Internet Tranny Sociology Thread
#21
(04-08-2022, 09:27 PM)capgras Wrote: While this is obviously true, there's a prior split between their original identity as male and their concept of what male is, and much of this is due to advances in technology and related cultural developments that have made made men on average more effeminate (I would imagine prodromal trannies more than others). Instead of responding in a healthy way via self-improvement, they (try to) convince themselves they're not really men (that autism correlates with OCD doesn't help). They cope with their perceived castration by embracing a sort of Stockholm Syndrome, anticipating humanity's final defeat by the singularity. The virtual is not just an escape, it's their captor and their savior.

You're absolutely correct that the 'awaking of the tr00n' begins in a sense with a split between their 'original identity as male' and their percevied concept of maleness, and all that entails. What I find interesting about that is we're seeing a massive rise in such 'splits' *not* because we live in a time of such rigid gender roles, in fact, we're probably living in the era with the loosest gender roles in all of history. I think rather few people, at least in the West, really grew up with an incredibly strict sense of "what it means to be a wo/man." Men are rarely told that they can't engage in the arts or 'more feminine' activities, and the days are long gone where women are forced only to be homemakers. More women end up going to college than men in the US, and propaganda about the Girl-Boss Woman that doesn't need a man or kids to fulfill herself has been running nonstop as long as I've been alive.

I refuse to believe this is just a coincidence: The surging numbers of people identifying as tr00ns is in some way directly and positively connected with the fact that we actually no longer live in a world of 'traditional gender roles' and haven't for quite sometime. The deterioration of gender roles and the rise of fluidity simply begets more fluidity. Teens who weren't taught 'what it means to be a REAL MAN' nonetheless flail and cry at a perceived conception of manliness that was never thrust upon them in the first place. Maybe there is a term for this process, but it reminds me of the parallel situation in the United States where despite racial discrimination being at its lowest possible levels in all our history, we now here about it MORE THAN EVER.
#22
(04-08-2022, 10:41 PM)Leverkühn Wrote: You're absolutely correct that the 'awaking of the tr00n' begins in a sense with a split between their 'original identity as male' and their percevied concept of maleness, and all that entails. What I find interesting about that is we're seeing a massive rise in such 'splits' *not* because we live in a time of such rigid gender roles, in fact, we're probably living in the era with the loosest gender roles in all of history. I think rather few people, at least in the West, really grew up with an incredibly strict sense of "what it means to be a wo/man." Men are rarely told that they can't engage in the arts or 'more feminine' activities, and the days are long gone where women are forced only to be homemakers. More women end up going to college than men in the US, and propaganda about the Girl-Boss Woman that doesn't need a man or kids to fulfill herself has been running nonstop as long as I've been alive.

I refuse to believe this is just a coincidence: The surging numbers of people identifying as tr00ns is in some way directly and positively connected with the fact that we actually no longer live in a world of 'traditional gender roles' and haven't for quite sometime. The deterioration of gender roles and the rise of fluidity simply begets more fluidity. Teens who weren't taught 'what it means to be a REAL MAN' nonetheless flail and cry at a perceived conception of manliness that was never thrust upon them in the first place. Maybe there is a term for this process, but it reminds me of the parallel situation in the United States where despite racial discrimination being at its lowest possible levels in all our history, we now here about it MORE THAN EVER.
I think sometimes we underestimate the difficulty implied by the changes you describe in the first paragraph. The further industrialized society becomes, the less use traditional gender roles have in the short term. Long-term they'll still have an impact on which societies succeed and which fall away, but ultimately nothing about traditional masculinity will help you be a better uber driver and everybody's gay now so it probably won't help you find a partner either. The only impact they have on the individual level is the extent to which not conforming with gender roles impacts personal happiness (wine aunts with no kids, de-trans, 41% etc) due to genetic instincts and/or the deviation being too large to succeed even in our current society. I'm sure this dissatisfaction is more intense and widespread than the media reports, but I doubt it's identical to what would be felt if people attempted these lifestyles in an earlier era. There's also the question of the extent to which what we've seen is a simple move away from the biology impacting success and to what extent it's been a shift towards effeminacy. 

