Loser Sociology - Incel and Blackpill Communities (dbdr case study)

[Guest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlV8HQmE...jesIGXikKG

Things keep getting more dire and dire to this guy. Here´s a couple of conclusions i have of his profile:

If anyone is curious of his appereance, just look up in google, he is a little above average for your polface guy, not bad, not great, but his bitterness stare seals the deal at this point.
He seems to be at least somewhat of a narcisist, as her mother seems to have those traits in the way she raised him, or if he is simply exagerating, he too shows some form of narcisism by the way he treated his highschool friends and handled their friendship.
He worries too much about height, or at least is a topic that he constantly worries over or mocks in the people he meets, despite not really being a manlet (he measured multiple times and said that he was less than an inch from being 6 feet tall), but the fact that he is not 6 feet tall seemed like a catastrophic discovery.
I wouldn´t be surprised if he is a compulsive liar in the way he makes or breaks the narratives of his formative years, either that or he had a really unconnected teenage years. I´m not buying he has worked full time at the warehouse job, has been going to the gym semi regularly while attending college, meme degree and all, the schedules don´t fit.
As some people noted, his introspection prospects were a great start of his journey, but he lacks the drive to make anything with those discoveries, he seems to take pleasure in the thought that there´s nothing more he can do in his life because he just failed as a normie.


PS: Next time you wanna watch him, take a drink everytime he says "oh my god"/"brutal"/"oh fuck" or he uses his "impersonation" voice, he is your average zoomer after all.

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He worries too much about height, or at least is a topic that he constantly worries over or mocks in the people he meets, despite not really being a manlet (he measured multiple times and said that he was less than an inch from being 6 feet tall), but the fact that he is not 6 feet tall seemed like a catastrophic discovery.

The only time I've listened to him (one of the newer videos) he said something about how "6ft isn't that great, because there are many men taller than that, bragging about being 6ft is a cope".

PS: Next time you wanna watch him, take a drink everytime he says "oh my god"/"brutal"/"oh fuck" or he uses his "impersonation" voice, he is your average zoomer after all.

Add 'cope' to the set as an obvious choice.

[Svevlad]

I'll admit I don't "get them" - I am literally physiologically and psychically unable to conceive their existences. They indeed have some sort of satisfaction from being insulted and belittled, a sort of "mandatory self hatred" - in this they aren't much different from depressed teens in discord servers constantly bitching about their worthlessness. Yet they're a bit better in that they tend to answer to external sources of disdain with extreme measures, which I conceptually find extremely keyed - someone doesn't like you? Hate them utterly.

Yet, these are people who actually crave a slave driver to tear their backs off with whiplashes and make them work to near death in some desert somewhere. They demand to be tortured, subconsciously! This, is also the key to hopefully solving their predicament via neural annealing, resetting the brain that is.

Albeit the actual blackpill is that it could be a genuinely intrinsic issue that is therefore not permanently fixable, and therefore they are by correct standards disqualified from humanity.

[Guest]

Regarding @Svevlad, curiously i could feel these vibes in DBDR´s last video, he said that despite being taken advantage off in his job (works the most, gets payed the least), he doesn´t seem to actually complain of his situation (he said that "he can´t stop being productive" or "wishes he could be lazy") and doesn´t consider quiting as an option, part of him seems to enjoy to be mistreated by the world as a crutch of not making any real progress.

He also said his mother suffered the same predicament in past jobs, so yeah, they are really a case.

[Datacop]

This is a very bizarre type of man that must be historically peculiar and entirely new. He should be content to just work his grunt job and marry an ugly girl and just live out his life, hopefully being a decent person, maybe going to church. There's nothing wrong with being that type of person. I've encountered plenty of people just like him who know exactly what they are but aren't oin any way filled with angst about it. Rather they're not wont to ruminate about anything pertaining to their status and role in the world. That's what a man is supposed to be like.

