Israel

[Johnny Meachair]

To pledge one's support for Israel unprompted is to engage in a transaction so unreciprocal, it borders on absurdity

[womanobliterator]

I don't really have any strong opinions on Israel regarding their international behaviour or accusations of "ZOG" (if you genuinely believe Israel controls the world you are insane btw). It's pretty clear that Israel's entire M.O. is just "ally with whoever is convenient at the time in order to achieve mission goal: survive" as can be seen with their historical pseudo-support for pre-GNC South Africa to spite 3rd worldism and secure trade, or their chummy relationship with Azerbaijan in spite of basically every Islamic nation surrounding them (minus a few gulf states) wanting to have them nuked from the face of the earth. Israel is basically doing what any other runty 2nd world power would do in its position, what Israel has that most other runty 2nd world nation's don't is a massively successful ethnic lobby in the most powerful nation on earth and a historical narrative to back them up (sorry Armenians but Neo-con zombies anachronistic fetish for nuking Russia means that we can't subvert Turkey at the moment, maybe if your country is still around in 50 years we'll get onto that).

It will be interesting to see what happens to Israel over the next few decades as their ethnic lobby (mostly composed of rich boomers) starts to die off and the brown grievance lobby becomes more ascendant. I can't see them ever flipping over to the right (at least in the Anglosphere) or being overtaken by the whiny dirt people lobby since dirt people are retarded and can only lobby by appealing to the guilt of retarded white liberals while Jews are more than smart and racially conscious enough to advocate for their own interests. What's more likely to happen is that the Dems will basically put a kibosh on any overt public support for Israeli dominance over the region while still accepting that sweet Jewish donor class cash for more discrete favours. I don't think that Israel will be able to get away with another October 7th retaliation to the same degree in the future, I think instead the dems will probably just switch to funding militant defence while leaning on Israel to accept gay race communism, which Israel will obviously object to but the U.S. Jewish donor class will probably be more sympathetic towards. Remember that Obama unshackled their mortal enemy (Iran) and gave them free reign to do whatever while Trump's administration basically gave Israel whatever it wanted on a silver platter and the Jewish donor class still bankrolled the Dems up to their eyeballs in money for 2020 and Netanyahu instantly flipped on a dime the moment the first news channel projected Biden to have won the election. 

Imo it's probably for the best to keep Israel stable even in the face of their diaspora brethren's absolute hatred for us if only for the sake of having at least one non-retarded nation with an eye on the red sea/Suez canal (and also come on, where do you think the Israeli's would go if Israel were destroyed tomorrow, hint: they won't be heading eastward), but keep in mind that if Israel had a big red button that said "teleport every Arab/Nafri on earth to all the white countries" they would hit it without a second thought or any regret.

[august]

It will be interesting to see what happens to Israel over the next few decades as their ethnic lobby (mostly composed of rich boomers) starts to die off and the brown grievance lobby becomes more ascendant. I can't see them ever flipping over to the right (at least in the Anglosphere) or being overtaken by the whiny dirt people lobby since dirt people are retarded and can only lobby by appealing to the guilt of retarded white liberals while Jews are more than smart and racially conscious enough to advocate for their own interests. What's more likely to happen is that the Dems will basically put a kibosh on any overt public support for Israeli dominance over the region while still accepting that sweet Jewish donor class cash for more discrete favours.

Orthodox Jews don't like democrats and show such dislike in their voting trends.





Obviously, the Orthodox community in New York is well known, but I was surprised to see that apparently the second biggest yeshiva in the world (the biggest being in Israel) is not in New York, but actually in some random town in New Jersey. 

Apparently, these people not only breed like rabbits but also support the legitimate claimant, President Donald John Trump, overwhelmingly. 





Maybe their fecundity will create a successor Israel Lobby in America to replace the current Secular Jewish one and which will not be supportive of Global Turd Worldism. I don't know, I hate this kind of modern politics in America.

[MisterHerrSenor0]

I do think that the vast majority of "anti-Zionism" is really just Marxist and anti-White, hence why we shouldn't be siding with Hamas or treating Israel like the ultimate enemy.
However, I also think that going to the opposite extreme of "Israel is actually a based White RW ally" is similarly wrong. Israel is no more the White man's friend than Hamas is, and supporting them as our ally in the Middle East is counterproductive. There are three reasons why I think this:

1) Israel is not a "White" country, it is multiethnic. The estimates are that Israel is 44.9% Mizrahi, 31.8% Ashkenazi, 12.4% former USSR. And even the White-passing Ashkenazim have plenty of Middle Eastern ancestry. So no, Israel isn't some kind of ethnostate. It's a multiethnic civic nationalist project trying to merge different ethnicities into one Jewish nationality.

2) Zionism is essentially a leftist movement. Moses Hess and Theodor Herzl were leftists. When Israel was founded in 1948, which it won through an anti-colonial guerilla war against Britain, the first country to recognize Israel was the USSR. Zionists today justify Israel's actions by saying Jews are indigenous to Palestine and that they're reversing colonialism. Sure, most leftists hate Israel, just like how they also hate "TERFs." Are radical feminists our allies? No, of course not.

3) Standing with Israel just makes enemies. Seriously, how many Arab terrorists who hate the West cite Israel as one of their main reasons for doing so? Israel lives rent free in the Arab World's head, and as long as we have ties to Israel, we live rent free in the Arab World's head as well. Oh, and Israel doesn't hold Arab terrorists at bay; it raises them up. Imagine how much easier it would be to engage in diplomacy in the MidEast if we didn't carry the baggage of Israel.


