Internet Tranny Sociology Thread
#21
Nah, they were never "potential incel warriors" - upon careful inspections you'll notice they're more failed normie types, the incels of the self-pitying, tfw no gf type, which is of a more common branch still to the "new incel" who is someone who is simply grossed out by what everything has been reduced to (I'll go as far as to say that they're the "true normies" since they're more reasonable and normal than what the normies are now). (This discussion raises the question if eastern europeans are automatically incels even if we have sex)

Cowardice, treason, weak character, a need to belong, retroactive consoommaxxing - all of those can be reasons to troon out. Again, cult
#22
I do wonder how the troon's conception of art differs from more orthodox perspectives. Around 2018 I found J-core - Jap EDM of the fast, loud variety. To me and all the teens I knew on Twitch, it was like crack. All of these people were strange, I realize now it was a sign the scene was infested with trannies.

At the time my mental state was fragile, unstable, disturbed. One of my favorite artists was "Kobaryo" - he makes speedcore. Words like "painful" "chaotic" "unhealthy" can be used to describe his songs. They're well designed with good melodies, but the appeal is in the rapid BPM which adds a feeling of emotional disarray: like a mental breakdown given form.
Most normal people can't fathom liking this spew of noise, but I found it quite simple: the music "sympathizes" with me. The songs' climax of jittery beats and dramatic melodies symbolized my own emotional trauma, and amplified it; personified it. Even the more upbeat and happy tracks had a feeling of mental illness to them, like a fake smile.

I don't know if this method of projecting your own feelings onto music is the default way people consume, but I still do it. Right now I listen to the Darkest Dungeon II soundtrack as its themes of melancholy, adversity, suffering, and stress help me to cope with my near-sweatshop work conditions, giving it meaning. Trannies too seem to internalize their illness, exacerbating it with disordered music that "understands" them. In this sense they groom themselves into being trannies since the very music itself promotes madness. Perhaps the phenomena of treating art like an outlet to express yourself is indicative of consoomerism as a whole.

Even if the music is "good" (as in it's pleasing to hear), music being a personification of negative emotions seems very basely; not lindy. Music does appeal to the body since our bodies are inherently rhythmic, which is why rhythm-heavy music helps you work out. But artists in the past have used it to do much more than simply say "I'm frustrated and angry Sad" in musical form. Music that promotes rage, fear, and other intemperate emotions have only been popping up for the past several decades, perhaps technology has aided this (see: dubstep, metal, etc.) I definitely think music becoming more animalistic has contributed to the deterioration of people's minds.


While on music, I will note: the youngest trannies (~14 year olds) seem to be getting hooked on Electro Swing (Especially of the Japanese variety, it exists and is growing rapidly). It seems to have the same effect on zoomers as FNAF/Undertale fan music had on them, and a lot of the Electro Swing artists in this scene do seem to originate from Tumblr and those fandoms. Perhaps there's something to elaborate on with how trannies become obsessively absorbed into the fiction they consume, but I'll leave it there.
#23
Hmm. Took a listen to one of Kobaryo's songs - they're kind of upbeat, that entire "supergenre" was popular here a couple of years ago but was just called "rave." The reasons are completely different though, most find it sort of motivating, jumpy, gets you in an active mood, no trannyism detected in the music itself. I guess it's one of those "the water that hardens the egg softens the potato" things.

Reminds me of something I wrote about on twitter a while ago, about "organic psyops" and such things where it's not the piece of media that carries the harmful memetics, but the fans.
#24
speaking from personal experience, i would attribute the recent popularity of such music to osu. i used to be a top player in a related rhythm game, which is much less weeaboo-centric, and the tendency in such games is for people to gravitate towards high-BPM music with lots of rhythmic drive, because that is what lends itself to challenging and enjoyable gameplay. osu is by far the most popular of these games and has a huge overlap with anime-based communities, which means it is as it were a tributary upstream of tranny culture. indeed, kobaryo goreshit camellia etc. are all very popular artists within the osu community.
#25
(06-12-2022, 09:02 PM)Guest Wrote: Most normal people can't fathom liking this spew of noise, but I found it quite simple: the music "sympathizes" with me. The songs' climax of jittery beats and dramatic melodies symbolized my own emotional trauma, and amplified it; personified it. Even the more upbeat and happy tracks had a feeling of mental illness to them, like a fake smile.
My experience is similar to yours. Throughout all of middle and high school, I listened to extremely abrasive speedcore, breakcore, and power-noise, though it wasn't a compensation for trauma so much as deadness of feeling. The music supplied an intensity my everyday life lacked, and so prevented me from humiliating myself by acting on my desires.

