Raising Fertility

[Unformed Golem]

Do you agree with the thesis that anti natalism and contraception would create a selective pressure where the only people that reproduce are the ones who have a desire to reproduce?

https://robertstark.substack.com/p/white...um=reader2

" California’s hyper competitive environment is especially bad for family formation, which is relevant to breeder selection theory. The theory hypothesizes that demographic groups that undergo Darwinian selection pressures earlier may have advantages over other groups in the long run. Even if White decline persists for the next few decades, the subset of Whites who remain in California long-term will likely be more resilient, selected to withstand anti-natalist selection pressures, by the shedding of Whites who are more atomized, and less resilient through, childlessness, out-marriage, and the exodus. I expect this trend to become more pronounced in the future, rather than just the assumption of endless White flight and decline. It is also possible to see the tables turn, where White Californians evolve to become more tribal, while the descendants of non-Western immigrants become more atomized as they assimilate. "

Won't claim to speak for The Forum but: no.  Look around you; whatever selective pressures are being applied aren't eugenic.  "Desire to reproduce" includes categories like "too dumb to use contraception" and "are artificially selected by the state for being harmful to white people".  Also, there's an element of antinatalism that isn't just happening; if a progressive state saw the white population increasing they would likely take steps to suppress it (the Amish are worth watching in this regard; currently their numbers are too low, and their populations too isolated, to attract much attention).

Past human populations have simply vanished.  Do not just assume that you can do nothing in the face of massively resourced malice and things will all work out somehow.

[Guest]

Do you think the abundance of entertaiment and stimulation(computers,videogames,internet),the fear of missing out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_missing_out and anxiety for the future are the real causes of low birthrates in industrialized nations ?

[anthony]

Do you think the abundance of entertaiment and stimulation(computers,videogames,internet),the fear of missing out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_missing_out  and anxiety for the future are the real causes of low birthrates in industrialized nations ?

Why do people act like such an obvious human feeling is this stunning psychological breakthrough? "FOMO" sounds so stupid.

Otherwise, has this been posted here before? https://www.pimlicojournal.co.uk/p/where...ean-babies

[NuclearAbsolutist]

Do you think the abundance of entertaiment and stimulation(computers,videogames,internet),the fear of missing out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_missing_out  and anxiety for the future are the real causes of low birthrates in industrialized nations ?

Let's look at two place's with known backwardness ought to be free of ripe overdeveloped life we lead

The United States enjoyed a 57-year period over which its population of people older than 65 doubled from 10% to 20%. Latin America is about to embark upon the same transition in just 28 years. This provides little time to adapt to what Simone Cecchini of the UN’s Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean calls a “radical change”. Footing ballooning bills for pensions and health care will be a big challenge. Dealing with the drag on economic growth created by a shrinking workforce will be another.

https://archive.is/YOr9k



The fact there's now a worry among those at international organizations of "Global South" places going gray before they "ought" to be rich or at least richer put's quite the wrench in the classic theory that the great tfr drop is due to some anxiety or video games. I'll point now to two sentences in two different pieces about African demographics(A common mainstream point in demographic discussion  I've noticed is Africa as last young place standing and Why This Matters)  for consideration, I find it telling in neither piece it is really discussed further because of course in our common worldview now, it is right as rain.

https://archive.is/4BS1A

Instead, she enrolled at the Center for Girls Education, an American-funded program that has helped as many as 70,000 girls to stay in school, and ultimately to have smaller families.
Educating girls has an unusually large effect on family size in Africa because it delays the age of marriage and helps young women to space out their children, researchers have found. “It’s a natural kind of birth control,” said Habiba Mohammed, the program’s director.

https://archive.is/6Bqrz

Girls’ education also makes a big difference to fertility rates. In Angola, for instance, women without any schooling have 7.8 children, whereas those with tertiary education have 2.3. Educated women have a better chance of a job, so the opportunity cost of staying at home to look after children is higher and they are more likely to win arguments with their husbands over how many kids to have.

[Golden Birch Groyper]

Do you think the abundance of entertaiment and stimulation(computers,videogames,internet),the fear of missing out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_missing_out  and anxiety for the future are the real causes of low birthrates in industrialized nations ?

