Regarding porn

[Zed]

You intellectualize it to make it appear neutered, but it's all like pleasure island in Pinocchio. Excess indulgence leading to the degeneration and warping of character. Specifying how the high is reached distracts from the real problem, the pursuit of a bigger high itself. If you can watch porn (or indulge in any vice) without this kind of escalation you'll be okay. The only real problem of interest is as simple as corruption feeding on itself, regardless of the specific form it takes.

Principle issue is that a substantial portion of people who are attracted to these kinds of things are already deviant to begin with. Most fetish formations predate porn exposure, and have root in a variety of essentially irreducible childhood experiences. There is a small subset of people that follow the route of a complete descent of degeneracy, chasing more and more fucked up shit to raise the libidinal high - but, the vast majority of fetish fixations seem more hard-coded. The question of what causes the encoding is interesting. A child might accidentally piss themselves in bed, get yelled at by their mom, and somehow end up with a lifelong piss fetish. Or they see a really weird Pixar furry character make a face of extreme pleasure, and form an association. When you meet people that have a diaper fetish or a fetish for weird cartoon shit, it tends to lean on a deeply fixed prior that was present before porn exposure - and people find release valve for it. One can still find incredibly old websites, from an age before visual porn was common on the internet, filled with hundreds of thousands of pages of erotica. The same fetishes now ubiquitous in /d/ were already there in text form.

So, well the question itself isn't neutered - it is incredibly difficult to address the root causes of these things. Although I believe it is possible to reconfigure ones sexual fetishes and escape them, it is a deeply intensive psychological experience requiring an incredible amount of will. Most simply cannot be assed to do so. The more shitty and hopeless their lives are, the harder they will lean into their tastes.

The practical reality of porn is that is essentially an unsolvable problem and it is becoming more unsolvable by the day: A 4GB stable diffusion model can render a lifetime worth of mid-to-high quality porn on a private computer. Barring an end to all forms of internet anonymity, a ban on crypto, intensive research into blocking Tor encrypted traffic, and invasive (offline) digital monitoring - porn will remain and continue to propagate wildly.

The question that people need to ask is how much of the internet are they willing to gut to suppress it. I'm in favor of gutting nothing, and seeing who rides out the bottleneck.

[zazzle]

It's only a matter of time before they start putting troons in mainstream pornography.

Tranny porn is not a small market as is --- it is also deeply interesting from a sexology point of view. There are some theories, notably Blanchard's GAMP, on it... but I largely dissent from them.

Generally, it appears that there is an element in a good number of male brains relating to sympathetic arousal at the sight of erect cock. It is not homosexual in the sense that the cock is not the fixation or even the interest of the viewer, but appears often as a necessary ingredient in a heterosexual context to make it feel real (and hence erotic). Seems to be something about generating a relatable body-map identification. Thus standard M/F PIV is always far more popular than lesbians with strap-ons, and one notes a frequent emphasis on the shots of cock in such content. This tendency, subject to elaboration, leads to futanari, which manifests as a hack designed to maximize the effect: it maintains standard female anatomy with the addition of a erect cock. Anecdotal evidence suggests that the majority of consumers of futa do not actually have any homosexual tendencies. 

Now tranny porn, at least with the highest tier of trannies, also invokes the hack... but often in a way that touches uncanny valley. The average man feel decisively less comfortable with tranny porn - even when they find it arousing. The "Is this gay bruh?" instinct is quite strong in the normie.

As for actual frequent tranny porn consumers - they break down into three classes:

1.) Closet trannies/repressors who utilize the porn to self insert. This happens with conventional live-action porn, but it is more common with doujinshi and other animated/illustrated content. They favor images that represent what they wish they looked like - "I wish I was her."

2.) The chaser: A class of beta males who idolize trannies as more 'relatable' than normal women. "She likes to fuck and will play dark souls with me!". The tranny becomes their fantasy GF, and tendency is somewhat similar to how a certain class of men idolize tomboy-ish girls. This class of men favor extremely passable trannies that are indistinguishable from women in looks. They really just desire something with the looks of a woman... but the spirit of a man.

