Internet Tranny Sociology Thread
#41
Bro, you just said you'd fuck a tranny over a fat chick. Or is "YWNBAW" sort of your catch phrase that you throw around in all situations, whether it makes sense or not?

Listen man, this isn't twitter. You can't go around acting like a fucking tough guy and not get tested. I'm more than willing to get lunch if you're feeling brave, and you can tell me all the non-sequitur tranny insults you like when you're not behind the 108 keys of courage. You might not be going home with the same number of teeth, but hey, thems the condequences.

Until then, shut the fuck up you tranny loving faggot.
#42
(07-15-2022, 11:16 PM)BillyONare Wrote: I can empathize with guys like Giuli who seek out a relationship with skinny handsome/passable kindhearted tranny over some fat pig. Fatties do not know anything about comic books and are bitches. The ultimate partner hypothetically is biologically female but mentally a submissive male. I think in the future we will genetically engineer females to have the more male psychological traits of generosity, kindheartedness, rationality, reciprocity, and high IQ, to make them superior mothers and romantic partners.

An interesting proposition but it got me thinking. The tranny movement has no real roots in the meatspace gay activism of decades past. Clearly the concept has existed in one way or another in the past, but only the internet has made it possible for them to keep up the mystique to entice other men. Disposable identities, lonely men, autism, communication primarily but not exclusively through text; a perfect cocktail. A society could have all the other factors that contribute to this (women's lib, skyrocketing virginity, decadence, etc.) and still not have a tranny epidemic on this scale. (Did Weimar Germany have incels?)

My question: If Zuck gets his way and internet anonymity/pseudonymity disappears, will we still have Lainbrain Discord trannies everywhere?

(07-17-2022, 10:30 AM)Coyote Wrote: Bro, you just said you'd fuck a tranny over a fat chick. Or is "YWNBAW" sort of your catch phrase that you throw around in all situations, whether it makes sense or not?

Listen man, this isn't twitter. You can't go around acting like a fucking tough guy and not get tested. I'm more than willing to get lunch if you're feeling brave, and you can tell me all the non-sequitur tranny insults you like when you're not behind the 108 keys of courage. You might not be going home with the same number of teeth, but hey, thems the condequences.

Until then, shut the fuck up you tranny loving faggot.

Lol
#43
(07-15-2022, 11:16 PM)BillyONare Wrote: I can empathize with guys like Giuli who seek out a relationship with skinny handsome/passable kindhearted tranny over some fat pig. Fatties do not know anything about comic books and are bitches. The ultimate partner hypothetically is biologically female but mentally a submissive male. I think in the future we will genetically engineer females to have the more male psychological traits of generosity, kindheartedness, rationality, reciprocity, and high IQ, to make them superior mothers and romantic partners.

Incredible that you would say this. I believe you are conflating autistic traits and male traits, but perhaps that is just me making excuses for you. The idea of genetically engineering females to have male psychological traits is borderline tranny fantasy. Either you log off and rope or exclusively pursue women with autism (yes, they are real).
#44


Haven't caught up on the thread but this is important. Trannies love low fidelity. Particularly low fidelity crossed with high complexity. This is a world an autist can be comfortable in and master. And trannies are the most extreme kind of autist because they've bought entirely into a low fidelity high complexity scheme irl to try to win life.
#45
I have thought of doing the latter and have some ideas on how to pursue it, but it will be difficult. Ironically I have sort of a bold, brash, and flashy personality which I don’t think is to the tastes of aspie girls while it helps with normal foids. It seems they want more of a Lex Fridman type quiet hermit guy who isn’t too controversial and doesn’t get in arguments and fights with people. Maybe I am wrong about this and aspie girls repulsion with me was due to me not being very attractive. @godvvins
#46
(07-18-2022, 09:41 PM)BillyONare Wrote: Ironically I have sort of a bold, brash, and flashy personality which I don’t think is to the tastes of aspie girls while it helps with normal foids.

Just rape them.
#47
(07-15-2022, 11:16 PM)BillyONare Wrote: The ultimate partner hypothetically is biologically female but mentally a submissive male. I think in the future we will genetically engineer females to have the more male psychological traits of generosity, kindheartedness, rationality, reciprocity, and high IQ, to make them superior mothers and romantic partners.
While I was gone, I did some deep thonking about (among other things) what sort of woman I ought to marry, and I've come to the same conclusion: as attracted as I am to physical femininity, the aggregate female personality disgusts me beyond measure. The only women I can admire on a level beyond "I'd come on her face" are the thoroughly male-brained ones.

