Oriental Occidentalism
#1
It's no secret the East loves the West. Chinese parents force their children to learn to play the piano not the guzheng. 

Chinese international students have told me if I go to China I will get pussy over 9000 times and people will want pictures with me because I'm white. 


(Jumpscare warning!!!)

This is what Shanghaiers think. But who cares about China? What do the Japanese think?



They like white men, not surprising. Let's get to the interesting stuff. 

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America has had a huge influence on Japan since 1945. This is pretty common knowledge. 

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(Japanese Rockabillies. Far cooler than the contemporary American ones (Latina dykes))

America wasn't Japan's first western fascination though. Since the Meiji Restoration Japan has been interested in the west (you could argue earlier with the Dutch and Portuguese traders). France and Germany are two countries Japan especially likes. 

The Japanese tend to prefer feminine French things like dainty pastries, Haute Couture, etc.

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The German influence is more apparent with it being a popular setting in Anime, Manga and Vidya. 

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(wood, cobblestone and clocks)

When the Japanese make European inspired media it tends to be a mix of Baroque and Gothic styles. This is apparent with Vkei and some Shojo Manga. 




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The love of Europe in Asia, specifically in Japan, is a love of fine things and luxury. Beautiful, finely crafted objects. Clocks, porcelain dolls, etc. 

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(Honestly, how could I forget?)

To Asians, Europe is the definition of sophistication. European art, craft, literature, music, architecture, fashion, philosophy is all the highest quality. This is why the Japanese like it and the Chinese try to cargo-cult it. These places believe in white supremacy. But when they see Europe now... 

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Another interesting element of this is Westerners who like Eastern depictions of the West. This is seen most clearly with all the white girls who move to Japan to be a part of Lolita fashion. 

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If you stalk this girl it becomes apparent that she actually likes French stuff but France is the way that it is so she settled on Japan. These girls like Japan because it is one of the only pro-white countries on Earth. These girls like white stuff and Japan happens to be the only place where white stuff is treated with respect so they move there and pretend it's Europe. It's not a bad thing but they would never admit its the case.

PIGSAW Wrote:As a child, my only ability to interact with "white culture" was through buying it as an exotic export from Japan.

This is why we must protect Japan.

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I simply follow my own feelings.
#2
A thought that keeps occurring to me is that already to some extent the Japanese are serving the vital role of keeping a memory and tradition of who we are alive for us during dark times. They're like the Irish monks holding onto literacy while civilisation collapses. Of course we aren't collapsing like Rome, but we have fallen apart on several key fronts. Culturally especially. All of the greatest pop-cultural depictions of our own past are Japanese. The only people making pop-art that speaks to the young white soul are Japanese. If we want white popular literature again in the future we'll probably be taking more from Ryukishi07 than... Houellebecq?

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["hello I am a sign of cultural vitality. The kids love me... They mentioned my book on Red Scare..."]

Friend of the forum Consul (among other names) on twitter put it to me that the history of the Japanese is a history of looking up to and then being disappointed by what were superior foreign cultures. The Koreans, then the Chinese, then the English/Europeans, and now America. Of course, they've reached the peak of the inspiration-chain now. They're the world cultural superpower, they're in far better economic and industrial and demographic health than the rest of us, where do they go from here?

We could talk a lot about particulars of Occidentalism in Japanese taste and art. And I might do that in future posts. For here I'll just leave with the Italian connection. So much anime music sounds like Italian genre soundtracks.



Gunslinger Girl is probably the only time I'll see Calabria mentioned in world famous successful pop culture.

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The girls and their guns are also very European of course. Also their clothes. They're like dolls, and guns are another accessory. I love the Japanese.

Also you probably know about the Bjorn Andresen thing. The Japanese fell in love with him. But that's not the only Italian movie they saw, or time they imported a specimen for close study. If you look into this you'll actually find that by googling an Italian pop figure's name and "japan" you'll often get results like this.

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Italian genre movies are a pretty essential element for understanding European pop-influence in Japan. Maybe Gunslinger Girl wouldn't exist if it weren't for the successful export of movies with titles like 'My Beretta is My Conscience' starring guys like Ray Lovelock. Look at how he's dressed here. The impression of the image. They look at Europe and see this. Elegant-cool. You look at this. Apply Japan-vision. Then we get JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 2.

Sorry I may have been going somewhere greater with this post but I got distracted. Great subject. I intend to post more.
#3
"GEEENNNNJIIII I need my Beef Wellington NOW or I won't be able to focus on finalizing this Mcdonalds Japan deal! Without beef and potatoes we Japanese will remain sickly yellow little things until the Sun stops spinning around the Earth! Is that what you want?!?!?!"

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#4
Speaking of Umineko, Japanese fascination with Western occultism (magic, witchcraft, alchemy etc.) is something that I've been wanting to think more seriously about. I don't necessarily notice a strong preference for a specific tradition or time period either, between antiquity and more modern figures like Lovecraft or Jung. This is very widespread in e.g. the magical girl genre, so it may be more useful to restrict analysis to clear and specific examples like Urobuchi or the SMT/Persona games. 

You could view this as being included within a more general appreciation for traditional Western aesthetics (White people doing cool and interesting things), but I do wonder whether there's more going on. Perhaps it is also a more spiritually natural area for the Japanese to engage with the West, where the Japanese mind is non-dualistic, and these esoteric practices are often trying to synthesize opposites, or were at least working within the interstices between sectarian institutions with more clear theological doctrines. I intend to look further into this, but I'm just leaving this here now in case anyone has more developed thoughts to add.
#5
Finnegan's Wake sells very well in China, a fact I find quite amusing. It lays bare the sort of tasteless love of Western culture (I think Joyce is a fine writer, but no Chinese speaker could ever understand F.W., no matter how well read he is).
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(03-28-2024, 01:00 PM)turnip Wrote: Speaking of Umineko, Japanese fascination with Western occultism (magic, witchcraft, alchemy etc.) is something that I've been wanting to think more seriously about. I don't necessarily notice a strong preference for a specific tradition or time period either, between antiquity and more modern figures like Lovecraft or Jung. This is very widespread in e.g. the magical girl genre, so it may be more useful to restrict analysis to clear and specific examples like Urobuchi or the SMT/Persona games. 

You could view this as being included within a more general appreciation for traditional Western aesthetics (White people doing cool and interesting things), but I do wonder whether there's more going on. Perhaps it is also a more spiritually natural area for the Japanese to engage with the West, where the Japanese mind is non-dualistic, and these esoteric practices are often trying to synthesize opposites, or were at least working within the interstices between sectarian institutions with more clear theological doctrines. I intend to look further into this, but I'm just leaving this here now in case anyone has more developed thoughts to add.
#7
Women are probably a major element in keeping this alive. The connection to girl stuff like Utena would be explained there. It's a natural interest for women. Only western women are all wasting their time on ugly plastic garbage recent sideshows. Astrology blog faggotry. If they were all learning latin and hebrew and building Maria Ushiromiya diaries full of magic their retarded interests in the supernatural would be perfectly tolerable.

[This is the response to the above quoted text. I don't know why, but attempted to reply to another post that's being quoted is currently deleting the new original text underneath. Will figure this out soon hopefully.]



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