Let's look at two place's with known backwardness ought to be free of ripe overdeveloped life we lead

The United States enjoyed a 57-year period over which its population of people older than 65 doubled from 10% to 20%. Latin America is about to embark upon the same transition in just 28 years. This provides little time to adapt to what Simone Cecchini of the UN’s Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean calls a “radical change”. Footing ballooning bills for pensions and health care will be a big challenge. Dealing with the drag on economic growth created by a shrinking workforce will be another.

https://archive.is/YOr9k



The fact there's now a worry among those at international organizations of "Global South" places going gray before they "ought" to be rich or at least richer put's quite the wrench in the classic theory that the great tfr drop is due to some anxiety or video games. I'll point now to two sentences in two different pieces about African demographics(A common mainstream point in demographic discussion  I've noticed is Africa as last young place standing and Why This Matters)  for consideration, I find it telling in neither piece it is really discussed further because of course in our common worldview now, it is right as rain.

https://archive.is/4BS1A

Instead, she enrolled at the Center for Girls Education, an American-funded program that has helped as many as 70,000 girls to stay in school, and ultimately to have smaller families.
Educating girls has an unusually large effect on family size in Africa because it delays the age of marriage and helps young women to space out their children, researchers have found. “It’s a natural kind of birth control,” said Habiba Mohammed, the program’s director.

https://archive.is/6Bqrz

Girls’ education also makes a big difference to fertility rates. In Angola, for instance, women without any schooling have 7.8 children, whereas those with tertiary education have 2.3. Educated women have a better chance of a job, so the opportunity cost of staying at home to look after children is higher and they are more likely to win arguments with their husbands over how many kids to have.

I've never really understood why everyone acts like fertility rates are a big mystery. It's pretty well known that it's more or less just a product of giving women money and freedom. Literally just take their money and beat them until they comply. TFR issue solved.

[august]

I've never really understood why everyone acts like fertility rates are a big mystery. It's pretty well known that it's more or less just a product of giving women money and freedom. Literally just take their money and beat them until they comply. TFR issue solved.

Pure meritocratic institutions would probably change many things about the world. 

[Golden Birch Groyper]

I've never really understood why everyone acts like fertility rates are a big mystery. It's pretty well known that it's more or less just a product of giving women money and freedom. Literally just take their money and beat them until they comply. TFR issue solved.

Pure meritocratic institutions would probably change many things about the world. 

The high WASP/Yankee is one of the more unjustly maligned species of human on this earth. Very Meritocratic people, indeed.

Consider also:

[Golden Birch Groyper]

I've never really understood why everyone acts like fertility rates are a big mystery. It's pretty well known that it's more or less just a product of giving women money and freedom. Literally just take their money and beat them until they comply. TFR issue solved.

Pure meritocratic institutions would probably change many things about the world. 

The high WASP/Yankee is one of the more unjustly maligned species of human on this earth. Very Meritocratic people, indeed.

Consider also:

Also, does anyone know if there's reliable data on TFR by U.S. county? Given the degree of population churn in certain places and the tendency of people to visit urban hospitals to actually give birth, it seems like it'd be hard to track, but it would allow for some reply interesting cross references with other county level data sets to see what factors actually impact TFR.

[thankyoucomeagain]

Do you think the abundance of entertaiment and stimulation(computers,videogames,internet),the fear of missing out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_missing_out  and anxiety for the future are the real causes of low birthrates in industrialized nations ?

Let's look at two place's with known backwardness ought to be free of ripe overdeveloped life we lead

The United States enjoyed a 57-year period over which its population of people older than 65 doubled from 10% to 20%. Latin America is about to embark upon the same transition in just 28 years. This provides little time to adapt to what Simone Cecchini of the UN’s Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean calls a “radical change”. Footing ballooning bills for pensions and health care will be a big challenge. Dealing with the drag on economic growth created by a shrinking workforce will be another.

https://archive.is/YOr9k



The fact there's now a worry among those at international organizations of "Global South" places going gray before they "ought" to be rich or at least richer put's quite the wrench in the classic theory that the great tfr drop is due to some anxiety or video games. I'll point now to two sentences in two different pieces about African demographics(A common mainstream point in demographic discussion  I've noticed is Africa as last young place standing and Why This Matters)  for consideration, I find it telling in neither piece it is really discussed further because of course in our common worldview now, it is right as rain.

https://archive.is/4BS1A

Instead, she enrolled at the Center for Girls Education, an American-funded program that has helped as many as 70,000 girls to stay in school, and ultimately to have smaller families.
Educating girls has an unusually large effect on family size in Africa because it delays the age of marriage and helps young women to space out their children, researchers have found. “It’s a natural kind of birth control,” said Habiba Mohammed, the program’s director.

https://archive.is/6Bqrz

Girls’ education also makes a big difference to fertility rates. In Angola, for instance, women without any schooling have 7.8 children, whereas those with tertiary education have 2.3. Educated women have a better chance of a job, so the opportunity cost of staying at home to look after children is higher and they are more likely to win arguments with their husbands over how many kids to have.