3.) Predatory alpha bisexuals, who get off on the idea of dominating a boy who has feminized themselves and making her his bitch. For them... it is all about power and degradation. They generally have the filthiest tastes: They prefer trannies that look more overtly boyish, or at least on the femboy spectrum. They perceive anal sex as inherently degrading, and find such an act of dominance thrilling. This is common in a lot of middle eastern men.

alex jones got caught with tranny porn. there are many 'chasers' on the right wing. people get aroused when something is forbidden, and with all the porn it is something new.. which give people a bigger 'high'.

there are two realities if were being srs
1. lots of porn is bad and not good for you, the type of porn is also important. if you jerk off to photos of naked ladies your fine. HD 4K video of a man fucking a women is bad, your cucking yourself. i never did no fap, i just started only jerking off to tasteful half-naked to naked photos of Asuka and Oriental BABES.
2. porn will never go away, at least for a long time. we have to live with it. and maybe BAPs idea of rw-porn isn't as retarded as it seems on the surface.

[anthony]

Dog-brained morons love filth, taboo, and debasement. Lawrence's essay 'Pornography and Obscenity' is in my opinion one of the sharpest things ever written about "pornography" and I recommend you all read the whole thing. Here's an excerpt which may shed some light on the "mainstream troon porn" question.



Full piece can be read here: https://masculinisation.files.wordpress....cenity.pdf

I may even have already mentioned this piece in this thread. I don't remember.

[Zed]

I'll contest this.

Death, decay, and degeneration is as inherent to sex as creative life itself. I think it requires an active blindness to see otherwise. Setting aside the reality of the large number of extant species achieve self-annihilation in copulation, the conditions of men and women speak suffice in and of themselves:

When a woman lies in your bed, she presents herself on a sacrificial altar. If she is a virgin, her blood will soil the sheets. If a child is brought from the act, her body will forever bare those marks and scars (more, we are not remotely far from a time when it would not have been unlikely for her to pass in pregnancy). 

And what of the spiritual aspects of allowing one's body to be violated? What of the act of doing such to one you love? What of claiming her as your own, and binding her potential and axis alongside your own? In claiming her, you must also kill her - if only slightly. If the significance of this is not appreciated, if the violation is not perceived - then sex is reduced to an inherent mundanity. That is the true brutalization inflicted on sex, not 'filth' but inhibition of the formation of the sacred in denial of the sacrifice. This is the ethos of our age, of modern hookup culture, cheap LARPed BDSM, theatrical performative sex. 

I am someone who takes pleasure in the violation of taboo and depravity. But, the desire is not to be filthy or to cheapen sex. Such things are empty in and of themselves. Instead, I see the well of dark spiritual potential that lying between Thanatos and Eros, where the desires of depravity coil and wind themselves about the desires of love. It is the place where the unthinkable is rendered tactile, where all opposites freely intermingle. Picture: She smiles softly as she hands you a torched knife and asks you to sear your name into her soft smooth flesh. Letter by wretched letter. You might deny her that. You might recoil in horror at the mere suggestion. Or you might push past, obliging and leaning deeper into the black river.  It runs towards death --- that is surely a real price paid --- yet you will come to know each other in an unspeakable intimacy. That is the boon, even as it soils your decency.

[anthony]

I'll contest this.

Death, decay, and degeneration is as inherent to sex as creative life itself. I think it requires an active blindness to see otherwise. Setting aside the reality of the large number of extant species achieve self-annihilation in copulation, the conditions of men and women speak suffice in and of themselves:

When a woman lies in your bed, she presents herself on a sacrificial altar. If she is a virgin, her blood will soil the sheets. If a child is brought from the act, her body will forever bare those marks and scars (more, we are not remotely far from a time when it would not have been unlikely for her to pass in pregnancy). 

