Post Victory Thread: Drug Users
#21
In his defense I have been in certain university social circles where it was common to smoke weed. In America regular weed use is very common, though not ubiquitous, and definitely not good for the individual or society.I don’t agree that a Chinese style “purifying tyranny” or countersignaling the ‘bergs is a good solution for reasons I can elucidate on more.
#22
(02-21-2023, 02:53 PM)JohnnyRomero Wrote:
(02-21-2023, 10:17 AM)Carbide Wrote: I have a long time friend who was addicted to opioids for years. My half-brother is addicted to meth. And everyone I know under 40 is addicted to weed.

Authoritarianism and control is good, natural, and healthy for biological and spiritual serfs & peasants who cannot control themselves, as much as complete liberty and lassitude is perfectly befitting and healthy for the aristocrats of the soul. 

Although I still favor libertarian/neocameralist models due to the difficulty of discerning second/third-order effects ---  this is an actual traditional solution. The conception of infamia served Rome quite well. Too many ends here are based around large scale murder and incarceration, without appreciating how simple status incentives can reshape society quickly and dramatically, yet preserving enough room for genuine idiosyncratic subcultures on the outside to permit the movement of free spirits. Rampant mass executions/imprisonment are brutal and unimaginative solutions, and they take their own toll on the spirit of a society: mourning for lost friends and family, casual paranoia, false accusations, corruption - honeytraps against professional/corporate opponents.
#23
The only solution to such rampant decay is shredding society apart and reducing it to ashes. We have degenerated from a people focused on necessity and survival to a people focused on excess and luxury. Drugs, promiscuous sex, other depraved and degenerate acts are all merely luxuries for a culture that has forgotten to fear death. So the solution is simple. Blood on the streets, terror and panic and mayhem. Do not stop until the beast is dead, and buzzards have picked its bones clean. Then you will be free.
#24
(02-21-2023, 07:02 PM)Zed Wrote:
(02-21-2023, 02:53 PM)JohnnyRomero Wrote:
(02-21-2023, 10:17 AM)Carbide Wrote: I have a long time friend who was addicted to opioids for years. My half-brother is addicted to meth. And everyone I know under 40 is addicted to weed.

Authoritarianism and control is good, natural, and healthy for biological and spiritual serfs & peasants who cannot control themselves, as much as complete liberty and lassitude is perfectly befitting and healthy for the aristocrats of the soul. 

Although I still favor libertarian/neocameralist models due to the difficulty of discerning second/third-order effects ---  this is an actual traditional solution. The conception of infamia served Rome quite well. Too many ends here are based around large scale murder and incarceration, without appreciating how simple status incentives can reshape society quickly and dramatically, yet preserving enough room for genuine idiosyncratic subcultures on the outside to permit the movement of free spirits. Rampant mass executions/imprisonment are brutal and unimaginative solutions, and they take their own toll on the spirit of a society: mourning for lost friends and family, casual paranoia, false accusations, corruption - honeytraps against professional/corporate opponents.

Yes, I agree, this is all true. The soft power solution is the smartest one, as reckless executions and persecutions often waste perfectly good human capital (as Rome learned the hard way through her many proscriptions, which ruined the quality of the Roman elite). It saddens me, althoughever, in spite of my better nature but in accordance with my deeper and truer self... my body and soul yearn for bloodshed, as they have for as long as I can remember. The thrill of stalking and predation, the subtle sweetness of the panic of a victim of a surprise house raid by the Inquisition, the joy of wreaking terror and madness, the tasteful artistry of the well-run dungeon (of which the death camp is a degeneration - see the setting of Shadow of the Torturer or the Bastille or Tower of London of old for good counter-examples) - there is something so beautiful and tempting in all these things, and to the hard reset as well, to ending it here for all time. I reluctantly accept your argument as True, and so align myself to it - but in my heart of hearts, I will never cease praying to Yellowstone. When I read the words "large scale murder and incarceration" in your post, I immediately and intuitively felt the same feeling I would get when seeing an enchantingly and celestially beautiful girl whom I know I can never and should never had, yet... I keep looking, and wishing, in spite of my better nature.