To your last point I think the answer is that the friend / enemy is even more grounded in identity politics than it has been, at least in the US, so it makes sense that more effort than previously is placed into building support along these lines.
#23
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An important element (and a failing of YWNBAW) is that the modern troon does not want to be a woman- they want to be a girl.

The AAGP MSPaint Laintard & co. is rooted in the Gen X/Y return-to-childhood cult that we see via various peasant-farmer hoarding of pop culture trash, but for the (usually millennial) troon they wish to rewrite their memories with a fantasy version of the Lisa Frank Y2k "girlhood" which they observed from girls as children and combined with their own experience as outcast boys.
#24
This popped up momentarily, but it's simple: they are reminded of their childhoods and the fact that the girl toy section had a more diverse, larger inventory.

Basically, trannyism is consoommaxxing. The ultimate yeast form. Being Made Women in the Alphabet Mafia, they become preachers for consumerism as well
#25
(04-01-2022, 03:02 AM)anthony Wrote:
Quote:Guest Said:

It makes perfect sense for Amarnites to focus on trannies. All this midwit soyboy masturbation is cope from being broken by society. Being an Amarnite is being a tranny in the making.

I have nothing really in common with the latter, but the programmer trannies I think we *were* in the same boat as at one point. We here are not trannies in the making, I think we're an alternate path to take when faced with the same problem. At one point a programmer tranny was a nerd who found themselves feeling *outside* of the living experience of the world around them, words like 'flat' and 'dysphoric' come to mind to describe this state. I think most of *us* have been there too. But then where the tranny solution gets weird is that they simultaneously assume there are problems in their own nature/essence which need correcting to bring them into harmony with reality, *and* they need to start manipulating reality (via delusional copes and political action).
I feel a great sense of loss when I come across a person that I enjoy talking to in the tech scene and come to find out that they're a trannie. I would consider it similar to the sort of loss I feel when I found out a cool girl I know is lesbian, but it isn't the same. While with the lesbian I am dismayed by the destruction of nature (and also that I lose a potential great love interest), I feel more than that with a trannie: I feel I have lost a distant brother. Someone that I could relate to, go down the wrong path. You have perfectly articulated what I felt in my gut: The trannies and we come from the same source, it's just that they went down the wrong road.

Great essay overall, and I await your thread on the autistosphere, or whatever.

Side note: Maybe this idea of the internet sending those who would have survived better in a pre-Wired age becoming fucked up can be applied to lesbians? A discussion on a tomboy-lesbian pipeline that has been expanded by the internet? Worth looking into, but I digress.
#26
When I was younger (and more retarded) I was thinking how BASED it would be to catch a pedophile groomer. And being a frequent /pol/ user, I had theories that obviously they would all be on transgender discord servers. So I made a fake tranny account and went in to lurk as a "depressed 13 year old" and sure enough I did get some weird DMs.

But all that aside, I did get to see exactly what went on in there. There was a clergy/laity divide of sorts. The clergy were the older trannies who would be very public with pictures of their horrific faces and everything. They were the ones with all the secrets - how to become more effeminate, how to sound less like a pubescent male and more like a cute girl, what to eat, where to get hormones, etc. The laity were the kids, usually 13, 14, 15, etc. who needed all this "guidance". Some of the older trannies would mention how they would be "happy" to take some of these kids in away from their parents who didn't "get it".

All the kids were "depressed". Some were suicidal (not so shocking) and others were attention whores. Some both. And they'd found a way to get lots of attention from others more deranged than themselves. I would say that most trannies were in the wrong place at the wrong time and with bad company. But that doesn't excuse them from what they did next - instead of rejecting the freakishness, they indulged it.

This is where the "aesthetic" comes in. As other posters have pointed out with "laincore", there's a desire to have this idol of the cute nerd girl who sits inside all day. (I've always been biased against Lain AVIs and this explains why they are so unpleasant.) The kids involved have a new identity, and so they are remaking themselves in the image of this ideal. It doesn't help that they further their delusions by masturbating to tranny porn - a surefire way to turn your new ideas into an addiction, an obsession. No one held a gun to their head and made them do any of this - it's all self destruction.