And what of the spiritual aspects of allowing one's body to be violated? What of the act of doing such to one you love? What of claiming her as your own, and binding her potential and axis alongside your own? In claiming her, you must also kill her - if only slightly. If the significance of this is not appreciated, if the violation is not perceived - then sex is reduced to an inherent mundanity. That is the true brutalization inflicted on sex, not 'filth' but inhibition of the formation of the sacred in denial of the sacrifice. This is the ethos of our age, of modern hookup culture, cheap LARPed BDSM, theatrical performative sex. 

I am someone who takes pleasure in the violation of taboo and depravity. But, the desire is not to be filthy or to cheapen sex. Such things are empty in and of themselves. Instead, I see the well of dark spiritual potential that lying between Thanatos and Eros, where the desires of depravity coil and wind themselves about the desires of love. It is the place where the unthinkable is rendered tactile, where all opposites freely intermingle. Picture: She smiles softly as she hands you a torched knife and asks you to sear your name into her soft smooth flesh. Letter by wretched letter. You might deny her that. You might recoil in horror at the mere suggestion. Or you might push past, obliging and leaning deeper into the black river.  It runs towards death --- that is surely a real price paid --- yet you will come to know each other in an unspeakable intimacy. That is the boon, even as it soils your decency.

Is there even a problem with the low sex discussed by Lawrence in the excerpt above to you? I understand your aversion to spiritually neutered sexuality. That leads to millennial gaming night polycule hell, possibly the most revolting thing to ever happen to sex. But I think at the same time you're being too charitable to the people Lawrence is describing, the white trash. Your desire might not be cheap filth. But I don't think you speak for everyone. Lawrence isn't writing about you. He's writing about people watching the front page of pornhub.

[Datacop]

As for actual frequent tranny porn consumers - they break down into three classes:

1.) Closet trannies/repressors who utilize the porn to self insert. This happens with conventional live-action porn, but it is more common with doujinshi and other animated/illustrated content. They favor images that represent what they wish they looked like - "I wish I was her."

2.) The chaser: A class of beta males who idolize trannies as more 'relatable' than normal women. "She likes to fuck and will play dark souls with me!". The tranny becomes their fantasy GF, and tendency is somewhat similar to how a certain class of men idolize tomboy-ish girls. This class of men favor extremely passable trannies that are indistinguishable from women in looks. They really just desire something with the looks of a woman... but the spirit of a man.

3.) Predatory alpha bisexuals, who get off on the idea of dominating a boy who has feminized themselves and making her his bitch. For them... it is all about power and degradation. They generally have the filthiest tastes: They prefer trannies that look more overtly boyish, or at least on the femboy spectrum. They perceive anal sex as inherently degrading, and find such an act of dominance thrilling. This is common in a lot of middle eastern men.

I completely disagree at face with the idea that there's a typology to tranny porn consumption, or any degenerate pornography for that matter. There is no such thing as a person who will be innately attracted to troons because they "get off on the idea of dominating a boy", there are only those who jerk off so much that they become engrossed by increasingly disgusting pornography to get off and those who don't. The "closet tranny", the "chaser", the "predatory alpha bisexuals", none of them exist. It is all simply different flavors of cope for needing to smash your dick with a proverbial rock to reach ejaculation. Guest had it right in evoking Pleasure Island: getting into increasingly degenerate forms of pornography is not an expression of any inborn desire, but just an attempt to chase the high of self-pleasure. The only truly #keyedfetisch is of course lolicon.

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Rivelino the Artist was right when he said tattooed women were only a step away from trannies and gay porn because getting tattooed whores are a move away from real, genuine sex and a gesture towards the ugly and fetishistic. The slippery slope of masturbation is that you fall so in love with beating your cock that you want to destroy it with the disgusting. This shouldn't even be an issue now that Lucifel can theoretically make computer-generated Asuka goonfuel in perpetuity, but some men just want to see the world burn.