(02-21-2023, 09:32 PM)Guest Wrote: The only solution to such rampant decay is shredding society apart and reducing it to ashes. We have degenerated from a people focused on necessity and survival to a people focused on excess and luxury. Drugs, promiscuous sex, other depraved and degenerate acts are all merely luxuries for a culture that has forgotten to fear death. So the solution is simple. Blood on the streets, terror and panic and mayhem. Do not stop until the beast is dead, and buzzards have picked its bones clean. Then you will be free.

Case in point: posts such as this are pure Romance to me. I almost tear up when seeing such terrible and cruel beauty, so pure and undefiled in its uncompromising demand for Judgement. Harsh and extreme exterminationist exhortations of this sort are the object of my greatest sentimental weakness.
#25
Drug use has gotten out of control because now, more than ever, the innate condition of man in the twenty-first century is one of lacking belonging and utter meaninglessness. Drugs are a means through which an individual can repress the feelings of inadequacy one gets when they contemplate their existence within the framework of our current zeitgeist.

Drugs certainly have destructive power, but most of you have missed the mark in suggesting that it is the drugs themselves that put their users into a vicious use cycle. Consider for a moment that the users you think about, or see on the streets, have a reason for engaging in their own self-destruction.

The implied notion ITT seems to be that a #SensitiveYoungMan would have his entire future squandered because he took a hit off of the communal joint: cannabis is not what you think it is, if so. Most who use it use it only a few times, some determine they don't like it... heavy-use cases, where the drug can become destructive, are individuals who have underlying issues that they are too weak to address.
#26
A total ban on drugs, properly integrated into a public spirituality, is the only way forward. How many arabs die of liver cirrhosis? How many mormons die from lung cancer? What do with those already addicted you say? Help those that can help themselves, give the weak a tolerance moratorium of 20 years, together with heavy taxation and scare propaganda, and heavily penalize those that cannot escape it afterwards. But ultimately, everyone needs to believe that God is real and hates drug users.

And now you may, guest, how can we believe in God if we doubt? To those I say: Then doubt! Be doomed yourself! But do not plant that seed of doom into the souls of the greater generations yet to come!
#27
(02-22-2023, 06:23 AM)Guest Wrote: Drug use has gotten out of control because now, more than ever, the innate condition of man in the twenty-first century is one of lacking belonging and utter meaninglessness. Drugs are a means through which an individual can repress the feelings of inadequacy one gets when they contemplate their existence within the framework of our current zeitgeist.

Yeah it has nothing to do with the industrial production of drugs, industrial refinement of drugs, and globalization making the logistics of the drug trade possible. It's because everyone is sadz. Just like Qing China, everyone was just sadz that's why opium destroyed their 5000 year old civilization. This argument smacks of "I use drugs and this is the cope I use to justify it, and I'll project that cope onto all of society. And therefore drug use is inevitable because clown world."

Quote:Drugs certainly have destructive power, but most of you have missed the mark in suggesting that it is the drugs themselves that put their users into a vicious use cycle. Consider for a moment that the users you think about, or see on the streets, have a reason for engaging in their own self-destruction.
Teenagers don't have a reason to destroy themselves. It is the drug itself which does reduce them to the state where they have a reason to engage in self-destruction. The drug itself makes them wretched.

Quote:The implied notion ITT seems to be that a #SensitiveYoungMan would have his entire future squandered because he took a hit off of the communal joint: cannabis is not what you think it is, if so. Most who use it use it only a few times, some determine they don't like it... heavy-use cases, where the drug can become destructive, are individuals who have underlying issues that they are too weak to address.

Strawman which literally no one ITT has said or implied. Again, you probably use these hyperbolic reactive statements because you yourself are guilty of regular drug use, and you have a defensive reaction to being judged for it. If you have enough sense to be defensive about it, you can get enough sense to stop using drugs to any degree. We all live in clown world too and we don't need drugs to cope with it, so you can too.