They know it too. I had the displeasure of speaking with a tranny, and I told him that he was in a death cult - which he denied. I asked him where he would be in 7 years. "Dead." "Why?" "I probably will have gotten raped/killed." Their goal is to die and look "cute" and orgasm while doing it - everything is a means to that end.
#27
I don't feel loss, I feel annoyance, frustration, because I realize I must measure my words as I am speaking to a cult member. As a matter of fact I would go as far as to say they are pseudo-glowniggers. I never felt like we come from the same source, instead that they are the result of pollution inserted into the well, taking form. Just another incarnation of The Bad.
#28
Internet tranny hobbies and habits have too much overlap for me not to see them as a broken branch. Potential Incel Warriors who were captured and twisted. Lefties, I think, view it this way too, and consider funneling "edgy" Shapiro fans into r/eggmemes as an avenue of deradicalization.
Granted, tranny aesthetics and choice of company reflect poor character, so there might never have been much potential to them in the first place.

(04-18-2022, 08:03 AM)Verl Wrote:
Quote:Side note: Maybe this idea of the internet sending those who would have survived better in a pre-Wired age becoming fucked up can be applied to lesbians? A discussion on a tomboy-lesbian pipeline that has been expanded by the internet? Worth looking into, but I digress.
The cliche ftm wears baggy, neutering clothing and keeps her hair short. I largely view it as young girls frightened by precocious and unguided entry into our negrofied twerk culture.
#29
Nah, they were never "potential incel warriors" - upon careful inspections you'll notice they're more failed normie types, the incels of the self-pitying, tfw no gf type, which is of a more common branch still to the "new incel" who is someone who is simply grossed out by what everything has been reduced to (I'll go as far as to say that they're the "true normies" since they're more reasonable and normal than what the normies are now). (This discussion raises the question if eastern europeans are automatically incels even if we have sex)

Cowardice, treason, weak character, a need to belong, retroactive consoommaxxing - all of those can be reasons to troon out. Again, cult
#30
I do wonder how the troon's conception of art differs from more orthodox perspectives. Around 2018 I found J-core - Jap EDM of the fast, loud variety. To me and all the teens I knew on Twitch, it was like crack. All of these people were strange, I realize now it was a sign the scene was infested with trannies.

At the time my mental state was fragile, unstable, disturbed. One of my favorite artists was "Kobaryo" - he makes speedcore. Words like "painful" "chaotic" "unhealthy" can be used to describe his songs. They're well designed with good melodies, but the appeal is in the rapid BPM which adds a feeling of emotional disarray: like a mental breakdown given form.
Most normal people can't fathom liking this spew of noise, but I found it quite simple: the music "sympathizes" with me. The songs' climax of jittery beats and dramatic melodies symbolized my own emotional trauma, and amplified it; personified it. Even the more upbeat and happy tracks had a feeling of mental illness to them, like a fake smile.

I don't know if this method of projecting your own feelings onto music is the default way people consume, but I still do it. Right now I listen to the Darkest Dungeon II soundtrack as its themes of melancholy, adversity, suffering, and stress help me to cope with my near-sweatshop work conditions, giving it meaning. Trannies too seem to internalize their illness, exacerbating it with disordered music that "understands" them. In this sense they groom themselves into being trannies since the very music itself promotes madness. Perhaps the phenomena of treating art like an outlet to express yourself is indicative of consoomerism as a whole.

Even if the music is "good" (as in it's pleasing to hear), music being a personification of negative emotions seems very basely; not lindy. Music does appeal to the body since our bodies are inherently rhythmic, which is why rhythm-heavy music helps you work out. But artists in the past have used it to do much more than simply say "I'm frustrated and angry Sad" in musical form. Music that promotes rage, fear, and other intemperate emotions have only been popping up for the past several decades, perhaps technology has aided this (see: dubstep, metal, etc.) I definitely think music becoming more animalistic has contributed to the deterioration of people's minds.