[Guest]

i have seen recently the trend of attacking men who aren't attracted to ugly,old or fat women as coomers or porn addicts,that's why i always suspicious of Women who are against porn,because they always attack it for the wrong reasons. https://twitter.com/KhalkeionGenos/statu...7834360834

[anthony]

i have seen recently the trend of attacking men who aren't attracted to ugly,old or fat women as coomers or porn addicts,that's why i always suspicious of Women who are against porn,because they always attack it for the wrong reasons. https://twitter.com/KhalkeionGenos/statu...7834360834

I think this goes for pretty much all moral issues on the internet. Very few people are strong enough in character to have a coherent issue with anything. It's all just animals throwing rocks. That goes for the brown ass-obsessive telling you homosexuality is wrong as much as the "reformed" (but unrepentant) whore telling you porn is evil. Show me a respectable person making a real moral claim. I don't think there are any on twitter.

[casual rapist]

Pornography of whites is an insult, the biggest we've ever suffered, and will be made a capital crime applied retroactively.  And under this nuremberg regime, the kikes so guilty will be executed in an ostentatious manner on the national mall.  They've already sealed their fate.  Now we bring justice.

[Mladorossi88]

Porn is inherently Longhouse. I can't even count the amount of times I've asked some bitch for sex or nudes just for her to reply something to the effect of "I just don't feel like it right now, go watch porn or something." I don't want porn you stupid fucking whore I want RAPE.

[Illustrious]

Porn is inherently Longhouse. I can't even count the amount of times I've asked some bitch for sex or nudes just for her to reply something to the effect of "I just don't feel like it right now, go watch porn or something." I don't want porn you stupid fucking whore I want RAPE.

This is very typical of modern video game debates about the lack or inclusion of sexy women in games. Usually one guy expresses a desire to see a female in gaming that doesn't look straight up from a freak circus, and sjw types will pile on the original post by telling the poster to "watch porn if you want to coom". It's really perverse and judaic to steer men into a habit of watching women being degraded beyond belief when they simply want to satisfy the mere need to see some beauty around them.

[Guest]

"Porn stars" are ugly and mid. Not even ronald dahl-ing or anything. Porn of women with natural freckles or blue/green eyes is thankfully rare. It is really easy to whiten the skin of a latina. Bottle blondes and redheads. Weird fake tits or ugly cellulite obesity tits. They try to pass norwood whores off as teens. Normgroids have no taste.

Lust after women that are actually of your caliber. Expose yourself to pictures of actually beautiful women. There are normie women with attractive but rare physical qualities that I have never seen in any porn actresses. Normie photos off endchan /rapport/ or 4chan /s/ curbstomp le epic "famous" porn whores like aella or sasha grey.

[calico]

Porn isn't that bad for you if you don't over do it. A few good rules of thumb:

1. If there's more penises than women, don't watch it.
2. If you would feel humiliated if your peers knew you viewed it, don't.
3. If it's interfering with your sex life, lay off until it improves.
4. You shouldn't be masturbating everyday. Or sacrificing sleep to masturbate.
5. If you're concerned with the content of what you've been viewing just watch Maxim fashion shows for a few weeks. Your brain will wire itself back.

It's that easy.

Nofap is clearly a fetish.

[Guest]

Nofap is clearly a fetish.

But semen retention isn't. It should naturally come to be.

Semen is generally just an unpleasant excretion, like mucus. Masturbating is like smearing mucus on your hands.

[Lutras]

Okay so basically 3DPD is le bad and 2D is le good only if it is made by someone jap guy and isnt faggy or longhouse

[Guest]

Christians oppose porn because they want an endemic “moral” problem because that suits their business model. The solution to pornography is a healthier population having more sex, not diseased monsters weepingly & smugly renouncing their flesh. The solution is even more “sinful” than the problem.

[Milk]

Men only watch porn when society is longhoused.

Attacks on porn (...) adhere to the longhouse.

These two sentences directly contradict each other. Explain to me as if I were retarded why the criticism of porn (one of the elements of the longhouse society) would be tantamount to following the practices of such society.

Attacking something within a system still sort of supports the system containing it. If I were to attack the practice of solitary confinement within the prison system, I would still be tacitly supporting the prison system as a whole, despite criticizing an element of it.