails to disclose the next sentence: you cannot get your way of this without voting. ZOG relentlessly has its thralls show up to the ballot box. Not every election everywhere can be rigged -- the big national ones are the easiest, and it never fails to pursue the real meat of governance, which is local elections. And local elections are the key to letting you get away with the political violence and criminality that are necessary to do the non-voting stuff. Civic engagement is key, it turns out getting a ton of prosecutors elected all over the place and taking over the postmaster general seats of major cities gives you kinds of power that even the highest office in the land cannot wield. If the stupids don't move, we will lose forever. Certainly, the sole power of the Jews is that they get the most stupid of all the stupids, niggers and childless women, to move on their behalf.

Even if he could have been Rush Limbaugh we have to ask what Limbaugh was ultimately worth to anybody but himself.

This is a solipsistic statement from people who have no idea how bad it was to be a nationalist or a racist before the Internet was around. There was almost no information or rhetoric around that the Jews did not approve of. Rush was absolutely the biggest redpill in the room for over a decade, introducing a ton of ideas to people's heads that they were not allowed to have. He pushed a ton of critical elections over the line and kept the fire kindled during a critical period, without which the current line of resistance that is Donald Trump might never have been possible. Rush, for around 30 million people consistently, was the core of all wrongthink and a cornerstone to that civic engagement that is necessary in the fight.

I think a good measure of a man is how much the wicked Jews spew vitriol against him. The disgraced kike ex-Senator Al Franken wrote an entire book of seething against the man, "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot". Rush did so much that one of the most prominent entertainment political yids had to pump an entire book out about him. They hated Rush as much as any living person, as much as they hate Assad, and for good reason. One man, with nothing but phone calls to random AM radio stations that the big Jew conglomerates hadn't bothered to buy up yet turned into a beacon of resistance against ZOG propaganda. One single obese dope lover threw a sabot into their machine with nothing but a microphone. They hated him until he died, and there is probably some group of kikes somewhere that curse him in death, like they did ritualistically with Bohdan Khemilnitsky and do now with Hitler.

I wasn't part of the generation that comprised Rush's dittoheads, as a millennial I'm a little young to be in with that crowd, but I stand to bear witness to what Rush achieved. He was an invaluble genius, and I wish we only had a few more of him.

[anthony]

"Did these actions increase our power? Or was the net effect at least as much of a long term energising of the libtards?"

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The stupids, for the most part, don't seem to do anything. Their lasting loyalty (the loyalty of a radio program listener) strikes me as worthless unless it can be leveraged for some kind of serious change or action. I'm not saying this can't be voting. But you only really need these people once. 30 years of radio listening is nothing. A vote at the right time is the point that matters and that's pretty much a switch you turn on for these people.

I'm going to be a complete prick and destroy this discussion by bringing it back to Elves and Hobbits. Civic engagement, prosecutor jobs, etc, these are elf occupations. Radio is for hobbits. You need to get a grip on finer human capital if you want political occupation and replacement. You need to win over the class of person who does that. I'm open to being challenged on this, but I don't see it happening and would be interested in any kind of example to the contrary.

And more specifically for Fuentes, related to the above thought. He's absolutely disgusting. Bloated unhealthy wigger who got famous preaching to the choir repeating the trashiest and most retarded parts of /pol/ back to the trashiest and most retarded parts of /pol/. AF are not a collection of the best. I believe that right to rule is naturally a matter of taste. What kind of person is into this garbage and why? What do we get for its existence? Energised ugly brown people who enjoy posting in livestream chats now consider themselves "right wing" and will proudly tell as many people as possible that they are what that means.

We can say he's a "broadcaster" rather than an aspiring aristocrat. What the hell do we need broadcasters for? Why should they exist? Limbaugh didn't sow the seeds of what we are today. The internet and free association of the intelligent was enough to make this explode into life. Maybe he kept some fire going, was an entryway for some pre and early internet guys who themselves spread a lot more fire. Even then, that time is past. If that charitable reading was true, good on Rush. But the internet is so different to being a radio guy in the 20th century that I don't believe it's possible to be a Rush Limbaugh of our time. It's too different. The comparison doesn't strike me as helpful beyond a very basic level.