While on music, I will note: the youngest trannies (~14 year olds) seem to be getting hooked on Electro Swing (Especially of the Japanese variety, it exists and is growing rapidly). It seems to have the same effect on zoomers as FNAF/Undertale fan music had on them, and a lot of the Electro Swing artists in this scene do seem to originate from Tumblr and those fandoms. Perhaps there's something to elaborate on with how trannies become obsessively absorbed into the fiction they consume, but I'll leave it there.
#31
Hmm. Took a listen to one of Kobaryo's songs - they're kind of upbeat, that entire "supergenre" was popular here a couple of years ago but was just called "rave." The reasons are completely different though, most find it sort of motivating, jumpy, gets you in an active mood, no trannyism detected in the music itself. I guess it's one of those "the water that hardens the egg softens the potato" things.

Reminds me of something I wrote about on twitter a while ago, about "organic psyops" and such things where it's not the piece of media that carries the harmful memetics, but the fans.
#32
speaking from personal experience, i would attribute the recent popularity of such music to osu. i used to be a top player in a related rhythm game, which is much less weeaboo-centric, and the tendency in such games is for people to gravitate towards high-BPM music with lots of rhythmic drive, because that is what lends itself to challenging and enjoyable gameplay. osu is by far the most popular of these games and has a huge overlap with anime-based communities, which means it is as it were a tributary upstream of tranny culture. indeed, kobaryo goreshit camellia etc. are all very popular artists within the osu community.
#33
(06-12-2022, 09:02 PM)Guest Wrote: Most normal people can't fathom liking this spew of noise, but I found it quite simple: the music "sympathizes" with me. The songs' climax of jittery beats and dramatic melodies symbolized my own emotional trauma, and amplified it; personified it. Even the more upbeat and happy tracks had a feeling of mental illness to them, like a fake smile.
My experience is similar to yours. Throughout all of middle and high school, I listened to extremely abrasive speedcore, breakcore, and power-noise, though it wasn't a compensation for trauma so much as deadness of feeling. The music supplied an intensity my everyday life lacked, and so prevented me from humiliating myself by acting on my desires.

(06-12-2022, 09:02 PM)Guest Wrote: I don't know if this method of projecting your own feelings onto music is the default way people consume, but I still do it.
My internal experience of music has always been distinctly "image-centric": it evokes in my mind's eye a particular action, place, or (third-person) feeling, and while that may be pleasing to "look at" or think about, it never feels like reassurance.

(06-12-2022, 09:02 PM)Guest Wrote: While on music, I will note: the youngest trannies (~14 year olds) seem to be getting hooked on Electro Swing (Especially of the Japanese variety, it exists and is growing rapidly). It seems to have the same effect on zoomers as FNAF/Undertale fan music had on them, and a lot of the Electro Swing artists in this scene do seem to originate from Tumblr and those fandoms. Perhaps there's something to elaborate on with how trannies become obsessively absorbed into the fiction they consume, but I'll leave it there.
Electro-Swing is like FNAF/Undertale fan music, Bo Burnham, or Bollywood show-tunes in that I feel intense embarrassment just listening to it. I imagine you'd have to be really immersed in your little cubbyhole of reassurance to not feel the same way. Not so much a cause as a symptom of being hugboxed.
#34
Been thinking about these. In order to discuss the Internet Tranny, we need to separate the "Tranny types:"

Most "current" trannies fall into 3 main categories, and one auxiliary category:

1. "Ubercoomers" - AGPs, fetishists - the grossest and most "outrageous," loud, brash, but very idiosyncratic. Tranny prostitutes, fetishists, drag queens - the classic degenerates. Andy Warhol crowd types. Usually not at the forefront of culture war shit because for them it was never really an identity, to them it's a naughty game. Primary motivation for trannyism is sexual. Doesn't pass, doesn't care. Rarely even transitions. Never suicides.