(06-12-2022, 09:02 PM)Guest Wrote: I don't know if this method of projecting your own feelings onto music is the default way people consume, but I still do it.
My internal experience of music has always been distinctly "image-centric": it evokes in my mind's eye a particular action, place, or (third-person) feeling, and while that may be pleasing to "look at" or think about, it never feels like reassurance.

(06-12-2022, 09:02 PM)Guest Wrote: While on music, I will note: the youngest trannies (~14 year olds) seem to be getting hooked on Electro Swing (Especially of the Japanese variety, it exists and is growing rapidly). It seems to have the same effect on zoomers as FNAF/Undertale fan music had on them, and a lot of the Electro Swing artists in this scene do seem to originate from Tumblr and those fandoms. Perhaps there's something to elaborate on with how trannies become obsessively absorbed into the fiction they consume, but I'll leave it there.
Electro-Swing is like FNAF/Undertale fan music, Bo Burnham, or Bollywood show-tunes in that I feel intense embarrassment just listening to it. I imagine you'd have to be really immersed in your little cubbyhole of reassurance to not feel the same way. Not so much a cause as a symptom of being hugboxed.
#26
Been thinking about these. In order to discuss the Internet Tranny, we need to separate the "Tranny types:"

Most "current" trannies fall into 3 main categories, and one auxiliary category:

1. "Ubercoomers" - AGPs, fetishists - the grossest and most "outrageous," loud, brash, but very idiosyncratic. Tranny prostitutes, fetishists, drag queens - the classic degenerates. Andy Warhol crowd types. Usually not at the forefront of culture war shit because for them it was never really an identity, to them it's a naughty game. Primary motivation for trannyism is sexual. Doesn't pass, doesn't care. Rarely even transitions. Never suicides.

2. "Netrannies" - the one we're talking about here - borne out of individuals with certain traits, and a lifestyle that can be described as "terminally online." Main trait is an incredibly weak identity, high insecurity, and a feel that something is "missing" from their lives. They're natural escapists. Their trannyism comes slowly - they crush on a fictional girl and start avatarfagging as her. Because their "meatspace" presence is so weak, and their sense of identity also so weak, they will start seeing their "online self" as the "true self" - and the avatar as who they are. In a way, also autogynephilia, but one which is greatly boosted by identity doubts. Unlike type 1's who are very confident and self-assured, these know they don't belong, they're incredibly awkward and insecure. Disproportionately staff the janny lines, and almost constantly participates in e-drama. Doesn't pass, cares, wants to off himself. Gets totally blackpilled if transitions, chances of suicide gigantic. Dreams of troonjak qrts every night. Primary motivation: sense of relevance, reconciling a more vibrant online life with the boring, almost nonexistent offline one - identity of the self.

3. The groomed - A refinement of type 2's, and the newest installment of the tranny saga - like the previous one, identity issues are the main cause, but this time collective ones. Neurotic but excessively agreeable, they crave belonging, which the fact that traditional associations (nation, church, etc) are now politically incorrect makes extremely difficult. Will fall into fanbase-oriented rabbit holes, the local "troon chapters" where they'll be groomed by other trannies into joining. Auxiliary hook is sexual - the chaste but incredibly "dirty" young zoomer stands no chance. Sometimes the grooming happens irl, even by the family, from the youngest age - this might result in yet another type of tranny in the future. The first ones to really interact with faggotry after it openly became a meta-ethnicity. Will transition if not stopped, and suicide probably follows, but sometimes "revenants" who realize they were tricked and are angry appear, "detransition" and become firebrand (as much as it's possible for an eunuch) speakers against the whole tomfoolery. Primary motivation: needing to belong.