I think the fact that is isn't happy with his station in life if enough to prove this thesis wrong. Society has always had midwits who were content with their midwittery, and they don't make a vlogging channel dedicated to expressing his ennui. Dbdr is clearly too introspective to enjoy a life like that, even if it would be hypothetically easy.

It's just so sad and dark, and there's nothing anyone can really do except suggest suicide

Thinking this is the solution to a smart guy being miserable at his low-IQ station in life is more telling that you don't see anything better than midwittery. Sad!

[anthony]

Things keep getting more dire and dire to this guy. Here´s a couple of conclusions i have of his profile:

If anyone is curious of his appereance, just look up in google, he is a little above average for your polface guy, not bad, not great, but his bitterness stare seals the deal at this point.
He seems to be at least somewhat of a narcisist, as her mother seems to have those traits in the way she raised him, or if he is simply exagerating, he too shows some form of narcisism by the way he treated his highschool friends and handled their friendship.

He has an extremely detached and shallow way of engaging with absolutely everything, which I see as his primary problem. I keep suggesting to him that the fact he's a Dead By Daylight guy is significant. That game is basically a slot machine. He says his old hobbies don't do it for him, but I can't believe that they ever did. His taste in games was basically just getting addicted to the western equivalents of Gacha. Of course it's not fun now, I can't believe it was ever fun.

You can call it narcissism or whatever, you're fundamentally right that the problem is in his head. There are ugly fucks with girlfriends and sex all over the place. What dooms you is having an overdeveloped sense of self consciousness. Unless you're attractive to the point people are approaching you that's a death sentence.

I wouldn´t be surprised if he is a compulsive liar in the way he makes or breaks the narratives of his formative years, either that or he had a really unconnected teenage years. I´m not buying he has worked full time at the warehouse job, has been going to the gym semi regularly while attending college, meme degree and all, the schedules don´t fit.
As some people noted, his introspection prospects were a great start of his journey, but he lacks the drive to make anything with those discoveries, he seems to take pleasure in the thought that there´s nothing more he can do in his life because he just failed as a normie.


PS: Next time you wanna watch him, take a drink everytime he says "oh my god"/"brutal"/"oh fuck" or he uses his "impersonation" voice, he is your average zoomer after all.

Minor point but he's not going to the gym. He actually made a bit of a point of that recently talking about how he has absolutely no time for it and is getting the most exercise he ever has in his life anyway. And he says he's on like two classes at a time, of the kind which are basically unfailable scams. I could still believe he lies or has a rather distorted view of reality, but the schedule I can more or less believe.

And yes he can't use the introspection productively, but I have to ask. How does one use it in his circumstances? I think the channel he runs is pretty cool even if it doesn't make money. As I keep saying I think he's more failed by society than a personal failure. He's living in a no opportunity shithole in a post-sanity society where the only work available is being exploited by foreigners as America slowly starts normalising white people working like chink slaves.

And you're right that the pleasure thing is a problem, as we've discussed here in many places. Incel or loser as an identity is a problem because all identities create loops and cycles where people first feel vindication in being recognised and then the recognised status starts informing their behaviour and self image, solidifying what was once just circumstances and/or self-image. It's bad to take pleasure here, but have to ask, what else has he got? It's probably this or alcoholism. At least this gets him talking, which potentially gets him thinking.

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This is a very bizarre type of man that must be historically peculiar and entirely new. He should be content to just work his grunt job and marry an ugly girl and just live out his life, hopefully being a decent person, maybe going to church. There's nothing wrong with being that type of person. I've encountered plenty of people just like him who know exactly what they are but aren't oin any way filled with angst about it. Rather they're not wont to ruminate about anything pertaining to their status and role in the world. That's what a man is supposed to be like.

I think the fact that is isn't happy with his station in life if enough to prove this thesis wrong. Society has always had midwits who were content with their midwittery, and they don't make a vlogging channel dedicated to expressing his ennui. Dbdr is clearly too introspective to enjoy a life like that, even if it would be hypothetically easy.