2. "Netrannies" - the one we're talking about here - borne out of individuals with certain traits, and a lifestyle that can be described as "terminally online." Main trait is an incredibly weak identity, high insecurity, and a feel that something is "missing" from their lives. They're natural escapists. Their trannyism comes slowly - they crush on a fictional girl and start avatarfagging as her. Because their "meatspace" presence is so weak, and their sense of identity also so weak, they will start seeing their "online self" as the "true self" - and the avatar as who they are. In a way, also autogynephilia, but one which is greatly boosted by identity doubts. Unlike type 1's who are very confident and self-assured, these know they don't belong, they're incredibly awkward and insecure. Disproportionately staff the janny lines, and almost constantly participates in e-drama. Doesn't pass, cares, wants to off himself. Gets totally blackpilled if transitions, chances of suicide gigantic. Dreams of troonjak qrts every night. Primary motivation: sense of relevance, reconciling a more vibrant online life with the boring, almost nonexistent offline one - identity of the self.

3. The groomed - A refinement of type 2's, and the newest installment of the tranny saga - like the previous one, identity issues are the main cause, but this time collective ones. Neurotic but excessively agreeable, they crave belonging, which the fact that traditional associations (nation, church, etc) are now politically incorrect makes extremely difficult. Will fall into fanbase-oriented rabbit holes, the local "troon chapters" where they'll be groomed by other trannies into joining. Auxiliary hook is sexual - the chaste but incredibly "dirty" young zoomer stands no chance. Sometimes the grooming happens irl, even by the family, from the youngest age - this might result in yet another type of tranny in the future. The first ones to really interact with faggotry after it openly became a meta-ethnicity. Will transition if not stopped, and suicide probably follows, but sometimes "revenants" who realize they were tricked and are angry appear, "detransition" and become firebrand (as much as it's possible for an eunuch) speakers against the whole tomfoolery. Primary motivation: needing to belong.

4. Made (Wo)men. The High Priests and also Capos of the Alphabet Mafia/cult. The convergence of all 3 types, can come from any of them. Title gained when they transition, and go all in, cross the event horizon. Leads all the grooming groups, openly advocates the spread of trannyism, active politically not just online but also in real life. Literally left humanity behind. Paradigm shift as all philosophical/ideological self interest is gone, and motivation becomes almost entirely malignancy towards non-faggots, and to convert as many as trannyism as possible. Also never suicides.
#35
Politics and trannies go hand in hand. It is physically impossible for a troon to not be a political extremist of some type. I remember on tumblr, beginning from 2014 when trannyism spread, it infected obscure political circles the most. ml, mlm, anarchist, all the assorted faggots. One that caught my eye the most were maoist third worldists (a whole thread could be written on them) because it was a given at the time that if you were a third worldist you were either brown, a tranny, or both. One group appeared from these circles called raim, revolutionary anti imperialist movement and they were 100% tranny but their aesthetic was 'hardcore revolutionary', think Atomwaffen with dilators. Don't feel like combing through archives, but there's a video of them getting accosted by tea party boomers because the future trannies kept insulting them. Can only link the channel which has a pfp of smiling african children on it for some reason: https://www.youtube.com/user/raimdenver
#36
Whatever subgroups there may be - there are some good nuanced, specific attempts to categorize them here - the main categories, or at least another major way to split them, look to be the "classic" troons vs the "nu" ones. The latter overwhelmingly exceeds the former, at least when it comes to the internet. This is seemingly also the case in real life now too, although that's fairly inevitable as I've seen maybe one or two possible trannies in my life before this current era.

I couldn't say exactly how many of the "nu" ones experience dysphoria when virtually all of the classic ones do, but the main distinction is in their behaviour and objectives.

The classic trannies seem to seldom openly identify with LGBT imagery and collective identity. They will insist they are a woman - ftms are much less common - of course, but are less likely to be open about their status. They almost exclusively grew up before the Tumblr petri dish of insanity era of the internet, or were not involved with it, and therefore are unlikely to employ the ubiquitous, bizarre nu-speak that the nu troons latch on to.

From what I've seen from the classic ones, YWBNAWing them is but a minor annoyance. One put it like this: "it's like saying you should give up on working out, if you knew you couldn't ever look like Schwarzenegger." This analogy will seem odd to non Kool-Aid drinking people, who rightly see it as either you're male or female. It's not something that we could understand ourselves without having their perception of reality, which comes with the territory. But, as others have pointed out, none of them really see sex as a binary. Hence, the need to "transition" in some shape or form, even if it doesn't involve surgery or taking meds. Both the classic and nu ones may deny this with "uh, I've always been a woman" at times when confronted, even if their actions are at complete odds with this.