The irony here is that this is what you pro-druggies are arguing. That young people should have their whole lives stolen from them by drugs to reckless non-interventionist lolberg policies. Those who want to put a stop to it are the only ones who care enough to put a stop to the destruction of lives. Will there always be people who destroy their own lives? Yes. But that is no reason to not reduce the numbers of those who do by way of competent interdiction policy.
#28
(02-22-2023, 11:32 AM)Carbide Wrote: Teenagers don't have a reason to destroy themselves.

Teenagers have the highest rate of engagement in self-harming behaviours out of any other demographic. Your statement is empirically and intuitively false.

(02-22-2023, 11:32 AM)Carbide Wrote: Strawman which literally no one ITT has said or implied. Again, you probably use these hyperbolic reactive statements because you yourself are guilty of regular drug use, and you have a defensive reaction to being judged for it. If you have enough sense to be defensive about it, you can get enough sense to stop using drugs to any degree. We all live in clown world too and we don't need drugs to cope with it, so you can too.

I feel no shame engaging in the consumption of recreational drugs. Alcohol use, as well as the use of medicinal, potentially psychoactive plants have the precedent of all of recorded human history on their side, whereas your misguided tyrannical abstinence is entirely a figment of your own insecurities.

I think the more pertinent assumption here is that the severity of your brainstorming is entirely due to your own personal circumstances, that lead you to cast aspersions onto the world at large. Perhaps it is that you resent casual drug use as being emblematic of a subsection of the culture through which you cannot penetrate - I don't know, you tell me.

All I can do is psychoanalyse, because the severity of your proposed model is so hellish and communistic, that it doesn't warrant engagement in good faith. I can understand a revulsion towards stoners to a point, but I can assure you that your rage would be better channelled toward something else.
#29
(02-22-2023, 04:53 PM)Guest Wrote: I feel no shame engaging in the consumption of recreational drugs. Alcohol use, as well as the use of medicinal, potentially psychoactive plants have the precedent of all of recorded human history on their side, whereas your misguided tyrannical abstinence is entirely a figment of your own insecurities.

"Yes, I am a degenerate druggie."
That's all you had to say bruh. And not only are you a degenerate druggie, but you're the type that proudly wants to spread your contagion to the rest of society, including, apparently, to the young.
You're right, there is no sense in any discussion between you and I.
#30
I find arguments that have to resort to "muh ancestors did it" are for faggots, maybe you should think about kys (suggestion).

Drinking and other stupefying drugs are something that should be avoided and minimised, however I only really believe this should be done by engineering a system where their use is actively discouraged by the mechanics of the environment.
If drinking alcohol or smoking weed causes no direct issues in your life I don't think it particularly matters if you take them or not. The issue here to me would be that you are in such an uncompetitive and pointless environment that you both feel the need to take them and don't feel the negative consequences they have on you.

I feel bad drinking, not because of the alcohol, but because I have nothing to do. #DrinkingByMyselfWednesday
#31
(02-22-2023, 05:15 PM)Carbide Wrote: bruh

The "Carbide is white trash" theory stands tall and undefeated.
#32
People say alcohol's a drug. It's not a drug, it's a drink!
#33
(02-21-2023, 06:37 AM)Guest Wrote: you have this ridiculously severe and unrealistic idea that you want to enact, with absolutely no way to do it. You have no strength, no charisma, and no influence - nothing but grandiosity, delusion, and overall, a total lack of self-awareness. I think, actually, rather than spending your time fantasizing about how you're going to "smash the patriarchy" or whatever, it'd be better for you to have a drink - or smoke - and maybe that would stop you from being a stodgy, teetotalling autist: that way, when you FINALLY get around to implementing your world domination plan, you aren't foiled by step one: interacting with human beings in real life.

