Post Victory Thread: Drug Users

[Carbide]

Rent free. You don't need to @ me after saying we have nothing to talk about. And now you're retreating behind the safety of alcohol as a motte and bailey tactic. Talk about the 'weed of your ancestors' instead.
I've lost interest in this thread because I'm not interested in arguing with degenerate lolbergs on why drug use is good, ackshyually. I incorrectly assumed most people on this board would take it as a given that drug use is something we don't want passed on to the next generation.

[BillyONare]

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[The_Author]

the onus isn't on me to explain to you why that doesn't make me a degenerate that should be interned, but rather the onus is on you to explain why it does.

I support the wisdom of this particular guest, however I would like to opine that "onus" is a gay concept for gays, popular with new-atheists and other faux-rationalist subcultures.

Any assertion is proven by something or it isn't. "You are a degenerate that should be interned" and "I am not a degenerate that should be interned" both must be based on some kind of rationale, or else they are not reasonable. It doesn't matter which claim is outlandish, first, second, positive, negative, or whatever ancillary quality they possess.

Burden of proof is an academic formality appropriate to certain types of debates and such. This is Amarna Forum. We prove our assertions here with facts and logic, we don't hide behind "default position".

[Guest]

the onus isn't on me to explain to you why that doesn't make me a degenerate that should be interned, but rather the onus is on you to explain why it does.

I support the wisdom of this particular guest, however I would like to opine that "onus" is a gay concept for gays, popular with new-atheists and other faux-rationalist subcultures.

Any assertion is proven by something or it isn't. "You are a degenerate that should be interned" and "I am not a degenerate that should be interned" both must be based on some kind of rationale, or else they are not reasonable. It doesn't matter which claim is outlandish, first, second, positive, negative, or whatever ancillary quality they possess.

Burden of proof is an academic formality appropriate to certain types of debates and such. This is Amarna Forum. We prove our assertions here with facts and logic, we don't hide behind "default position".

I stated my case, and it was on @Carbide to continue the dialogue: hence, "the onus is on him." He couldn't provide any type of rationale - only "lolbert" ad hominem. Fair enough, though, my wording was misleading, and I understand where you're coming from.

[kirukuni]

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Let's all mention our vices.



Caffeine. I drink a lot of coffee too, but soft drinks, and particularly pepsi, have this sharp sensation that I seek out. The whole sensation feels like a sensory scouring which I use to reset myself when bothered by things like a lot of noise, or a generally unpleasant environment. Noise, smell, unpleasantly arranged objects I don't like looking at.

Shitty, low quality manga does it for me. Used in the same way. Something completely void of meaning or links to the rest of the world so that there's no pressure to have opinions or think.

[anthony]

Shitty, low quality manga does it for me. Used in the same way. Something completely void of meaning or links to the rest of the world so that there's no pressure to have opinions or think.

I use manga as a kind of in-between media. Easy to read and spur myself into when I feel like I could otherwise just be doing absolutely nothing, and I know that I'll often have something to think about later. It's the most interesting thing I'm capable of doing while exhausted. Felt awful last week and read all of Liar Game over a few days. I didn't like it, but it kept me going and it was more interestingly bad than anything else I could have looked at in that mood. And of course I still maintain that the same author's One Outs is a masterpiece. Read that one in a higher state, but still didn't have to be in a great or driven mood to get into it.

[imperator]

And of course I still maintain that the same author's One Outs is a masterpiece.

I second the brilliance of One Outs; not even a baseball fan and still think it is brilliant.
I would recommend the anime adaption too, if one enjoys such things.

[Guest]

And of course I still maintain that the same author's One Outs is a masterpiece.

I second the brilliance of One Outs; not even a baseball fan and still think it is brilliant.
I would recommend the anime adaption too, if one enjoys such things.

Thirded. The psychological warfare waged in that manga is incredible, and it is one of the more logical gambling manga (as opposed to Liar Game, which is one of the less logical ones). Absolute classic, probably third or fourth best gambling manga.