It's just so sad and dark, and there's nothing anyone can really do except suggest suicide

Thinking this is the solution to a smart guy being miserable at his low-IQ station in life is more telling that you don't see anything better than midwittery. Sad!

Is there a solution? I've been thinking recently about how dbdr gets out and it seems like the only options are political crisis massively shaking up the lives of young men, or he becomes a criminal. For the sake of simplicity lets roll ponzis, crypto, and other such zero sum tricksiness into 'crime'.

[Datacop]

Is there a solution? I've been thinking recently about how dbdr gets out and it seems like the only options are political crisis massively shaking up the lives of young men, or he becomes a criminal. For the sake of simplicity lets roll ponzis, crypto, and other such zero sum tricksiness into 'crime'.

Honestly, you said it, "crime" is the only solution. We live in gayworld and there's really no straight-laced way to make it anymore. Boomers could just fall into a lifetime career, whatever, they lived in the most economically prosperous time in human history, of course they had it easier than us. Just because it's hard doesn't mean there's no solution but suicide, and I think suggesting suicide as a solution like Bauer wrote is actively damaging.

[anthony]

Honestly, you said it, "crime" is the only solution. We live in gayworld and there's really no straight-laced way to make it anymore. Boomers could just fall into a lifetime career, whatever, they lived in the most economically prosperous time in human history, of course they had it easier than us. Just because it's hard doesn't mean there's no solution but suicide, and I think suggesting suicide as a solution like Bauer wrote is actively damaging.

While suggesting crime I think would be damaging in a good way. I believe that a critical mass of young men violently giving up on the social order will bring about pressure and change a hell of a lot quicker than a critical mass of young men deciding to vote for ron de santis or based mister kardashian or whatever else we supposedly have going on to express discontent and seek an out.

[Datacop]

While suggesting crime I think would be damaging in a good way. I believe that a critical mass of young men violently giving up on the social order will bring about pressure and change a hell of a lot quicker than a critical mass of young men deciding to vote for ron de santis or based mister kardashian or whatever else we supposedly have going on to express discontent and seek an out.

I think of this as a bit of a silver lining, but I'm still hesitant to embrace this accelerationist argument. Does dbdr seem like the kind of guy who would get so desperate that he'd enact basedworld irl? I'm not fully convinced.

[anthony]

I think of this as a bit of a silver lining, but I'm still hesitant to embrace this accelerationist argument. Does dbdr seem like the kind of guy who would get so desperate that he'd enact basedworld irl? I'm not fully convinced.

If there's one point I want to make about dbdr and his type in this thread it's that they aren't the type and that that's very sad and bad for the world. He does not get desperate. He has an extraordinary capacity to bear pain and burdens and instinctively gravitates towards peace and maintenance of existing order, even at the expense of himself. Such people are great assets in good times, and helpless schmoos in bad times. I don't really believe that this makes him a good person, but he's at least not essentially a problem. We could argue that by not being sufficiently mad and continuing to work he is consenting to an impure age. You may or may not find that judgment fair.

[Datacop]

He has an extraordinary capacity to bear pain and burdens and instinctively gravitates towards peace and maintenance of existing order, even at the expense of himself. Such people are great assets in good times, and helpless schmoos in bad times. I don't really believe that this makes him a good person, but he's at least not essentially a problem. We could argue that by not being sufficiently mad and continuing to work he is consenting to an impure age. You may or may not find that judgment fair.

Quintessential worker drone. Kind of ironic that this sort of guy is the first one to react to how shit modern university is since in a previous era he would be the perfect candidate for keeping his head down and getting some sort of technical job.

Honestly wish I could say more about him or help at all, but that's kind of the point of blackpillers, isn't it? There's really not much to do about it except talk about it.

[anthony]

Quintessential worker drone. Kind of ironic that this sort of guy is the first one to react to how shit modern university is since in a previous era he would be the perfect candidate for keeping his head down and getting some sort of technical job.