I've travelled and have friends in nearly every Indian state and I can tell you with total confidence that the tfr of every state corresponds directly to how common it is to send girls to college and have them spend up to their late 20s studying or working. Uttar Pradesh and Bihar are closest to being essentially a giant breeding ghetto, with tons of muslim compounds where women have 8+ children.

[Guest]

@Golden Birch Groyper

The usa census data has some fertility data by county and by race. You will want to get data from one of the big census years. Code S1301 or search for others like it yourself.

[Golden Birch Groyper]

@Golden Birch Groyper

The usa census data has some fertility data by county and by race. You will want to get data from one of the big census years. Code S1301 or search for others like it yourself.

[ul]
[li]Having trouble finding anything but there's good detail at the state level. I think it's interesting that Vermont has the lowest TFR of any state, while North Dakota is the highest. In many ways, they seem similar to one another: white, rural, reasonably affluent. The cultural and economic orientation of one state over the other seems to have more to do with fertility than actual wealth. [/li]
[/ul]

[Guest]

The solution is keeping women in cages.

[Pioneer]

The whole situation has me confused. Why do so many women seem to need to give their children formula instead of breastfeeding? I understand that there are cases where babies might have type of allergy where they can't ingest milk, but such situations are incredibly rare (which makes evolutionary sense). Is it really an issue of diet? I was reading this article about how some hospitals do and should offer 'breastfeeding consultants' and provide pumps and lots of other information. I never thought all of this was necessary; it seems like this was not an issue for people in Western society a century ago. Even when mothers themselves couldn't breastfeed (or didn't want to for class reasons), the concept of wet-nurses existed and were available to women in the upper and maybe even middle classes.

 - Leverkuhn

Compounded hormonal imbalance. Much of this comes from a diet of SSRIs and McDonald's, however the main culprit in my view is what I'll sloppily label "bodily alienation". Women aren't exposed to breastfeeding as a natural act in the same way as previous generations. For ideal macronutrient-lipid ratios in breastmilk and for the glands to be properly productive, the presence of stress hormones like cortisol have to be kept to a minimum. When the foid brain hasn't been acclimated to a nurturing role they become anxious at the prospect, creating a negative feedback loop that overwhelms them and makes their brains prioritize other functions over breastmilk production. *The act of breastfeeding itself is instinctual, motherhood is not.* This phenomenon is mirrored in the concept of labelling newborns/feti as parasites or intruders upon the mother's sovereignty.

The solution? Swallow the culture-wide disgust over public breastfeeding as a necessary evil and force young foids to observe the process firsthand.

[Unformed Golem]

The reason why so many women don't breastfeed is right there in the quote: even in the past, many women didn't for "class reasons". Now women have higher social status than ever so of course this has spread. Breastfeeding gets in the way of work and is low-status to boot since if you're hanging around letting a child (bald, short, tiny penis -- blech!) gnaw on your nipples you're not empowering yourself. That's why advocates for breastfeeding moved from making arguments that it's better for childrens' health (lmao who cares get rekt babby) to telling women that it would give them an excuse to whip out their tits in public or make demands for space ("lactation rooms" etc). Unfortunately that didn't really work either since modern women don't need excuses to show their boobs or make other demands.

[Guest]

I think modern education makes children expensive because it creates degree inflation.
"Degree inflation makes children impractically expensive, since you have to support them in a good school for twenty three years or so, which often enough somehow turns into thirty years or so. If most kids failed their school leaving certificate when they began puberty and promptly got kicked out of schooling (thus making the school leaving certificate an actually useful qualification and allowing teachers to require children to learn actually useful stuff for the school leaving certificate) then kids would be a profitable investment once again – particularly if the law backed the authority of the father over his male children till 21, and his female children until married or infertile."

"Coeducation means that fertile age women spend lots of unsupervised time in the company of men who have no ability to have a family, and no inclination or economic ability to settle down, and do not ordinarily get to meet men who might be able to marry them. By the time they get to work, they have already ridden far too much cock and have become jaded, their bosses are married, and their male co-workers are lower in status than they are. And the smarter the woman, the more years she spends riding cock in higher education, so the less likely it is she will be able have a family" https://blog.reaction.la/war/the-trouble...-and-1488/