[imperator]

Absolute classic, probably third or fourth best gambling manga.

What manga did you have in mind?

Personally, I would place One Outs in the top two along with Kaiji.
The only other gambling manga that I can think of as being well lauded is Akagi, but I'm not a fan of Mah-jong so I've never bothered to read it - maybe one day.

[Grimm]

I like technology and, infrequently, smoking weed. Your proposal to kill a bunch of people over a minor crime is highly Asiatic. It's not too far off from the Chinkese welding people inside of their apartments to achieve Zero Coronavirus or Japan raising the age of consent or Singapore fashily killing druggies while also fashily making everyone wear face diapers and consuming the worst drug of all: vaccines. Please keep in mind that Aryans are bred to be amoral apex predators, not tax slaves to weak and resentful bureaucrats that want their betters to follow a thousand stifling rules at the point of a bayonet. Libertarians are again proven to be the most based.

If being too Asiatic is your issue with it, consuming drugs, especially weed and alcohol makes people too niggerish, it's a complete mind-destroyer and wastes the potential of any human being who consumes it. Aryans were never amoral, apex predators are noble beings by definition.

As to how to phase it out, alcohol might never fully disappear from the black market in a way other harder to produce drugs would. Allowing it to exist in a manageable form, a low ABV and heavily taxed to the point where the youth may prefer to consume coffee instead. 

Drugs are a total waste and perversion of life.

[JohnnyRomero]

People here avoid mentioning their vices, because everyone wants to be a strong singleton ubermensch, but strength comes from your volk. No one here is pure; everyone here would like to be. Nothing is better for avoiding these things than talking to healthy friends about your struggles. Everyone here knows that having bad drug use be seen as low-status, but something you share with friends as you struggle away from it is the path. Does reasonable here disagree?

Let's all mention our vices.



Caffeine. I drink a lot of coffee too, but soft drinks, and particularly pepsi, have this sharp sensation that I seek out. The whole sensation feels like a sensory scouring which I use to reset myself when bothered by things like a lot of noise, or a generally unpleasant environment. Noise, smell, unpleasantly arranged objects I don't like looking at.

ASMR is one of the more ignoble vices in which I indulge. Probably an autism sensory thing, exacerbated by my lifelong insomnia. I think I got hooked on it from being a lonely high schooler in a noisy house with many siblings - it gave a sort of dull numbing effect and blocked out noise in addition to providing the pleasure of simulated female contact. I try my best to avoid it, as it is (by nature) very draining.

I greatly enjoy drinking and being drunk. I love the social openness and honesty which comes with a bit of liquid courage, as well as the physical sensation of drunkenness, the warmth and looseness. I strongly prefer mixed drinks or non-distilled beverages (wine, beer, my homemade mead, etc.) - straight liquor makes my stomach feel awful the next day. Weed (I have only tried gummies) is so-so for me, not particularly interesting.

I use coffee in a utilitarian manner, to wake me up and keep me awake.


"It's real"

[Guest]

Aryans were never amoral, apex predators are noble beings by definition.

False and your conflating Morality with Nobility(not the same).

Morality is a relatively new invention created through necessity from the Bronze Age Collapse. Religion, Philosophy and Morality were all essentially created around same time due to same change in humanity that made us distinct from our predecessors age. 

Both Hesiod and lao tzu in there works reference an early ancient humanity closer to perfection and divinity then the current decadence of their race. In all the old world around the same time we see similar collapse of old structure(which are more similar then different in their current strangeness to us) of society. Humanity before Bronze Age collapse and post Bronze Age collapse are radically different) our indo-European ancestors were one of these races before the essentially evolutionary stage had taken place in their race so by definition they were amoral. 

(Btw this change was only showing it’s infancy in the Americas but hadn’t lead to the style of society collapse that(cause by change in essence) that would not only give them ability to create Religion, Morality, and Philosophy but would necessitate the invention of such things)

[Guest]

I will Offer a perhaps unique perspective.