My stance on the Arab-Israeli conflict is "Whoever loses, we win." Either we have less Middle Eastern anti-West terrorists in the world, or we have less Middle Eastern anti-West terrorists in the world.

[NuclearAbsolutist]

Standing with Israel just makes enemies. Seriously, how many Arab terrorists who hate the West cite Israel as one of their main reasons for doing so? Israel lives rent free in the Arab World's head, and as long as we have ties to Israel, we live rent free in the Arab World's head as well.

We live rent free in the Arab World's head by the nature of living in a world where a century ago European empire was supreme, glorious decolonization failed to live up to its promises("How come things reverted back to monarchical or republican oriental despotism!?"), various revolutionary national movements failed to beat Israel(Or "remove Western influence") and naturally Western nations remain dominant economic and political players. This clear unfairness lead to a conclusion that radical Islamic fundamentalism would beat the White Western man among certain persons and restore things. The most famous Sunni Jihadist organization of recent years, ISIS explicitly made it clear that they saw Israel-Palestine as a distraction from the general state of Muslims being oppressed by their regimes who in turn were puppets of the crusaders(America chief among them) naturally said regimes have been at the forefront of suppressing/managing these tendencies this since the beginning to keep power. Since 1979's Islamic Revolution Shia Iran has spent billions in oil money funding and arming fellow travelers with not just the grand goal of beating Israel but kicking the US out of the region(And the downfall of certain Gulf states for ideological reasons which naturally in turn has lead to a decades long proxy war between the two recently quieted down) Which brings me to my big point, at our point in time all this struggle has left
Western friendly Gulf states and Egypt who have officially or de facto made peace with Israel failed states influenced by Iran(Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen) and Iran itself which has been buckling under social pressures from people tired of hardliners and bankrolling the anti Israel struggle to the tune of billions of dollars while according to official stats 30% of the population is under the poverty line and leaked government polls show this:
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202402245769

The confidential study, conducted by the Ministry's Research Center for Culture, Art and Communication and leaked to foreign-based Persian media outlets, highlights that approximately 73 percent of Iranians advocate for the separation of religion from state, indicating an unprecedented demand for a secular government.

Contrary to the 22.5 percent advocating for a religious government, a sharp increase in secularism is evident, with demands for secular governance rising from less than 31 percent in 2015.

With the War in Gaza especially the future remains unknown but after reading much on it, for young people in the failed states one of the better outcomes is emigration for The Gulf their plans to become hip, modern places succeeds and the rest despair & anomie punctuated by violence attempting to beat "Modernity"/The West. Like most of the decolonized world(Why that came about and is deserves a thread in itself).

[august]

My stance on the Arab-Israeli conflict is "Whoever loses, we win."

Yes but maybe "with Jews, you win." I think it was Machiavelli who said something like: The [Gentile] cannot protect himself from traps, and the [Jew] cannot defend himself from [browns]. One must therefore be a [Jew] to recognise traps, and a [Gentile] to frighten [browns]. 

I saw this recently: Defund and deport international students to address campus antisemitism - The Jerusalem Post

How do we make college campuses sane again? Two words: Deport and defund.

[...]

Walk into any virulent collegiate mini-pogrom these days, and you’ll soon see that many of its organizers and most fervent fomenters are foreign students. International students currently make up about 15 percent of the total US student body, but the numbers are much higher in our formerly finest universities: As Tony Badran recently reported in Tablet, “a quarter of Harvard’s student body is no international. At MIT, it’s nearly a third.”

[...]

Which, hallelujah, makes things quite simple for anyone interested making our universities safe, not only for Jews but also for the free and unfettered exchange of ideas. We already have a great and sensible law on the books which says that while we welcome anyone who wishes to come here, attend university, and get an education, we do not permit people who openly support and advocate for terrorism. Wave Hamas’s green flag, call for an intifadah—or violent uprising, or chant ditties that advocate the annihilation of the world’s sole Jewish state, and you’re out of here.

That’s the “deport” part. But the “defund” part is just as important.

[...]

Herein lies the answer: Lawmakers can—and must—decree that any institution that allows foreign students to support terrorism with impunity would no longer be eligible to a single cent of taxpayer money.

Take away these deductions, grants, and benefits, and we’ll see how long the Sally Kornbluths of this world would sotto voce warn their paying customers not to be too violently anti-Semitic so as not to attract needless attention.

[MisterHerrSenor0]

We live rent free in the Arab World's head by the nature of living in a world where a century ago European empire was supreme, glorious decolonization failed to live up to its promises("How come things reverted back to monarchical or republican oriental despotism!?"), various revolutionary national movements failed to beat Israel(Or "remove Western influence") and naturally Western nations remain dominant economic and political players. This clear unfairness lead to a conclusion that radical Islamic fundamentalism would beat the White Western man among certain persons and restore things. The most famous Sunni Jihadist organization of recent years, ISIS explicitly made it clear that they saw Israel-Palestine as a distraction from the general state of Muslims being oppressed by their regimes who in turn were puppets of the crusaders(America chief among them) naturally said regimes have been at the forefront of suppressing/managing these tendencies this since the beginning to keep power.

I should probably have clarified that I wasn't saying that Israel is the only reason we have enemies in the Arab World. Obviously there would still be both Wahhabist and Marxist terrorists who hate us regardless of our stance on Israel by virtue of us being White Westerners. My point was that cutting ties with Israel would give us less (not zero, but less) enemies.

I saw this recently: Defund and deport international students to address campus antisemitism - The Jerusalem Post

That's neat and I can see what you're getting at. But don't you worry that right-wingers using the rhetoric of "fighting bigotry" to deport foreigners, might backfire in a similar way as using anti-colonial rhetoric against Israel?