4. Made (Wo)men. The High Priests and also Capos of the Alphabet Mafia/cult. The convergence of all 3 types, can come from any of them. Title gained when they transition, and go all in, cross the event horizon. Leads all the grooming groups, openly advocates the spread of trannyism, active politically not just online but also in real life. Literally left humanity behind. Paradigm shift as all philosophical/ideological self interest is gone, and motivation becomes almost entirely malignancy towards non-faggots, and to convert as many as trannyism as possible. Also never suicides.
#27
Politics and trannies go hand in hand. It is physically impossible for a troon to not be a political extremist of some type. I remember on tumblr, beginning from 2014 when trannyism spread, it infected obscure political circles the most. ml, mlm, anarchist, all the assorted faggots. One that caught my eye the most were maoist third worldists (a whole thread could be written on them) because it was a given at the time that if you were a third worldist you were either brown, a tranny, or both. One group appeared from these circles called raim, revolutionary anti imperialist movement and they were 100% tranny but their aesthetic was 'hardcore revolutionary', think Atomwaffen with dilators. Don't feel like combing through archives, but there's a video of them getting accosted by tea party boomers because the future trannies kept insulting them. Can only link the channel which has a pfp of smiling african children on it for some reason: https://www.youtube.com/user/raimdenver
#28
Whatever subgroups there may be - there are some good nuanced, specific attempts to categorize them here - the main categories, or at least another major way to split them, look to be the "classic" troons vs the "nu" ones. The latter overwhelmingly exceeds the former, at least when it comes to the internet. This is seemingly also the case in real life now too, although that's fairly inevitable as I've seen maybe one or two possible trannies in my life before this current era.

I couldn't say exactly how many of the "nu" ones experience dysphoria when virtually all of the classic ones do, but the main distinction is in their behaviour and objectives.

The classic trannies seem to seldom openly identify with LGBT imagery and collective identity. They will insist they are a woman - ftms are much less common - of course, but are less likely to be open about their status. They almost exclusively grew up before the Tumblr petri dish of insanity era of the internet, or were not involved with it, and therefore are unlikely to employ the ubiquitous, bizarre nu-speak that the nu troons latch on to.

From what I've seen from the classic ones, YWBNAWing them is but a minor annoyance. One put it like this: "it's like saying you should give up on working out, if you knew you couldn't ever look like Schwarzenegger." This analogy will seem odd to non Kool-Aid drinking people, who rightly see it as either you're male or female. It's not something that we could understand ourselves without having their perception of reality, which comes with the territory. But, as others have pointed out, none of them really see sex as a binary. Hence, the need to "transition" in some shape or form, even if it doesn't involve surgery or taking meds. Both the classic and nu ones may deny this with "uh, I've always been a woman" at times when confronted, even if their actions are at complete odds with this.

Being able to do "girl things" is enough for the classic types. Being "kind of a girl" is good enough. Being called "she" in public is enough; they won't care if you privately see them as a man with a mental illness. Any small victory is a victory for them. This separates them from the nu trannies that are hellbent on social control and punishing so-called transphobia.


(06-18-2022, 01:58 AM)vlos Wrote: Politics and trannies go hand in hand. It is physically impossible for a troon to not be a political extremist of some type.

A lot of these classic trannies also used to be more into politics (e.g. pre-eternal summer ex-/pol/ users), but in general are much less visible - virtually, not necessarily physically - comparatively to the extremely visible and vocal nu trannies. They might flirt with race realism or other fringe ideas, but in general are much more discretionary about what they show of themselves to others. If anon, their writing style and tone may make you question their sex. It's almost certain that they weren't groomed, and not very likely to be groomers themselves. 