I come from a youth of slow suicide, changed to fast at some point, failed at the brink (edge of bridge changed my mind in other words.) During this path I decided to enjoy as many chemical pleasures as possible. Most of the psychedelics as well as many research chemicals that do similar things. Cocaine and heroine were the chosen two, used in combination. This was a romantic gesture given my at-the-time worship of old rock stars. The boring drugs too, cannabis, alcohol, amphetamines (not quite pharmaceutical grade at the time.)

When I changed my mind I was able to leave both cocaine and heroine without an issue. Physical withdrawal was uncomfortable but not too bad. Note that I never injected and this may be why it was easier. But I never saw any of the others from those places leave...Or change their consumption at all.

For this reason I expect that many "junked" individuals simply see no other reason to live and continue for this reason. Addiction is not as strong as is meme'd. Alternatively, I am strange. When I was wishing for the end, it was natural to consume drugs in a way that was not sustainable. Afterwards, it wasn't.

As for now, I drink a lot of coffee and vaporize nicotine (will grow tobacco at some point probably, since smoking is more enjoyable.) Drink sparingly, once or twice a month, small amounts. No hard drugs at all. Cannabis from time to time.

[anthony]

I will Offer a perhaps unique perspective.

I come from a youth of slow suicide, changed to fast at some point, failed at the brink (edge of bridge changed my mind in other words.)  During this path I decided to enjoy as many chemical pleasures as possible. Most of the psychedelics as well as many research chemicals that do similar things. Cocaine and heroine were the chosen two, used in combination. This was a romantic gesture given my at-the-time worship of old rock stars. The boring drugs too, cannabis, alcohol, amphetamines (not quite pharmaceutical grade at the time.)

When I changed my mind I was able to leave both cocaine and heroine without an issue. Physical withdrawal was uncomfortable but not too bad. Note that I never injected and this may be why it was easier. But I never saw any of the others from those places leave...Or change their consumption at all.

For this reason I expect that many "junked" individuals simply see no other reason to live and continue for this reason. Addiction is not as strong as is meme'd. Alternatively, I am strange. When I was wishing for the end, it was natural to consume drugs in a way that was not sustainable. Afterwards, it wasn't.

As for now, I drink a lot of coffee and vaporize nicotine (will grow tobacco at some point probably, since smoking is more enjoyable.) Drink sparingly, once or twice a month, small amounts. No hard drugs at all. Cannabis from time to time.

I've heard from a few places that addiction and withdrawal are massively influenced by what a person has going on in life. Would you care to elaborate further on your experiences there?

I remember Theodore Dalrymple (who was a prison doctor if I remember right) saying something like that physiologically heroin withdrawal is about as hard on the body as a normal flu.

[Guest]

I will Offer a perhaps unique perspective.

I come from a youth of slow suicide, changed to fast at some point, failed at the brink (edge of bridge changed my mind in other words.)  During this path I decided to enjoy as many chemical pleasures as possible. Most of the psychedelics as well as many research chemicals that do similar things. Cocaine and heroine were the chosen two, used in combination. This was a romantic gesture given my at-the-time worship of old rock stars. The boring drugs too, cannabis, alcohol, amphetamines (not quite pharmaceutical grade at the time.)

When I changed my mind I was able to leave both cocaine and heroine without an issue. Physical withdrawal was uncomfortable but not too bad. Note that I never injected and this may be why it was easier. But I never saw any of the others from those places leave...Or change their consumption at all.

For this reason I expect that many "junked" individuals simply see no other reason to live and continue for this reason. Addiction is not as strong as is meme'd. Alternatively, I am strange. When I was wishing for the end, it was natural to consume drugs in a way that was not sustainable. Afterwards, it wasn't.

As for now, I drink a lot of coffee and vaporize nicotine (will grow tobacco at some point probably, since smoking is more enjoyable.) Drink sparingly, once or twice a month, small amounts. No hard drugs at all. Cannabis from time to time.

I've heard from a few places that addiction and withdrawal are massively influenced by what a person has going on in life. Would you care to elaborate further on your experiences there?