The most potent tranny-breeding media, the sort that really lay their autogynephilic eggs in the interstices between your vertebrae, are those that depict interesting male and female characters in even amounts, giving the impression that any man can find a woman who is his equal in temperament. An unrealistic fantasy, but compelling to the highly aspergic. And once you've started fantasising about this complement to yourself you're exponentially more receptive to the prospect of "becoming" her.

Homestuck, with its perfect 50:50 gender ratio and gratuitous power-scaling, is the archetypal example.
#48
Has anyone bothered to ask the trannies or their supporters if and how transgenderism existed prior to tranny surgery and synthetic hormones? Seems like this has been overlooked. I see people now starting to pose to them the "Are animals transgender?" question and getting various types of lunatic answers back, but it seems like an obvious question to start out with.

Did "transgender" people exist before surgery and hormones allowed them to have costumes? If so, how did this work?

This might be the most hardcore technological determinism yet depending on what the Department Chairs agree on as an "answer."
#49
(07-26-2022, 01:58 PM)Coyote Wrote: Has anyone bothered to ask the trannies or their supporters if and how transgenderism existed prior to tranny surgery and synthetic hormones?  Seems like this has been overlooked.  I see people now starting to pose to them the "Are animals transgender?" question and getting various types of lunatic answers back, but it seems like an obvious question to start out with.

Did "transgender" people exist before surgery and hormones allowed them to have costumes?  If so, how did this work?

This might be the most hardcore technological determinism yet depending on what the Department Chairs agree on as an "answer."

It seems to me they existed but just left it at that, living life as a 'woman in a man's body'. Quentin Crisp's idea of himself is interesting:

"At the age of 90 Crisp wrote that he had "accepted" that he was transgender. In The Last Word, published posthumously, Crisp wrote, "Having labeled myself homosexual and having been labeled as such by the wider world, I have effectively lived a 'gay' life for most of my years. Consequently, I can relate to gay men because I have more or less been one for so long in spite of my actual fate being that of a woman trapped in a man's body. I refer to myself as homosexual without thinking because of how I have lived my life. If you are reading this and are gay, think of me as one of your own even though you now know the truth. If it's confusing for you, think how confusing it has been for me these past ninety years."
#50
(07-26-2022, 02:48 PM)Oldblood Wrote:
(07-26-2022, 01:58 PM)Coyote Wrote: Has anyone bothered to ask the trannies or their supporters if and how transgenderism existed prior to tranny surgery and synthetic hormones?  Seems like this has been overlooked.  I see people now starting to pose to them the "Are animals transgender?" question and getting various types of lunatic answers back, but it seems like an obvious question to start out with.

Did "transgender" people exist before surgery and hormones allowed them to have costumes?  If so, how did this work?

This might be the most hardcore technological determinism yet depending on what the Department Chairs agree on as an "answer."

It seems to me they existed but just left it at that, living life as a 'woman in a man's body'. Quentin Crisp's idea of himself is interesting:

"At the age of 90 Crisp wrote that he had "accepted" that he was transgender. In The Last Word, published posthumously, Crisp wrote, "Having labeled myself homosexual and having been labeled as such by the wider world, I have effectively lived a 'gay' life for most of my years. Consequently, I can relate to gay men because I have more or less been one for so long in spite of my actual fate being that of a woman trapped in a man's body. I refer to myself as homosexual without thinking because of how I have lived my life. If you are reading this and are gay, think of me as one of your own even though you now know the truth. If it's confusing for you, think how confusing it has been for me these past ninety years."

I don't think that quite gets to it.  Crisp would have lived at least part of his life knowing that sex change surgery and hormone therapy were possible.  What did someone in say 1000 BC think, if anything at all?  Would a hypothetical 1000 BC tranny be like "Some day, there will be medical procedures to allow me to be my true self!"?
#51
(07-26-2022, 01:58 PM)Coyote Wrote: Has anyone bothered to ask the trannies or their supporters if and how transgenderism existed prior to tranny surgery and synthetic hormones?  Seems like this has been overlooked. 

I've also seen stuff like the very closely related "two-spirited" (for Natives in the Americas) being proof of transgenderism being lindy, or this outcast group in India called the "Hijra" (basically male crossdressers who are sometimes eunuchs) who have been around since at least the time of the Mughals as another example. To me all of these historical references look like desperate attempts to tie it to this modern understanding of what it is. They parrot these things with pride despite the reality that these instances were always shunned and condemned by society at large and/or fulfilled extremely nice roles, and also make incredible reaches like a record of 2000 year old feminized catamite is proof that they've always been there and used to be accepted. 

