Origin of ZOG - What the Hell is Going On?
#1
(03-20-2023, 02:40 AM)Guest Wrote: Assuming Spengler is right about everything (I don't think he was), does Zog represent an aberration in his scheme? Afaik he never discussed possibility of Weltgeist being hijacked, and whether this is simply turbo-decline or an opportunity for regeneration.

I think that our current state of affairs fits his description of Early Civilization (the Rule of Mind and Money, analogous to Classical Hellenism and the Late Roman Republic) pretty well. I think that there are two reasons why our manifestation of this period is so wild and crazy:
  1. The peculiar nature of Western Civilization itself. While each civilization in the Spenglerian scheme goes through analogous phases, what each phase looks like differs from civilization to civilization depending on the differences in their prime symbols. The West, with its fascination with expanding into infinite space and exploring infinite possibilities, has manifested late civilizational decadence and rationalistic ideology in the form of globalism, the liberation of man from all bonds of society and tradition, and maximum inclusion of all outsiders and marginal groups. There has always been a strangely Luciferian subtext in Western civilization - it is indeed Faustian, with even early pre-Christian Proto-Western myths showing this theme, like in Odin stabbing out his own eye to drink from the well of Mimir and see his inevitable doom in Ragnarok. The Tower of Babel, Lucifer, Prometheus, Icarus, 666 - at its most extreme and uncontrolled, the West mirrors these myths.
  2. America being the dominant power in the West. Spengler originally (i.e. pre-Great War) foresaw Germany taking up the mantle of becoming the Roman Empire of Western civilization and forging a civilization-wide empire following a great war. While the nature of human biology and spirituality necessitate certain broad trends, in this case the rise of a cynical and authoritarian empire out of an age of decadent commercialism, the specifics of how these trends manifest are up to the individual acts of men and accidents of history to decide. Owing to the specific decisions of various men and the outcomes of several battles, America won over Germany and now seems to have taken up the latter's mantle of Western Imperium, the latter having jumped to Caesarism and Imperium a bit too early in the form of Hitler. Much like with Athens vs Sparta, Greece vs Rome, or Octavian vs Mark Antony, there are many differing paths a civilization can take, even if the broad strokes of its development tend to fit a consistent pattern. As such, America has become the undisputed master of Western civilization, and is currently working on crushing the last bit of European resistance by starving the EU of energy. Had Germany won WW1, or had Britain not been destroyed in WW2 and retained global dominance, our current age of decadence would likely more strongly resemble that of the nineteenth century, being far more plainly commercialistic and utopian in a universal sense rather than having the current weird parochial/racial/ethno-narcissist flavor it currently has.
    I believe that the peculiarities of modern liberalism ("wokeness" or "poz") in contrast to the liberalism of the 19th and early 20th centuries can be mostly attributed to the peculiarities of America: a deracinated, open land of opportunity, defined in large part by radical, revolutionary, egalitarian, moralizing, and mercantile New England Puritans; tolerant, pluralistic, hard-working, and passive Midland Quakers and Germans; and to a much lesser degree by the Scots-Irish and plantation elites of the Upland and Lowland South, whose influence was mostly crushed in the War of Secession, Reconstruction, desegregation, and the Civil Rights Act. Negroes also play a large role in America's peculiar culture, as has been oft-commented upon by various writers (from Jung to Evola), and more so than just their direct but mild influence on Southern culture they have been adopted as the favored pets of urban New England types, into whose moral and maternalistic sensibilities the American Negro has always played - Harriet Beecher Stowe as the proto-AWFL.I would also like to add that I think that the reaction to Hitler's Germany and the effects of the Nuremberg Trials also strongly affected to nature of the current pozzed Western Regime in Washington. WW2 was the story of how Britain and America, the masters of the age of commercialistic and rationalistic Western Hellenism and the lords of Mind and Money, crushed an insurgent and premature emergence of Proto-Caesarism and Force-Politics on the European Continent in the form of Fascism.
As such, we can say in conclusion that the recipe for modern Western poz is that of: "The Western fascination with infinite space, infinite possibilities, and revolutionary, universalist, utopian ideologies (what Spengler calls broadly "Socialism") + an age of decadence, commercialism, globalization, and ideology + The Anglo-American strain of Western culture defeating the German-Continental strain + the peculiarities of American society, namely the New England Puritan mythologization of the Enslaved Negro as a Christlike figure (a synthesis of nominally Christian themes with the Western obsession with tragic and suffering figures, revolutionary world-reforming Socialist ideologies, and bizarre and marginal things), which can be seen permeating all of modern "woke" liberalism which consistently uses rhetoric and tactics first tested with Negroes for various other would-be "oppressed" groups (women, sodomites, etc.)."