The thing is, being a tranny is inherently political to the nu trannies, and everything they do shows it. Any insistence such as "my existence is not political" is not demonstrated by them in the least. Politics is the most dominant method of achieving control and power over any level of society, and thus it is an attractive means to attempt to realize what they wish for. This is especially the case for men who have a natural inclination to it, no matter if he wants to feel like a woman. Therefore, they believe they will only feel truly accepted once they achieve their objectives, which are also rather nebulous. They know they do not have the control and power to actually make themselves into the opposite sex, so society must be the one bending to accommodate them. 

While being "kind of a woman" is acceptable to the classic ones, it absolutely is not for the nu ones. Many were baptized in kerosene when induced into the community, which is why they ignite at anything that could slight them. Their entire exposure to trannydom has been when it is its most influential and frenzied. It is impossible to for them to conceptualize their existence not being political when they've been conditioned this way from the outset. "I just want to exist", as many of them love to say, has the implicit meaning of "I want to punish everyone who does not entertain my delusions".

The further from the truth their objective is, the more frenzied and violent the push for "acceptance" becomes, even in the face of melting resistance and growing popular support. The movement, for lack of a better term, behaves like a wyvern with a bottomless appetite. They attempt to manipulate societal perceptions about reality through politics, in the hopes that will placate them. There are a smaller elite of psychopaths among them who don't ultimately care about how they're seen (clergy/high priests as others here have called them) but revel in punishment and humiliation, both of their enemies and what they laughably call allies. This cadre is arguably the one that gives it its present direction, even if they do not necessarily coordinate in doing so. 

Humiliation, whether it is dealing with their own feelings of shame, or attempting to humiliate others, is inherent to nu tranny culture. Everything social has to be a performative ritual, and the ever-changing and increasingly stringent rites must be performed correctly. I'm sure all of you have seen various instances of this over your time online. It's a particularly sick social game, and a lot of naive people who seek belonging and understanding suffer for it. 

This whole pattern mirrors leftism, but modern transexualism has taken it to the utmost extreme - or its logical conclusion, one might say. It almost seems like an inevitable consequence that the two would marry and have this complementary, yet abusive relationship.
#29
Very interesting thread. One thing I've noticed throughout all of this stuff whether it's online or off is a intense desire to control to an extreme degree. Desire to control themselves and those around them. I personally believe this is the heart of the thing. You must use the pronouns and play along with their fantasy. They will not tolerate any dissent that ruins their immersion. They don't want to be browsing the internet and come across anything even slightly resembling dissent. They have rapidly expanded their safe spaces both online and irl to include most of the Western world and internet. It also explains the way they are often jannies. A influential reddit mods are trannys. Including one who was involved in local politics whosr father kidnapped and raped a child he kept in a fritzl like dungeon.

In a remarkably short period of time the entire internet internet has been brought into line and the few sites that allow dissent are living like outlaws because of attempts to deplatform them (kiwifarms).

The kiwifarms admin Null has been shut out of most mainstream services and hosting. He also cannot use any payment processors because these people have identified those as weak links.

Say what you will, this is pretty impressive. They are very good at working within the system to achieve their ends. From classic reddit jannies taking over lesbian sub reddits and other women spaces and dominating them to Jonathan Yaniv sueing salons that wouldn't wax his dick and balls.
#30
My primary experience with the nu-trannies mentioned in the thread was from a Google+ friend group that I had assimilated myself into when I was very young. I have had a very strong mental conviction from a very young age so, luckily, I escaped those years unscathed.

The fact that I was able to hang around this group of teenagers and young adults for so long really reveals how concealed the sinister nature of transsexuality online can be. For the first year, I didn't even know there were any trannies. At the group's conception, there were three trannies (all young adults: the youngest being 21, the oldest being 24) out of 10 people. The youngest member of the group was in his last year of middle school. What were these adult fetishists doing hanging around a group of children?

It was obvious that all these kids were dysfunctional, neglected, or severely autistic in some way.  The adult transsexuals actually seemed well-adjusted in contrast. In retrospect, I assume that this was simply a façade for a broken past— I sincerely believe that most trannies are spiritually shattered individuals knowingly rebuilding themselves into disgusting mockeries. In this way, they carved a way into the social lives of children by means of similar interests (Terraria, Cave Story, Minecraft, Undertale, Homestuck.) Autists of a certain era had gathered around those pieces of media and were ripe for "trooning," so to speak.