Being able to do "girl things" is enough for the classic types. Being "kind of a girl" is good enough. Being called "she" in public is enough; they won't care if you privately see them as a man with a mental illness. Any small victory is a victory for them. This separates them from the nu trannies that are hellbent on social control and punishing so-called transphobia.


(06-18-2022, 01:58 AM)vlos Wrote: Politics and trannies go hand in hand. It is physically impossible for a troon to not be a political extremist of some type.

A lot of these classic trannies also used to be more into politics (e.g. pre-eternal summer ex-/pol/ users), but in general are much less visible - virtually, not necessarily physically - comparatively to the extremely visible and vocal nu trannies. They might flirt with race realism or other fringe ideas, but in general are much more discretionary about what they show of themselves to others. If anon, their writing style and tone may make you question their sex. It's almost certain that they weren't groomed, and not very likely to be groomers themselves. 

The thing is, being a tranny is inherently political to the nu trannies, and everything they do shows it. Any insistence such as "my existence is not political" is not demonstrated by them in the least. Politics is the most dominant method of achieving control and power over any level of society, and thus it is an attractive means to attempt to realize what they wish for. This is especially the case for men who have a natural inclination to it, no matter if he wants to feel like a woman. Therefore, they believe they will only feel truly accepted once they achieve their objectives, which are also rather nebulous. They know they do not have the control and power to actually make themselves into the opposite sex, so society must be the one bending to accommodate them. 

While being "kind of a woman" is acceptable to the classic ones, it absolutely is not for the nu ones. Many were baptized in kerosene when induced into the community, which is why they ignite at anything that could slight them. Their entire exposure to trannydom has been when it is its most influential and frenzied. It is impossible to for them to conceptualize their existence not being political when they've been conditioned this way from the outset. "I just want to exist", as many of them love to say, has the implicit meaning of "I want to punish everyone who does not entertain my delusions".

The further from the truth their objective is, the more frenzied and violent the push for "acceptance" becomes, even in the face of melting resistance and growing popular support. The movement, for lack of a better term, behaves like a wyvern with a bottomless appetite. They attempt to manipulate societal perceptions about reality through politics, in the hopes that will placate them. There are a smaller elite of psychopaths among them who don't ultimately care about how they're seen (clergy/high priests as others here have called them) but revel in punishment and humiliation, both of their enemies and what they laughably call allies. This cadre is arguably the one that gives it its present direction, even if they do not necessarily coordinate in doing so. 

Humiliation, whether it is dealing with their own feelings of shame, or attempting to humiliate others, is inherent to nu tranny culture. Everything social has to be a performative ritual, and the ever-changing and increasingly stringent rites must be performed correctly. I'm sure all of you have seen various instances of this over your time online. It's a particularly sick social game, and a lot of naive people who seek belonging and understanding suffer for it. 

This whole pattern mirrors leftism, but modern transexualism has taken it to the utmost extreme - or its logical conclusion, one might say. It almost seems like an inevitable consequence that the two would marry and have this complementary, yet abusive relationship.
#37
Very interesting thread. One thing I've noticed throughout all of this stuff whether it's online or off is a intense desire to control to an extreme degree. Desire to control themselves and those around them. I personally believe this is the heart of the thing. You must use the pronouns and play along with their fantasy. They will not tolerate any dissent that ruins their immersion. They don't want to be browsing the internet and come across anything even slightly resembling dissent. They have rapidly expanded their safe spaces both online and irl to include most of the Western world and internet. It also explains the way they are often jannies. A influential reddit mods are trannys. Including one who was involved in local politics whosr father kidnapped and raped a child he kept in a fritzl like dungeon.

In a remarkably short period of time the entire internet internet has been brought into line and the few sites that allow dissent are living like outlaws because of attempts to deplatform them (kiwifarms).

The kiwifarms admin Null has been shut out of most mainstream services and hosting. He also cannot use any payment processors because these people have identified those as weak links.