Based guest.
#34
"Based guest."
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#35
(02-22-2023, 07:09 PM)The_Author Wrote:
(02-21-2023, 06:37 AM)Guest Wrote: you have this ridiculously severe and unrealistic idea that you want to enact, with absolutely no way to do it. You have no strength, no charisma, and no influence - nothing but grandiosity, delusion, and overall, a total lack of self-awareness. I think, actually, rather than spending your time fantasizing about how you're going to "smash the patriarchy" or whatever, it'd be better for you to have a drink - or smoke - and maybe that would stop you from being a stodgy, teetotalling autist: that way, when you FINALLY get around to implementing your world domination plan, you aren't foiled by step one: interacting with human beings in real life.

Based guest.

"You seem like a nigger. I hate niggers."
#36
(02-22-2023, 05:15 PM)Carbide Wrote: "Yes, I am a degenerate druggie."
That's all you had to say bruh. And not only are you a degenerate druggie, but you're the type that proudly wants to spread your contagion to the rest of society, including, apparently, to the young.
You're right, there is no sense in any discussion between you and I.

"Yes, I play video games."
That's all you had to say bruh. And not only are you a degenerate gamer, but you're the type that proudly wants to spread your contagion to the rest of society, including, apparently, to the young.
You're right, there is no sense in any discussion between you and I.
#37
Cannabis is gay. GMO-Hyper-Cannabis is GMO-Hyper-gay. Frequent alcohol use is gay (Having a drink with your friend once every other week is fine, but actual health damage from alcohol happens at quite low concentrations), especially when alone. Molly is based, but neurotoxic. Addy/Responsible-Meth makes you live and work more, so it's okay. Cocaine is burning money for no reason, so it's gay. Nicotine is okay, but should be taken as lozenges or maybe hookah, and never cigarettes or snuff. Do hallucinogens once or twice for the experience. Downers are soma for the spiritually dead.

It's that simple.

(02-22-2023, 04:53 PM)Guest Wrote: I feel no shame engaging in the consumption of recreational drugs. Alcohol use, as well as the use of medicinal, potentially psychoactive plants have the precedent of all of recorded human history on their side, whereas your misguided tyrannical abstinence is entirely a figment of your own insecurities.

If chronic alcohol use is good, then why did East Asians, the culture with the longest history of alcohol use, develop physiological mechanisms to prevent chronic consumption? With the exception of potheads, everyone knows what level and kind of drug usage is healthy. Everything else is gay, and should be looked down upon.

There's an unhealthy absolutist bent to much of the talk here that I don't like. Among some of you, everything is either ULTRA BASED THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH RECREATIONAL DRUGS, or MY DAD DRINKS, BILLIONS MUST DIE. This is cope with no relation to reality or normal human experience, and probably comes from some form of upsetting personal experience.

People here avoid mentioning their vices, because everyone wants to be a strong singleton ubermensch, but strength comes from your volk. No one here is pure; everyone here would like to be. Nothing is better for avoiding these things than talking to healthy friends about your struggles. Everyone here knows that having bad drug use be seen as low-status, but something you share with friends as you struggle away from it is the path. Does reasonable here disagree?
#38
(02-24-2023, 01:50 AM)kirukuni Wrote: People here avoid mentioning their vices, because everyone wants to be a strong singleton ubermensch, but strength comes from your volk. No one here is pure; everyone here would like to be. Nothing is better for avoiding these things than talking to healthy friends about your struggles. Everyone here knows that having bad drug use be seen as low-status, but something you share with friends as you struggle away from it is the path. Does reasonable here disagree?

Let's all mention our vices.

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Caffeine. I drink a lot of coffee too, but soft drinks, and particularly pepsi, have this sharp sensation that I seek out. The whole sensation feels like a sensory scouring which I use to reset myself when bothered by things like a lot of noise, or a generally unpleasant environment. Noise, smell, unpleasantly arranged objects I don't like looking at.
#39
(02-24-2023, 01:50 AM)kirukuni Wrote: ULTRA BASED THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH RECREATIONAL DRUGS

No one said this.

Quote:MY DAD DRINKS, BILLIONS MUST DIE.

Based.

I almost completely agree with your assessments of particular drugs. Drugs are bad for you
#40
Will there be Pervitin in the Keyedstaat?



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