In contrast with the flagrantly predatory Discord server @skorr wrote about, I believe that the most effective grooming happens in loose-knit groups of "friends" like these. Simply through casually interacting with a group of young social outcasts online, 3 troons turned 7 children into some flavor of trans/homosexual. Being "there for you" is all it takes. It never crossed their minds that the "gender questioning" they were "experiencing" was a result of subtle predation. I pray for their souls.
#31
I agree with godvvins I think one of the more subtle forms of grooming is being part of these hobby’s/subcultures. It is implicit to these kids that someone like them and presumably used to be like them(similar interests) fixed themselves through this program. They are know a complete person or atleast on the past. Another aspect is the variability of the program. For those wishing to maintain current relationships/aren’t 100% sure etc they can buy womanz clothes secretly, steal family members clothes and present as a woman online. And these levels of commitment advance depending on both your time trooning out-aswell as your life situation. If you live by yourself or have been doing it a while you may go the full way with sex change operations. Middling stages would be buying illicit HRT which I would think is a big step but seems totally trivialised in these communities.
There’s also the mentorship part of it. You know this person and trust them maybe even learned subculture/vidya lore etc. They have experienced all the further steps and are there for you 100% think boxing coach or AA sponsor.

 I may add to this thread with further thoughts. Don’t want to just vomit half baked thoughts over the board. It’s interesting to observe the banality of something so grotesque. *Chemically Castating yourself while a creeper blows up your base*
#32
(07-08-2022, 11:45 PM)chungus Wrote:
(07-05-2022, 09:43 PM)godvvins Wrote: My primary experience with the nu-trannies mentioned in the thread was from a Google+ friend group that I had assimilated myself into when I was very young. I have had a very strong mental conviction from a very young age so, luckily, I escaped those years unscathed.

The fact that I was able to hang around this group of teenagers and young adults for so long really reveals how concealed the sinister nature of transsexuality online can be. For the first year, I didn't even know there were any trannies. At the group's conception, there were three trannies (all young adults: the youngest being 21, the oldest being 24) out of 10 people. The youngest member of the group was in his last year of middle school. What were these adult fetishists doing hanging around a group of children?

It was obvious that all these kids were dysfunctional, neglected, or severely autistic in some way.  The adult transsexuals actually seemed well-adjusted in contrast. In retrospect, I assume that this was simply a façade for a broken past— I sincerely believe that most trannies are spiritually shattered individuals knowingly rebuilding themselves into disgusting mockeries. In this way, they carved a way into the social lives of children by means of similar interests (Terraria, Cave Story, Minecraft, Undertale, Homestuck.) Autists of a certain era had gathered around those pieces of media and were ripe for "trooning," so to speak.

I disagree with them being individuals that carve their way into the social lives of children since most trannies were in these fandoms before they transitioned. It's probably something more inherent about the game than the people infiltrating it.
I think it's less that it's inherent about the game and more that these trannies have trapped themselves in an infantile state of mind where they can "play pretend" as man or woman. The adult mind of a child holds the interests of an child to an obsessive, autistic degree.
#33
(07-08-2022, 11:45 PM)chungus Wrote: I disagree with them being individuals that carve their way into the social lives of children since most trannies were in these fandoms before they transitioned.

It's a least a decade into the whole project by now. I first became conscious of troons around '11-'12 reading SA forums for Let's Plays and webcomics, the current crop would be the next gen of directionless homebody kids who fell in with the older ones.

Lucky for me I've never been very open to group chats on the internet and keep to public forums, and so view trannies solely as a stifling outside force come to enforce their bizarre norms and ban any recalcitrant shitlords who dare mock them.
#34
I don't know if this was brought up yet in this thread, but there is definitely something going on with the specific "troon" sub-type of tranny. A lot of them conceptualize themselves as "hot" and a lot of it is dismissed as some sort of delusional cope or whatnot, but is it?