Honestly wish I could say more about him or help at all, but that's kind of the point of blackpillers, isn't it? There's really not much to do about it except talk about it.

I think it's important to talk about his circumstances because he really is at the mercy of them. And really most people should be. Can't expect every warehouse-slave to start a revolution the moment their lot becomes cruel and unfair. I don't see him really as a failure or someone lapsing on a moral duty. He's more like a weathervane. We can read the world through his perspective and gain more insight. Anybody who actually cares about social decay, economic injustice and human exploitation in the first world should be very interested in this. As I've said before, I see him as a kind of on the ground personal experience Upton Sinclair, even if that's not his intention.

[Moyai]

Is there a solution? I've been thinking recently about how dbdr gets out and it seems like the only options are political crisis massively shaking up the lives of young men, or he becomes a criminal. For the sake of simplicity lets roll ponzis, crypto, and other such zero sum tricksiness into 'crime'.

You should try convincing dbdr to read BAM

[anthony]

Is there a solution? I've been thinking recently about how dbdr gets out and it seems like the only options are political crisis massively shaking up the lives of young men, or he becomes a criminal. For the sake of simplicity lets roll ponzis, crypto, and other such zero sum tricksiness into 'crime'.

You should try convincing dbdr to read BAM

I'm pretty much poking at those ideas. I've never been sold on the idea that the book is actually a good way to get at them.

[BillyONare]

He should get one of those oil field jobs that pay "muh 200k/year starting". Ok they are more like 100k but if his life is already hell then there is no downside. Can work in North Dakota one year then be a ski bum the next year, buy a decent car and whatever material things he enjoys, repeat.

[BillyONare]

He would be a welder's assistant, truck driver, laborer, or something like that. Or a roughneck, but that seems dangerous for a frail cosmopolitan guy.

[anthony]

For your consideration. He's apparently taken to drinking quite seriously and now wants to truck-cope.

[BillyONare]

Please tell me you see how deranged he is. Trying to drink himself to death and complaining to family and normies about how he can't breed. And when they do their best to make him feel better they are "gaslighting" him. This is not a good strategy to breed or to be less lonely. The only defense of his behavior is that he is in so much pain about not being able to get pussy or make friends that he cannot think rationally enough to pursue a reasonable strategy to get these things. But if you tried to explain that to him or help him out he would probably say you are gaslighting or providing "a cope that runs out in milliseconds".

[anthony]

Please tell me you see how deranged he is. Trying to drink himself to death and complaining to family and normies about how he can't breed. And when they do their best to make him feel better they are "gaslighting" him. This is not a good strategy to breed or to be less lonely. The only defense of his behavior is that he is in so much pain about not being able to get pussy or make friends that he cannot think rationally enough to pursue a reasonable strategy to get these things. But if you tried to explain that to him or help him out he would probably say you are gaslighting or providing "a cope that runs out in milliseconds".

The point of this thread has never been that he is a perfect rational actor.

[Guest]

How is dbdr´s last update deranged in any way? His tautology seems strong enough

[anthony]

dbdr still not having a great time. He just sounds completely unintegrated into all social life around himself at all times. I can sympathise strongly. His anecdotes about small innocuous events leading to hostile confrontations with people are relatable. That's me at various points. I think he needs to disengage from everything that he really hates and gets nothing from (primarily his relationship with his mother), and then he can at least work and sleep without so much chronic stress and emotional strain. Then if he gets a better job where he's not treated like a Chinese peasant he'll actually have some breathing room in life. That's really the impression I get from this video, that he's overwhelmed. I do believe we get overwhelmed even if we aren't living conventional lives of hell.

Also I suspect he may have been talking about my comments at one point in this video, he talks about nurture briefly and dismisses it as mattering. He really believes he is just fucked up at baseline. Of course some people can do better than others in the face of certain kinds of adversity, but that doesn't make their existence more justified or superior to your own.

What do you say to a guy in this situation? I ask you all again to contemplate the life of the 21st century loser.