[weev]

I'm going to be a complete prick and destroy this discussion by bringing it back to Elves and Hobbits. Civic engagement, prosecutor jobs, etc, these are elf occupations. Radio is for hobbits.

Nigga, you just activated my trap card.

Hobbits destroyed Sauron.
Hobbits ended the reign of Saruman, immediately leading to his death.
Hobbits killed Wormtongue.
A hobbit co-killed the Witch-King of Angmar.

Elves basically sat around having gay orgies in Rivendell while hobbits did basically everything crucially important.

What the hell do we need broadcasters for?

This is extreme solipsism. For the entirety of history, effective leaders have been convincing the hobbits you deride to work on their behalf. Even royalty had networks of runners to pass important information to town criers. For as long as the printing press has existed, mass political and religious media has existed, with everyone trying to convince everyone else of the justice of their cause, flag, or creed. This is irrevocable, and we are in a relatively democratic society where convincing lots of people to do things is the primary way to get things done. That's what we need broadcasters for, and if one team has them and the other does not, they will lose.

Of course we need self-aware broadcasters who understand that they are the obnoxious retarded town crier. We do not need town criers who have narcissistic delusions of claiming the throne.

[BillyONare]

How do you democratically convince people to make society less democratic? I don’t think you can. The elites need to act in their own interest. Peasants don’t matter. They only matter because elites give them The Sanction of the Victim, as Ayn Rand says.

[Trevor Bauer]

I'm going to be a complete prick and destroy this discussion by bringing it back to Elves and Hobbits. Civic engagement, prosecutor jobs, etc, these are elf occupations. Radio is for hobbits.

Nigga, you just activated my trap card.

Hobbits destroyed Sauron.
Hobbits ended the reign of Saruman, immediately leading to his death.
Hobbits killed Wormtongue.
A hobbit co-killed the Witch-King of Angmar.

Elves basically sat around having gay orgies in Rivendell while hobbits did basically everything crucially important.

What the hell do we need broadcasters for?

This is extreme solipsism. For the entirety of history, effective leaders have been convincing the hobbits you deride to work on their behalf. Even royalty had networks of runners to pass important information to town criers. For as long as the printing press has existed, mass political and religious media has existed, with everyone trying to convince everyone else of the justice of their cause, flag, or creed. This is irrevocable, and we are in a relatively democratic society where convincing lots of people to do things is the primary way to get things done. That's what we need broadcasters for, and if one team has them and the other does not, they will lose.

Of course we need self-aware broadcasters who understand that they are the obnoxious retarded town crier. We do not need town criers who have narcissistic delusions of claiming the throne.

Well we certainly need political actors more than broadcasters. So in light of that I'd rather  someone try to act — and be 'cringe' and ultimately fail — in order to get some data points, rather than have those people continuously grow their platform under the enemy's regime, which necessarily means they're becoming more and more compromised.

[NuclearAbsolutist]

I don't want to touch on the Elf v Hobbit debate(On the matter, I prefer the term officer core of mankind, I don't like  Tolkien metaphors) but I want to touch on something that's not been addressed outside here:

And more specifically for Fuentes, related to the above thought. He's absolutely disgusting. Bloated unhealthy wigger who got famous preaching to the choir repeating the trashiest and most retarded parts of /pol/ back to the trashiest and most retarded parts of /pol/. AF are not a collection of the best. I believe that right to rule is naturally a matter of taste. What kind of person is into this garbage and why? What do we get for its existence? Energised ugly brown people who enjoy posting in livestream chats now consider themselves "right wing" and will proudly tell as many people as possible that they are what that means.

We can say he's a "broadcaster" rather than an aspiring aristocrat. What the hell do we need broadcasters for? Why should they exist? Limbaugh didn't sow the seeds of what we are today. The internet and free association of the intelligent was enough to make this explode into life. Maybe he kept some fire going, was an entryway for some pre and early internet guys who themselves spread a lot more fire. Even then, that time is past. If that charitable reading was true, good on Rush. But the internet is so different to being a radio guy in the 20th century that I don't believe it's possible to be a Rush Limbaugh of our time. It's too different. The comparison doesn't strike me as helpful beyond a very basic level.