Have any of you seen the kinds of girlfriends nerds have? They're absolutely disgusting pigs in every way. Their "redeeming quality" in the eyes of a nerd is that they are into all the same hobbies they are. That's what they value, or have been reduced to forcing to value by the sexual market. A nerd will legitimately look at an obese, acne riddled, blue haired, smelly pig and say she's "hot" because she knows a lot about comic books or some shit.

They are turning themselves into their own warped ideal of what "hot" is. I don't think it's entirely a cope on their part. They would love to date the tranny version of themselves.
#35
I can empathize with guys like Giuli who seek out a relationship with skinny handsome/passable kindhearted tranny over some fat pig. Fatties do not know anything about comic books and are bitches. The ultimate partner hypothetically is biologically female but mentally a submissive male. I think in the future we will genetically engineer females to have the more male psychological traits of generosity, kindheartedness, rationality, reciprocity, and high IQ, to make them superior mothers and romantic partners.
#36
(07-15-2022, 11:16 PM)BillyONare Wrote: I can empathize with guys like Giuli who seek out a relationship with skinny handsome/passable kindhearted tranny over some fat pig.

Given this choice I'd rather never have sex again. If it's not a troll post, then I'm not sure what to say to you. Under normal social limitations, there's nothing wrong with women per se; everyone knows what they are, what to expect from them. They don't need any kind of genetic engineering. The bad sides that show today are a result of a nigh-complete immunity to criticism and responsibility in modern polite society.
#37
Due to having no rights for millions of years women stopped evolving millions of years ago and are maladapted to civilization. In a way this is like a cosmic punishment for violating the non-aggression principle against human-like creatures. You could similarly say that American blacks are our punishment for slavery. Not that we have to be a cuck and accept these things.

@Guest Yes, the problems are mainly due to the state of society right now, but even in an ideal society I could see it being somewhat exhausting to have to constantly play psychological games and fluff your feathers to keep women sane. Per Jim it is always peacocking, theatrics, and intimidation with women, even in non-feminist times and they will never be good conversationalists or rational actors or have true admiration and loyalty for a man.

The abhorrent state of women right now emboldens fags and troons. They can smell the blood and see the limping.
#38
(07-15-2022, 11:16 PM)BillyONare Wrote: I can empathize with guys like Giuli who seek out a relationship with skinny handsome/passable kindhearted tranny over some fat pig. Fatties do not know anything about comic books and are bitches. The ultimate partner hypothetically is biologically female but mentally a submissive male. I think in the future we will genetically engineer females to have the more male psychological traits of generosity, kindheartedness, rationality, reciprocity, and high IQ, to make them superior mothers and romantic partners.

Trannies are the worst of both worlds. Really a kind of deformed twink but LARPing as an imitation female. No vagina, the female sex characteristics are all imitation, you can probably still tell that they're male, even. Their personality is only male-brained insofar as it's a disturbing parody of femininity.
#39
(07-15-2022, 11:16 PM)BillyONare Wrote: I can empathize with guys like Giuli who seek out a relationship with skinny handsome/passable kindhearted tranny over some fat pig. Fatties do not know anything about comic books and are bitches. The ultimate partner hypothetically is biologically female but mentally a submissive male. I think in the future we will genetically engineer females to have the more male psychological traits of generosity, kindheartedness, rationality, reciprocity, and high IQ, to make them superior mothers and romantic partners.

Looking forward to your Fuentes moment.
#40
(07-16-2022, 05:41 PM)Coyote Wrote:
(07-15-2022, 11:16 PM)BillyONare Wrote: I can empathize with guys like Giuli who seek out a relationship with skinny handsome/passable kindhearted tranny over some fat pig. Fatties do not know anything about comic books and are bitches. The ultimate partner hypothetically is biologically female but mentally a submissive male. I think in the future we will genetically engineer females to have the more male psychological traits of generosity, kindheartedness, rationality, reciprocity, and high IQ, to make them superior mothers and romantic partners.

Looking forward to your Fuentes moment.

YWNBAW



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