Say what you will, this is pretty impressive. They are very good at working within the system to achieve their ends. From classic reddit jannies taking over lesbian sub reddits and other women spaces and dominating them to Jonathan Yaniv sueing salons that wouldn't wax his dick and balls.
#38
My primary experience with the nu-trannies mentioned in the thread was from a Google+ friend group that I had assimilated myself into when I was very young. I have had a very strong mental conviction from a very young age so, luckily, I escaped those years unscathed.

The fact that I was able to hang around this group of teenagers and young adults for so long really reveals how concealed the sinister nature of transsexuality online can be. For the first year, I didn't even know there were any trannies. At the group's conception, there were three trannies (all young adults: the youngest being 21, the oldest being 24) out of 10 people. The youngest member of the group was in his last year of middle school. What were these adult fetishists doing hanging around a group of children?

It was obvious that all these kids were dysfunctional, neglected, or severely autistic in some way.  The adult transsexuals actually seemed well-adjusted in contrast. In retrospect, I assume that this was simply a façade for a broken past— I sincerely believe that most trannies are spiritually shattered individuals knowingly rebuilding themselves into disgusting mockeries. In this way, they carved a way into the social lives of children by means of similar interests (Terraria, Cave Story, Minecraft, Undertale, Homestuck.) Autists of a certain era had gathered around those pieces of media and were ripe for "trooning," so to speak.

In contrast with the flagrantly predatory Discord server @skorr wrote about, I believe that the most effective grooming happens in loose-knit groups of "friends" like these. Simply through casually interacting with a group of young social outcasts online, 3 troons turned 7 children into some flavor of trans/homosexual. Being "there for you" is all it takes. It never crossed their minds that the "gender questioning" they were "experiencing" was a result of subtle predation. I pray for their souls.
#39
I agree with godvvins I think one of the more subtle forms of grooming is being part of these hobby’s/subcultures. It is implicit to these kids that someone like them and presumably used to be like them(similar interests) fixed themselves through this program. They are know a complete person or atleast on the past. Another aspect is the variability of the program. For those wishing to maintain current relationships/aren’t 100% sure etc they can buy womanz clothes secretly, steal family members clothes and present as a woman online. And these levels of commitment advance depending on both your time trooning out-aswell as your life situation. If you live by yourself or have been doing it a while you may go the full way with sex change operations. Middling stages would be buying illicit HRT which I would think is a big step but seems totally trivialised in these communities.
There’s also the mentorship part of it. You know this person and trust them maybe even learned subculture/vidya lore etc. They have experienced all the further steps and are there for you 100% think boxing coach or AA sponsor.

 I may add to this thread with further thoughts. Don’t want to just vomit half baked thoughts over the board. It’s interesting to observe the banality of something so grotesque. *Chemically Castating yourself while a creeper blows up your base*
#40
(07-05-2022, 09:43 PM)godvvins Wrote: My primary experience with the nu-trannies mentioned in the thread was from a Google+ friend group that I had assimilated myself into when I was very young. I have had a very strong mental conviction from a very young age so, luckily, I escaped those years unscathed.

The fact that I was able to hang around this group of teenagers and young adults for so long really reveals how concealed the sinister nature of transsexuality online can be. For the first year, I didn't even know there were any trannies. At the group's conception, there were three trannies (all young adults: the youngest being 21, the oldest being 24) out of 10 people. The youngest member of the group was in his last year of middle school. What were these adult fetishists doing hanging around a group of children?

It was obvious that all these kids were dysfunctional, neglected, or severely autistic in some way.  The adult transsexuals actually seemed well-adjusted in contrast. In retrospect, I assume that this was simply a façade for a broken past— I sincerely believe that most trannies are spiritually shattered individuals knowingly rebuilding themselves into disgusting mockeries. In this way, they carved a way into the social lives of children by means of similar interests (Terraria, Cave Story, Minecraft, Undertale, Homestuck.) Autists of a certain era had gathered around those pieces of media and were ripe for "trooning," so to speak.

I disagree with them being individuals that carve their way into the social lives of children since most trannies were in these fandoms before they transitioned. It's probably something more inherent about the game than the people infiltrating it.


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