Even if we were to take all these other examples at face value, which is ridiculous, the examples they give were always in the fringes of society and frowned upon/punished.  It's really quite insane once you get down to it.
#52
(07-28-2022, 03:46 AM)Youkai Wrote:
(07-26-2022, 01:58 PM)Coyote Wrote: Has anyone bothered to ask the trannies or their supporters if and how transgenderism existed prior to tranny surgery and synthetic hormones?  Seems like this has been overlooked. 

I've also seen stuff like the very closely related "two-spirited" (for Natives in the Americas) being proof of transgenderism being lindy, or this outcast group in India called the "Hijra" (basically male crossdressers who are sometimes eunuchs) who have been around since at least the time of the Mughals as another example. To me all of these historical references look like desperate attempts to tie it to this modern understanding of what it is. They parrot these things with pride despite the reality that these instances were always shunned and condemned by society at large and/or fulfilled extremely nice roles, and also make incredible reaches like a record of 2000 year old feminized catamite is proof that they've always been there and used to be accepted. 

Even if we were to take all these other examples at face value, which is ridiculous, the examples they give were always in the fringes of society and frowned upon/punished.  It's really quite insane once you get down to it.

As far as the "two spirit" thing goes, that was straight up manufactured by homo activists and does not resemble the reality of North American Indian shamanism in the slightest.
#53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucbx9we6EHk
#54
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/ethan-glui...don.88161/
The only reason all these troons have latched onto dnb/jungle/breakcore in the last 5-6 years is because splicing/chopping up drum breaks reminds them of doing the same to their genitalia.
#55
(08-30-2022, 03:02 PM)Montherlant Wrote: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/ethan-glui...don.88161/
The only reason all these troons have latched onto dnb/jungle/breakcore in the last 5-6 years is because splicing/chopping up drum breaks reminds them of doing the same to their genitalia.

lol in that thread "seriously, fuck off with the 41% shit, men kill themselves too"

Someone brought up the same point about music earlier in the thread and someone replied it's not particularly tranny music, just rave. Not entirely wrong but trannies do have a preference for high bpm dnb/rave music, I think it's for the same reason it's popular in clubs; it's energetic but easy to process, you can listen to it in the background, it doesn't expect you to pay attention to it or convey one particular feeling like classical music would, it's a vague "right here, right now" feeling.
It's stimulation for the sake of making sure you can still feel something, masturbating can be like this too. As for breakcore and other -core music, it samples clips from the internet, it's relatively obscure, meaning it's what someone with social anxiety that's shut off themselves from the outside world might feel like listening to. I talked to someone who's into breakcore and they said they don't like listening to anything with lyrics in it, why would that be? Why would you dislike hearing a human voice when listening to music unless you listen to music because you can't get a a human to voice thoughts that don't hurt you? That's what I got out of talking to that person, maybe it's not exactly that with all trannies but I can't think of anything else. Breakcore is different than electronic rave music in that the scratches, kicks etc. end at seemingly random intervals and it's completely disorganised (no clear feelings conveyed, dissociative) but still manages to capture a feeling of continuity and passage of time. Assuming you have more of a friend in your computer than in your family and "friends" (and this ties in with "low fidelity" brought up earlier in the thread) then flashing video and audio clips are essentially your life flashing before your eyes and ears.
#56
(08-30-2022, 03:02 PM)Montherlant Wrote: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/ethan-glui...don.88161/
The only reason all these troons have latched onto dnb/jungle/breakcore in the last 5-6 years is because splicing/chopping up drum breaks reminds them of doing the same to their genitalia.
sewerslvt is an interesting case because of the disconnect between his pre-, and post-trooning personas.

pre-trooning sewerslvt was what the neo-schoolmarms would call an "edgelord": he still catches criticism from his fellow picrew-toothpaste-avatar types for taking a prurient interest in sadistic crime and extreme fetishism; arranging his tracklists to spell out the names of murder victims; putting pictures of dead people in his album art; and so on... basically all material from that era has been wiped off his channel, but still persists in archives:



post-trooning sewerslvt is still as troubled as he ever was, if not moreso, but where the pre-trooning material was prurient and energetic, the post-trooning material is... closed-off. hazy. undefined. the good qualities of his work toned down and high-passed into a big blob of nothing. auditory anesthetic.

#57
I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned pornography yet, given that it's both a consistent theme of trannyposting and quite obviously a strong contributing factor to AGP. I don't think troons realize how much they're letting on when they routinely and shamelessly revel in porn as part of their online self-expression, as they so often do.