I remember Theodore Dalrymple (who was a prison doctor if I remember right) saying something like that physiologically heroin withdrawal is about as hard on the body as a normal flu.

I will do my best.

My family life has always been good as has my social life. Nothing untoward was done, no great malice was suffered, etc. But I was heavily disillusioned as a child for other reasons. School was unsatisfying for various reasons. I wrote and made music and this was a nice outlet. Still, the feeling of despair developed from this seeming lack of a valuable future. My time for artistic pursuits was being encroached upon in larger ways as education progressed. Simultaneous, most people stopped playing instruments for favor of the production role. I also did this, and was mildly successful, but it was further disillusioning me. (The form itself was...lacking in my understanding at the time.) A pervading air of "cheapness" was around everything at that time.
As this went on I also went deeper into drugs. Romance was cheap, understood to be temporary...So I largely disdained it. 
Mostly, I had nothing to make. I had made my outlet into a trap. The drugs made me less intelligent and less able to see this. But the edge of the bridge was nauseating and simply felt wrong. This is despite a large amount of vodka drank previous. Or liquid courage does not work on such extremes...
Anyway, the large feeling from this moment made me reconsider. If death is this scary, feels like this, when it is immediately in front of me...Then maybe I don't want to die and there is something I want to do. It was a leap of faith to consider the leap. Or it led me to make some other leap of faith...some affirmative to this life.
I was always lucky to have financial padding and so maybe this contributes too. 
Yes, my body was never hit hard. Additionally, I always lifted weights and trained since I was about 13, so this probably helped make the pain feel much less than it was. Lost about 40 pounds (was skin and bones) during the end of the end. But gained it back quickly. Stretch marks on muscles now however...

[anthony]

Yes, my body was never hit hard. Additionally, I always lifted weights and trained since I was about 13, so this probably helped make the pain feel much less than it was. Lost about 40 pounds (was skin and bones) during the end of the end. But gained it back quickly. Stretch marks on muscles now however...

That sounds extreme to me, but I guess considering how other people talk about this you got out decently. How was the experience getting along to the "end of the end"?

[Guest]

Yes, my body was never hit hard. Additionally, I always lifted weights and trained since I was about 13, so this probably helped make the pain feel much less than it was. Lost about 40 pounds (was skin and bones) during the end of the end. But gained it back quickly. Stretch marks on muscles now however...

That sounds extreme to me, but I guess considering how other people talk about this you got out decently. How was the experience getting along to the "end of the end"?

Not sure. That part is fairly hazy to me. I know I was lying very often, and stuck in a standard "drug room" type place. Ate once a day usually, or less. No physical activity really. Dosages were such that I couldn't do much so I doubt I consumed much media or anything else. Probably just music and looking at the wall. (Did not use the computer much at this time, too distracting.)

[anthony]

Not sure. That part is fairly hazy to me. I know I was lying very often, and stuck in a standard "drug room" type place. Ate once a day usually, or less. No physical activity really. Dosages were such that I couldn't do much so I doubt I consumed much media or anything else. Probably just music and looking at the wall. (Did not use the computer much at this time, too distracting.)

Were you placed in some kind of program?

[Guest]

Not sure. That part is fairly hazy to me. I know I was lying very often, and stuck in a standard "drug room" type place. Ate once a day usually, or less. No physical activity really. Dosages were such that I couldn't do much so I doubt I consumed much media or anything else. Probably just music and looking at the wall. (Did not use the computer much at this time, too distracting.)

Were you placed in some kind of program?

No. I saw a psychologist afterward but they agreed nothing was wrong with me.

[anthony]

Not sure. That part is fairly hazy to me. I know I was lying very often, and stuck in a standard "drug room" type place. Ate once a day usually, or less. No physical activity really. Dosages were such that I couldn't do much so I doubt I consumed much media or anything else. Probably just music and looking at the wall. (Did not use the computer much at this time, too distracting.)

Were you placed in some kind of program?

No. I saw a psychologist afterward but they agreed nothing was wrong with me.

Sounds like you dealt with this pretty handily then.