This may end up playing in our favor in the mid- to long-term, thoughever, as the coming phase of authoritarian Caesarism (foreshadowed by Hitler and more directly creeping into society and politics in the form of Trump) is a reaction against and in many ways a rejection of the values of the previous Age of Affluent Late Republican Decadence. The Politics of Blood and Force overpower and usurp the Politics of Mind and Money. In a strange way, the reaction against Hitlerism by the Powers of the Age of Money may have ensured his ultimate victory in a bizarre self-fulfilling prophecy. By reshaping itself in reaction against a premature Proto-Caesarist movement, the Age of Decadence then ensures the ultimate victory of said movement's ideals by making it so that the ultimately victorious Caesarist movement will react against its own reaction and thus end up resembling the earlier proto-movement. I certainly think that our current Age's obnoxious obsession with racial egalitarianism and ugly inclusivity will make the coming Caesarist Age much more eugenicist, inegalitarian, and racially conscious than it would have been otherwise.

Discuss.
#2
Totally agree.

Modern progressivism has inspiration from liberalism and judeo-christianity,and since U.S.A is the most liberal country in the world and puritanism is the most judaized branch of christianity which is a return to its jewish/slave morality roots,America had proto woke/leftist tendencies from the puritans and the quakers who were a bunch of petty moralizers,egalitarians n**er lovers and the abolitionist movement and also america is were the first wave feminism was born.Also your definition of liberalism is spot on when you analyze the transgender ideology which claim that everyone should choose their own gender which demostrate that liberalism is the ideology that inspire transgenderism rather than marxism

The fact that in america the term liberal means anti white leftist should be a good argument against liberalism,liberalism was only keyed when it mixed with conservative and nationalist element.
All America's actions since 1861 to today had as a consequence the destruction of the White Race and the loss of its hegemony and the spread of communism world wide.

That's why i disagree with the idea that it's just the communist and the jews the root of all america/western's problem.Communism only became a widespread idelogy in the late XIX century with the arrival of eastern and southern euro inmigrants,and those leftist ideas exist since colonial times,therefore the most plausible explanation is that there were an important percentage of the British and american elites who agree with those ideas and which the outset of the WW1 was the main catalyst to implement it all over the world.
#3
WAGMI.
This just proves the South's elite were the only ones keeping America alive. Their destruction ensured the eventual destruction of any worthwhile America.
#4
(03-20-2023, 04:20 PM)Guest Wrote: Totally agree.

Modern progressivism has inspiration from liberalism and judeo-christianity,and since U.S.A is the most liberal country in the world and puritanism is the most judaized branch of christianity which is a return to its jewish/slave morality roots,America had proto woke/leftist tendencies from the puritans and the quakers who were a bunch of petty moralizers,egalitarians n**er lovers and the abolitionist movement and also america is were the first wave feminism was born.Also your definition of liberalism is spot on when you analyze the transgender ideology which claim that everyone should choose their own gender which demostrate that liberalism is the ideology that inspire transgenderism rather than marxism

The fact that in america the term liberal means anti white leftist should be a good argument against liberalism,liberalism was only keyed when it mixed with conservative and nationalist element.
All America's actions since 1861 to today had as a consequence the destruction of the White Race and the loss of its hegemony and the spread of communism world wide.

That's why i disagree with the idea that it's just the communist and the jews the root of all america/western's problem.Communism only became a widespread idelogy in the late XIX century with the arrival of eastern and southern euro inmigrants,and those leftist ideas exist since  colonial times,therefore the most plausible explanation is that there were an important percentage of the British and american elites who agree with those ideas and which the outset of the WW1 was the main catalyst to implement it all over the world.