The relationship between AGP and porn follows straightforwardly from the points about psychosexual fragmentation, virtual reality, Gnostic escapism, etc. which have already been raised upthread. In fact, masturbation in general is symbolically feminine in being focused inward rather than toward any external object: no matter how heterosexual your lusts may be, you simply can't fuck the pretty girl on the screen and so all of the physical pleasure must come through sitting still and receiving it from yourself (unless the sheer thrill of holding a cock does it for you, but I wouldn't find that relatable). This gap between visually mediated imagination and physical reality is dissociative enough even for the fetish-free straight man, and anything else is just leaving orbit entirely. If I were feeling cheeky I would say that in the grand scheme of things, all porn is sissy hypno.

On the other hand, only a small percentage of habitual pornoids do troon, and most never even come close (apologies for that sentence). The pornogenic theory of AGP certainly requires elaboration to fully explain why some are affected while most are not; e.g. pre-existing autism or exposure to cliques of groomers or something. But it's impossible to ignore the unwitting self-conditioning of masturbation, nor the implications of doing so in an endlessly and shapelessly simulated environment. From that perspective trannies are just the most advanced gooners, who have embraced pornography as a total way of life. Thus they freely create it, share it, wear it, spam it in lieu of argument, with no compartmentalization from the rest of their identity. They are limited only according to what the rest of humanity will tolerate.
#58
Tranny here. YWNABW, etc.

This thread has vastly more insight than 99.9% of the takes I've read elsewhere. I've played with most of these angles before, but it is satisfying to see others arrive at similar conclusions independently - particularly those regarding the role of virtuality. This is something I'm actively writing on, and the perspectives here have been insightful.

One point has been missed: Beyond the immediacy of self-regard in AGP, trannies widely fetishize other trannies. This is incredibly persuasive in shaping tranny subcultures - such as 4chan's /tttt/ - and virtually every other tranny space imaginable - particularly hierarchy formation. Often, we come to fetishize trannies long before we transition ourselves. Or we engage in self-insertion fantasies about them. Either way, it instills in us a heightened erotic predisposition towards trannies. Post-transition, autistic shared interests serve to generate romantic commonalities. In this way, erotic desire is bonded to the desire for brotherhood - and though most trannies are not able to name the latter, it remains deeply felt. Deep AGP tranny subcultures - the ones that you don't see outside of private discords - are as autistic and systemizing as this place. They're also unabashedly T4T.

In so far as most (AGP) trannies retain an interest in men, it is largely for narcissistic self-affirmation purposes - and it rarely lasts very long. At two or three years out, the random 4chan 'i'm so straight tranny' discord tranny is called another tranny mommy. The pattern is frequent enough to be justifiably called a law. If you're a moderately okay-looking tranny capable of dampening your autism - there is no lack of chasers or low-mid-status liberal women who will date you for status points. Yet given those options, AGP trannies will largely date exclusively amongst themselves. I believe this had been noted in precursors long ago, such as in the cross-dressing communities of the 70-80s.

It is, in a sense, a misnomer to analogize autistic trannies with their incel counterparts - even though the psychological typographies have some commonalities. Yet where the incel is placed beyond eros, the tranny drowns herself in it. Everything becomes superlatively sexual: from dress, to music, to friendship. At the same point, it is an amorphous and undirected sexuality. More of a mood or a vibe than a directed passion. In this sense, and in that of the preceding paragraphs, it is increasingly becoming more of a lifestyle structure - an entirely self-contained community.
#59
(09-20-2022, 05:03 PM)Guest Wrote: Often, we come to fetishize trannies long before we transition ourselves. Or we engage in self-insertion fantasies about them. Either way, it instills in us a heightened erotic predisposition towards trannies. Post-transition, autistic shared interests serve to generate romantic commonalities. In this way, erotic desire is bonded to the desire for brotherhood - and though most trannies are not able to name the latter, it remains deeply felt. Deep AGP tranny subcultures - the ones that you don't see outside of private discords - are as autistic and systemizing as this place. They're also unabashedly T4T.

This makes me very, very glad that such relationships are categorically incapable of producing offspring. Imagine a child of three or four generations of associative trooning...
#60
(09-20-2022, 09:48 PM)Chud Wrote: This makes me very, very glad that such relationships are categorically incapable of producing offspring. Imagine a child of three or four generations of associative trooning... how far it would diverge from well-formed humanity...

Don't count us out of the game too early. Memetic reproduction will suffice until artificial wombs and embryo-modification take the stage. If we have one advantage here, it is that we are situated to be the earliest adopters of this tech.



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