Post Victory Thread: Drug Users

[Guest]

Not sure. That part is fairly hazy to me. I know I was lying very often, and stuck in a standard "drug room" type place. Ate once a day usually, or less. No physical activity really. Dosages were such that I couldn't do much so I doubt I consumed much media or anything else. Probably just music and looking at the wall. (Did not use the computer much at this time, too distracting.)

Were you placed in some kind of program?

No. I saw a psychologist afterward but they agreed nothing was wrong with me.

Sounds like you dealt with this pretty handily then.

Yes, but it is more like there was nothing else to do. The feeling was too terrible to consider. Or I guess that hell overpowered heaven in this case...Still the heaven itself was small and not worth much. I think many of the "drugged" are similar to me except they never face the direct nature of death like I did. They don't want to die, but they believe they do. Or at least, the exceptional among the drugged. The true zombies are harder to understand.

[anthony]

Yes, but it is more like there was nothing else to do. The feeling was too terrible to consider. Or I guess that hell overpowered heaven in this case...Still the heaven itself was small and not worth much. I think many of the "drugged" are similar to me except they never face the direct nature of death like I did. They don't want to die, but they believe they do. Or at least, the exceptional among the drugged. The true zombies are harder to understand.

This framing brings to mind something I had been thinking, that what's needed to deal with this is probably a "sifting" process by which we identify the ones we can pull out, and the ones who have probably permanently compromised their humanity. An extreme, taliban-like response I believe is necessary in each case, but then the particulars of treatment I think should obviously vary. I believe that with something to aspire upwardly towards on one end, and a threat of legitimised force and control on the other, decent results could be achieved.

[Guest]

Yes, but it is more like there was nothing else to do. The feeling was too terrible to consider. Or I guess that hell overpowered heaven in this case...Still the heaven itself was small and not worth much. I think many of the "drugged" are similar to me except they never face the direct nature of death like I did. They don't want to die, but they believe they do. Or at least, the exceptional among the drugged. The true zombies are harder to understand.

This framing brings to mind something I had been thinking, that what's needed to deal with this is probably a "sifting" process by which we identify the ones we can pull out, and the ones who have probably permanently compromised their humanity. An extreme, taliban-like response I believe is necessary in each case, but then the particulars of treatment I think should obviously vary. I believe that with something to aspire upwardly towards on one end, and a threat of legitimised force and control on the other, decent results could be achieved.

Yes, this makes sense. We can "sort of" see something like this with how women can sometimes cause a man to change behavior in order to take care of them and children etc. But a better goal and a more direct, defined punishment would have better results.

A physical component would help. While "changing" the gym was very helpful for me, it aided in a new type of selfishness being developed.

[:)a]

This framing brings to mind something I had been thinking, that what's needed to deal with this is probably a "sifting" process by which we identify the ones we can pull out, and the ones who have probably permanently compromised their humanity. An extreme, taliban-like response I believe is necessary in each case, but then the particulars of treatment I think should obviously vary. I believe that with something to aspire upwardly towards on one end, and a threat of legitimised force and control on the other, decent results could be achieved.

On the “sifting” process 
I think this can be done with iq tests. I’m not sure if all drugs lower iq but I remember reading in this Manson book about how a lot of his followers dropped two standard deviation in iq from all the acid. So it depends on how compromised the persons body is by drugs. I don’t think personality will have that big role in the “sifting” process. 

Any permanent compromises with humanity would be any permanent compromises with health.

[anthony]

This framing brings to mind something I had been thinking, that what's needed to deal with this is probably a "sifting" process by which we identify the ones we can pull out, and the ones who have probably permanently compromised their humanity. An extreme, taliban-like response I believe is necessary in each case, but then the particulars of treatment I think should obviously vary. I believe that with something to aspire upwardly towards on one end, and a threat of legitimised force and control on the other, decent results could be achieved.

On the “sifting” process 
I think this can be done with iq tests. I’m not sure if all drugs lower iq but I remember reading in this Manson book about how a lot of his followers dropped two standard deviation in iq from all the acid. So it depends on how compromised the persons body is by drugs. I don’t think personality will have that big role in the “sifting” process. 

Any permanent compromises with humanity would be any permanent compromises with health.

I think this is the right track of thinking, but if we're more brutally honest and more willing to trust in our own hypothetical people, I really think all matters of intelligence can be read interpersonally. You can tell if someone is mentally fried. The kind of person who can't just see that kind of thing is the same kind who will lie, manipulate, and spin impersonal approaches to get the same kind of wrong result they want anyway. Same way I feel about schooling processes. Formal processes don't save us from bad judgment, they give bad judgment places to hide.

[Toledo_Keyed]

Skorr made a good piece on his Substack that tackles the subject well, read it Billy, he does it from an Individual perspective rather than a Statist one, it's pretty short and a 3 minute read,

https://exlacrima.substack.com/p/opinion...-a-capital