Puritanism claimed to be a return to Christianity's Jewish roots, but I doubt the truth of this. I more strongly agree with Spengler's analysis of Puritanism as an even more purely Western form of Christianity, an English Islam which seeks to wipe out supposedly wretched and corrupt elements from its faith. For Magian Arabian man, this consisted of purging the Middle East of Classical remnants (images in worship, veneration of saints, etc.) and creating what is imagined to be the "pure, original faith" in the form of a Mohammedanism which C.S. Lewis called "religion without doctrine," pure submission and loyalty to God without any classical-style philosophizing (Islamic thinkers would soon return to philosopher for a time, but with al-Ghazali would eventually finalize their rejection of it). For Faustian Western man, this consisted of embracing a universal mission of reform, mass literacy and education, and throwing away any and all social structures which could potentially restrain and hold back the individual, who in his struggles and tragic shortcomings is seen as divine (cf. the Quaker conception of the "Inner Light" of God within all humans). This last point, the elevation of the individual, is distinctly un-Jewish, which like all Magian faiths is distinctly communitarian and consensus-based.

However, I do think that conscious Puritan philosemitism (especially in America) did lead them to take certain attitudes towards Jews and what they perceived to be "Jewish" which have indeed affected our current situation.

And on the topic of the distinction between (Continental) Marxism and (Anglo-American) left-liberalism, from Thomas777:
Quote:Honecker met with Angela Davis and made a big deal about American racial apartheid for the same reason(s) the KGB and Stasi manufactured reports to be distributed to world news agencies claiming that GRIDS/AIDS was an American bioweapon that had been unleashed to murder racial minorities - they waged their own propaganda war for the "hearts and minds" of the Third World so that Stalinism might triumph.

In reality, the military and political elite of East Bloc states acted like Prussian overlords in the colored dominions. Stasi generals cracking the whip (figuratively and literally) on their charges in South Yemen and the like was emblematic of this.

Intellectually lazy, stupid, elderly professors at Berkeley who are keen to the fashionable nonsense of identity-politics victimology citing Das Kapital doesn’t really tell us anything.

Marxist-Leninism, as it actually existed, was masculine, authoritarian, implicitly violent, autocratic, militaristic, and overwhelmingly white. They considered people who act like American liberals to be mentally ill or criminals.

"Culturally", Marxism looks like the culture of East Berlin did - it doesn’t look like NYC.
Quote:The American ideological creed, IMO, can best be understood as a perverse (almost Hegelian)
amalgamation of Whiggish historicist tendencies and authoritarian liberalism (i.e. Hobbes) that has
been eschewed of overt and implicit Protestant theological trappings in favor of atheist
humantarian ethics that have their roots in dialectical materialism and attendent notions of
"dignity".

What I am saying is that Marxism is quite obviously still with us, in the form of a bastardized strain
that has been assimilated into the prevailing zeitgeist.
#5
Moldbug wrote a series of posts about this exact sort of ideological genealogy, which I'm sure some here will have already read.
https://www.unqualified-reservations.org...ed-part-1/

Quote:A community of Puritans fled to America and founded the theocratic colonies of New England. After its military victories in the American Rebellion and the War of Secession, American Puritanism was well on the way to world domination. Its victories in World War I, World War II, and the Cold War confirmed its global hegemony. All legitimate mainstream thought on Earth today is descended from the American Puritans, and through them the English Dissenters.

Of course, the tradition evolved over time. Its theology took significant steps toward modern secularism in the form of Unitarianism, which deleted the Trinity and other points of Calvinist doctrine, and especially under Transcendentalism, which elided the nasty idea of hell and declared that God loves everyone. Many of Professor Dawkins’ reveries about Einsteinian pantheistic natural grandeur are reminiscent of Emerson, who was trained as a Unitarian minister. During and after the War of Secession, New England Christianity established a cozy relationship with the Federal government, which it has continued to the present day, under labels such as liberalism and progressivism.

Interestingly, he refers to another post of his (which isn't very good) where he discusses the sort of Anglosphere Anti-Americanism that has been discussed in a couple threads on here lately.

Quote:It’s worth noting that before 1945, anti-Americanism in Europe was essentially a right-wing tradition, primarily opposed to Yankee millennialist democratism. As I have written, postwar anti-Americanism is an entirely different animal, which might be more accurately described as “ultra-Americanism.” It is a consequence of the projection of American power, specifically of the New Deal, which represented the culminating triumph of the American progressive tradition, into a conquered Europe. These days, Europe has almost the same relationship to the US as the US, in the days when it was the refuge of Dissenter mania, bore to the UK.



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