I completely agree with this astute analysis and find it telling it has not been addressed, no did anyone broach  what I posted months ago in this thread(Which I'll touch on later), instead saying this sort of thing again

Nick Fuentes is a talented broadcaster that has succumbed to the hubris that seems to infect every single dissident broadcaster.

Nick Fuentes is the spiritual successor to rush limbaugh (that's a good thing)

I don't know what either Weev or Billionaire  mean by talent or on par with Rush here, Rush had a audience of millions the appeal of his speaking was such even those who loathed him had to cover him in the way they do for all "A-listers"(But with negative spin of course, or the manner of symbol of dark undercurrent you have to unpack). In contrast Nick's gets the attention  of the worst kind, brought by trash fires he lights up(Getting his young followers to yell at Charlie Kirk about Israel and making sure they can never find gainful employment again) or joins (Mr Kardashians typical holly-wood mental break down that had a dash of black nationalism) he is either a drama source or used by hacks as the face of the far right both a evil figure but also a circus clown they can laugh at beyond his fan base of Mexican /pol/ tards. Then there's the serious manner I posted many months ago about which suggests he is either so incompetent he has no standards or is up for covering for pederasts if they tick the right based marks.
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In one of the interviews, a young man named Aidan Duncan described how Alexander had allegedly solicited nude pictures from him when Duncan was 15 and Alexander was 32. He claimed Alexander had promised to share his “entire network” with Duncan if he kept their situation secret. “Boundaries are cool,” Alexander wrote, according to a screenshot of a text conversation obtained by The Daily Beast. “Allowed to say no. However, the less you deprive me of, the less I deprive you of.” But by May 2019, Alexander was annoyed that Duncan would never send him “good jack off material,” according to another screenshot.
“When I was 15 I was naive and desperate,” Duncan tweeted last week. “I thought I had no choice but to cooperate with inappropriate and humiliating requests if I wanted to make it in politics. I figured that was just the nature of the game.”

As far as I know Nick has of course never commented on this(EDIT:My bad, I forgot he did and simply denied he knew anything) which is his pattern of course(He never said anything when he brought sub trailer trash like Ethan Ralph or the Latino Groyper(Another case but purely about CP) on after all). Which raises the question of why bother with him, why talk about a man who was born too late for the Howard Stern show but just in time for live stream ranting.  A man even in that field so clearly looses out to THIS!
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[weev]

How do you democratically convince people to make society less democratic? I don’t think you can.

You just need get enough of the levers of power to do what you want to do, and then do it. How do you not understand when this was done right in front of you? Voters were promised no demographic change, and they passed the immigration act in the 60s and started shoving in as many muds as possible. People want tougher law enforcement, and Soros buys a bunch of DA seats and lets niggers run amok. Do you think any of these DAs went around telling people "I'm going to refuse to prosecute basically all nigger crimes and let your neighborhood turn into a shithole"? Many of them actually promised to be tougher on crime! It doesn't matter what you say to get in the chair, you control its powers when you get it. This is the essence of the coup d'etat -- it needs you to at least control some valves of state power to perform. Even a fraction of them. Sometimes seemingly irrelevant positions like Postmaster can turn the fate of a nation.

Well we certainly need political actors more than broadcasters.

Absolutely, we need thousands of them. And people showing up to a TWP goon march or some AFPAC event full of federal snitches basically ends their ability to be a political actor, forever.

So in light of that I'd rather  someone try to act — and be 'cringe' and ultimately fail — in order to get some data points

You need "data points" to realize that retard events that will permanently taint you politically are a bad idea? There's no way beyond being cringe and failing?

[BillyONare]

Do you think any of these DAs went around telling people "I'm going to refuse to prosecute basically all nigger crimes and let your neighborhood turn into a shithole"?

This is literally what the proles want. 99% of them will call you a bad person for pointing this out.